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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: The Fugitive on March 18, 2016, 10:45:00 PM
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First, AH3 is coming! If your computer cant handle it, either upgrade your computer of stop playing. Those are your choices IF you haven't asked for help in tweaking the computer you DO have.
Post your DXDiag (top third is usually enough), many guys here are happy to look at it and suggest ways to adjust the MANY settings HTC has put in AH3 beta to get a good game experience.
Coming in here or the game and just crying about how bad the new version sucks isn't going to help you or anyone else. Ask for help.
If it turns out your computer cant handle the new game and you just cant afford to upgrade or don't want to, Im sorry for you but your crying about it isn't going to stop the new version from coming out.
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I understand what you're saying, I just hope we don't lose too many people to the switch. Numbers are too low as it is, and I doubt most of us have high-end gaming rigs or play the newestlatest games. Hopefully we'll gain some new players with the improved game, but for them to want to stick around there'll have to be enough people already in the arena to make it fun when they log on for their 2 weeks.
I just bit the bullet and ordered a new video card and power supply, but I'm probably a little more committed to this game than average. OTOH it wasn't much more than a year's subscription fees and I'm hoping this rig is good for a few more years.
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If people tried the beta then they would know how their system would handle it.
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If people tried the beta then they would know how their system would handle it.
Certainly a good idea. I did and mine won't. The latest patch has my frame rate at 15 with everything at the absolute minimum - hence the upgrade. I suspect plenty of folks are in the same boat because the current version relies more on the processor and less on the video card, so you can get by with a lower-end card like I've been doing.
My impression of the player base is that there are a lot more hardcore WW2 aviation buffs than hardcore gamers. Pretty much all the other games I play are older or fairly obscure strategy games that don't need a gaming rig to run.
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You might want to check this out before you spend any money:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,378254.0.html
It seems that there is an issue with the latest patch, causing the game to use more video memory than it should.
Remember this is a beta and there will be issues.
Also, you don't have to have a high end gaming rig to run AHIII. I'm running an eight year old E8400 4GB ddr2 system. I upgraded to win7 64bit, and put a used nvidia gtx 480 1.5GB ddr5 in last summer. It plays AHIII just fine and the game looks very nice.
:salute
Sik
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My machine that has run AH2 for the last 6 years without an upgrade runs the beta fine with half the settings off @ 4096 textures. Infact where this version uses more of the video card it seems better than AHII.
2gb video card get 60 FPS in the air and it dips a little when low over the town / field but still more than playable.
If it starts to suffer in battle with lots of stuff going on then hey I've only had 3 years notice :t (and probably another 6 months) to save up enough to spend a minimal amount rebuilding this tower. :banana:
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Hey! Thanks for the... uhm help or uhh insult or something like that! Ya, that's it! Woopee! :rock
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AH2 is very gracious in the sense that you can have a pretty poor system and still play the game without a hindrance (even on the lowest settings). Can't play on single core processors and onboard graphics forever.
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At first there definitely was a problem some where but it seems HTC found the problem that was causing a lot of people to lose frames, it runs pretty smooth for me now. Do appreciate that HTC looked into that like they did, had me worried.
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I understand what you're saying, I just hope we don't lose too many people to the switch. Numbers are too low as it is, and I doubt most of us have high-end gaming rigs or play the newestlatest games. Hopefully we'll gain some new players with the improved game, but for them to want to stick around there'll have to be enough people already in the arena to make it fun when they log on for their 2 weeks.
I just bit the bullet and ordered a new video card and power supply, but I'm probably a little more committed to this game than average. OTOH it wasn't much more than a year's subscription fees and I'm hoping this rig is good for a few more years.
I hope that first off, people don't panic when they try to beta. Second I hope they ASK for some help in tweaking their system. And third, if they can afford it and need to, upgrade their system. I really would hate to see anyone leave the game due to any reason. I hope that HTC runs an aggressive ad campaign and brings in a large group of new/old players to the new version.
