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Title: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: puller on June 25, 2016, 10:45:09 PM
The 12 hour Battle of Britain :aok
That is all...
:bolt:
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Crash Orange on June 25, 2016, 11:08:02 PM
New Guinea, 1943, IJAAF Ki-43s and Ki-61s vs. USAAF P-40s, P-38Gs, and B-25Cs. We're about due for a PTO and I don't think that plane set's ever been done, certainly not since we got the Oscar.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Guppy35 on June 25, 2016, 11:17:01 PM
New Guinea, 1943, IJAAF Ki-43s and Ki-61s vs. USAAF P-40s, P-38Gs, and B-25Cs. We're about due for a PTO and I don't think that plane set's ever been done, certainly not since we got the Oscar.
I could probably find some 80th Headhunter 38G pilots for that one.
Just sayin' :)
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 25, 2016, 11:44:43 PM
The next scenario will run in October.
Let's hear people's suggestions here, and once we discuss things here, and I find out which terrains could be available before October, we'll narrow it down to 3-4 choices and have a vote of players on which one they pick, along with which format 12-hour or 4-frame.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 26, 2016, 12:21:41 AM
So:
Battle of Britain New Guinea
Also have had a suggestion of North Africa.
Other thoughts:
Battle of the Bismarck Sea (like New Guinea, but also ships, A-20's, B-17's) Aspects of Guadalcanal Campaign Late-war Philippines (late-war Japanese vs. US stuff) US 8th AF vs. Luftwaffe (DGS-like)
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 26, 2016, 12:27:33 AM
One difficulty with PTO, by the way, is that early-war is OK (Zeros vs. P-40's, FM-2's), and late war is OK (late-war Japanese stuff), but if you are putting Zeros or Ki-43's up against P-38's, Corsairs, P-47's, it gets very grim for the Japanese side. So in-between stuff can get difficult.
Maybe not impossible to think of good matchups, but it has challenges at times.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: BaldEagl on June 26, 2016, 12:55:47 AM
BOG II
6 Frames running at different times for instance rotating between US morning, afternoon and evening to accommodate more players in different time zones.
US vs Germany also always seems to draw bigger numbers.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: SuBWaYCH on June 26, 2016, 01:39:29 AM
Devil has an excellent idea for a 12 hour scenario that all of the axis command staff liked - I'll let him share it here.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: BFOOT1 on June 26, 2016, 10:13:29 AM
I'm always up for an 8th Air Force vs Luftwaffe!
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: wil3ur on June 26, 2016, 10:16:52 AM
Damn commie bastards killed Jusi!!! :mad:
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Devil 505 on June 26, 2016, 10:49:49 AM
Devil has an excellent idea for a 12 hour scenario that all of the axis command staff liked - I'll let him share it here.
Operation Cerberus: The Channel Dash (Feb. '42)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Dash
I'm still trying to iron out the kinks in the Allied bomber set. Need to find reasonable substitutes for the RAF and Coastal Command light bombers and torpedo bombers.
Proposed planeset:
Allied: Spit V Hurri II Mosquito (sub for Whirlwind) G4M (sub for Beaufort) B-25C (sub for Wellington) B5N (sub for Swordfish)
Axis: 109F 190A-5 (sub for 190A-2, propose disabling Mg-FF) 110C (sub for 110E) Ju-88 (if distraction raids are included)
A 12 hour scenario is perfect for this as the actual operation was run on a single day from before dawn until after dusk. There will be a very low cloud deck .The Axis will have the duty of protecting 2 or 3 task groups as they make their way up the English Channel. The allies must prevent the ships from passing through the Straits of Calais.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: shotgunneeley on June 26, 2016, 01:35:51 PM
I definitely vote for a single 12 hour frame. For me personally, it would be much easier to get one full day off to myself than four half-days off.
In keeping with the October time period, the top three I know of would be: Guadalcanal and El Alamein (1942), or Leyte Gulf (1944).
Like you Devil, I thought about how a Channel Dash setup would be so fun - especially as a 12 hour run through the gauntlet. We have ww1 biplanes - I wonder if we could get a torpedo strapped to the f2.b and make that work for a swordfish substitution? The swordish run that day was some of the most daring and bravest flying noted by both sides during the entire conflict.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Guppy35 on June 26, 2016, 01:50:42 PM
I'm still trying to iron out the kinks in the Allied bomber set. Need to find reasonable substitutes for the RAF and Coastal Command light bombers and torpedo bombers.
Proposed planeset:
Allied: Spit V Hurri II Mosquito (sub for Whirlwind) G4M (sub for Beaufort) B-25C (sub for Wellington) B5N (sub for Swordfish)
Axis: 109F 190A-5 (sub for 190A-2, propose disabling Mg-FF) 110C (sub for 110E) Ju-88 (if distraction raids are included)
A 12 hour scenario is perfect for this as the actual operation was run on a single day from before dawn until after dusk. There will be a very low cloud deck .The Axis will have the duty of protecting 2 or 3 task groups as they make their way up the English Channel. The allies must prevent the ships from passing through the Straits of Calais.
Skip Mossies. The Whirlwind was a small footnote and the Mossie would be a far better performer. Skip subbing Japanese planes. Kills any immersion immediately. Bostons, Mitchell's, Spits V and Hurricane II variants
Not perfect but at least the planes were flown by both sides. If determined to have Torps use the RN TBF. The trade off would be similar to the better performing A5 subbing for he 190a2
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 26, 2016, 01:52:18 PM
12-hour format opens is interesting, as you folks point out, as there are actual battles that ran for a day or couple of days, so the timing of it is more realistic in that regard.
