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Title: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Tumor on July 07, 2016, 01:57:52 PM
I keep seeing all these references to "FInd a Safe Place" and "Participation Awards" etc. What's really going on here? Maybe we can have a nice discussion without intentionally offending an entire generation... which given the generation, is likely impossible, but no offense intended young'uns. :old:
Are the Greatest, Boomers and X all that far removed? I distinctly remember my parents squeaking and moaning about what would be X'rs. NOW though, I hear it from them constantly about the "Millennials" and much worse. IMO, Boomers whining about Millennials is a fine example of the old Pot/Kettle thing. That said, not once have I ever heard my Grandfather (90) speak badly about any of them.. none. Hangin out with his ancient friends, same thing. There's a definite difference there.. they don't seem to whine. They DO point at the Govt a lot though, which it seems a everyone who's anyone is doing now.
How different are we and why? I fall into the X category, which I find nauseating but, at least I'm not a Boomer. That's my stance.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Randall172 on July 07, 2016, 02:11:22 PM
I'm a mid - 90s born (millenial?) and from what I've seen throughout history everyone thinks the youngest generation is weird, different, or otherwise not culturally normal.
but in my opinion the internet and the news in general has caused a paranoia of sorts on the numerous dangers (no matter how small) to your children.
ie cyber bullying, vaccines, bird flu, ebola, etc
its simply an effect of information overload that previous generations didn't have.
plus no one wants their children to be discouraged for losing and participation awards are more for memories than anything else.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: FLOOB on July 07, 2016, 02:45:49 PM
The only real diff I can tell is that they've never known a world without the internet. So unlike us they don't realize that the internet isn't reality. They give a toejam about what people type in social media. You've got millenials beating people up, killing others or killing themselves because of internet chat. Which to us seems bass ackward, ridiculous and even hilarious.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Shamus on July 07, 2016, 03:02:48 PM
Anyone who generalizes about an entire group of folks is going to be wrong.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 07, 2016, 03:10:51 PM
As a millenial myself, this couldn't be more true:
The millenial thing is real. There's been numerous discussions, in the military particularly, about dealing with this new mentality, and how the concept of instant gratification, the power of one's own identity over the good of the whole, and need for their feelings to be protected, and how to not only retain but attempt to get good work out of them. Not all millenials are this way, but it's a larger movement in this generation it seems.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Wiley on July 07, 2016, 03:29:46 PM
The only real diff I can tell is that they've never known a world without the internet. So unlike us they don't realize that the internet isn't reality. They give a toejam about what people type in social media. You've got millenials beating people up, killing others or killing themselves because of internet chat. Which to us seems bass ackward, ridiculous and even hilarious.
That kind of thing used to happen in the backwhen on the oldstyle BBS systems.
My personal feeling on a lot of behavior is it hasn't really gotten more prevalent, but due to the internet something happens in some small village in New Mexico and the information is instantly available worldwide if you go looking for it.
No matter what your viewpoint is on something, you can likely find other people on the internet that feel the same way, and you therefore start thinking it's a valid viewpoint. You can see that with the people who want their feelings to be protected and the ability to go through life without being offended, as well as all kinds of conspiracy theorists. And that's not entirely a generational thing in my estimation. Plenty of them are a lot older than millenials.
Wiley.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: EskimoJoe on July 07, 2016, 05:16:59 PM
It's a mad world you older folk have left us inbetweeners. The generation just before millenials, the ones were just old enough to remember where they were when the towers fell. It seems like our generation has to figure out how to fix the problems in our world the generations before us left, and the generation after us doesn't want to deal with.
Somebody should have spanked them, at the very least. I'm not saying with a spoon or paddle or stick, but definitely a darn good spanking.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: WEZEL on July 07, 2016, 06:25:08 PM
Get off my lawn :old:
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Meatwad on July 07, 2016, 06:32:43 PM
It's a mad world you older folk have left us inbetweeners. The generation just before millenials, the ones were just old enough to remember where they were when the towers fell. It seems like our generation has to figure out how to fix the problems in our world the generations before us left, and the generation after us doesn't want to deal with.
Somebody should have spanked them, at the very least. I'm not saying with a spoon or paddle or stick, but definitely a darn good spanking.
Spanking stopped when everyone started crying with giant crocodile tears child abuse
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Spikes on July 07, 2016, 06:36:31 PM
Spanking stopped when everyone started crying with giant crocodile tears child abuse
But that didn't just become the norm overnight, so what changed?
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Rolex on July 07, 2016, 06:36:59 PM
Do 1,000 millennials equal one billiennial?
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: mbailey on July 07, 2016, 06:39:23 PM
Bubble kids (kids so protected from failure it's like they live in a bubble) oh, and time outs. A combination of Both were a perfect recipie for this
Good news is I have 16yrold boy/girl twins....and it makes them sick. I actually over heard my daughter the other day tell one of her friends to "grow a set" and get over it.
There's hope....
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: pembquist on July 07, 2016, 08:01:20 PM
Yeah, those damn millennials, the ones that invented CDO's and CDO squared and CDS"s and drove the economy off a cliff. Oh wait!
Narcissistic personalities and arrogance have been around for ever as has your old man whining. You can get all nostalgic for the pre-antibiotic age or the grand old days of Jim Crow or whatever but aside from the straw-man army most people are doing as well as most people ever have.
