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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Hungry on February 17, 2016, 12:18:23 PM
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Always been curious about this in AH, in your opinion do big graphic cards and fast CPU'S help you fight? I don't play the first person multiplayer shooters like a Battlefield 3 or 4 for example anymore but I always thought it made a huge difference there especially with head shots and seeing the target.
I use an AMD Phenom 2 550 Black Edition all fours cores unlocked and oc'd to 3.5, 8 gig ram and a GTX570 vid card on a win 7 machine, most eye candy turned down and I get a solid 60 frames. But what makes me wonder are two things, my gunnery is worse than awful, just cant see the enemy plane the way I'd like and I think I read in here somewhere someone saying from 10-15k or 15-20k they can see GVS? I see the ground I don't see GV's until I'm about 3-4 k
Thanks in advance for any feedback, I've had the above machine for quite awhile and thinking of doing a major overhaul, but the fact is its a very serviceable machine especially since I added the Samsung Evo SSD
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Personally, my feeling is the single most important thing for practical gunnery is to get your system running at steady 60 fps. More machine just means you can have more stuff turned on while doing that.
As far as being able to see stuff far away, it's a combination of eyesight and monitor size. I used to play on a 22" that died, and I switched over to a 27", same resolution. The difference was night and day. I went from needing a seeing eye wingman in FSO to sometimes seeing things first out of the squad.
Edit: Just thought of one other thing- I think peripherals also gain you quite a bit. If I ruled the world, the game would ship with a head tracking system, HOTAS and pedals, as I feel those three things massively enhance the game. Not that there aren't people who can do more with less, I know a few guys that do really well with mouse and keyboard. I am not one of them though. ;)
Wiley.
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Steady FPS is nice and so is a bigger monitor. I could add an accurate joystick to that list.
However a steady Internet connection for both you and your opponent is still the most important factor. You can learn to deal with a spiking stick and you can learn to aim using maximized zoom on a tiny laptop screen but there's no way you could estimate the next warp caused by a poor connection.
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Ping and steady connection. In my opinion.
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Ping and steady connection. In my opinion.
That would be the most important.
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Thanks for checking in, ping has always been pretty good and with the way I have the game setup I get pretty darn steady frame rates
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I am kind of blind at short distances. hard for me to see planes and forget about gv's I cant see them at all. my option was to get a bigger monitor and zoom in. but if the con is down in the trees or the water then forget it I cant see him at all.
my gunnery is bad due to me emptying the guns trying to get to the next zillion bullets fired achievement. but look at your joystick, if you are having trouble chasing the con because your plane jumps all over the place then check your joystick settings.
semp
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Stick, and stick settings are more important than most think, over-correction when shooting against a moving target,trim on hat/wheel.
TrackIR improve SA for many players (but not all).
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Good points all round - I've played the game at a steady 45 ping, and the 80 or so ping I have now, 75 during late night, 80 the rest of the time - there is a difference for sure, especially between say 50 and 200 IMO, but you can adjust for it so long as it is a constant/steady ping, which IMO is more important than a "low number", but the low number does help. It sure does in FPS games, big time. One thing to be noted - HT has said many times ping has NO bearing on the collision model, and this is 100% verifiable in game as well IMO.
Save makes good points too - accuracy in shooting is the bottom line in killing IMO - all the SA, ACM, etc, to line up a shot, is worthless if you can't MAKE that shot. A good, as in really good high quality stick, and having it set up with curves which are comfortable for your style is essential. A good sight is too, although I just use the death dot for 99 percent of my shooting in game. SA is important for staying alive IMO more than getting kills, but it works both ways, you can't get kills if you're dead, so I guess it's of equal import in some respects. Being very fast with your thumb hat, or using TiR - I use a combination of both - and constantly, as in every few seconds even when engaged and close to a shooting solution, checking behind you and around you defines good SA IMO.
One other thing which helps me is arm position. Many have their sticks mounted to HOTAS chairs/desks and whatnot, but I find having my elbow/forearm planted on my gaming desk surface really helps me with steady aiming and shots, as opposed to my elbow and arm floating in the air. YMMV, this is very subjective, but most who have tried it out in my experience stick with it, I have my arm contacting my desk from about 2 inches forward of my elbow most of the time.