Channel Dash, Coral Sea, Midway, Battle of the Bismarck Sea, some of the battles in the Guadalcanal Campaign, Operation Torch landings, Operation Husky landings, D-Day, Alder Tag, and a bunch of others that I don't know off the top of my head.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: ROC on June 26, 2016, 02:46:31 PM
If you all run a 12 hour event, I urge you to talk to Nefarius and I about how we balanced the last one. It was an absolute grueling exercise with a massive spreadsheets counting each object on each target, damage each of the bombers could do, reasonable expectation of survival, and an incredible item by item, plane by plane, hour by hour expectation on balance with a specific formula to adjust hardness based on turnout if needed. Trust us, 12 solid hours literally came down to one final run at the end of the day. If you don't put that much detail into the setup, it may be difficult run.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Devil 505 on June 26, 2016, 02:55:34 PM
If you all run a 12 hour event, I urge you to talk to Nefarius and I about how we balanced the last one. It was an absolute grueling exercise with a massive spreadsheets counting each object on each target, damage each of the bombers could do, reasonable expectation of survival, and an incredible item by item, plane by plane, hour by hour expectation on balance with a specific formula to adjust hardness based on turnout if needed. Trust us, 12 solid hours literally came down to one final run at the end of the day. If you don't put that much detail into the setup, it may be difficult run.
I hear you there, ROC. You guys did an outstanding job on that one. And that's why we're clamoring for another. :aok
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 26, 2016, 03:00:37 PM
If you all run a 12 hour event, I urge you to talk to Nefarius and I about how we balanced the last one.
Absolutely.
The one you guys did was a huge success, and I bet there are many things -- balancing and other things -- for which expert input from you guys would be of vital importance.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Randall172 on June 26, 2016, 08:57:53 PM
battle of manchuria / August Storm
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: ROC on June 26, 2016, 09:58:38 PM
This isn't the final draft for Target For Today, but here's a look into the detail that can go into an event if anyone has a free 2 months to kill :rofl This is just version 6, not sure where it was that we stopped but this one was close.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 26, 2016, 11:21:42 PM
Here's what I suggest.
Let's gather here all recommendations for the theme of the battle (i.e., Battle of Britain, late-war 8th AF, New Guinea, North Africa, etc.). I'll filter from the list any where a terrain doesn't exist.
Then I'll have a vote where people can pick their top two choices.
From that vote, I will narrow the list down to the three themes that got the most votes.
Then we'll have a final vote on that list along with which format it should be, 4-frame or 12-hour.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: wil3ur on June 26, 2016, 11:27:33 PM
Winter War!
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Devil 505 on June 26, 2016, 11:48:42 PM
Channel Dash. The Kriegsmarine is trying to get Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, and Prinz Eugen to safety. The Luftwaffe put up a huge moving CAP over the Channel, and the RAF struck in force. Spit V, Hurri II, Beaufort, Wellington, Swordfish, 109F, 190A-5, 110C, maybe Ju 88.
North Africa. Fights in the desert of North Africa. A very fun plane set and nice change of terrain. Spit V, Spit IX, P-38G, P-40, P-39, A-20, B-25, Boston, 109G, 109F, 190A-5, 110C, C.202, Ju 88.
Late-war 8th AF. 8th AF strategic bombing with high-alt escorts vs. high-alt Luftwaffe. Like DGS/BOG. P-51, P-47, P-38, B-17, B-24, 109G-14, 109K, 190D, maybe some 190A-8.
Cactus Air Force. These guys fought out of Henderson Field on Guadalcanal under very tough conditions and held the place against concerted and repeated Japanese air attacks. This is where Joe Foss fought. A6M2, A6M3, D3A, G4M, F4F, P-39, SBD, TBM.
Battle of the Bismarck Sea. A major engagement in the Guadalcanal Campaign with a good matchup of aircraft. Ki-43, Zero, P-40, P-39, P-38G, A-20, B-25, singleton B-17/B-24.
Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands. A battle between carrier groups. Zero, D3A, B5N, F4F, SBD, TBM.
Late-war Philippines. A fight with late-war Japanese fighters and bombers. Ki-84, N1K1, Ki-61, A6M5b, Ki-67, P-47, P-38, F4U, F6F, B-25, B-24.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 27, 2016, 12:15:39 AM
Why not have a 12 hour frame during a conventional scenario? Just a thought.
We could propose that, or two 12-hour frames.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 27, 2016, 12:18:29 AM
One more I'd like to propose:
Modified D-Day. Like D-Day, but with strong Luftwaffe opposition. So, D-Day aircraft set on allied side, but later-war Luftwaffe stuff in equal abundance in opposition. This one is usually quite fun when we run it as This Day in WWII. It would work as a 4-frame and perhaps especially well as 12-hour.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Nefarious on June 27, 2016, 06:46:57 AM
Target for Today was originally supposed to be Operation Overlord... But after lots of going back and forth I decided to drop GVs and presented TFT instead.
Thanks for all the interest, glad everyone had a great time.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 27, 2016, 07:53:30 AM
One difficulty with PTO, by the way, is that early-war is OK (Zeros vs. P-40's, FM-2's), and late war is OK (late-war Japanese stuff), but if you are putting Zeros or Ki-43's up against P-38's, Corsairs, P-47's, it gets very grim for the Japanese side. So in-between stuff can get difficult.
Maybe not impossible to think of good matchups, but it has challenges at times.
This is where the Shoki (Ki-44) would help. it'd give the Japanese forces a mid-war cannonbird with which to hit those bombers. It'd also be a good mix fighter for the extremely turny Oscars. It's nothing great on paper, but I think it'd help offset the inherent Allied speed/firepower advantage, or at least make life a little trickier for them.
A few months back we had a similar FSO scenario and ,yes, it gets tough to be flying the meatball. The Oscar is pretty survivable, but you really have to saddle up to get anything other than the assist. And, of course, if the Allies feel like it, they just hit the throttle and run.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: LCADolby on June 27, 2016, 08:02:18 AM
You could use a korea terrain and make it a continuation (if russia was to clear the korea peninsula) but it could change things up a bit, a much less common match up
Also Operation Unthinkable (Let there only be land objectives and the Soviets will have more ground forces while the US/Brits will have more Airplanes)
I've was thinking about the alt problem, one way to "force" people to not climb to 40k is to have an incentive to stay low, if there is a land objective that must be taken (with GVs) flying at 40k would be pointless. Instead of focusig on the air - air, focus on supporting the GVs, and getting air superiority
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Nefarious on June 27, 2016, 10:22:32 AM
Re: 12 hour BOB
The AH2 terrain contains the large custom cities like London, Paris etc, that will not carry over to AH3.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Devil 505 on June 27, 2016, 11:20:29 AM
I see lots of B25s......I'm happy. I'd love to do North Africa again.
