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Title: Build a survival kit
Post by: FLOOB on May 01, 2016, 05:22:02 PM
Been watching some vids about survival kits and I saw a lot of foowels giving dumb information, dumb arse tacticool/prepper types. Dudes that pack a fire steel (and that's good) a bunch of damn jumbo water proof matches, spend hours making some weird homemade tinder yet NO BIC LIGHTER IN THEIR KIT! One dude was like I don't pack water purification tabs because I'll just boil the water. Oh really? What are you going to boil it in dumb arse? Your altoids tin?
So. What would you put in your survival kit and what would you put it in?
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Meatwad on May 01, 2016, 06:30:37 PM
http://lifestraw.com/
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Brooke on May 01, 2016, 10:16:24 PM
This fits into a cheap 2000 cubic-inch backpack, all purchasable from Amazon.
mylar blankets 2 small flashlights toilet paper in ziplock rain ponchos extra batteries in ziplock hand towel in ziplock food (about 12 of Millennium Energy Bars) water/usable bottles, 2 L cash in ziplock rope (paracord) knife scissors can opener duck tape in ziplock mirror mace map in ziplock compass lighter in ziplock water filter (Sawyer Products SP128 Mini Water Filtration System) 1st aid in ziplock: gauze, tape, benadryl sunscreen pen paper alcohol disinfectant knit hat pair of socks
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: FLOOB on May 01, 2016, 10:26:23 PM
Ok but this thread is about survival kits not how many spare socks you carry in a backpack.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Brooke on May 01, 2016, 10:34:59 PM
Ok but this thread is about survival kits not how many spare socks you carry in a backpack.
If need to walk 3 days somewhere using your survival pack, you might like a spare set of socks just in case, and also you can in a pinch use them to keep your hands warmer.
Have you ever gone on a multi-day hike?
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Brooke on May 01, 2016, 10:45:02 PM
Actually, in your survival kit, you really need only socks.
Not only can you wear them, but you can make boiled socks, fried socks, socks thermadore, sock casserole, etc.; you can filter water through them; you can burn them for warmth; you can rub them together to generate fire; you an wipe with them; you can use them as bandages or tourniquets; you can leave bits of them behind to mark your trail; and so on.
After some thought, it seems that survival is all about socks.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Chalenge on May 01, 2016, 10:59:21 PM
OK, which agency put you up to saying that? Was is the Trilateral Commission? I knew it!
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: zack1234 on May 02, 2016, 03:35:13 AM
I watched those survivalist nutters on TV :old:
If they were not so daft it would be fun :old:
One bloke had loads of booze he would use to barter :old:
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: GScholz on May 02, 2016, 05:13:07 AM
I actually respect "preppers" for their forethought and commitment to keeping their families safe. If you do believe that something terrible is likely to happen where you live in your lifetime, be it an economic collapse, war, natural disaster, or another catastrophe you'd be a fool not to prepare for it.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Randy1 on May 02, 2016, 05:57:45 AM
Somewhat on topic. A suggestion. It always a good idea to have on hand, at home, a few days worth of food like canned food or dried foods. To keep these fresh, each year, donate, the food to your local food band then resupply.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: ghi on May 02, 2016, 07:45:31 AM
I would add some potassium iodine candies, I've just read the Belgium gov. strat issuing free for the entire population.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Lusche on May 02, 2016, 08:20:47 AM
chocolate
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Ripsnort on May 02, 2016, 09:39:26 AM
I am two-tiered. Tier 1 is a bug out bag(s). *List of items below. (https://sportsdad60.smugmug.com/Misc/n-sbWvVT/i-L5f6KJt/0/O/i-L5f6KJt.jpg)
Tier 2 is home base. 2 months supply of food water and fuel (generator). IN the event of a catastrophe our family has been instructed to 'RTB' any way possible. (after all, we live in an earth-prone, vocanic-spewing part of the pac rim.)
*Tier 1 contents (most, not all) Water purification kit (in plastic bag) Compass Waterproof matches 1000 LM waterproof torch Tube of Bug repellent Electrical tape Camp suds (cleans hands, pans) Kabar combo spoon/fork/knife Long spoon (for eating out of MRE bags) Mil-spec Paracord Water bottle (with 1 gallon spare in bag) Swedish hand saw (you might need a small fire) 3 types of firestarter: Waterproof matches,Magnesium fire starter, Bic lighter Emergency medical kit (red bag) TP! (how many times do people forget to pack this?) 2 boxes of back up ammunition for my PT100 Solid alcohol fuel (Stove and kettle right above it) N-Rit towel (for wiping hands, dishes, etc) Ka Bar fighting/utility 7" blade Mink oiled hiking boots, waterproof. Gortex winter jacket Waterproof rubber gloves Wool fingerless gloves 3 days’ worth of Mountain House and MREs Emergency Warning Triangle and Flares are stored in SVU. Jumper Cables
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: guncrasher on May 02, 2016, 10:43:24 AM
nobody is stashing away beer and weed? those are needed for those long hours looking out the window waiting for the black helicopters to show up.
semp
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Meatwad on May 02, 2016, 11:56:19 AM
Actually, in your survival kit, you really need only socks.
