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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: MADe on November 26, 2015, 08:22:48 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR2F677wYm0
my pops was a Wild Weasel, a weo in the F model.
The video has mucho live gun camera and other real time shots. I had no idea what a pivotal plane the thud was. Pivotal in aircraft design, weapons packages, toughness and speed.
wow!
I never really knew what my pops did and how much risk he and his fellows took. The weasels would deliberately hunt out and draw SAM fire in order to locate their launch sites, then they killed them.
What are service peeps do to protect our shores is unbelievable. I salute all who have served, in what ever capacity you have served. TY
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thanks for the video. :salute something to watch while i eat my pie and drink a coke. :cheers:
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:aok
http://burrusspta.org/thud.html
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I remember the 116th TFW had the last G models back in the early 80's. On a good hot day they would use most of the runway at Dobbins AFB on takeoff. They would fly low level all over north Georgia.A pilot told me once that below "200 knots, the 105 takes on the aerodynamic characteristics of a toolbox". Miss those planes.
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Unique aircraft but used wrong. They say history repeats itself. One third of all B-17s were shot down. One third of all F-105s were shot down.
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Unique aircraft but used wrong. They say history repeats itself. One third of all B-17s were shot down. One third of all F-105s were shot down.
The F-105 was used as a tactical and strategic bomber as well as a Wild Weasel... In what other ways were they supposed to use it?
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The Thud would make an awesome DCS aircraft. Just saying.
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The Thud would make an awesome DCS aircraft. Just saying.
It has been in flight sims before.... In Wings Over Vietnam....
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d7/10/d6/d710d6548b22a39ad96ca43729d5d885.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6f/65/71/6f65712170daf2b3c22e04317d7db451.jpg)
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Some F-105 photos....
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11255199_10205129243530783_3936064262408925616_n.jpg?oh=c41a435dcf3b953b418057afc2370326&oe=56FACDF6)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12308374_10153217352771074_8201920095237212413_n.jpg?oh=03038dc63a323f2f6ab3dfc3349cfb29&oe=56F2F639)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/t31.0-8/12239148_10153217352721074_6227999882799680519_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/t31.0-8/12091219_942927389107115_6378323524294157783_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/12120117_940471162686071_3267427000205126480_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/t31.0-8/11231258_10203929708277181_4160622149142720198_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/12238159_798641126910937_7748341349878466113_o.jpg)
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The F-105 was used as a tactical and strategic bomber as well as a Wild Weasel... In what other ways were they supposed to use it?
Probably the answer to this is more political than military. The losses sustained by the 105 pilots should have been a national scandal.
Still...kewlest jet plane ever made, except maybe for the F-100....
- oldman
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Probably the answer to this is more political than military. The losses sustained by the 105 pilots should have been a national scandal.
Still...kewlest jet plane ever made, except maybe for the F-100....
- oldman
Yeah, had targets included airfields and SAM storage warehouses and docks......
Most folks don't realize that F-105s shot down a great many more MiGs than the much ballyhooed "Last of the Gunfighters" F-8 Crusaders. Good Navy propaganda there... :D
Thuds shot down 24.5 MiG-17s with guns and another 3 with Sidewinders. Crusaders may have gotten 2 with guns, and 17 with missiles.
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Yeah, had targets included airfields and SAM storage warehouses and docks......
Most folks don't realize that F-105s shot down a great many more MiGs than the much ballyhooed "Last of the Gunfighters" F-8 Crusaders. Good Navy propaganda there... :D
Thuds shot down 24.5 MiG-17s with guns and another 3 with Sidewinders. Crusaders may have gotten 2 with guns, and 17 with missiles.
That is hilarious statistc. I did not know that.
The gun Fighter got 2, the fat Thud 24 with guns .... :rofl
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In all fairness, their are lots of factors that contributed to the F-105 getting more kills than the F-8.
Not disagreeing with the overall numbers, just saying that comparing the two aircrafts kills records arent as easy as just looking at the tallys.
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Unique aircraft but used wrong. They say history repeats itself. One third of all B-17s were shot down. One third of all F-105s were shot down.
I take it you did not watch the video. It contradicts your statement.
It was a pivotal aircraft in supersonic combat aircraft design and electronic warfare packages. Using combat losses as a judgement is just wrong.
Without the B-17's, the nazi's would have won the war, I have no doubts about this, they destroyed germany's war machine construction and materials production.
The thud dominated the skies over Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand. Killed migs with ease, they just pulled away from migs on their 6. During the Vietnam "WAR", there was no other aircraft available that could cover as many tasks as the THUD. Considering that there was only at most 700 and change manufactured and deployed..........
I am biased of course. My pops earned 2 silver stars and a distinguished flying cross in that war, him and the rest of the whole military effort are heros in my book.
It may have been a political war but our great service persons do not make that call, they serve! To the benefit of this great nation.
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My pops earned 2 silver stars and a distinguished flying cross in that war, him and the rest of the whole military effort are heros in my book.
Then you should be very proud. What did he do?
- oldman (and you should read Jack Broughton's "Thud Ridge.") (If you haven't already.)
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Then you should be very proud. What did he do?