They would be in the PTO stuff, too.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Beefcake on June 27, 2016, 01:45:53 PM
As long as the targets are not ships....unless the ack is turned WAAAAAAAAAAAY down and the 5"ers are disabled. Philippine Phandango was fun using B25Hs to attack ships but if the ack is up you can't survive.
Also I just hate attacking ships in general.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: LCADolby on June 27, 2016, 05:03:16 PM
I'm all for North Africa, early and midwar provide the closest matchups.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 27, 2016, 05:04:34 PM
As long as the targets are not ships....unless the ack is turned WAAAAAAAAAAAY down and the 5"ers are disabled. Philippine Phandango was fun using B25Hs to attack ships but if the ack is up you can't survive.
Also I just hate attacking ships in general.
I love attacking ships. The ack does need to be turned down, and the 5" has to be disabled, or it isn't possible.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Guppy35 on June 27, 2016, 05:53:08 PM
Bostons, Mitchell's, P40s, 38G Spitfire V with a small group of IXs vs 109F and G2 190 fighter bombers, 87s, 88s, 110s and 111s?
Or we can do even earlier and forgo the Spit IX, 109G-2 and 190. Also add some Hurricanes and Emil's. There are many combinations for North Africa. :aok
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: KCDitto on June 27, 2016, 06:27:04 PM
All good ideas..... BUT.....
If we are going to run a 12 hour scenario, I vote for
And I am sure that the Luftwaffe command staff is already picked and ready to go!
Just have to decide who is doing what.
As I said after TARGET for TODAY I will CO the Luftwaffe if we run a 12 hour BoB or what should be called
ALDERTAG
With the first frame lasting 2.5 hours taking place in the early morning with attacks on ports and radar then a .5 hour break for CM to close and open logs and CO's to count and set up squadrons. Then with another 2.5 hour frame taking place mid day with an all out air assault on the airfields. Then another .5 hour break. Again close and open logs and CO's to count and set up squadrons. Then the final 2.5 hour frame happening late afternoon and early evening with attacks in smaller groups to what ever targets. Then close of frame.
Ever since we ran that 12 hour scenario, I have thought that Battle of Britain would be the perfect situation to highlight the awesomeness of a 12 hour event. It gives all time zones a chance to fly and the numbers for BOB have always been strong. With the .5 hour intermissions, it allows COs to have better counts and side balances before launch each frame. This was the big headache last time. Also, with the event taking place all on ONE (1) day, there is less of the fatal WIFE ACK that plagues many of us. I can easily get one day off from honey dues, but an entire month is a tough sell. I am going to be paying for Dnieper for a long time :rolleyes:
Anyway,
Those are my thoughts and I am pretty sure that I can convince a large group of JG11 to fly in that one.
Thank you for your consideration and time
Ditto
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Chris79 on June 27, 2016, 07:13:53 PM
Are hypothetical match ups allowed
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 27, 2016, 07:23:05 PM
Best sub for pe2 is the tu2. Tu2 is a little slower than pe2.
The Pe-2 has terrible defences, the early Pe2 didn't have a rear gunner, was more accurate as a dive bomber. But has anyone got a chart for climb rates and speed for both to compared, Tu2 and Pe2?
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Chris79 on June 27, 2016, 09:27:48 PM
The TU2 has a slightly better power to mass rate. PE2 .15 hp per pound, TU2 .17 hp per pound. A clean TU2 with 25% fuel can climb at roughly 3400 fpm at sea level. Seeing that the VVS had lend lease B25's maybe that could be a more suitable substitute.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Chris79 on June 27, 2016, 10:47:58 PM
Or a formation of TU2's could be used as Bombers, and a single TU2 with a limited payload could be used as attack/jabo. The plane set would be fairly evenly matched. Spit16 vs La7 Spit8 vs yak3 B26 formation vs Tu2 Formation Mossies vs Single Tu2
The Soviets would hold a slight edge on Fighters, where as the RAF would have a slight advantage in attack/bombers.
The late war uber rides may also attract more people. As for the ground war, seing that very few people decided to engage upon that aspect during the previous scenario I can't imagine that being overly popular in any future scenarios.
I though about the VVS vs IJAF matchup in 1945 Manchuria, the plane set seems unbalanced in favor of the VVS. I believe the 108 sentai was 50% Ki-44s and 50% ki-84s. We don't have Ki44s and 84s would get eatin alive by the LA7s
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: wil3ur on June 27, 2016, 10:54:44 PM
If we're going late war, the russians tried to reverse engineer 'saved' B29s that made emergency landings... Lets throw those in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-4
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 27, 2016, 10:58:46 PM
The TU2 has a slightly better power to mass rate. PE2 .15 hp per pound, TU2 .17 hp per pound. A clean TU2 with 25% fuel can climb at roughly 3400 fpm at sea level. Seeing that the VVS had lend lease B25's maybe that could be a more suitable substitute.
They didn't use many B-25's. They used many more Tu-2's. They used *a lot* more Pe-2's.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 27, 2016, 11:14:28 PM
The Pe-2 has terrible defences, the early Pe2 didn't have a rear gunner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petlyakov_Pe-2 "From the middle of 1942 defensive armament included 1 Berezin UB machine gun in the upper bombardier's turret, 1 Berezin UB in gunner's ventral hatch and 1 ShKAS which could be fired by a gunner from port, starboard or upper mountings."
So not enormously different from the Tu-2.
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was more accurate as a dive bomber.
It was used as an attack plane (like the Il-2) and as a level bomber. The ones used as level bombers had level-bomber bomb sights.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Randall172 on June 28, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
Or a formation of TU2's could be used as Bombers, and a single TU2 with a limited payload could be used as attack/jabo. The plane set would be fairly evenly matched. Spit16 vs La7 Spit8 vs yak3 B26 formation vs Tu2 Formation Mossies vs Single Tu2
The Soviets would hold a slight edge on Fighters, where as the RAF would have a slight advantage in attack/bombers.
The late war uber rides may also attract more people. As for the ground war, seing that very few people decided to engage upon that aspect during the previous scenario I can't imagine that being overly popular in any future scenarios.