Not only can you wear them, but you can make boiled socks, fried socks, socks thermadore, sock casserole, etc.; you can filter water through them; you can burn them for warmth; you can rub them together to generate fire; you an wipe with them; you can use them as bandages or tourniquets; you can leave bits of them behind to mark your trail; and so on.
After some thought, it seems that survival is all about socks.
Thought it was a towel
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Brooke on May 02, 2016, 12:02:06 PM
Somewhat on topic. A suggestion. It always a good idea to have on hand, at home, a few days worth of food like canned food or dried foods. To keep these fresh, each year, donate, the food to your local food band then resupply.
Donating is noble, but why would you buy food you don't like to eat yourself? I have a bunch of cans in the pantry. Instead of being some sort of survival precautions, they're waiting for the day I don't like to go shopping for food.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Brooke on May 02, 2016, 12:16:51 PM
nobody is stashing away beer and weed? those are needed for those long hours looking out the window waiting for the black helicopters to show up.
semp
That's what a wholesome game of tiddlywinks is for.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Brooke on May 02, 2016, 12:28:53 PM
What got me started on wanting some supplies around is as a result of the following.
I was at a financial conference that had a presentation on technology, and there were a couple of science-fiction writers in attendance as well (David Brin and Vernor Vinge). As part of a wide-ranging resulting discussion, someone in the audience brought up the topic of electromagnetic pulse attacks, how easy they are to pull off, and what the consequences would be.
I knew that there were folks concerned about EMP, but I had assumed it was a bunch of crap with an associated fringe crowd of nutters. However, I talked to this guy afterwards, and he did not at all seem like a kook, so I decided to look into it briefly myself. Since I have a background in technology (BS in engineering, MS in applied physics, and a Ph.D. in science), I felt that I would have no problem quickly getting a feel for whether or not it was a bunch of crap.
I was enormously surprised to find that EMP's can indeed be about as easy to cause and about as destructive as claimed.
That was when I decided that it might be worth it to have enough supplies to last my family for a while.
I consider the odds of an EMP attack to be very small. But the consequences would be life or death. So, I figure that spending $800 or so once in my life to be able to survive it was worthwhile.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Ripsnort on May 02, 2016, 12:37:10 PM
Folks, it's common sense to prepare for any disaster unless you feel confident your government will be there for you. It's called Risk mitigation. And Murphy's law is written as such...Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. Anything you're prepared for will never happen (or so we hope)
If more people prepared, there is less burden on the community as a whole should the inevitable happen.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Brooke on May 02, 2016, 12:52:21 PM
So, what I did afterwards was to research the cheapest, easiest way to provide for survivability.
What I did was get 5 gallon buckets, 5 gallon mylar bags, a heat sealer (for the bags), 2000 cc oxygen absorbers, and then proceeded to make sealed, oxygen-reduced bags of pinto beans and of enriched, long-grain white rice. (Together, they make a complete protein.) Each bucket has about 1 man-month of calories. This stuff will keep for maybe 30 years, and it cost me about $25 per bucket to make.
I added a water filter that will filter out all bacteria and most viruses (Sawyer Products SP128 Mini Water Filtration System for $20) and that lasts nearly forever (just back flush if it gets clogged).
I added some low-cost but good firearms (Marlin 795 for under $200 and a Mossberg Maverick for about $200).
So, not too much cost or hassle.
Fortunately, though, based on where I live, I don't have to store large quantities of water as long as I have a water filter. If someone lived where there isn't natural water, adding a lot of water to your storage needs is a large hassle and possibly large expense. At least there is the hot-water heater for most people that can retain some.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Ripsnort on May 02, 2016, 12:55:43 PM
You've got my curiousity up on the following: 5 gallon mylar bags, a heat sealer (for the bags), 2000 cc oxygen absorbers,
Can you PM me more info? Where did you get the 5 gallon mylar? What sort of heat sealer? I think I could find the oxygen absorbers...
