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Title: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: ghi on April 01, 2016, 09:38:09 AM
Well, this one is can afford :rock :banana:
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: BoilerDown on April 01, 2016, 11:58:45 AM
I was around #30 in line at the store near me yesterday. So I'm in. Reveal was good imo, but need more details on options, prices of options, and what comes standard.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Mano on April 01, 2016, 12:37:26 PM
All the car manufactures saw the people on TV standing in line to put down a deposit on an affordable electric car. [Hint Hint] BMW, Mercedes, Audi have been hurt by Tesla Model S sales. Wait until the Model 3 comes out.........they are going to feel more pain. :banana: :banana: :banana: I like the German imports and I have owned a few but, I really want to see the electric car succeed.
The federal and state rebate incentives bring the price of the car more in line with a Ford Focus or similar automobile. An electric engine can go one million miles or more without any service. No more oil changes or high fuel prices.
:salute
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Randy1 on April 01, 2016, 12:38:25 PM
And what will the car be worth when the batteries start fading?
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Meatwad on April 01, 2016, 12:50:53 PM
As much as a hot wheel toy
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 01, 2016, 12:54:08 PM
It would be nice if Tesla could meet its goal of producing the car by the end of 2017 but most are saying that it probably won't be until 2018 when we'll see the Model 3. In the meantime, GM will start producing the Bolt by the end of this year, giving it a vital head start over Tesla. Telsa needs this car to be a success to prove that it can survive as an auto maker as Model S and Model X haven't hit any of their sale targets that could sustain its business.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: mbailey on April 01, 2016, 02:44:49 PM
I was around #30 in line at the store near me yesterday. So I'm in. Reveal was good imo, but need more details on options, prices of options, and what comes standard.
Me 2 :rock I made a reservation online, from my phone ,1000$ refundable . I've been waiting for this model and it's getting crazy , over 190,000 units have been pre-ordered until 2 pm / in first 24 hours.
Over 200,000 preorders ,already ; they already need to order 800,000 tires and 400,000 mirors :rofl Green revolution ! :rofl Nobody ever sold 200,000 vehicles in 1 day, this guy makes history; they collected 200,000,000$ in reservation fee only ;
Me 2 :rock I made a reservation online, from my phone ,1000$ refundable . I've been waiting for this model and it's getting crazy , over 190,000 units have been pre-ordered until 2 pm / in first 24 hours.
Over 200,000 preorders ,already ; they already need to order 800,000 tires and 400,000 mirors :rofl Green revolution ! :rofl Nobody ever sold 200,000 vehicles in 1 day, this guy makes history; they collected 200,000,000$ in reservation fee only ;
The big question is, how many of those reservations actually turn into actual sales?
You are right, sure not all , things change in people's life after 1-2 years. But if the reservation madness keeps going , an early reservation could worth $$$. :) As Mano mentioned above, this model is actually affordale after fat government incentives . I read this article today here in Ontario ;
"Excited for Tesla’s Model 3? You should be—you’re paying for it"
http://www.macleans.ca/economy/excited-for-teslas-model-3-you-should-be-youre-paying-for-it/ "Drivers in Ontario who purchase an electric vehicle with a battery capacity larger than 16 kWh and five or more seats are in line to receive as much as $14,000 from the province. " Here a list of electric and hybrids eligible for government incentives in Ontario,;Tesla model S get 3000$ only because is rated luxury car over 75 000$ , the highest amount gets BMW I3, 13,000$, and Model 3, should get about same amount. http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/vehicles/electric/electric-vehicle-rebate.shtml The gas is cheaper this days but won't last, when first missile start flying over Middle East goes back though the roof . So ,fat rebates, battery charge is free, no more gas, wars for oil, no oil changes and a futuristic look like .. Judge Dredd . :cool:
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: BoilerDown on April 01, 2016, 11:33:12 PM
If electric cars are so great, why do they need a federal subsidy to lose money making them?
Need? Anyways, Economies of Scale. Elon Musk explained it quite well in his presentation last night, perhaps you should watch it.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: ridley1 on April 02, 2016, 06:29:50 AM
A few thoughts.