The good news is that computers are NOT growing in leaps and bounds any more. Back in the "old days" it seemed like we were upgrading every year. Now we can run the same one for 3-5 years for the most part. So anyone spending money on a good rig (not some cheapo Walmart special) can run that piece for a good number of years.
If people tried the beta then they would know how their system would handle it.
Not only tried it, but asked about what can be done to make it the best gaming experience on their equipment. HTC has loaded a lot of adjustablity into the game but has little documentation at this time as how to tweak them.
At first there definitely was a problem some where but it seems HTC found the problem that was causing a lot of people to lose frames, it runs pretty smooth for me now. Do appreciate that HTC looked into that like they did, had me worried.
I think he is talking about this....
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,378254.0.html
It seems in the newest version there is a memory leak/issue that is causing issues with using double the memory with cards with less than 2 GB of memory.
Hey! Thanks for the... uhm help or uhh insult or something like that! Ya, that's it! Woopee! :rock
Not trying to insult people, but there are those that are on the boards and in the game that are crying about "Im not upgrading my computer just for some game!". The point is HTC isnt going to stop the new version for those players. If your not going to upgrade your computer for a game then you have made your decision. Say your good-byes, wish everyone well and leave.
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We have been through all this before. :old:
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Ya just gotta do what ya gotta do. Over the years the game has had bumps in improvement. I had an old P4 rig that I added memory to, it was the last of the kickass P4 mobos that had an AGP slot. I had the last of the Mohicans 1gb AGP video card. Overclocked the thing as much as I could. Eventually it couldn't keep up.
I finally broke down and put together a new rig in, think it was 2011 or 12. Built it myself and I highly recommend that. If you can do a Google search and run a Phillips screwdriver you can build a PC. It'll save you a TON of bucks. I future proofed it enough to keep me on the curve for a while. It runs AH3 fine even with lots of stuff on at full res. Even better with lower res textures and things turned down.
I'm probably a new video card from having everything maxed out. So a relatively small investment now to keep me rolling for the foreseeable future.
The game can't stay behind the times forever. That'll lose us players for sure. Eventually we all have to keep up. I'm sure some players won't be able to plunk down the cash for a new rig and I get that. I didn't either. Kids in college is a friggin killer! I bought a piece here and there when a good deal came around and finally had enough stuff. I recycled what I could from my old rig. One thing was a nice fatality sound card with a front panel I got off eBay cheap.
The good news is components aren't making a frigging quantum leap in performance every 6 months like they were 10 years ago. So the base components should keep you going for a while. This version is WAY more dependant on the video card than the CPU which is opposite the current version. It seems the video cards are the only things making large strides. So buy that last. Do your homework, buy what ya can when ya can. Ya just gotta figure you're not gonna be able to run not only AH3 but any modern 3D game running a PC from the 90s. That is what that is.
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The good news is that computers are NOT growing in leaps and bounds any more. Back in the "old days" it seemed like we were upgrading every year. Now we can run the same one for 3-5 years for the most part. So anyone spending money on a good rig (not some cheapo Walmart special) can run that piece for a good number of years.
Not only that, but a decent tower can be had/build for ~$600 or less.
As for upgrade paths, AMD is pretty steady with their sockets, whereas Intel couldn't make up their mind as to which socket to stick with for a while there.
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My system is nothing fancy and it runs the Beta pretty good. I built it myself and it cost under 1000 US dollars.
Asus bg85m-g mother board
I3 4130 3.4 ghz
8 gigs ram
windows 7 64 bit.
Asus Geforce GTX 960 2 gb
550 w power supply
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Hey! Thanks for the... uhm help or uhh insult or something like that! Ya, that's it! Woopee! :rock
It is far from an insult and merely the harsh reality. Just like the split in AH2 Beta. Same whines from those expecting their outdated systems to be catered to, instead of trying to reach a middle ground. I actually applaud Fugitive for having the balls to post it.
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WoW!.... :O
Fugi be careful, they are going to confuse you with me after this. You won't change what they feel about the whole game upgrade with logic, stats, facts, or even a cameo by Hitech pasting in 1000 lines of code.