I think any decent PC with a good vid card and CPU will work well in this game, and that the stick is of more importance (rudders too) in terms of actually getting kills hardware wise.
One last thing - 144hz monitors present a much clearer and..."faster" for lack of a better descriptive word gaming experience, in all games, not just Ah, but I certainly notice the effect here. TA or IPS, I've tried both, and having 144hz over 60hz/typical rates does make a difference - how it directly translates to "getting kills" is hard to qualify, but ask anyone here who has moved to a 144hz dedicated gaming LCD, and in every case they say it has made a large improvement in their overall experience. Monitor = PC too, so I would include this as well.
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I don't know about that last part. I still get significant input lag with the Gsync systems. Maybe you're not using Gsync, but for me it's a loser.
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Semp and Save
Thanks I have an X52 Saitek setup and although I never used to I am now scaling especially the first 4 bands (nearest the center of the stick position?), sometimes I admit I get excited and practically pop the dot o death from top to bottom of the enemy plan I used to jump right over it, no smooth fine middle point, I'll keep working on it through scaling
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Save makes good points too - accuracy in shooting is the bottom line in killing IMO - all the SA, ACM, etc, to line up a shot, is worthless if you can't MAKE that shot.
Agreed 100% I've watched quite a few AH you tube vids, Skyr had a shot, plane and simple he was highly accurate, never thought his flying was spectacular but he did have a great shot.
Thanks
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Both of my "good" monitors are Gsync, my Acer 4k and Asus 1440 Swift - I don't use Gsync in AH, so I'm not sure if it would have a negative effect or not. I do know that 60hz vs 144hz or 120+ is a no brainer in terms of gaming performance/quality.
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lets assume your rig is more than capable of running the software.
lets assume you have a quality connection to game server. ie 60ms +/-, 10GB bandwidth....
No, your rig will not make you a killer. Practice and time in is what makes you a killer. As in all things, some are natural born, most need practice.
:salute
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Being able to run the game at a good (stable and high) frame rate, at a good resolution like 1920X1080 absolutely will help you in this game. If you have things like trackIR, pedals, HOTAS stick, those will help you too.
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Stick, and stick settings are more important than most think, over-correction when shooting against a moving target,trim on hat/wheel.
TrackIR improve SA for many players (but not all).
Trim?
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Being able to run the game at a good (stable and high) frame rate, at a good resolution like 1920X1080 absolutely will help you in this game. If you have things like trackIR, pedals, HOTAS stick, those will help you too.
Providing the basics have been covered, stick, ping, decent machine, I'm starting to think the "Visuals" do make a difference, if you cant see it well you'll never hit it. looking into a better monitor,
PS son confirmed his 27"144hz monitor makes a world of difference in the visuals, seeing targets and general smoothness of the game he's playing
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I think it all comes down to experience. You can put a lot of money into a system and still get skunked on kills. You certainly want to get at least 60 fps, but of course (as Gman said) higher is even better as long as your monitor supports higher. Even if your system reports 144fps, if your monitor does not support 144Hz then the extra frames are not helping you.
I prefer larger monitors and higher resolutions, but of course if a 4k monitor comes along at 144Hz then I will jump on it immediately. It is my opinion that consistent, smooth frame rates are more important than whatever number your system reports for frame rates.
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Thanks Chalenge appreciate it,
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Happened again last night while playing, from distance I couldn't tell if the enemy plane was coming at me or going away, going for the visuals first
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Thanks Chalenge appreciate it,
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Happened again last night while playing, from distance I couldn't tell if the enemy plane was coming at me or going away, going for the visuals first
This is where you need to focus on the icon, become aware if the numbers are ascending or descending.
I follow challenge's line of thought, use big monitor, still get lost.
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For what it's worth, I've never been able to determine the direction of a distant dot during these 15 years. My monitors have been on the larger side but with a tight resolution which means the image is crisp but a single dot is small. My current monitor is a 30" one with 2560 x 1600 pixels and the size of a single pixel is roughly the same as on my 24", 1920 x 1200. As you can figure, I can see a larger area on the 30". A 30" monitor running the standard 1920 x 1080 would show coarser graphics due to the bigger pixel size. That would equivalent using a magnifying glass with tighter resolutions/smaller pixels.