I though about the VVS vs IJAF matchup in 1945 Manchuria, the plane set seems unbalanced in favor of the VVS. I believe the 108 sentai was 50% Ki-44s and 50% ki-84s. We don't have Ki44s and 84s would get eatin alive by the LA7s
When i checked the frame, the LA7s would get restricted to only a few, with mainly there being LA5FNs, and the first frame the IJA dominated, they also dominated the second frame, at alt the ki84 dominates
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: puller on June 28, 2016, 12:09:41 AM
And I am sure that the Luftwaffe command staff is already picked and ready to go!
Just have to decide who is doing what.
As I said after TARGET for TODAY I will CO the Luftwaffe if we run a 12 hour BoB or what should be called
ALDERTAG
With the first frame lasting 2.5 hours taking place in the early morning with attacks on ports and radar then a .5 hour break for CM to close and open logs and CO's to count and set up squadrons. Then with another 2.5 hour frame taking place mid day with an all out air assault on the airfields. Then another .5 hour break. Again close and open logs and CO's to count and set up squadrons. Then the final 2.5 hour frame happening late afternoon and early evening with attacks in smaller groups to what ever targets. Then close of frame.
Ever since we ran that 12 hour scenario, I have thought that Battle of Britain would be the perfect situation to highlight the awesomeness of a 12 hour event. It gives all time zones a chance to fly and the numbers for BOB have always been strong. With the .5 hour intermissions, it allows COs to have better counts and side balances before launch each frame. This was the big headache last time. Also, with the event taking place all on ONE (1) day, there is less of the fatal WIFE ACK that plagues many of us. I can easily get one day off from honey dues, but an entire month is a tough sell. I am going to be paying for Dnieper for a long time :rolleyes:
Anyway,
Those are my thoughts and I am pretty sure that I can convince a large group of JG11 to fly in that one.
Thank you for your consideration and time
Ditto
Done called it... :neener:
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Beefcake on June 28, 2016, 01:55:32 AM
Well for my vote I'd like to see a North Africa event again like Dawn of Battle. Granted the land war and some things would need to be tweaked, however, I just love the idea of flying desert camoed B25s NOE again.
Next to Battle Over Germany, DOB was one of my favorite scenarios. Besides DOB2 I'm up for another Battle of Britain if that's what everyone wants. Gotta fly some He111s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petlyakov_Pe-2 "From the middle of 1942 defensive armament included 1 Berezin UB machine gun in the upper bombardier's turret, 1 Berezin UB in gunner's ventral hatch and 1 ShKAS which could be fired by a gunner from port, starboard or upper mountings."
So not enormously different from the Tu-2.
It was used as an attack plane (like the Il-2) and as a level bomber. The ones used as level bombers had level-bomber bomb sights.
youre not adding anything unknown, but lets see some charts
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Fencer51 on June 28, 2016, 05:16:50 PM
This is where the PE2 would come in handy, maybe sub 110c?
The RAF didn't use B-26s in Northern Europe. B-25s would be the closest fit to your model. Also you need to add in Typhoons and Tempests as they were prevalent in May 45.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 28, 2016, 05:32:32 PM
Fencer! Howdy! :aok
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Zimme83 on June 28, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
And in that scenario I assume that RAF would use moss XVI as bombers.
But it would be a very uneven scenario since the RAF would dominate the skies at higher altitudes.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Beefcake on June 28, 2016, 05:49:21 PM
Holy Crap, Fencer Lives!
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: swareiam on June 28, 2016, 07:48:56 PM
The Last Bomb
12 hours Scenario
1945 Japan vs USAAF
IJA/IJN 45% USAAF 55%
Planeset
IJA/IJN
A6M5b KI61 N1K2-J KI-45 (BF110C-4b) KI84 ME163
USAAF
P-51D P-47N P-38L B-29
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Zimme83 on June 28, 2016, 08:07:37 PM
Same objection here: A very uneven matchup. At 20+ k no japanese fighters have a chance against the Americans, at 30k they cant even Catch the B-29.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: swareiam on June 28, 2016, 08:57:19 PM
Same objection here: A very uneven matchup. At 20+ k no japanese fighters have a chance against the Americans, at 30k they cant even Catch the B-29.
Well...
Take a look at the video. Curtiss LeMay had the bombers going in at 12 thousand feet.
This is easy. We drop the altitudes, including fighters and increase the number of objectives for the USAAF.
If you can write up an issue. It can be over come by writing it out.
Within reason...
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: puller on June 28, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
No PTO.....
12HR BOB all the way :rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Molsman on June 28, 2016, 09:05:16 PM
Sorry but BOB is overplayed in All Event's including FSO I am suggesting Over Enemy Lines (Winter Germany) into BOG Summer Germany 6 hrs for each event
<S> Molsman
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Zimme83 on June 28, 2016, 09:09:27 PM
Take a look at the video. Curtiss LeMay had the bombers going in at 12 thousand feet.
This is easy. We drop the altitudes, including fighters and increase the number of objectives for the USAAF.
If you can write up an issue. It can be over come by writing it out.
Within reason...
At night yes. You want us to do the scenario in darkness?
And as for the last Days day raids:
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LeMay's plan called for precision attacks on important industrial targets on days when the weather over Japan was clear and incendiary attacks guided by radar on overcast days. As both the cities and industrial facilities targeted were relatively small, the B-29 force would be sent against multiple locations on days in which attacks were conducted. This targeting policy, which was labeled the "Empire Plan", remained in force until the last days of the war
How are we supposed to make that happen in the game?
Edit: But OK, we can be a Little creative for the sake of fun. But sending B-29:s in at 12k against the full force of japanese fighters will be ugly. The problem is to find a good altitude for the fighting. American planes wants to be as high as possible and Japanese as low as possible it will be hard to make it even.
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Devil 505 on June 28, 2016, 10:30:23 PM
Sorry but BOB is overplayed in All Event's including FSO I am suggesting Over Enemy Lines (Winter Germany) into BOG Summer Germany 6 hrs for each event
<S> Molsman
Is there a reason that it is OVERPLAYED.... YES it is FUN and Balanced
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Crash Orange on June 29, 2016, 12:44:45 AM
Most of these sound great but I'm just not into the speculative WW3 stuff. I also prefer the early and mid war ones just because it gets people into different planes than the ones everybody flies in the MA.