Look at it as, "you" obviously must be fortunate to have a PC that will run the new game while they don't, since you are laying down the AHIII law on them. And the rest don't want to hear about anything other than their mondo game whomping rig is das bomb running the beta. Or, Hitech has finally validated for them that he has always been a dork and a goat screwing them, and doesn't know anything about coding games after all these years. That is, until he tweaks something and everything is fine until the next time he screws someone's expectations about their PC. Ever wondered why he is not as active in the forums as he was years ago? He is screwed coming and going no matter what he does.
Games and PC's are a very emotional thing for men these days.
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Can't play on single core processors and onboard graphics forever.
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say no more sir say no more!
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My system is nothing fancy and it runs the Beta pretty good. I built it myself and it cost under 1000 US dollars.
Asus bg85m-g mother board
I3 4130 3.4 ghz
8 gigs ram
windows 7 64 bit.
Asus Geforce GTX 960 2 gb
550 w power supply
I wish I had something fancy like that :old:
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Ground to ground graphics are good. Air to ground graphics view , not so good. Airplane cockpit gauges have lost their sharpness. Graphics use to be better but since the last few patches, they have declined in my opinion. Still beta so time will tell.
I enjoy the game so I am in for the ride no matter which way it goes.
Some of the anger may be more waited more toward getting booted out of the game as AH3 goes live due to short funds and not against AH3 as a game. Everyone should keep in mind not everyone has ready cash to upgrade their systems. We have seen people on this forum that had a hard time justifying the monthly fee.
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I think it may be because this game is such a nitch game. You don't see people crying to EA because NHL 2016 has come out that no one is playing NHL 2015 any more.
There were times when I almost canceled my subscription due to needing an upgrade of one thing or another. Family comes first after all, but we always worked it out. Cut back on the beer allotment of other subscriptions be it magazines or news papers or block buster :eek: The point is you do what you have to do. Crying about it doesn't get you any where.
"Do, or do not, there is no try."
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Some of the anger may be more waited more toward getting booted out of the game as AH3 goes live due to short funds and not against AH3 as a game. Everyone should keep in mind not everyone has ready cash to upgrade their systems. We have seen people on this forum that had a hard time justifying the monthly fee.
There is never any loss of face admitting this to our community sans a negative attitude. Over the years it has even resulted in players contacting the person to offer hardware in the hopes of keeping the person in the new game version. I suspect Fugi is responding to the players taking a position as a victim about the game change, to license themselves to bully pulpit it Hitech's fault they cannot for what ever reason stay with the game's march into the future. Thin skin comes to mind.
It's easier to blame Hitech than accept the reality.
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This is my build.
Asus x99 or z97(something like that)
I5core processor
8gb ram
1tb hard drive
250 ssd
Nvidia 980 graphics card
Windows 10 64bit
I hope this runs well. I have downloaded the first ever beta path and it did not work well. So I just deleted it and never tried it again. I'm just waiting on the final release of Aces High 3!
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--- due to short funds and not against AH3 as a game. Everyone should keep in mind not everyone has ready cash to upgrade their systems.---
For what I've noticed reading the hardware section many if not most of the players who can't get playable frame rates don't have a gaming computer to start with. By that I mean that their computers have not been aimed for gaming in the first place, not that they're outdated. People just don't read the minimum or recommended requirements, or they can't compare their computers with those. Not so long ago someone cried that he can't get good frame rates despite his $399 Walmart Laptop being brand new. If someone really wants to play games but can only afford that amount of money there's plenty of second hand high end gaming computers on the market, used only a year or two.
---We have seen people on this forum that had a hard time justifying the monthly fee.
That is an entirely different matter which hopefully only affects a small margin of AH'ers.
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I have a geforce gt 740m card and i get about the same frame rate in the beta as i have in AH2.
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I'll be out for a while when the switch occurs, is what it is. It's not the money, it's the priorities with the money. My twins are going to be driving in a few months, so the spare $$$ is going towards that....that and my daughter was invited to study/research in a summer physics program at Princeton this summer. Not to shabby for a HS Sophmore.