How many of these people have ordered the car to get a locked in price, then upon delivery decide to flip it on e-bay or such.
I remember watching a top gear episode where both the teslas they sent to the show broke down big time.
I also have an issue with all electric/hybrid vehicles for any northern climes where salt gets put on the road: an electric car that spend months in an electrolytic bath of road spray? Also, battery performance (i.e. range) when the temperatures drop well below freezing.
As for electric cars being this godsend of environmental greenness, you have to burn energy to make the elecricity to charge it..
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: GScholz on April 02, 2016, 06:58:04 AM
What makes E-cars a good idea is the reduction of pollution in big cities. The pollution is released where the electricity is produced rather than were the car is driving. How much pollution we're talking about depends on the power plant. In Germany now one third of all electricity is produced from renewable sources.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Greebo on April 02, 2016, 08:12:02 AM
Any car uses vastly more energy in its construction (mining, refining, manufacture etc) than the energy from petrol or electricity it consumes during its life. Keeping a car until it wears out would do much less environmental damage than buying a new, more fuel efficient one every few years. So if governments were truly interested in the environment they would be paying incentives for people to hang on to their old cars longer. Of course this wouldn't be good for the car industry and the many thousands of voters it employs and would also be unpopular with people who want to feel good about buying a new car every few years. So I can understand why this won't happen, its just the sheer dishonesty of the whole environmental subsidy argument that annoys me.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Ripsnort on April 02, 2016, 10:39:40 PM
Tesla has a winner with this one. My neighbor two houses down, his son who graduated from UW 5 years ago, hired on at Boeing, left for Tesla 4 years ago. Happy as a clam as an engineer for Tesla. They're a good company.
Hint: You shoulda bought stock in them 5 years ago like we did. :)
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: ghi on April 03, 2016, 10:42:07 AM
The autopilot feature looks interesting for distracted drivers ;)
Me 2 :rock I made a reservation online, from my phone ,1000$ refundable . I've been waiting for this model and it's getting crazy , over 190,000 units have been pre-ordered until 2 pm / in first 24 hours.
Over 200,000 preorders ,already ; they already need to order 800,000 tires and 400,000 mirors :rofl Green revolution ! :rofl Nobody ever sold 200,000 vehicles in 1 day, this guy makes history; they collected 200,000,000$ in reservation fee only ;
Sorry. Comparing deposits to sales, doesn't quite cut it. Guaranteed some will not have the balls to go through with it. Now in two years, let's see how many orders are fulfilled.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: BoilerDown on April 03, 2016, 01:00:01 PM
Where are all the people saying the electrical grid will surely fail? I coulda sworn they were posting on these kind of forum threads just a few years ago.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Randy1 on April 04, 2016, 07:01:25 AM
Where are all the people saying the electrical grid will surely fail? I coulda sworn they were posting on these kind of forum threads just a few years ago.
Each power company leans on other power companies to make up power shortages. This works well most of the time. On a very rare occasion when power shortages become far reaching then circuit breakers sending power to other grids will cut off the ties to save their own grid.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Masherbrum on April 04, 2016, 10:53:42 AM
Where are all the people saying the electrical grid will surely fail? I coulda sworn they were posting on these kind of forum threads just a few years ago.
Fail? Hardly. However, they will enjoy those electrical bills.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: MADe on April 04, 2016, 11:59:20 AM
fossil fuels, at current rate of use, less than 500 years of available oil, then comes our own extinction event, fighting a nuclear war over whats left. Some do believe that nuclear war is a viable way.
or stop using oil as a fossil fuel at our current rate of consumption and keep oil around long time, for the myriad of other products we require and use daily.
hemp oil peddle power solar wind water etc......
go TESLA ! :salute
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: GScholz on April 04, 2016, 12:32:16 PM
fossil fuels, at current rate of use, less than 500 years of available oil, then comes our own extinction event, fighting a nuclear war over whats left. Some do believe that nuclear war is a viable way.