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Post by: wil3ur on June 29, 2016, 01:16:11 AM
Brewsters 109e 110c's p39s i16s
WINTER WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Brooke on June 29, 2016, 01:29:12 AM
There's a good book with a lot of info on B-29 bombing (Whirlwind: the Air War Against Japan, 1942-1945, by Barrett Tillman).
Interestingly, in the earlier usages of B-29's out of China, there were bombing missions of B-29's that weren't super high alt, where the B-29's met substantial Japanese fighter resistance, and suffered substantial losses.
This got me to thinking that scenarios with B-29's might not be lopsided after all.
The last frame of "The Pacific War" scenario had B-29's, P-51D's, P-38L's, and P-47N's vs. N1K2's, Ki-84's, Ki-61's, A6M5b's, and Bf 110G's (as Ki-45's) -- and it turned out to be OK in terms of balance. The B-29's were limited to 20k alt, and the numbers were equal between the sides, giving the Japanese 1/3 more fighters than the US (as 25% of the US force were B-29's).
I flew on the Japanese side on that one. It was fun and worked out OK. The B-29 isn't as tough as I thought it would be. I ended up shooting down a couple of B-29's in my Ki-61.
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Post by: Brooke on June 29, 2016, 01:33:12 AM
The list of scenarios run, going back to 2004, is:
The Battle of the Dnieper (June, 2016 Southern Conquest (February, 2016 Target for Today (May, 2015 Battle Over the Winter Line (January, 2015 The Pacific War (June, 2014 Battle of Britain 2013 (September, 2013 Mediterranean Maelstrom (March, 2013 Der Grosse Schlag II (October, 2012 Winter Sky - Death Ground (April, 2012 Enemy Coast Ahead (October, 2011 Road to Rangoon (May, 2011 Battle Over Germany (February, 2011 Philippine Phandango (August, 2010 The Final Battle (March, 2010 Red Storm / Krupp Steel (October, 2009 Coral Sea 2009 (July, 2009 Tunisia: Dawn of Battle (April, 2009 Battle of Britain 2008 (November, 2008 Rangoon, '42 (2008) (August, 2008 Der Grosse Schlag (October, 2007 Operation Husky (June, 2007 Battle of Britain 2006 (September, 2006 Operation Downfall (July, 2006 Stalin's Fourth (April, 2006 Fire Over Malta (November, 2005 Coral Sea (April, 2005 Rangoon, '42 (October, 2004 Battle of Britain 2004 (August, 2004
There's a good book with a lot of info on B-29 bombing (Whirlwind: the Air War Against Japan, 1942-1945, by Barrett Tillman).
Interestingly, in the earlier usages of B-29's out of China, there were bombing missions of B-29's that weren't super high alt, where the B-29's met substantial Japanese fighter resistance, and suffered substantial losses.
This got me to thinking that scenarios with B-29's might not be lopsided after all.
The last frame of "The Pacific War" scenario had B-29's, P-51D's, P-38L's, and P-47N's vs. N1K2's, Ki-84's, Ki-61's, A6M5b's, and Bf 110G's (as Ki-45's) -- and it turned out to be OK in terms of balance. The B-29's were limited to 20k alt, and the numbers were equal between the sides, giving the Japanese 1/3 more fighters than the US (as 25% of the US force were B-29's).
I flew on the Japanese side on that one. It was fun and worked out OK. The B-29 isn't as tough as I thought it would be. I ended up shooting down a couple of B-29's in my Ki-61.
Exactly!
It would work out just fine. :aok
If you don't want to fly in it, just don't show up.
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Post by: Zimme83 on June 29, 2016, 10:06:53 AM
There's a good book with a lot of info on B-29 bombing (Whirlwind: the Air War Against Japan, 1942-1945, by Barrett Tillman).
Interestingly, in the earlier usages of B-29's out of China, there were bombing missions of B-29's that weren't super high alt, where the B-29's met substantial Japanese fighter resistance, and suffered substantial losses.
This got me to thinking that scenarios with B-29's might not be lopsided after all.
The last frame of "The Pacific War" scenario had B-29's, P-51D's, P-38L's, and P-47N's vs. N1K2's, Ki-84's, Ki-61's, A6M5b's, and Bf 110G's (as Ki-45's) -- and it turned out to be OK in terms of balance. The B-29's were limited to 20k alt, and the numbers were equal between the sides, giving the Japanese 1/3 more fighters than the US (as 25% of the US force were B-29's).
I flew on the Japanese side on that one. It was fun and worked out OK. The B-29 isn't as tough as I thought it would be. I ended up shooting down a couple of B-29's in my Ki-61.
20k is prob the best alt for B-29:s in such scenario. But my concern is that it's turned into a pickfest were U.S fighters come in at 30k and dive down on the Japanese, never turning or slowing down enough to make a fight out of it.
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Post by: Zimme83 on June 29, 2016, 10:14:50 AM
Not very much Winter war, only I-16 flew in the winter war. An Early continuation war scenario might work, Brewsters vs I-16 (and a few Hurri I on each side)
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Post by: LCADolby on June 29, 2016, 11:02:46 AM
There's a good book with a lot of info on B-29 bombing (Whirlwind: the Air War Against Japan, 1942-1945, by Barrett Tillman).
Interestingly, in the earlier usages of B-29's out of China, there were bombing missions of B-29's that weren't super high alt, where the B-29's met substantial Japanese fighter resistance, and suffered substantial losses.
This got me to thinking that scenarios with B-29's might not be lopsided after all.
The last frame of "The Pacific War" scenario had B-29's, P-51D's, P-38L's, and P-47N's vs. N1K2's, Ki-84's, Ki-61's, A6M5b's, and Bf 110G's (as Ki-45's) -- and it turned out to be OK in terms of balance. The B-29's were limited to 20k alt, and the numbers were equal between the sides, giving the Japanese 1/3 more fighters than the US (as 25% of the US force were B-29's).
I flew on the Japanese side on that one. It was fun and worked out OK. The B-29 isn't as tough as I thought it would be. I ended up shooting down a couple of B-29's in my Ki-61.