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Brooke on May 02, 2016, 01:11:24 PM
Folks, it's common sense to prepare for any disaster unless you feel confident your government will be there for you. It's called Risk mitigation. And Murphy's law is written as such...Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. Anything you're prepared for will never happen (or so we hope)
If more people prepared, there is less burden on the community as a whole should the inevitable happen.
Yep. The only less-bad thing about a CME is that it might not take out cars and trucks, which if so would be an enormous help compared to an EMP attack. It would, of course, still be an enormous disaster, and lots of people would perish.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Brooke on May 02, 2016, 01:38:10 PM
You've got my curiousity up on the following: 5 gallon mylar bags, a heat sealer (for the bags), 2000 cc oxygen absorbers,
Can you PM me more info? Where did you get the 5 gallon mylar? What sort of heat sealer? I think I could find the oxygen absorbers...
25 and 50 lb bags of Pinto beans and enriched, long-grain rice (don't use brown rice -- it doesn't last 30 years) is from Cash and Carry in Bellevue.
5 gallon plastic buckets and lids from Home Depot. (I do a quick wipe and rinse with soapy water, and let them thoroughly dry for a couple days before I use them to reduce plasticizer in case a mylar bag breaks inside. Important to make sure they are dry if you do this before you seal them.)
These mylar bags (cost $2 per bag): http://www.amazon.com/Mylar-Gallon-Emergency-Storage-Supply/dp/B0077CSRXQ?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage (http://www.amazon.com/Mylar-Gallon-Emergency-Storage-Supply/dp/B0077CSRXQ?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage)
These oxygen absorbers (need one packet per mylar bag, cost 75 cents per packet): http://www.amazon.com/Oxy-Sorb-10-Packs-Oxygen-Absorber-2000cc/dp/B004FRZ45K?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage (http://www.amazon.com/Oxy-Sorb-10-Packs-Oxygen-Absorber-2000cc/dp/B004FRZ45K?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage)
This heat sealer (set to high, clamp it, and hold for about 7 seconds, and it is a good seal; cost $95 but worth it): http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Sealer-Model-KF-150CST-Storage/dp/B003HO30TE?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage (http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Sealer-Model-KF-150CST-Storage/dp/B003HO30TE?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage)
So: -- I wash the buckets, dry them out, and let them dry for a few days before I use them. -- Put the mylar bags into the bucket and fill with rice or beans to about 4 inches below lip of bucket. -- Seal the mylar along the top leaving about 4 inches still unsealed. -- Push out extra air for all the filled mylar bags. -- Open my bag of oxygen absorbers and put one 2000 cc absorber through the 4" gap on each mylar bag of stuff. -- Reseal the bag on any spare oxygen absorbers. -- Seal the last 4 inches on each of the mylar bags. -- Wait a day or two to check that the bags are sealed. Sealed ones will look like they are vacuum packed, as oxygen taken out creates a vacuum. If they don't look vacuum packed, you probably have a leak in the bag, and you should rebag that one. -- Label the outside with what it is and month/year it was created with Sharpie marker. -- Put on lids. Be careful with rubber mallet to pound along only the rim to seal them on.
Rip, if you live in or near Redmond (you live in Redmond, right?), if you want to borrow the heat sealer, just let me know. I can meet you at Three Lions pub and buy you a beer -- we can drink a toast to Zack -- and I can hand over the sealer. Also, I want to do a few more buckets worth, so if you want to go through it with me some day, just let me know.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Ripsnort on May 02, 2016, 02:00:37 PM
Thank you for the information and offer! You're a little bit north of where I work (Bellevue, near I-90) but I do want to tip a glass with you one day! Lacrosse spring season is in full swing and summer will be soon, but I'll make some time and hook up with you. My kid practices at Marymoor Park for Summer Lacrosse so I'll make one of those evenings work and ride with him (then steal his car for 2 hrs and meet up with you)
I will probably just buy a sealer as I can think of a number of things around here I'd like to seal up (approaching 7,000 bullets now. :D )
Great info, I put those items in my cart for the next Amazon purchase.
Brian
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: FLOOB on May 02, 2016, 02:03:35 PM
Don't confuse your gear with your survival kit. A survival kit is what you have on your body all the time in case you get lost or seperated from your gear/pack/camp after a night of eating mushrooms or guatemalan insanity peppers. It's on you when you sleep or fall out of the boat, all the time.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: morfiend on May 02, 2016, 02:26:45 PM
My survival kit contains some string,a hook,a small knife,big bag of seeds I have collected over the years and my condenser!