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Sorry for the bump, but here's the upshot, last couple of days I invested in an ASUS 144hz monitor and an EVGA 970 video card, too soon to claim I'm destined to be a stone cold killer, lol, but improving the visuals definitely helps, clearer, finer detail, higher settings. At least I can see what I'm shooting at (and how bad my aim really is). Haven't tweaked either yet really but its definitely an improvement and wont hurt when AH3 comes final.
Next I'm going to have to work on the old Gigabyte mb and finally part with my AMD Phenom 2 Black Edition CPU, it just cant push the 970 to its fullest, its done me well for a long time.
Thanks Again
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Ping and steady connection. In my opinion.
That would be the most important.
Where can I buy those? :D
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Does your PC help you get kills in AH
Yes, it does. Without it I wouldn't even be able to play AH. :D
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Sorry for the bump, but here's the upshot, last couple of days I invested in an ASUS 144hz monitor and an EVGA 970 video card, too soon to claim I'm destined to be a stone cold killer, lol, but improving the visuals definitely helps, clearer, finer detail, higher settings. At least I can see what I'm shooting at (and how bad my aim really is). Haven't tweaked either yet really but its definitely an improvement and wont hurt when AH3 comes final.
Next I'm going to have to work on the old Gigabyte mb and finally part with my AMD Phenom 2 Black Edition CPU, it just cant push the 970 to its fullest, its done me well for a long time.
Thanks Again
Now you're seeing what the real benefits are for upgrading to, for a lack of better parsing of the words, better computer gaming hardware...not so much for the actual SPEED of the game as 60Hz is 60Hz (or put this in FPS if it makes more sense to you) or 144Hz is 144Hz, or what the connection ping\speed is, regardless of the actual computer component specs being used more or less. The real differences that better hardware can have is in the gaming EXPERIENCE a user can see, or feel, or sense while playing & how all aspects of gaming intertwine w\ each other to give the user a TOTAL gaming experience of the game that is being played.
Now w\ the advent of AHIII on the horizon utilizing the Shader3.x modeling code whereas AHII did not is going to require a user to have to upgrade to a video card that can make use of this coding to experience the visual improvements that this Shader 3.x modeling code can provide, but even w\ this being said it is still not that simple, depending on the TOTAL experience a user wants to achieve. This is easier for users who play other games in addition to AH, especially tier 1 games, in which this spectrum of gaming has been pushed much farther along & those users have already upgraded to equipment some years back that should have NO issue playing AHIII now.
The users that I envision are going to struggle w\ this are the users who mostly only play AH or a type of game which had similar hardware requirements or less so and have gotten used to it and are going to not be so comfortable w\ the prospect of having to spend, what is to some, a fairly large amount of coin to just play this 1 game.....yes we all want to experience the same experiences w\ AHIII but to some the extra expense isn't worth it as the box that they currently have is more than adequate for everything else they do.
But the game does need to evolve as I know that Hitech & crew have been itching to do this for many years but from a business perspective there wasn't enough "mass market" available to justify the development time and expense to do it but at the same time they are falling prey to market pressure when competing w\ other gaming companies that are providing users w\ a better graphical experience in their games as the brutal fact is that LOOKS sell and the BETTER the graphics are the more sales\subscriptions can be had.
I don't know about that last part. I still get significant input lag with the Gsync systems. Maybe you're not using Gsync, but for me it's a loser.
Hey Chalenge,
You probably have already considered this but I'll ask anyway,
In the Nvidia CP have you tried adjusting the "number of pre-rendered frames" setting to a lower number? Or are you using this in it's default setting of "Use Application Settings"? Or does this do any good if you're using SLI'd cards?
When I was using my Geforce vid cards before I bought the R9 290X\Fury X I found that AH doesn't have a setting that would allow the CPU to pre-draw graphics frames ahead of the GPU flipping them to display & so if the Nvidia driver is still set to use the application settings it would default back to the old setting of 3 that was used way back in the day. I set this to 1 to get rid of the input lag on my box at the time (would've set this to 0 but the latency between CPU to GPU was too short & caused more issues).
Just putting this out there.................
Hope this helps.
:salute
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Trim makes a high-speed shot possible (in compression), unless you have combat trim on, I normally find myself at advantage using manual trim against same type of plane who does'nt.
Trim?
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Just move closer to Dallas :old:
Where can I buy those? :D