The Axis will be even harder to fill than ever before.
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Post by: Bruv119 on June 29, 2016, 01:05:05 PM
Wow has it really been 3 years since that B of B. Time flies.
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Post by: puller on June 29, 2016, 04:10:47 PM
If you don't want to fly in it, just don't show up.
WOW
WTG on recruiting for your potential scenario :rolleyes:
As fighter commander for the last Pacific Scenario...I had a hard enough time recruiting fighter pilots....
Not to mention that your scenario is already biased towards the Allied side :rolleyes:
I promise you this one goes through, the Japanese side will be a ghost town...I might be there depending on if it turned out to be a 12 hr scenario...just because I love the Jap planeset...but you ain't gonna get anyone else when they see that its a turkey shoot for the Allied side :bhead
Hell if we want to do something that's been done in the last 2 years why don't we run Malta again :noid...I bet Ditto is ready to be C.O. for that again :rolleyes:
I am seeing a definite pushback against the 12hr BOB idea...I'm telling you people it would be one that would go down in the history of AH scenarios as being the most awesome scenario ever ran...it just has all the parameters of a super balanced setup and everything...
Or we can come up with another idea that has the Allies at a 55% advantage from the beginning...
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Post by: puller on June 29, 2016, 04:17:10 PM
Here is the write up I had from another thread that I bumped but Brooke scolded me :uhoh
Its August 1940...
The Battle of Britain is fixing to get nasty...
And the Germans are growing impatient...
The next Aces High Scenario....Adlerangriff ("Eagle Attack") The Battle of Britain will be decided now....
This will be a 12 hour scenario, broken down into 4, 3 hour Frames...
Frame 1 - Aldertag The assault on radar sites and airfields (We will allow 109 Es to carry bombs like the real battle) Epro 210 also big factor the first 3 hour run...
Frame 2 - The Greatest Day Massive bombing runs by the Huns....
Frame 3 - The Hardest Day More massive bombing....
Frame 4 - Endgame Raid on London....Followed by the huge furball we had after the last BOB scenario :rock :rock :rock
Now just like Target for Today there would be a general objective to each frame that must be hit or rather obliterated within the 3 hour frame but that doesn't stop the CO from upping a raid for the next Frame during the prior Frame (see what happened in Target for Today). There will be a flight window at every hour (cause that's the way it worked best...keeps everyone in action and if your shot down right after an hour window closes it gives you time to eat and stretch your legs)
AND Roc (who will come out of retirement for this one) promised us that after this last scenario (sorry I didn't fly in it...I'm just so sick of Italy) we would get our 12 hour BOB...
This will be the BIG ONE everyone has been waiting for....the OOB and almost everything else is already set up...small logistical things must be worked through but this will be an easy one to set up...
Also I would like to be the first one to call a 109 squadron (called one in another thread...but that doesn't matter now :devil)
So...I suggest we hurry up and put this one out there...at least by the end of March...give us time (real time) to drum up support for it...
Adlerangriff
The Battle of Britain
An Aces High Scenario....Coming to a Saturday in June near you!!!! :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
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Ok I'm not going to edit this because I don't have time right now....ROC came back already and I will take the Luftwaffe C.O. position unless Ditto wants it...If he wants to do it then I want the 109 squad that I have already been calling for ages now :rock
Title: Re: And the next scenario should be....
Post by: Brooke on June 29, 2016, 04:58:07 PM
20k is prob the best alt for B-29:s in such scenario. But my concern is that it's turned into a pickfest were U.S fighters come in at 30k and dive down on the Japanese, never turning or slowing down enough to make a fight out of it.
It worked out OK in frame 4 of the Pacific War. I think it had a lot to do with balance of fighters. If a side has bombers and the other side has more fighters, it is hard to protect from all of them.
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Post by: Devil 505 on June 29, 2016, 05:37:32 PM
Here's my contention with late PTO setups. they're generally not fun.
If the allies are limited to carrier based aircraft, then the Allies struggle against Ki-84's and N1K2's - unless the F4U-4 is used, then the opposite applies. Against the USAAF, the Axis struggles greatly compensating with the Allied speed advantages found in every one of their fighters and the B-29.
Every year one of these awful B-29 setups winds up in FSO and I cringe. I sure as hell won't do any more outside of FSO - and even then I hate them.
Late PTO is not very good in general and even worse with B-29's.
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Post by: BFOOT1 on June 29, 2016, 05:58:46 PM
Here is the write up I had from another thread that I bumped but Brooke scolded me :uhoh
Its August 1940...
The Battle of Britain is fixing to get nasty...
And the Germans are growing impatient...
The next Aces High Scenario....Adlerangriff ("Eagle Attack") The Battle of Britain will be decided now....
This will be a 12 hour scenario, broken down into 4, 3 hour Frames...
Frame 1 - Aldertag The assault on radar sites and airfields (We will allow 109 Es to carry bombs like the real battle) Epro 210 also big factor the first 3 hour run...
Frame 2 - The Greatest Day Massive bombing runs by the Huns....
Frame 3 - The Hardest Day More massive bombing....
Frame 4 - Endgame Raid on London....Followed by the huge furball we had after the last BOB scenario :rock :rock :rock
Now just like Target for Today there would be a general objective to each frame that must be hit or rather obliterated within the 3 hour frame but that doesn't stop the CO from upping a raid for the next Frame during the prior Frame (see what happened in Target for Today). There will be a flight window at every hour (cause that's the way it worked best...keeps everyone in action and if your shot down right after an hour window closes it gives you time to eat and stretch your legs)
AND Roc (who will come out of retirement for this one) promised us that after this last scenario (sorry I didn't fly in it...I'm just so sick of Italy) we would get our 12 hour BOB...
This will be the BIG ONE everyone has been waiting for....the OOB and almost everything else is already set up...small logistical things must be worked through but this will be an easy one to set up...
Also I would like to be the first one to call a 109 squadron (called one in another thread...but that doesn't matter now :devil)
So...I suggest we hurry up and put this one out there...at least by the end of March...give us time (real time) to drum up support for it...
Adlerangriff
The Battle of Britain
An Aces High Scenario....Coming to a Saturday in June near you!!!! :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
.............................................