- oldman (and you should read Jack Broughton's "Thud Ridge.") (If you haven't already.)
He was a WEO in the F model, a " Wild Weasel". He and his pilot drew sam fire so they could be taken out. I was only 6 or 7 years old, broken home, I did not know much till way later in life......................... .....war takes more than lives, it can destroy families as well.
But he was a HERO! an old school hero!
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<S> to your Pops, MADe.
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F105s' one of the most beautiful and deadly aircrafts of all time.
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I liked the documentary. Thanks for posting the link.
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I liked the documentary. Thanks for posting the link.
your welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed.
:salute
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KTe4lHLlcs
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Another good book on the subject:
Ed Rasimus
When Thunder Rolled: An F-105 Pilot Over North Vietnam - ISBN 978-0-89141-854-2 - Presidio Press (September 28, 2004) (Hardcover edition, January 2003, Smithsonian Institution Press)
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Billy Sparks, Nose Gunner Extrordinaire and Weasel legend with 355th, wrote Takhli Tales just before he passed away in 2013. I highly recommend it.
He gave me permission to use several of his stories in my book "Our Might Always - History of the 355th FG WWII" as a lead in to Volume II which will pick up in Vietnam.
The 355th TFW dropped 200,000 tons of bombs up north - 1/3 of all the bombs dropped by all the B-17s for all time. As noted above, nobody at Republic or USAF ever envisioned a Mach 1 dash speed Fighter carrying a nuc internally to hit Russia would ever serve as it did - but there was no other a/c in that day and age that could have survived better or performed better over Hanoi.
Widewing posted a "RU" bird above which is 357TFS/355TFW bird out of Takhli and "301" carried one of the 355's two MoH awards -- Maj Leo Thorsness.
The guys at Takhli figured out what needed to be done - and BEGGED to be unleashed on the rice paddy dams and got shut down by Administration - had they been allowed to hit this critical target, North Vietnam would have starved in a very short time
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"I'm a Thud pilot".....
http://www.fighterpilotuniversity.com/music-and-theater/songs/i-m-a-thud-pilot/ (http://www.fighterpilotuniversity.com/music-and-theater/songs/i-m-a-thud-pilot/)
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"I'm a Thud pilot".....
http://www.fighterpilotuniversity.com/music-and-theater/songs/i-m-a-thud-pilot/ (http://www.fighterpilotuniversity.com/music-and-theater/songs/i-m-a-thud-pilot/)
that's freaking great!
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Poor F105 and the A4.......both saddled with bombs when they are far better pure fighters than most people realize.
They really never got a chance to prove themselves in pure fighter mode because they did so many other things so well.
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My true love is the F-4 Phantom, but the F-105 holds a place in my heart, too. Amazing aircraft in performance and looks. Just not a turn fighter, even compared to the F-4 Phantom.
Wings Over Vietnam and moreso its successor, Strike Fighters 2 Vietnam are the way to go to enjoy this fighter in a combat flight sim. I love dogfighting MiG-17s in this brick :)
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Poor F105 and the A4.......both saddled with bombs when they are far better pure fighters than most people realize.
They really never got a chance to prove themselves in pure fighter mode because they did so many other things so well.
The A4 was too slow and did not have enough thrust to be a real A2A Fighter. Nasty little bugger in a knife fight if anyone is silly enough to get slow around it.
It got 2 kills with the Israeli airforce - one with cannons, aiming relative to the boresight like we do in AH because it was not equipped with an A2A sight. The second, by emptying two rocket hives into the tail of a mig 17. These were by the same pilot in one engagement by the way.
A4 is one of the greatest planes in aviation history. An amazing example of what a minimalistic design can achieve - the exact opposite of the bloated over design of a certain modern strike Fighter.
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Is there anywhere that I can get either "wings over Vietnam or Strike fighters 2 -Vietnam" without buying it or getting some type of virus trying to download it?
I'm intrigued...I must play it :aok
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Is there anywhere that I can get either "wings over Vietnam or Strike fighters 2 -Vietnam" without buying it or getting some type of virus trying to download it?
I'm intrigued...I must play it :aok
If you must play it, you should buy it. Still being actively sold by the developer, though not officially supported on newer operating systems. The latest nVidia drivers break SF2 series game graphics (no problem on my AMD).
You can get the F-105 in either SF2:Vietnam or SF2:Europe here: https://store.thirdwire.com/store.htm
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The Thud with her Century Series siblings in SF2:
(https://1cqnuq.bl3302.livefilestore.com/y3pjgOqty0HGYQDDdh2IGuwT7I4E_z5HDh64xcbnQsFSpPq8VJtKSWzgv7I8ykhUHyhFjQ90-Npyg3z9M_ZSNxx1O98L8NaPtUcBEMRrS6aFa1A0yku3GspSjO7Yr7gzIDHdA83BNjNWSBAih55mHvtbQ/CenturySeries.jpg?psid=1)
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Let me try this giving a different link to the SF2 century series screenshot:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img194/6943/img00007r.jpg)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdXh5Z-Vqao
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEtHmGcl6Y
getting back on topic.
I guess maybe I'm hoping to see my pops in 1 of these docs.