The seeds would take about 6 months work to become valuable but the condenser could be set up anytime and with in a couple hours I'd have an endless supply of a very trade able product! OR I could just drink myself to death and not have to worry about anything....... :devil
If whatever is going to happen,I hope it happens close by so I dont have to worry about survival,not sure I'd want to live in a world where it's dog eat dog,we're almost there now,luck for me I dont have all that much more time so I dont worry about such nonsense........ :noid :noid :noid
:salute
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: puller on May 02, 2016, 03:08:58 PM
Being in Tornado Alley...we have at least 2 weeks worth of water, food, spare camping gear (fire starters and the like plus tents) spare clothes (the wife laughs when I wont throw away clothes because I say I can trade them in catastrophe) old boots and shoes, spare fishing gear, ammo....all of these things are in our shelter....so the house get blown away...we set up camp in the ruins and continue on...
People who do not prep for any type of disaster be it earthquake, tornado, volcano, or the off chance that solar flare or EMP could take out the grid...are fooling themselves...
The zombie apocalypse that they speak of is when disaster strikes and the unprepared masses wander the streets looking for food and shelter because they were not prepared and thought they could rely on some type of gubermint entity to take care of them...
For me and mine...let the F5 come...let it wipe out my home and my town...I'm ready...and ready to help those that decided to not help themselves...
Oh and also...I watched a small tornado pass north of my house last Tuesday night...in all I think 7 tornadoes did damage within 50 miles of me that night...most of them were within 25 miles......Am I a crazy prepper???? :noid
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: GScholz on May 02, 2016, 03:25:12 PM
No. You're crazy for living where you do!
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: morfiend on May 02, 2016, 03:29:28 PM
Puller,
I live in tornado alley too! I dont think people are crazy to prep it's their choice! I just dont waste time or energy on things I have little or no control over.
I have plenty of bottled water and a pantry full of assorted foods,bought in bulk to save costs and not for any other reason.There is camping gear and fishing gear in the house also,again bought for another purpose but still all usable in the event it's needed.
The difference is I havent done anything to prep,as I said I'm not sure I would want to live in such a world and lucky for me I dont have all that much more time so I never sweat the small stuff,like the zombies or evil commies..... :rolleyes:
Of course I have the advantage of living in The Great White North,we build igloos that are hardened from any EMP,solar flairs or Tornadoes.We use dogsleds so no need for shielding from EMPs and I might add have you ever tasted seal meat?
So while it's ok to be prepared,it think it's much ado about nothing!
:salute
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: USRanger on May 02, 2016, 03:54:47 PM
All you need is a pocket knife and a fat girl to eat if things get bad.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Brooke on May 02, 2016, 04:24:40 PM
Don't confuse your gear with your survival kit. A survival kit is what you have on your body all the time in case you get lost or seperated from your gear/pack/camp after a night of eating mushrooms or guatemalan insanity peppers. It's on you when you sleep or fall out of the boat, all the time.
Socks!
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Ripsnort on May 02, 2016, 08:44:37 PM
My survival kit contains some string,a hook,a small knife,big bag of seeds I have collected over the years and my condenser!
The seeds would take about 6 months work to become valuable but the condenser could be set up anytime and with in a couple hours I'd have an endless supply of a very trade able product! OR I could just drink myself to death and not have to worry about anything....... :devil
If whatever is going to happen,I hope it happens close by so I dont have to worry about survival,not sure I'd want to live in a world where it's dog eat dog,we're almost there now,luck for me I dont have all that much more time so I dont worry about such nonsense........ :noid :noid :noid
:salute
But...human instinct is to...survive. Whether it be Mother Nature Catastrophic or man made...it won't be "such nonsense" to your inner instinct if it happens. Don't you agree it's better to be prepared for say...1 week? Maybe 2? Maybe 2 months? Either way, your biggest regret is a life changing event (your survival) that you COULD have prevented and chose NOT to when you were fat and sassy!
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Ripsnort on May 02, 2016, 08:46:21 PM
All you need is a pocket knife and a fat girl to eat if things get bad.
This opinion is strictly base on her diet. If fast food, you have to prep the meat so that it doesn't have the Ronald McDonald gamey taste to it. If farm raised, farm fed, cook slowly and simmer in the fat for the finest flakiness of meat.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: DREDIOCK on May 02, 2016, 09:26:25 PM
Been watching some vids about survival kits and I saw a lot of foowels giving dumb information, dumb arse tacticool/prepper types. Dudes that pack a fire steel (and that's good) a bunch of damn jumbo water proof matches, spend hours making some weird homemade tinder yet NO BIC LIGHTER IN THEIR KIT! One dude was like I don't pack water purification tabs because I'll just boil the water. Oh really? What are you going to boil it in dumb arse? Your altoids tin?
So. What would you put in your survival kit and what would you put it in?