Ok I'm not going to edit this because I don't have time right now....ROC came back already and I will take the Luftwaffe C.O. position unless Ditto wants it...If he wants to do it then I want the 109 squad that I have already been calling for ages now :rock
I'm definitely down to help command a Gruppe of 109's if it's BoB. Sure it's popular, but it attracts players. I'm sure we all agree that we definitely need more players for our scenarios. I believe that either a BoB setup, or an 8thAF vs Luftwaffw will attract a lot of people. Yet, I'm leaning to BoB, and running this setup with the same staff that I just worked with in Dniepler :salute
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Post by: Chris79 on June 29, 2016, 06:04:45 PM
AVG and ROCAF vs IJAF. I16 P40
KI43 A6m G4M
Plane set is a bit thin, I don't know if it has been done before
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Post by: Molsman on June 29, 2016, 09:34:20 PM
Is there a reason that it is OVERPLAYED.... YES it is FUN and Balanced
Just my opinion yes it is fun to play and evenly balanced plane sets but I get bored with BOB set ups cause it seems like we do them a lot over the years with FSO maybe it would be different in a scenario role Ashame the Ava map couldn't be used cause they actually have a map for this with Paris built into it.
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Post by: ROC on June 29, 2016, 10:01:10 PM
BOB on a 12 hour format would be a completely different game than a multi frame scenario. Objectives and all, complete rewrite.
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Post by: Devil 505 on June 29, 2016, 10:04:05 PM
Also, if the AH3 map has some elevation at the coast like the Cliffs of Dover then there will be even more immersion.
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Post by: KCDitto on June 29, 2016, 10:04:51 PM
Will that be done by then? :rofl
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Post by: puller on June 29, 2016, 10:19:12 PM
BOB on a 12 hour format would be a completely different game than a multi frame scenario. Objectives and all, complete rewrite.
:aok
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Post by: ROC on June 29, 2016, 10:49:10 PM
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Also, if the AH3 map has some elevation at the coast like the Cliffs of Dover then there will be even more immersion.
Can't you just imagine flying across the ocean after a major raid over Paris, shot up, missing half your tail, 2 engines out, 2 more smoking and ahead you see the cliffs coming through the haze. Ahh the potential in the new version, the terrain team has their work cut out for them for sure. Would probably be asking too much for a map that, at night, London and Paris light up, and when the air raid sirens go off, Lights Out! :)
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Post by: KCDitto on June 29, 2016, 11:27:35 PM
Or factory smoke stacks..... That SMOKE :rock
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Post by: LCADolby on June 30, 2016, 12:25:35 AM
Can't you just imagine flying across the ocean after a major raid over Paris, shot up, missing half your tail, 2 engines out, 2 more smoking and ahead you see the cliffs coming through the haze. Ahh the potential in the new version, the terrain team has their work cut out for them for sure. Would probably be asking too much for a map that, at night, London and Paris light up, and when the air raid sirens go off, Lights Out! :)
It's 2016, that really should be a given :old:
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Post by: wil3ur on June 30, 2016, 12:45:03 AM
Why do the cliffs have to be white? Racists! :bolt:
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Post by: swareiam on June 30, 2016, 05:00:01 AM
Also, if the AH3 map has some elevation at the coast like the Cliffs of Dover then there will be even more immersion.
Do the Summer of 1941 instead. This time it's the RAF trying to keep the Luftwaffe busy to take some of the heat off the Russians suffering through the beginnings of Barbarossa.
11 Group vs JG26 and JG2, 109Es and Fs, Spitfire Is (subbing for IIs) and Spitfire Vb. This was when they were running 2-3 Circus's a day. Johnnie Johnson describes it as the most brutal air fighting of the war. Galland commented on how they were ordered to engage by Goering, when it would have made more sense to pick their spots, so the dogfights were endless. Might even consider letting one small group of 190s enter the fray at the end of the day as the 190 made it's appearance at the end of that summer.
There were no Hurricanes flying with 11 Group on those offensive sweeps, but I suppose if one wanted to include raids by 88s or 111s, there could be some for the defending the coast role.
Douglas Bader went down in August of 41 on one of those circus missions. With the numbers where they are, you'd be containing the fighting to the range of the Spits without DTs so it would be them escorting Bostons to whichever airfield or port was on the target list, hoping to get the Luftwaffe to rise to the bait, which was all the bombers really were. In reality the war of attrition took a huge toll on the RAF as they were over France while the Luftwaffe was over friendly turf.
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Post by: Randall172 on June 30, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
Maybe not speed wise, but better guns, turn performance, and fuel cap. if brooke runs this he'll have to limit the amount of them.
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Post by: Chris79 on June 30, 2016, 05:14:13 PM
The Ki84 would have a ever so slight turn advantage over the Soviet set. As for guns, the Japanese planes may have more, where as the Soviet planes don't have convergence issues. I can verify that the Yak3/9 are more then capable of dropping a buff in one pass so they are more then adequate.
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Post by: Brooke on July 02, 2016, 03:15:34 AM
OK, folks, time for the primaries.
Each person, please pick which four of the following that you would like to see continue into the next round of voting:
1. Battle of Britain. Britain's finest hour. Spit I's, Hurri I's vs. 109E's, 110C's, He 111's, and Ju 88's.
3. Channel Dash. The Kriegsmarine is trying to get Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, and Prinz Eugen to safety. The Luftwaffe put up a huge moving CAP over the Channel, and the RAF struck in force. Spit V, Hurri II, Beaufort, Wellington, Swordfish, 109F, 190A-5, 110C, maybe Ju 88.
4. North Africa. Fights in the desert of North Africa. A very fun plane set and nice change of terrain. Spit V, Spit IX, P-38G, P-40, P-39, A-20, B-25, Boston, 109G, 109F, 190A-5, 110C, C.202, Ju 88.
5. Late-war 8th AF. 8th AF strategic bombing with high-alt escorts vs. high-alt Luftwaffe. Like DGS/BOG. P-51, P-47, P-38, B-17, B-24, 109G-14, 109K, 190D, maybe some 190A-8.
