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Title: engine boost for new players
Post by: Bushmills on July 03, 2016, 06:54:26 PM
If there is a new player he should have an engine boost to get him out of dodge when the going gets tough. To many times new players are cought easily by other planes when they really have no business catching the plane  :O new guys get a boost of power and speed when in danger perhaps when a con is closing on there tail? For 40 seconds the soon to be victims plane gets a 70 to 80 mph boost to get them out of danger. On the screen it would say boost to alert the player and show how many boost were left. Maybe limit this to 2 boosts per sortie for 2 to 3 months? Just enough to be able to get out of there and return home safe.

Maybe this idea has already been discussed but just my 2 cents  :salute
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Zimme83 on July 03, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
Most new players die Before they have noticed the threat so it would prob not help.
But the main issue is that it would lead to old players creating new accounts so they also could enjoy the boost..
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Meatwad on July 03, 2016, 09:59:50 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 03, 2016, 10:01:10 PM
Nope.

+1
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: The Fugitive on July 03, 2016, 10:05:23 PM
Talk about a gamy wish.

No, while it may seem like your getting killed all the time and will never get better at this game with out "help" like this wish, just remember that each and everyone of us have followed the same path. We have ALL be kill a million times, some of us thousands be fore we won our first fight fair and square.

Practice! Get help from the trainers, then practice some more. Add in a whole lot of dying just like the rest of us and in time you'll start beating those guys who use to kill you, or you didn't see. Hang in there, we all went through the same growing pains. There is no short cut, just work for it if it is what you really want and you'll get there.

Good Luck!  <S>
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Zimme83 on July 03, 2016, 10:57:46 PM
Talk about a gamy wish.

No, while it may seem like your getting killed all the time and will never get better at this game with out "help" like this wish, just remember that each and everyone of us have followed the same path. We have ALL be kill a million times, some of us thousands be fore we won our first fight fair and square.

Practice! Get help from the trainers, then practice some more. Add in a whole lot of dying just like the rest of us and in time you'll start beating those guys who use to kill you, or you didn't see. Hang in there, we all went through the same growing pains. There is no short cut, just work for it if it is what you really want and you'll get there.

Good Luck!  <S>

Agree, and it will only lead to new folks relying on the boost to get away and when they loose it they still have not learned how to survive and the result is predictable..
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Bushmills on July 04, 2016, 04:55:27 AM
+1

talk about acting like a sweetheart  :rolleyes: very cosntructive

Agree, and it will only lead to new folks relying on the boost to get away and when they loose it they still have not learned how to survive and the result is predictable..

that is the whole point so you are saying new folks should just die repeatadly?  and you are wondering why guys quit jeez seems dumb to me  :salute
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 04, 2016, 08:18:37 AM
talk about acting like a sweetheart  :rolleyes: very cosntructive

that is the whole point so you are saying new folks should just die repeatadly?  and you are wondering why guys quit jeez seems dumb to me  :salute

Grab a 190D or TA152 or Temp or 262 or P51 I mean you can literally hit X and escape from anyone. New players will die repeatedly regardless if they get a special boost or not. TBH, I'm already tired of players zooming away from me to begin with. Dieing a lot helps you learn how to play the game better. This isn't a "every one gets a trophy for participating" type of game. It's dog eat dog. I died for months to learn how to peform defensive manuevers correctly, and to learn how fly certain styles and certain planes. I still do die quite a bit. Stick to Fugitives advice, it will help you, instead of trying to change the game for everyone. Your plane also has a Wep key, P, to help you escape trouble, just like in real life.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Zimme83 on July 04, 2016, 08:28:56 AM
talk about acting like a sweetheart  :rolleyes: very cosntructive

that is the whole point so you are saying new folks should just die repeatadly?  and you are wondering why guys quit jeez seems dumb to me  :salute

They will do until they have learned to survive, a boost will maybe help them initially but it still doesnt fix their main issue, the lack of skills. Once they loose the boost they are at square one.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: FLS on July 04, 2016, 09:25:06 AM
To many times new players are cought easily by other planes when they really have no business catching the plane  ...