While handy to have and couldnt hoit Bic lighters arent that good of an item because they dont always perform well at higher elevations or windy conditions. Better off with a good old fashioned zippo and a magnesium fire starter as backup.
Beyond that. Firearms a good supply of ammo, Powder and a few house hold chemicals is about all I need. I figure with that list. Folks like you will supply me with anything else I need or Better yet. Those prepper folks foolishly building those underground tombs and generously stocking my new warehouses for me. I thank you all in advance
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Brooke on May 02, 2016, 09:48:32 PM
Firearms a good supply of ammo, Powder and a few house hold chemicals is about all I need. I figure with that list. Folks like you will supply me with anything else I need
In that case, they definitely have what you need.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: morfiend on May 03, 2016, 12:45:44 AM
But...human instinct is to...survive. Whether it be Mother Nature Catastrophic or man made...it won't be "such nonsense" to your inner instinct if it happens. Don't you agree it's better to be prepared for say...1 week? Maybe 2? Maybe 2 months? Either way, your biggest regret is a life changing event (your survival) that you COULD have prevented and chose NOT to when you were fat and sassy!
Rip,
I hear you but I'm afraid I've had 2,no 3 life changing events so far in my life! There was no way to prepare for any of them and I somehow managed to survive.
I grew up in the wilderness in Ontario,really,and not as some may claim.... I know how to survive I just dont think it's worth my time money or effort to plan for a WHAT IF type thing. Well maybe I'm wrong I did sort of prep,I got rid of my debt and even managed to save a few pennies.
I just have a different take on it,if the grid goes down I'll find away around that,if the bomb drops I hope it's on my head,if the zombies come well I dont now,maybe I'd deal with that too.
Life is just too short for me to worry about things out of my control,maybe if you had a life changing event or 2 you'd feel the same way too.
Another thought I just had,I live where there are plenty of resourse and few people,there are relatively few guns so I think I have much less to worry about,if I lived somewhere else I might feel different. Also dont get me wrong if you want to expend the resourses and effort who am I to say it's wrong or silly? It boils down to choices.
Then again I do have family with a large working farm in the middle of nowhere and I know we could all gather there! :devil
:salute
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: zack1234 on May 03, 2016, 02:28:30 AM
I have 600 tins of beans :old:
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: LCADolby on May 03, 2016, 06:49:02 AM
If Fallout taught me anything, a healthy selection of bottlecaps is all you need :rock
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: FLOOB on May 03, 2016, 05:58:29 PM
While handy to have and couldnt hoit Bic lighters arent that good of an item because they dont always perform well at higher elevations or windy conditions.
This is what I'm talking about guys. This is an example of some of the bad info that propagates on the internet. Bic lighters do work at higher altitude. If you're at such elevation that your bic lighter is giving you trouble you're going to die of hypoxia. Everest climbers take bic lighters.
Ferro rods and magnesium are popular because they are tacticool. Bic lighter is practicool.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: GScholz on May 03, 2016, 07:29:22 PM
If you're in cold or windy places you should consider getting a proper storm lighter, and a small bottle of gas for it.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: FLOOB on May 03, 2016, 08:37:30 PM
That has a piezo igniter, more failure prone and won't work worth a damn if at all at high alt. A refill port is a potential weakness and it looks like it might not float. How many bics can you buy for the price of it? I'm surprised they are marketing it as a "high altitude" lighter. Just goes to show ya, got to be wary guys.
It's tacticool gear marketed to people who like to talk about their "EDC" toys.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Shuffler on May 03, 2016, 10:17:19 PM
We have a group in our neighborhood. Each of us has one room with nothing but supplies. We have ready access to water and a way to purify. We have lots of food vacuum packed and adding to ammo every week.
We even have lots of firewood stored.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Brooke on May 03, 2016, 10:44:52 PM
Way to go, Shuffler.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: zack1234 on May 03, 2016, 11:58:44 PM
Does shufflers want some beans?
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: guncrasher on May 04, 2016, 02:42:39 AM
I grew up really poor. we had nothing but beans, rice and some salsa as condiments. if you telling me that I have store beans and rice to survive the zombie apocalypse. I would rather put a gun to my mouth. right after I shoot you :bhead :bhead :bhead.
semp
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: zack1234 on May 04, 2016, 03:14:40 AM
:rofl
I like beans on toast
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: ghi on May 04, 2016, 02:55:35 PM
Opps!
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: FX1 on May 07, 2016, 08:27:33 AM
.22 mag and a buck knife.
Title: Re: Build a survival kit
Post by: Ripsnort on May 07, 2016, 08:43:54 AM