Never mind the recharge times, reduced package, and the dodgy batteries. At least you'll never have to go to a gas station. OTOH, don't plan any longer trips, either.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: morfiend on April 04, 2016, 02:39:18 PM
wireless power transmission!
Before you laugh,it's being used to charge cell phone already and MIT has lit a bulb from 5 or 7 feet,I forget exact distance.
They are building a "test" road with wireless power transmission pads,you just drive over the pads in a special lane and it charges the batteries.
It's not really new "tech", Nikola Tesla did this in the 20's and 30's and used it to power a electric converted Peirce Arrow.He also lit up many light bulbs that were just inserted into the ground.
Once this become a viable method then electric cars will become the norm! As they once were years ago.
Question,what was Edison's most profitable invention?
:salute
PS: hint it wasnt the light bulb!
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 04, 2016, 02:59:38 PM
Possible - it's simple inductive charging... but, let me pee in the cornflakes by pointing out that we have some difficulty maintaining the roads we have. The expenditure for an entire national grip of inductive-charge roads would be enormous, and would still not answer the needs of those outside of the big urban areas. And, speaking or urban areas, if the big dig took as long as it did, how do you reckon this will work?
Of course, you could "smart" charge for the charge on a user-specific basis.
The next question: if you convert the entire fleet of US cars to EV... 1. prepare for a massive upgrade cost for both power generation capacity and in vehicles themselves 2. Prepare for required massive increases in battery production and in toxic battery waste.
See you in 100 years, if ever.
A better answer, if we're talking electrics, is a fast-charge scheme and a battery that uses ambient for it's oxidizer (the source of the battery weight penalty is that it carries it's own oxidizer).
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: BoilerDown on April 04, 2016, 03:03:38 PM
Wireless power transmission can't be efficient at all. Which makes it no longer a "green" technology, which wipes out half the idea behind it all. Solving battery energy density problems is nothing compared to subverting the fundamental laws of nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 04, 2016, 03:11:16 PM
Wireless power transmission can't be efficient at all. Which makes it no longer a "green" technology, which wipes out half the idea behind it all. Solving battery energy density problems is nothing compared to subverting the fundamental laws of nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law
Yep, goes like 1/r^2 - good point, Boiler. But then, the whole idea of the smart grid is fantastic to begin and would require immense wealth, the generation of which seems completely beyond the capacity of the greens...
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: morfiend on April 04, 2016, 03:21:44 PM
PJ,
The idea is a siding lane with recharge pads so you wouldnt need to change the roads at all. They are building a test track now and the power "pads" are on a siding lane,the idea is you dont have to stop completely to recharge just travel over the pads.
Electric vehicles arent a new idea,in the 1920 the vast majority of vehicles in New York city were electric. Until a certain person cornered the market and started gasoline stations...... :noid
I'm not an engineer and realize that batteries arent quite ready for prime time but Nikola was on to something and it's interesting that everything old is new again.
I'm waiting on the answer,come on guys it's pretty easy Edison doesnt have that many patents....... :devil
:salute
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 04, 2016, 03:29:59 PM
I recognize that it's possible, Morf, but even adding siding lanes to electrify the road grid is another moonshot.
I also recognize the age of electric propulsion - and there was a reason we left it.
On a side note, the old Edison/Tesla debate over AC/DC ended in that horrible elephant-frying incident. It's a funny backstory, for those interested in historical trivia. The AC/DC debate was kind of silly to begin.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Skuzzy on April 04, 2016, 03:32:07 PM
I am thinking hydrogen fuel cell hybrids are a better solution, but that is still pie-in-the-sky thinking.
The current battery technology just is not there yet and may never get there.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 04, 2016, 03:34:50 PM
I was pretty involved in our last Fuel Cell Project, back in the day. The issue there is the cost of the stack and its platinum-intensity... and hydrogen storage, which is tricky, given how tiny the molecules are.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Skuzzy on April 04, 2016, 03:43:37 PM
I was pretty involved in our last Fuel Cell Project, back in the day. The issue there is the cost of the stack and its platinum-intensity... and hydrogen storage, which is tricky, given how tiny the molecules are.