There is a lot to learn about flying, air combat maneuvering, and energy management, before you can be successful flying in the late war main arena.

As others have mentioned, training will help. So will practice in the training or dueling arena. If you practice with better players you will lose all the time. That's normal. If you find another new player interested in improving then you can practice what you learn and win some fights.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Chris79 on July 04, 2016, 11:03:29 AM
All I see "Engine Boost" accomplishing is facilitating the good ole lawn dart.
Advice.
1. Pick a plane with decent visibility and performance. Stick with it.
2. Always check your 6. Even with no enemy dar in sector, get in the habit of always looking around. SA is one of the if not most important skill to learn in order to be successful.
3. Learn to read the clipboard map
4. Spend some time in the most commonly used AC in the MA. Learn their strengths and weaknesses. There is a good amount of information available pertaining to performance via the HTC website.
5. Find a trainer in the TA.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: FLS on July 04, 2016, 11:22:42 AM
5. Find a trainer in the TA.

The best way to find a trainer in the TA is to request training in the Help and Training forum.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: LCADolby on July 04, 2016, 12:00:32 PM
Extra engine power wont help in any way shape or form. Training would do the world of good, and an environment to thrive in.

 In my case I didn't train, I had the determination and will to take 100+ deaths a week to learn by experience. When I put my time into being a squad CO, I often saw a new guy showing that amount of determination and offered help and encouragement, gave them a squad they called home, good times.
 Perhaps the OP could start a squad and help people to improve their game. Any victory worked for is more meaningful than one won with the training wheels on, and once you get that adrenaline rush you'll go for more. By the way these types of players are often the best characters you'll find anywhere.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: hgtonyvi on July 04, 2016, 02:40:15 PM
Hey why not just pull your cord??? That pushes you away 2-3k away from the enemy :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: USRanger on July 04, 2016, 03:40:41 PM
Can we have lasers too?  Oh oh and a quad damage power up?
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 04, 2016, 03:49:56 PM
If there is a new player he should have an engine boost to get him out of dodge when the going gets tough.

No, there shouldn't be.  All that would happen is you'd get new players hitting the "boost" to avoid every fight they stumble upon.

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To many times new players are cought easily by other planes when they really have no business catching the plane

That's what happens when you take the time to learn how to fly, you can eek out everything the plane's worth and "catch those planes you really have no business catching".

that is the whole point so you are saying new folks should just die repeatadly?

The new player should seek the help of a trainer or a player that is willing to volunteer their time to lend the new player a hand and teach them the ropes of the game, BFM and ACM.  This way the new player doesn't die repeatedly and we won't see dumb wishes such as this.

 
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and you are wondering why guys quit jeez seems dumb to me  :salute

Lack of an engine boost escape method for new players is hardly the reason players leave this game.  However, if this dumb wish was implemented, you can be rest assured it will cause players to leave the game when such a gamey, stupid feature is added.

ack-ack



Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: guncrasher on July 04, 2016, 05:37:48 PM
Can we have lasers too?  Oh oh and a quad damage power up?

lasers without sharks?  turn in your wings.


semp
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Bushmills on July 04, 2016, 09:07:36 PM
Hey why not just pull your cord??? That pushes you away 2-3k away from the enemy :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Were is the tutorial for that? i have checked the homepage nothing post a link  :salute

Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Bruv119 on July 05, 2016, 05:04:13 AM
You could try telling them to fly a ki84.  It does have good acceleration and can take a hit or two for survivability.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Vraciu on July 05, 2016, 05:23:52 AM
+1

+(-)2
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: ImADot on July 05, 2016, 06:42:44 AM
One of the best things about this game is that everyone has access to the same exact planes, and it's all about a pilot's skill. I dislike games where new players are stuck in shoddy planes and are expected to compete with more experienced players in better planes, or players who buy their way into the better planes.