6. Cactus Air Force. These guys fought out of Henderson Field on Guadalcanal under very tough conditions and held the place against concerted and repeated Japanese air attacks. This is where Joe Foss fought. A6M2, A6M3, D3A, G4M, F4F, P-39, SBD, TBM.
7. Battle of the Bismarck Sea. A major engagement in the Guadalcanal Campaign with a good matchup of aircraft. Ki-43, Zero, P-40, P-39, P-38G, A-20, B-25, singleton B-17/B-24.
8. Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands. A battle between carrier groups. Zero, D3A, B5N, F4F, SBD, TBM.
9. Late-war Philippines. A fight with late-war Japanese fighters and bombers. Ki-84, N1K1, Ki-61, A6M5b, Ki-67, P-47, P-38, F4U, F6F, B-25, B-24.
10. Modified D-Day. Like D-Day, but with strong Luftwaffe opposition. So, D-Day aircraft set on allied side, but later-war Luftwaffe stuff in equal abundance in opposition. This one is usually quite fun when we run it as This Day in WWII. It would work as a 4-frame and perhaps especially well as 12-hour.
11. Operation Unthinkable. A "what if" scenario of Soviets vs. RAF.
12. Late-war USAAF vs. Japan. A6M5b, KI61, N1K2-J, KI-45 (BF110C-4b), KI84 vs. P-51D, P-47N, P-38L, B-29 -- like frame 4 of "The Pacific War" scenario, which was decently balanced.
13> Winter War "Jatkosota - The Continuation War" Axis: Brewster, P-40C, BF109G-2, JU88A-4 Allies: P-39D, P-40E Yak-9T, La5-FN, Boston III, IL-2, TU-2
12> Late War Pacific - USAAF vs Japan Axis: A6M5b, KI61, N1K2-J, KI-45 (BF110C-4b), KI84, ME163 Allies: P-51D, P-47N, P-38L, B-29
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Post by: shotgunneeley on July 02, 2016, 05:07:03 PM
6. Guadalcanal - Cactus AF vs Japan (October 1942) 9. LW Philippines (Leyte Gulf) - USN vs IJN (October 1944) 4. North Africa (El Alamein) - UK vs Germany/Italy (October 1942) 8. Battle of Santa Cruz - USN vs IJN (October 1942)
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Post by: Randall172 on July 02, 2016, 08:12:35 PM
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Post by: Phast12 on July 02, 2016, 08:22:06 PM
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Post by: Randall172 on July 03, 2016, 07:22:47 PM
I just had another idea for a scenario..
US Navy F6F F4U-1a/1c/1d/4 TBM/SBD/other navy bombers
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P51 P38 P47 B24/17
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Post by: Zimme83 on July 03, 2016, 07:48:25 PM
A continuation war scenario with Brewsters, 109 G-2/6, Ju-88 against I-16, spit V,P-39, Yak-7, Bostons. It could be fun and not too uneven. 109:s are faster than the rest but will on the other hand be outnumbered by the VVS mid war rides.
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Post by: SuBWaYCH on July 03, 2016, 07:51:04 PM
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 04, 2016, 05:38:12 PM
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1 and 17 being better bets as they won't require the kind of numbers needed to make a DGS/BOG type event really work.
If the numbers were able to rise a bit, I'd prefer the bombers to Germany. But than again getting guys to fly 17s and 24s in decent numbers is tough.
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Post by: LCADolby on July 05, 2016, 01:39:58 PM
Invasion of Normandy - D Day
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Post by: puller on July 05, 2016, 02:46:05 PM
Need to get with the program and vote for the 12Hr BOB... :old:
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Post by: Chris79 on July 05, 2016, 04:00:17 PM
You know, I have always wondered how those nice fat blue navy birds would fare against the luftwaffe.
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Post by: Frodo on July 06, 2016, 08:38:02 AM
I remember Fdski running one that was carrier based a/c against LW birds. Was quite fun and different.
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Post by: Devil 505 on July 07, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
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Post by: wil3ur on July 09, 2016, 10:58:29 AM
It would take a new map... but a fun one could be Operation High Jump:
It's 1946 -- The world believes the war is over and the 3rd Reich has been crushed. Meanwhile, sightings of advanced aircraft and uboats in the southern oceans is getting too hard to ignore. The US Navy dispatches a carrier group to the south pole for 'research' purposes. The real goal is to destroy the last of the german bases in New Swabia.
Plane Sets:
Axis:
262, AR234, 109K4, T152
Tiger 1, Tiger II
Allies:
P51D, F4U4, Tempest, B26
Sherman Firefly, T34/85
:noid :noid :noid
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Post by: StokesAk on July 09, 2016, 01:15:03 PM
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Post by: Sloehand on July 10, 2016, 06:18:09 PM
There's a good book with a lot of info on B-29 bombing (Whirlwind: the Air War Against Japan, 1942-1945, by Barrett Tillman).
Interestingly, in the earlier usages of B-29's out of China, there were bombing missions of B-29's that weren't super high alt, where the B-29's met substantial Japanese fighter resistance, and suffered substantial losses.
This got me to thinking that scenarios with B-29's might not be lopsided after all.
The last frame of "The Pacific War" scenario had B-29's, P-51D's, P-38L's, and P-47N's vs. N1K2's, Ki-84's, Ki-61's, A6M5b's, and Bf 110G's (as Ki-45's) -- and it turned out to be OK in terms of balance. The B-29's were limited to 20k alt, and the numbers were equal between the sides, giving the Japanese 1/3 more fighters than the US (as 25% of the US force were B-29's).
I flew on the Japanese side on that one. It was fun and worked out OK. The B-29 isn't as tough as I thought it would be. I ended up shooting down a couple of B-29's in my Ki-61.
My father flew in the B29 as the Central Fire Control Engineer over the Hump and from Tinian, his stores would indicate that both were very busy theatres for the buffs. Ramming by suicide pilots took a heavy toll of the B29's. Policy was shoot anything that came too close. Ergo, as a rear gunner my father was credited as an ace with 5 Japanese kills and 1 British Hurricane (long story, was the Brits fault, he came too close. LOL).
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Post by: Sloehand on July 10, 2016, 06:30:09 PM
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Post by: Brooke on July 10, 2016, 11:00:41 PM