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We have been through all this before. :old:
What happened last time? did we make it? :eek:
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What happened last time? did we make it? :eek:
No!This is all an illusion! :old:
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For what I've noticed reading the hardware section many if not most of the players who can't get playable frame rates don't have a gaming computer to start with. By that I mean that their computers have not been aimed for gaming in the first place, not that they're outdated. People just don't read the minimum or recommended requirements, or they can't compare their computers with those.
But see, that's part of the problem - there ARE no official minimum or recommended requirements for the new version. That's why I waited as long as I did to upgrade, I wanted it to be close enough to feel like I had a reliable indicator that the upgraded rig would run the game before buying something that turned out not to be sufficient. A lot of people will probably wait until the actual release. I hope HTC will publish minimum and recommended system requirements for the new game here and on the front page and give folks a week or two to upgrade based on those specs before shutting down AH2. (I should be good to go either way, I'm just concerned for folks who are willing to upgrade but are waiting for official system requirements.)
To be fair Skuzzy and others have been very helpful when people (including me) have posted specs and asked if they look good to go or if not what they'll need in the way of an upgrade, but not everyone keeps up with the forum.
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Partpicker.com (http://Partpicker.com) is a good site that you can use to help you build a rig. It has a compatibility checker to make sure all your parts will work together and finds the lowest prices for you. I have my list and when I am ready for a rebuild Ill start ordering parts here and there to spread out the financial hit.
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But see, that's part of the problem - there ARE no official minimum or recommended requirements for the new version. That's why I waited as long as I did to upgrade, I wanted it to be close enough to feel like I had a reliable indicator that the upgraded rig would run the game before buying something that turned out not to be sufficient. A lot of people will probably wait until the actual release. I hope HTC will publish minimum and recommended system requirements for the new game here and on the front page and give folks a week or two to upgrade based on those specs before shutting down AH2. (I should be good to go either way, I'm just concerned for folks who are willing to upgrade but are waiting for official system requirements.)
To be fair Skuzzy and others have been very helpful when people (including me) have posted specs and asked if they look good to go or if not what they'll need in the way of an upgrade, but not everyone keeps up with the forum.
It's in Beta, they can't call any minimum specs until release or then it's almost false advertising. When release comes out I'm sure they will have an idea of what the minimum is so you can upgrade if need to.
Me personally to be completely honest was that the graphics weren't good enough compared to the frames I was dropping with my set up....which isn't new but it does run 6 other games (all within the last 2 years) on default graphics with steady frames so it isn't "out of date" yet either....but HTC did some tweaking which they posted about and my frames jumped back up to normal. If your system is struggling with the graphics just wait until release and see what you need, home built computers are pretty cheap than say alienware and YouTube will show you how to do anything these days.
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But see, that's part of the problem - there ARE no official minimum or recommended requirements for the new version. --- A lot of people will probably wait until the actual release.---
As JunkyII already said, it's still beta. As the requirements change with each and every update making such a list would be impossible.
What I wanted to stress in my previous post is that basically no video intensive game can be played without a gaming computer. AH2 is a rare exception of the rule to some extent. What will be needed for AH3 based on the Beta is a mid to high end computer built for gaming. The recommendations given for those who can't wait for the initial release have been exactly that, good overall gaming rigs built with longevity in mind. My current rig can play both versions well enough despite the processor being released in 2008 and the video card in 2010, both bought second hand for a reasonable price.
[quote}To be fair Skuzzy and others have been very helpful when people (including me) have posted specs and asked if they look good to go or if not what they'll need in the way of an upgrade, but not everyone keeps up with the forum.[/quote]
Exactly. Any information and help you want is available if you ask. On the HTC Home Page, Downloads, there's the download page for AH3 Beta. The first three lines containing 35 words provide all the information needed, telling in capitals that it's BETA and including a direct link to the Beta forum. If people want to play an unfinished product without participating in the developing process, they most likely won't read the requirements anyway.
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Just to clarify something repeated over and over again in this thread.