Giving new players unrealistic and gamey features such as what the OP is asking, would cheapen the gaming experience of Aces High.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Zimme83 on July 05, 2016, 06:57:37 AM
The  No:1 I fly this game is because there are no such features. Noone can buy themselves any advantages, I dont need to buy better guns, better engines or a better pilot. I get the same plane as anyone else and it's 100% up to me to be successful.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Vraciu on July 05, 2016, 07:03:45 AM
The  No:1 I fly this game is because there are no such features. Noone can buy themselves any advantages, I dont need to buy better guns, better engines or a better pilot. I get the same plane as anyone else and it's 100% up to me to be successful.

Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: EskimoJoe on July 05, 2016, 09:25:59 AM
It gives you a whole new respect for the guys who flew them in real life and only had one life to live and never respawned, doesn't it?

A lot of the players here on the forums are older guys, between 18 and 80ish seems to be about right. Some of them have even flown some of the aircraft, like two different guys who flew the B-24 and B-29 respectively.

The point of a simulation/game like this is not to have arcade features like engine boosts and power-ups, but to pay homage to the people that fought in these airplanes, the people that designed and tested the airplanes. While some games like the old Crimson Skies are for arcade style fun, some people enjoy learning about the history behind all of this, some like to pretend to be aces, and some still just enjoy the good ol' brain-vs-brain chess aspect of air combat.

If it's not for you, then maybe stick to World of wAircraft or whatever. But this game and a lot of the community have been around for over 15, maybe even 20 years. It's basically a proven concept at this point, and turning it into an arcade engine boosting, powerup collecting, pay for perks game won't do anything but kill all that this game stands for.

My two cents.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: save on July 05, 2016, 09:52:35 AM
The  No:1 I fly this game is because there are no such features. Noone can buy themselves any advantages, I dont need to buy better guns, better engines or a better pilot. I get the same plane as anyone else and it's 100% up to me to be successful.

Exactly my thoughts, well written !
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: bustr on July 05, 2016, 02:16:44 PM
Dying at the hands of other humans is the critical EGO depressing problem for the new and vet player alike. And for many new at something, too many times being beaten to the mat with no sense of it ever changing drives new players out of a game. AH3 will have AI missions that the new player can take part in online until it comes out of their ears. The AI is not some human on the other end you have to accept is humiliating you over, and over, and over..... :bhead

The Trainers could use AI missions they control to fly around with players talking them through the action. The Trainer would need a function that makes him invisible to the AI. Or say for Kingpin and his gunnery class, riding along to look through their gunsight with them. And have some simple missions the Trainers can let the new player download to practice offline like the AvA AI Ju88 flights with 109 escorts that fly a pattern until you engaged them. And if the new player decided to quit and make use of those offline missions like a boxed game. Our game client is no longer H2H capable so that is all the player would have. An offline only game with boring training missions.

Aces High 3 has many AI capabilities which during my last 20 months of helping test them, looked like Hitech was thinking about new players and this problem. It may take kind vets who like to create terrains and missions to provide the missions for the Trainers. This leads to another logical thought about training missions. The TA would need a TA AI mission arena with an ongoing mission like the Ju88 mission the AVA used to run. That would run 24x7, and you make a date to meet the Trainers to fly along with you or, Kingpin to ride along with you.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Beefcake on July 05, 2016, 04:02:15 PM
I'd just like to point out to everyone that this wish has already been granted by Hitech. Just take off in an Ar234 and keep the RATOS attached, when a meanie shows up punch the button and boom....you have your boost.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: The Fugitive on July 05, 2016, 04:07:04 PM
Were is the tutorial for that? i have checked the homepage nothing post a link  :salute

He is talking about bailing. It gets you out of the fight <snap> just like that!
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Bushmills on July 05, 2016, 05:52:12 PM
The  No:1 I fly this game is because there are no such features. Noone can buy themselves any advantages, I dont need to buy better guns, better engines or a better pilot. I get the same plane as anyone else and it's 100% up to me to be successful.