Every bit of technology to get us away from oil has some level of problems to solve, for sure. Yes, hydrogen storage and the cost are issues for sure.
Still, as a clean solution, I think it offers more merit than any other solution available. There is probably some scientist working on a polymer based fuel cell. Seems they are getting polymers to do everything these days. :)
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: caldera on April 04, 2016, 05:51:47 PM
I recognize that it's possible, Morf, but even adding siding lanes to electrify the road grid is another moonshot.
I also recognize the age of electric propulsion - and there was a reason we left it.
On a side note, the old Edison/Tesla debate over AC/DC ended in that horrible elephant-frying incident. It's a funny backstory, for those interested in historical trivia. The AC/DC debate was kind of silly to begin.
As you say it might be pie in the sky type of thing and may not be practical for every vehicle but I could see buses using it as well as transport trucks. We use diesel electrics in trains why not down scale that to cars,a simple 250cc diesel to charge a battery pack?
Edison killed many dogs,cats and a few pigs trying to diswade the use of Tesla's AC but his DC system was only good for a city block and only useful for lighting.....
BTW it was the storage battery that was Edison's biggest pay day..... Kinda ironic...... :rofl :rofl :rofl
:salute
PS: Royalties are still paid to this day!
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: ghi on April 04, 2016, 06:57:02 PM
A few thoughts. I also have an issue with all electric/hybrid vehicles for any northern climes where salt gets put on the road: an electric car that spend months in an electrolytic bath of road spray? Also, battery performance (i.e. range) when the temperatures drop well below freezing.
I took this shot last evening driving through Toronto, thinking about your wise words :old:; hmm , how is the autopilot going to read lane markings? :headscratch: we need an arctic edition with moose bumper, wood stove and ejecting seat . (http://i.imgur.com/Q24HCWih.jpg)
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Chalenge on April 04, 2016, 09:09:58 PM
Lithium reserves cannot fuel America's insatiable desire for automobiles, since just two years at full production would exhaust reserves even if we were not using lithium in airplanes, golf carts, cell phones, etc., etc. But the more fuel types the better, right?
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Randy1 on April 05, 2016, 07:20:04 AM
. . .The current battery technology just is not there yet and may never get there.
And there lies the problem. Even Edsion in his day the battery had limited potential.
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The storage battery is, in my opinion, a catchpenny, a sensation, a mechanism for swindling the public by stock companies. The storage battery is one of those peculiar things which appeals to the imagination, and no more perfect thing could be desired by stock swindlers than that very selfsame thing. ... Just as soon as a man gets working on the secondary battery it brings out his latent capacity for lying. ... Scientifically, storage is all right, but, commercially, as absolute a failure as one can imagine."
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 05, 2016, 07:23:27 AM
As you say it might be pie in the sky type of thing and may not be practical for every vehicle but I could see buses using it as well as transport trucks. We use diesel electrics in trains why not down scale that to cars,a simple 250cc diesel to charge a battery pack?
Edison killed many dogs,cats and a few pigs trying to diswade the use of Tesla's AC but his DC system was only good for a city block and only useful for lighting.....
BTW it was the storage battery that was Edison's biggest pay day..... Kinda ironic...... :rofl :rofl :rofl
:salute
PS: Royalties are still paid to this day!
It's interesting that you mention that, since, to my mind, the most compelling product Tesla offers is a home use Li-ion storage battery. Since I'm now living on the west side of town and since the power lines between the station and my house are, at some point (not in the neighborhood) above ground, I installed a whole house genset with auto switching. That's great - BUT... it runs full tilt, whether I'm using 22kw or not.
The Tesla storage battery, for not that much additional cost, would give me a buffer. https://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall (https://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall) I'd also like to do some PV solar on my land, eventually. These will be fun projects for the future.
As for Chalenge's (never got that spelling... why?) assertion about diversification, I can only agree, though I think the market actually handles this mechanism pretty well. We used to always talk about thresholds in fuel prices... at $3/gal, x alt becomes commercially viable, etc. And most of the large producers with whom we worked (BP - a real freak show) recognized as much and were diversifying to protect themselves.
