General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wolfala on November 24, 2015, 04:09:31 AM
Title: Turkey today
Post by: Wolfala on November 24, 2015, 04:09:31 AM
Seriously, did they really need to give Russia an excuse to move against NATO? This is only going to further inflame anti Western sentiment even more. Let's just hope Russia and NATO still remember how to exercise restraint.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: ghi on November 24, 2015, 04:28:24 AM
WW3? Russia could respond,Turkey invokes Nato article 5, and the turns the world in termonuclear furnace. Maybe the prophecies are right. They aren't happy to see the Russians bombing their offsprings.
"Get Out Of Your Trucks And Run Away": US Gives ISIS 45 Minute Warning On Oil Tanker Strikes http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-23/get-out-your-trucks-and-run-away-us-gives-isis-45-minute-warning-oil-tanker-strikes
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 24, 2015, 07:55:35 AM
Reports said they gave them 10 warnings in 5 minutes to get out of their airspace. Huh strange, what were they doing? Puttin going to demolish all of the middle East now.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: Chris79 on November 24, 2015, 08:29:01 AM
"Caught On Tape: Syrian Rebels Destroy Russian Helicopter With US-Supplied Anti-Tank Missile" Earlier today, just hours after Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 warplane near the border with Syria, the FSA (more specifically Alwiya al-Ashar) released footage of fighters celebrating over the body of a dead Russian pilot.
The group would later claim to have executed both pilots after they ejected from the plane and attempted to parachute to safety.
In a second serious escalation, another FSA-aligned group claimed to have shot down a Russian search and rescue helicopter.
Reports said they gave them 10 warnings in 5 minutes to get out of their airspace. Huh strange, what were they doing? Puttin going to demolish all of the middle East now.
one fact i read is the plane was shot down in syria. oops. p.s. only another U.S. cluster flub could make puttin look like a hero.
p.s. x2 how come the syria regime is the only ones who dont scream aloou akbeer?
i watch this over the weekend. i think we should share it with more in the west. i like the part where people dance in scant clothing and smoke cigarettes with beer and vodka. :rock http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/inside-assads-syria/
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: Mar on November 24, 2015, 01:07:07 PM
Zack rules. :old:
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: ghi on November 24, 2015, 01:51:01 PM
Reports said they gave them 10 warnings in 5 minutes to get out of their airspace. Huh strange, what were they doing? Puttin going to demolish all of the middle East now.
Depends who's reports are you reading: during Cold war I knew the communists are lying, I used to listen western radio Voice of America, Free Europe filter both sides of the story through my judgment before pulling a conclusion. Same today, I read RT,CNN, Euronews, they are all jamming the truth, brainwashing, manipulate public oppinion, have to use same filter. Imo, the best source of uncensored raw news I find this days on few conspiracy sites but have to dig in a pile of dirt.
GLP imp the best, 3000-4000 users 24/7 very active ,sharing information quick, from all over the world and differret points of view: they have a 500 pages thread about this matter already.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/
http://www.zerohedge.com/
http://beforeitsnews.com/
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: zack1234 on November 24, 2015, 02:09:50 PM
So Turkey hates the only middle easterner people fighting IS the KURDS
And the Russians are supporting those who are are fighting IS.
Those damn Russians fighting IS how dare they!
Come on pitchfork brigade where are you?
Russia is fighting the sworn enemies of Democracy!
How dare they!
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: eagl on November 24, 2015, 03:14:04 PM
Here's the Turkish screenshot showing one of the border crossings. Obviously can't verify it is authentic or accurate but it appears to be a screen capture from a common operating picture that you'd typically see in an air defense command post.
I would not be surprised if it is claimed that the little nub of Turkish airspace that was repeatedly crossed is "disputed", but the national boundaries are often determined by natural terrain features so maybe the Russians just set up a bad place to orbit or their maps didn't have quite enough detail to show that they were crossing the border in their orbit.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: zack1234 on November 24, 2015, 03:17:33 PM
When are we invading Russia?
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: Zimme83 on November 24, 2015, 03:30:49 PM
Here's the Turkish screenshot showing one of the border crossings. Obviously can't verify it is authentic or accurate but it appears to be a screen capture from a common operating picture that you'd typically see in an air defense command post.
I would not be surprised if it is claimed that the little nub of Turkish airspace that was repeatedly crossed is "disputed", but the national boundaries are often determined by natural terrain features so maybe the Russians just set up a bad place to orbit or their maps didn't have quite enough detail to show that they were crossing the border in their orbit.