You many not need a new computer at all. If your computer has a dual core CPU running at 2.8Ghz, or better and at least 4GB of system RAM, then all you may need is a video card and, possibly, a new power supply.
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I'm gonna twerk my system.
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Just to clarify something repeated over and over again in this thread.
You many not need a new computer at all. If your computer has a dual core CPU running at 2.8Ghz, or better and at least 4GB of system RAM, then all you may need is a video card and, possibly, a new power supply.
V-8?
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I understand what you're saying, I just hope we don't lose too many people to the switch. Numbers are too low as it is, and I doubt most of us have high-end gaming rigs or play the newestlatest games. Hopefully we'll gain some new players with the improved game, but for them to want to stick around there'll have to be enough people already in the arena to make it fun when they log on for their 2 weeks.
I just bit the bullet and ordered a new video card and power supply, but I'm probably a little more committed to this game than average. OTOH it wasn't much more than a year's subscription fees and I'm hoping this rig is good for a few more years.
what card and power supply did u get and does it work well?
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It's a Gigabyte GTX 960 4GB but it hasn't arrived yet. I also upgraded my power supply from a 300W to a 500W. I thought about going for a GTX 970 but I'm on a tight budget these days and I can live without the maximum eye candy. As I've said elsewhere the other games I play generally don't demand much from the system.
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I hope some of the working class types leave :old:
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It's a Gigabyte GTX 960 4GB but it hasn't arrived yet. I also upgraded my power supply from a 300W to a 500W. I thought about going for a GTX 970 but I'm on a tight budget these days and I can live without the maximum eye candy. As I've said elsewhere the other games I play generally don't demand much from the system.
I'm using an EVGA 960 GTX 4GB. Full Beta eye candy allows 50+ FR's.
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I fully admit that I have been existing on older laptop technology. I bit the bullet this morning and purchased a Digital Storm Eclipse with the NVIDIA GTX970 card. I dropped $1500 on it, but I really do need it. Really. Like, I mean it. I don't think I can run my CAD software on anything less. Or my structural software.
8thJinx <- praying to God the wife never sees this post.
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She saw the post. She's on her way over.
(J/K)
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I fully admit that I have been existing on older laptop technology. I bit the bullet this morning and purchased a Digital Storm Eclipse with the NVIDIA GTX970 card. I dropped $1500 on it, but I really do need it. Really. Like, I mean it. I don't think I can run my CAD software on anything less. Or my structural software.
8thJinx <- praying to God the wife never sees this post.
your a dead man if she does....... :bolt:
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Holding out hope
quad core 4gb and gtx610 2gb video
First try with the beta months back gave me 4-6 fps
Tried the newest yesterday, up to 11-14 fps
More than doubled response in a few months so hoping finalized version keeps improving
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Holding out hope
quad core 4gb and gtx610 2gb video
First try with the beta months back gave me 4-6 fps
Tried the newest yesterday, up to 11-14 fps
More than doubled response in a few months so hoping finalized version keeps improving
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but our performance baseline video card, for AH3, is the NVidia 9800 GTX, released in early 2008.
The 9800GTX has 7 times more memory bandwidth than the 610.
The 9800GTX has 8 times higher texture rate than the 610.
The 9800GTX has 10 times the pixel rate of the 610.
The 9800GTX has 8 times more texture mapping units than the 610.
The 9800GTX has 4 times more render output processors than the 610.
The only things the 610 has an advantage over the 9800GTX is more video memory, and less power.
Simply stated, the 610 is not going to perform well in AH3.
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Can the 9800GTX still be found on the market? (This is he question to ask, right?) :D
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I fully admit that I have been existing on older laptop technology. I bit the bullet this morning and purchased a Digital Storm Eclipse with the NVIDIA GTX970 card. I dropped $1500 on it, but I really do need it. Really. Like, I mean it. I don't think I can run my CAD software on anything less. Or my structural software.
8thJinx <- praying to God the wife never sees this post.
Response from God, "no worries she will never see it, she deleted it attempting to hide her post on facebook, about the $1800 she spent on shoes...."