My recollection, Skuzzy, was that we and Ballard were investigating alterantive metals for the FUel Cell stacks, but I'm long since removed from that research thread.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: morfiend on April 05, 2016, 05:11:04 PM
Ya PJ,Ballard was working on that but I've heard little from them in the past 2 or 3 years! They were an up and coming Canuk company which I own about .0000000000012% of.... :devil
I'd have to check the stock price tho as it might only be.0000000000006% :rofl :rofl :rofl
I would think you could use good old lead acid cells with the generator instead of spending good money on a LiPo setup.One would only need a decent converter to switch to 110A/C and your generator wouldnt need to run full bore!
As I understand they use a dual battery pack and a small diesel to charge the battery pack not in use on buses in some European countries,I heard they get about 120 mph per 50 people on this system. Seems like this could be scaled down for auto use,but hey they'd have to measure fuel economy in gallons per hour and that just isnt right!!! :devil
:salute
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: ghi on April 05, 2016, 08:23:43 PM
It's interesting that you mention that, since, to my mind, the most compelling product Tesla offers is a home use Li-ion storage battery. Since I'm now living on the west side of town and since the power lines between the station and my house are, at some point (not in the neighborhood) above ground, I installed a whole house genset with auto switching. That's great - BUT... it runs full tilt, whether I'm using 22kw or not.
The Tesla storage battery, for not that much additional cost, would give me a buffer. https://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall (https://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall) I'd also like to do some PV solar on my land, eventually. These will be fun projects for the future.
This powerwall batteries / solar panels packages offer the freedom to live anywhere ; buy some land , a sattelite dish for Internet, pump water grow your own food ,smell the flower watch the birds enjoy life. But..they made off grid living ilegal here in Canada and in US, have to work and pay for utility companies stockholders.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: DaveBB on April 06, 2016, 04:35:26 AM
Tesla has a winner with this one. My neighbor two houses down, his son who graduated from UW 5 years ago, hired on at Boeing, left for Tesla 4 years ago. Happy as a clam as an engineer for Tesla. They're a good company.
Hint: You shoulda bought stock in them 5 years ago like we did. :)
Insider trading. I'm contacting the NEC.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Chalenge on April 06, 2016, 05:54:08 AM
It's been illegal here in Florida for two years now.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/03/09/florida-makes-off-grid-living-illegal-mandates-all-homes-must-be-connected-to-an-electricity-grid/ “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozler has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” - Carl Sagan
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 06, 2016, 09:08:42 AM
Ya PJ,Ballard was working on that but I've heard little from them in the past 2 or 3 years! They were an up and coming Canuk company which I own about .0000000000012% of.... :devil
I'd have to check the stock price tho as it might only be.0000000000006% :rofl :rofl :rofl
:salute
They've probably gone belly up. The funny thing was, I was very UN-interested in investing in them, mainly because I knew they were a captive supplier to us and had little accountability. OTOH, I knew a guy who made money of the buzz around them, just on a transient buy-sell in the 90's.
Actually, just looking them up now... they're actually trading at 1.37. DON'T TOUCH IT.
And, yes, I'm not surprised their alt metal research never paid off.
As for using lead acid... it doesn't offer the cycle life, especially at high DoD, and weighs tons, though it has the upside of being one hell of a lot cheaper.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: morfiend on April 06, 2016, 02:50:59 PM
LOL ^^^
Thanks for the heads up! I have ballard in a tech portfolio so even if the went belly up it would be a huge loss and since I bought in in about 96,well I've done ok on it.
I thought they made heavy duty cycle AGL batteries,for RV's and boats? While ya they'd be heavy it's not like you need to move them around and other than some venting they shouldnt be a problem. Many people use similar systems in the North in my country,and with a few solar panels the generator rarely needs to run.