Sorry; <-- thinking loud in my poor English after some Labatt Blues, :cheers:; 1km or 100km; Turkey wouldn't have done this without green light from Washington;
.... and Putin knows, I remember this video interview;
Yes, Assad is crazy dictator killing his people, but for you Americans does he worth a war vs China, Russia? Putin is crazy also standing for Assad, but he knows he is next on the menu after Syria and Iran;
After US navy missile test from California, Russians tested 2x Bulava last week;
... creepy fun NUKE MAP: I checked my chances, http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ POOF! :banana:
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: eagl on November 24, 2015, 07:03:16 PM
Interesting tidbit not very widely reported, a number of the cruise missiles Russia fired at Syria crashed in Iran. We usually have one out a hundred or so go crazy and end up in Iran which of course makes them very upset, but apparently this was a lot more than just one according to the very brief blurb I found on aviation week.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: ghi on November 24, 2015, 07:22:40 PM
"Naomi Campbell’s House is An Homage to The Illuminati’s Eye of Horus" .. It’s shaped like the Egyptian Eye of Horus on a location known as Cleopatra Island in Turkey’s Gulf of Gökova.
Eye of Providence (or the all-seeing eye of God) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence
"Turkey will disappear from the face of the earth as a state - Prophecy Elder Paisios from Greece"
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: pipz on November 24, 2015, 09:24:53 PM
I will be safe at my summer home in Camden city New Jersey! I built a crude bunker made of 55 gal drums I buried in the sand. I also have a 6 month supply of processed cheese and back bacon. :old:
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: zack1234 on November 24, 2015, 11:56:13 PM
So the End is Nigh again this week :old:
Are we invading on Monday then?
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: Nilsen on November 25, 2015, 02:17:49 AM
10 warnings in 5 minutes. That little spot of turkish land that the jet flew over isnt big. Could it even have been over it for as long as 5 mins unless it has some sort of secret hover mode ? It cant have been flying very fast and the turks must have sent a warning within the first second of the border crossing and shot it down just before it left their airspace.
I dunno. Stupid and dangerous action by both sides.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: zack1234 on November 25, 2015, 02:37:36 AM
It's Stalins fault :old:
I think we should launch now!!!!!!!!
I am standing on a copy Duck shooters weekly so I am protected from fallout and dandruff :old:
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: 100Coogn on November 25, 2015, 02:44:39 AM
10 warnings in 5 minutes. That little spot of turkish land that the jet flew over isnt big. Could it even have been over it for as long as 5 mins unless it has some sort of secret hover mode ? It cant have been flying very fast and the turks must have sent a warning within the first second of the border crossing and shot it down just before it left their airspace.
I dunno. Stupid and dangerous action by both sides.
The news says it was only over Turkey for about 17 seconds.
Coogan
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: ghi on November 25, 2015, 06:43:57 AM
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: Bodhi on November 25, 2015, 11:13:58 AM
The reality is that the Russians have been violating Turkish Airspace on numerous occasions for the past several weeks. They also were targeting Turkish Aircraft. Everyone knows if the roles were reversed, the Russians would have acted much sooner. The Turks did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: zack1234 on November 25, 2015, 11:17:54 AM
Should we not be firing rockets at IS?
And when they are destroyed carry on with the new Cold War?
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: Nilsen on November 25, 2015, 11:18:35 AM
The news says it was only over Turkey for about 17 seconds.
Coogan
Yup I see that now. Only saw the 5 minutes of warning story. 17 seconds sounds more likely. Makes even less sense to shoot down a plane after its 17 seconds inside their airspace and why warn them for 5 minutes? Should be no need to warn the russian plane as long as its outside their airspace.
If a russian jet crossed our airspace, any northern european airspace or even the US airspace for 17 seconds I doubt very much it would be shot down.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: Nilsen on November 25, 2015, 11:19:35 AM
The reality is that the Russians have been violating Turkish Airspace on numerous occasions for the past several weeks. They also were targeting Turkish Aircraft. Everyone knows if the roles were reversed, the Russians would have acted much sooner. The Turks did nothing wrong.
Maybe not legaly wrong, but how smart is it?
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: WaffenVW on November 25, 2015, 11:59:41 AM
It is SOP to warn and/or intercept foreign military aircraft that are approaching or operating near the border of your airspace.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: WaffenVW on November 25, 2015, 12:03:49 PM
And it is not the first time the Russians have provoked the Turks. It's like they're begging for it.
Makes even less sense to shoot down a plane after its 17 seconds inside their airspace and why warn them for 5 minutes?
How this single Russian Su-24's sortie ended cannot be isolated from the overall situation. They had already violated Turkish airspace several times before. Then there are the reports of acquiring radar locks to Turkish military aircraft. There have be rather clear acts of deliberate provocation.
Should be no need to warn the russian plane as long as its outside their airspace.
If a russian jet crossed our airspace, any northern european airspace or even the US airspace for 17 seconds I doubt very much it would be shot down.
Russians are flying combat sorties in the region. The situation is totally different compared to more "routine" flights outside conflict zones. Russian general lack of care and poor navigation is far more tolerable when they aren't dropping live bombs very near your boarder.
(A routine QRA-sorties are sufficient in more routine cases when the 'less developed' party just isn't 'getting it' or does deliberate provocations without bombs: http://theaviationist.com/2014/09/01/finland-steps-up-air-defense-following-airspace-incursions-by-russian-planes/ (http://theaviationist.com/2014/09/01/finland-steps-up-air-defense-following-airspace-incursions-by-russian-planes/)).