You are a genuis! why did i not think of that before? we should have a system like that think of the $$$$ that would be put in to new developments for are gaming expereince? an ENGINE BOOST would also be covered under soupin up your plane. I think i will need to make a new thread for that wish give me time though i got to think this one through. Though thanks for the idea Zimme i will give you credit for it when i write it up not like i am stealing your idea sir. :cool:

 :salute
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 05, 2016, 05:53:58 PM
You are a genuis! why did i not think of that before? we should have a system like that think of the $$$$ that would be put in to new developments for are gaming expereince? an ENGINE BOOST would also be covered under soupin up your plane. I think i will need to make a new thread for that wish give me time though i got to think this one through. Though thanks for the idea Zimme i will give you credit for it when i write it up not like i am stealing your idea sir. :cool:

 :salute


Dont waste your time. Its already been brought up many many times, there are many many reasons why that type of game model is not fun in this game.

Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Zimme83 on July 05, 2016, 05:58:20 PM
You are a genuis! why did i not think of that before? we should have a system like that think of the $$$$ that would be put in to new developments for are gaming expereince? an ENGINE BOOST would also be covered under soupin up your plane. I think i will need to make a new thread for that wish give me time though i got to think this one through. Though thanks for the idea Zimme i will give you credit for it when i write it up not like i am stealing your idea sir. :cool:

 :salute

You are welcome, glad I could help you. I will send you the bill.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Oldman731 on July 05, 2016, 08:53:16 PM
You are a genuis! why did i not think of that before? we should have a system like that think of the $$$$ that would be put in to new developments for are gaming expereince? an ENGINE BOOST would also be covered under soupin up your plane. I think i will need to make a new thread for that wish give me time though i got to think this one through. Though thanks for the idea Zimme i will give you credit for it when i write it up not like i am stealing your idea sir.


As I suspected, this thread is a troll.

- oldman
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Scca on July 06, 2016, 09:36:04 AM
Bushmills, read this carefully....

One of the best things about this game is that everyone has access to the same exact planes, and it's all about a pilot's skill.

No offense, but you will find this is why many of us play this game...  No power ups, no pay more to get better planes, nothing but skill.  If someone doesn't like that aspect of the game, then they can quit if they want to.  No trophies for participation in AH, and I (and many others) like it that way...

That said, if you want some help, let me know.  I will be glad to show you a trick or two...
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: bustr on July 06, 2016, 12:13:36 PM
You are a genuis! why did i not think of that before? we should have a system like that think of the $$$$ that would be put in to new developments for are gaming expereince? an ENGINE BOOST would also be covered under soupin up your plane. I think i will need to make a new thread for that wish give me time though i got to think this one through. Though thanks for the idea Zimme i will give you credit for it when i write it up not like i am stealing your idea sir. :cool:

 :salute

You mean like war thunder and the personalized skins and pay to play? The soupin up wish has been a staple of the Wish List forum for 15 years. A few years back Hitech made mention of perked ordinance which comes the closest to soupin up. Your wish needs to be very specific from my experience in asking for things. Hitech won't even allow WW2 style squad skins in the game, only a tiny squad logo bitmap on each members plane. Ask for the root of this to be changed if you want any chance for your original wish, then wait about 5 years.

Dear Hitech,

Please change your game from a standards based meritocracy WW2 technology simulation, to a fantasy based anything goes for a buck game.
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: Ramesis on July 06, 2016, 03:20:29 PM
Really?
I suck and don't want and engine boost!
I live and die on my own abilities.
Ram
Title: Re: engine boost for new players
Post by: puller on July 06, 2016, 04:03:01 PM
Wish:

Dear HTC, please allow new players to have an advantage of any type, shape, form, or fashion that way when players re-start their 2 week trials twice a month they can have some sort of advantage over the players that pay their subscription every month.

There...

Is that what we were trying to get at? Cause that's what I've read into from the beginning of this thread...

OH!!!!

I'm IN!!!!  :rofl  :rofl :rofl  :aok