Or you could just use an anode and diode and some potatoes... :devil
:salute
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Ripsnort on April 06, 2016, 03:55:22 PM
Meanwhile, Tesla vs 737, who will win? http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/05/tesla-model-s-p90d-vs-boeing-737-drag-race-video/
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Mano on April 07, 2016, 03:54:01 PM
Tesla has a battery exchange program in place. It can be changed in a few minutes. The price of the battery will go down in time.One of the advantages of putting the battery in the floor is it can slide out to the side with ease. The battery degrades with use. A battery can give you 7 to 10 years of use if you are a local commuter.
The more electric cars that are sold will stimulate research and development. New batteries will appear with higher densities that weigh less. Li is not the only alkali that can be used in a battery.Batteries will become a very big business in time with many companies competing. Other technologies can provide electricity as well. Putting a track into the pavement on major highways would allow cars to run and charge at the same time. A given highway can charge a fee to use their electricity. Dick Tracey's world is here. I have one of his watches. :D :D There is no limit to the use of the electric engine.
The electric engine will go more than a million miles. The major automakers do want to use them. The BART trains with electric engines where I live started running in 1972. They are still running with millions of miles.
:salute
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Skuzzy on April 07, 2016, 04:09:40 PM
I think your time frame for the battery life may be off, just slightly.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Zoney on April 07, 2016, 05:08:19 PM
I can see a time where you do not own your battery or recharge it. You pull up to the "Battery Exchanger" and in less time than it takes to fill your car with petrol, your old battery is trundled out and an exchange battery is rolled in for which you pay a fee.
And I have a flying car.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: BoilerDown on April 07, 2016, 07:28:50 PM
Everything you wanted to know about Tesla's battery pack, and more: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/pics-info-inside-the-battery-pack.34934
TLDR: Its a (massive) collection of temperature controlled (with liquid coolant) and fused blocks of 18650 Li Ion batteries.
The 18650 Li Ion is the most common Li Ion battery made. Their properties are well known.
The following cause a 18650 Li Ion cell to die, ranked in order of severity: over-discharging, heat, over-charging, simple use, and time.
Tesla's software ensures that the cells never over-discharge and the environmental control built-in ensures the cells don't experience less than ideal temperatures. However, Tesla charges their batteries well past the optimal voltage if one were to min/max in favor of longest battery life. This is simply because min/maxing for longest life drastically reduces how much charge can be added to the batteries each cycle:
So Tesla has determined a balance point between long battery life and the degree to which they'll allow their packs to be charged up. By charging to 100%, you push this balance point to its limit and reduce the life of the battery pack by some small degree. In ordinary non-long-distance driving, you'll want to only charge your battery pack to 90%, or even less. If you can do your entire daily routine plus unexpected local trips with only 50% charge, you could extend the battery life by only ever charging to 50%.
On the other hand, if you're driving long distances, you're min/maxing for range, not battery life. You should expect to age your pack quicker. To mitigate this, don't keep your pack at 100% for any length of time, only charge it up to 100% immediately before departing.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: caldera on April 08, 2016, 06:05:49 AM
I can see a time where you do not own your battery or recharge it. You pull up to the "Battery Exchanger" and in less time than it takes to fill your car with petrol, your old battery is trundled out and an exchange battery is rolled in for which you pay a fee.
And I have a flying car.
If they made batteries standardized and modular, this is actually feasible. Probably would require robots at the changing station to switch them out.
It would cost a bundle to make it happen, but sounds more workable than hanging out for a few hours to charge your batteries or digging up highways to lay electrified tracks.
The current hybrid gas/electric powertrain is the most practical idea so far. If only they made the Pious look more like a car and a lot less like a "I care about Gaia more than you do" statement.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: Randy1 on April 08, 2016, 06:25:26 AM
Thinking there is a major, new, battery technology coming is like waiting for warp drive.
Keep in mind too, if there was a major swing up in battery cars the cost of electricity would sky rocket.
Title: Re: Tesla unveils model 3
Post by: ghi on April 09, 2016, 08:20:48 PM
Elon Musk gets lucky with Space X also, yesterday's successful landing claim to reduce space cargo / sattelites launch cost with 35%.