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: Russian on November 25, 2015, 07:07:23 PM
Another delusional beyond belief yellow journalism. Where did they discover Russian flown Mig-29 in Syria?
Maybe Turks forgot to read FIH....or do not want to be part of ICAO anymore.
(http://i.imgur.com/r7bGccR.jpg)
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: WaffenVW on November 25, 2015, 08:43:25 PM
ICAO is a civilian aviation organization. There are no hard 'rules' or 'international laws' that apply to a situation like this. At least now the Russians get a taste of how is has been like flying near their borders for the last 80 years or so.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: zack1234 on November 25, 2015, 09:28:16 PM
So let me get this straight?
Russia had a passenger plane brought down by IS in the Middle East because it was bombing IS?
The fighter plane the Turks shot down was killing IS scum?
The Turkish airforce is doing what to destroy IS?!!!!!
I don't remember the Turkish army helping the only Arabs who are attacking IS the Kurds.
Every man and his dog know Turkey is one fart away from being a Funo mentalist regime.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: WaffenVW on November 25, 2015, 10:07:43 PM
The Russian fighter-bomber was bombing Turkmen rebels in Syria close to the Turkish border. Syrian ethnic Turks whom Turkey apparently is trying to help/protect.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: zack1234 on November 25, 2015, 10:23:43 PM
Off course they are :rofl
So Turkey is doing what to defeat OUR enemies?
The nasty Russian commie red pinkos ARE destroying third world floor kissing fundos and Turkey,Saudi Arabia and PakiIS are doing what to OUR enemies....... Absolutely Jack!
Those Turkmen are fundos!
Who would you rather have a Russian or a floor kissing Fundo?
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: WaffenVW on November 25, 2015, 11:23:44 PM
I have no idea what you just said.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: eagl on November 26, 2015, 01:46:50 AM
zack has been posting stoned for a while now. ignore list fixes that right up.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: Vulcan on November 26, 2015, 04:16:05 AM
I choked a turkey today, twice even...
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: ghi on November 26, 2015, 10:16:57 AM
From Russian media; I believe they strafed this resuping m3s, lol but won't admit it yet;
"Turkish humanitarian convoy bombed on Syrian border, Turkish media - See more at: http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/26-11-2015/132716-turkish_humanitarian_convoy-0/#sthash.a5iC03Tz.dpuf"
Mystery over who bombed Turkish convoy allegedly carrying weapons to militants in Syria Published time: 26 Nov, 2015 12:44 Edited time: 26 Nov, 2015 12:46
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: zack1234 on November 27, 2015, 01:19:34 AM
Have you got any links for a Elton John video wearing a dress?
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: Slade on November 27, 2015, 10:49:54 AM
Quote
When are we invading Russia?
Two weeks.
BTW, the Russian plane entered Turkish airspace to spread Putin's new policy of unconditional love, compassion and altruism. That flight (and the others before it where they entered Turkish space) had nothing to do with posturing and intimidation.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: MickDono on November 27, 2015, 11:46:29 AM
Have you got any links for a Elton John video wearing a dress?
:banana:
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: zack1234 on November 27, 2015, 12:49:17 PM
Saville!
Your next :old:
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: ghi on November 27, 2015, 06:18:13 PM
"The US has supplied some 480 B61 thermonuclear bombs to five so-called “non-nuclear states”, including Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey. Casually disregarded by the Vienna based UN Nuclear Watchdog (IAEA), the US has actively contributed to the proliferation of nuclear weapons in Western Europe. As part of this European stockpiling, Turkey, which is a partner of the US-led coalition against Iran along with Israel, possesses some 90 thermonuclear B61 bunker buster bombs at the Incirlik nuclear air base. (National Resources Defense Council, Nuclear Weapons in Europe , February 2005)"
Some months ago it became known that the German Intelligence Service (Bundesnachrichtendienst - BND) was spying on Turkey. Turkey's political leadership was none too happy. Yet the BND has good reasons to keep a watchful eye on Ankara. It is not only the crises in Iraq and Syria, drug-smuggling, people-trafficking and the activities of the PKK that make Turkey a legitimate target for German intelligence. For quite some time, evidence is mounting that Ankara is trying to acquire nuclear weapons..."
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: CptTrips on November 28, 2015, 12:56:32 AM
I may not know all the details, but on the face of it, it seems like a silly over-reaction on the part of Turkey. It seems there would be a series of escalated steps before that level of force like fly-by or lighting up with targeting radar.
-Wab
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: zack1234 on November 28, 2015, 02:18:53 AM
I think Britain is to blame for US giving these regimes nukes :old:
There is a article in The Times that implicates British influence in China was to blame for the Turkey incident.
Title: Re: Turkey today
Post by: zack1234 on November 28, 2015, 12:28:18 PM
So the it comes out then Turkey believes we should discuss a deal with IS and the Russians are the bad guys :rofl