Except of course for those Baby Boomers....now THOSE people....yech!
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: NatCigg on July 07, 2016, 08:10:31 PM
Yeah, those damn millennials, the ones that invented CDO's and CDO squared and CDS"s and drove the economy off a cliff. Oh wait!
Narcissistic personalities and arrogance have been around for ever as has your old man whining. You can get all nostalgic for the pre-antibiotic age or the grand old days of Jim Crow or whatever but aside from the straw-man army most people are doing as well as most people ever have.
Except of course for those Baby Boomers....now THOSE people....yech!
Wow... You certainly fit a lot of big words into an empty sentence. At no point was anyone calling for a return to Jim Crow, nor blaming the economic crash on the current 12 year olds. However, the wondering-aloud as to the paradigm shift in attitude, (And please, TRY to convince me that the general outlook on life of this generation isn't different from those that came before) is a perfectly valid topic of conversation.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: BoilerDown on July 08, 2016, 12:02:43 AM
Never blame the kids, blame the system that raised them. Remember that always.
Furthermore, I'm a recent college graduate from Purdue who is significantly older than the typical student. I joined a service organization and got to know many of these millennials. They were a very impressive bunch, full of leadership, volunteerism, and intelligence, even at their young age. They will be and are just fine. Anyone who thinks or says otherwise is judging an entire generation by a few non-representative convenience samples.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Copprhed on July 08, 2016, 01:57:55 AM
Yeah, those damn millennials, the ones that invented CDO's and CDO squared and CDS"s and drove the economy off a cliff. Oh wait!
Narcissistic personalities and arrogance have been around for ever as has your old man whining. You can get all nostalgic for the pre-antibiotic age or the grand old days of Jim Crow or whatever but aside from the straw-man army most people are doing as well as most people ever have.
Except of course for those Baby Boomers....now THOSE people....yech!
Obviously still lives with his parents.....
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: FLOOB on July 08, 2016, 02:05:28 AM
That kind of thing used to happen in the backwhen on the oldstyle BBS systems.
Wiley.
Those were fun times but I don't remember anybody being killed or even beat up. Can't speak for everyone but me and my friends figured out pretty quickly back in the 90s that the internet isn't real life. You don't have to look very far to see that there are a lot of younger folks who haven't seemed to have figured that out yet.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: NatCigg on July 08, 2016, 03:50:22 AM
Im old school/ Video games are make believe opportunities to talk trash. The internet is a waste of time, only good for sports, news, nudes and a means for make believe opportunities to talk trash to the world. :old:
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: MiloMorai on July 08, 2016, 03:57:33 AM
wait til the snowflake generation gets really going.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Chalenge on July 08, 2016, 05:04:39 AM
Anyone who generalizes about an entire group of folks is going to be wrong.
Actually, stereotyping and bigotries are a natural part of engaging with different cultures. It is a survival strategy that allows anyone with limited experience with trading, bartering, and interacting with outside, unfamiliar cultures to succeed. As strange as it seems if you take that away you also take away humanity as it has been for thousands of years.
That's progress for you.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Lusche on July 08, 2016, 05:19:34 AM
it all went downhill when they allowed women to vote! :old:
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: FLOOB on July 08, 2016, 05:26:53 AM
If there really is a problem with millenials, it's the fault of the people who made them that way.
Have you ever raised a child?.?.?. On WEED???
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: LCADolby on July 08, 2016, 07:55:57 AM
How does this work and what am I? Grandparents lived through the WWII, does this therefore make my mother a boomer and me a mellenial? Or is it determined my birthdate? GPs in the 1920s, mother 1960s and me the 1980s.. I'm lost
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: JOACH1M on July 08, 2016, 08:43:26 AM
People who often complain about the millennial generation are often the generation who raised us.
Btw the media plays a huge roll in this.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Wiley on July 08, 2016, 10:11:16 AM
Those were fun times but I don't remember anybody being killed or even beat up. Can't speak for everyone but me and my friends figured out pretty quickly back in the 90s that the internet isn't real life. You don't have to look very far to see that there are a lot of younger folks who haven't seemed to have figured that out yet.
I have anecdotal evidence that a BBS altercation turned into a showdown at ye olde local pub in the mid 90s. The difference is today it would've been on social media and maybe gone viral.
I believe whatever issues are happening are definitely on the shoulders of the parents. A LOT of kids these days aren't raised, they're housed.
I also believe that there are plenty of fine examples of young people in this generation as BoilerDown stated. If a person is so inclined, there's still plenty of opportunity to excel.
What bothers me though, and again I blame the fact that due to the internet stuff that would've never been seen by people outside the room when it happened in the past is suddenly readily available. Like people showing up to job interviews with their parent sitting in on the interview, etc etc. Maybe that did happen a couple times now and again last century, but nobody knew about it.
People talking about microagressions and needing to feel safe and unoffended, you never saw that kind of thing 20 years ago, or if you did there weren't enough people saying it in one spot at one time to gain much traction. All thanks to the ability to communicate.
Wiley.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: NatCigg on July 08, 2016, 11:54:15 AM
How does this work and what am I? Grandparents lived through the WWII, does this therefore make my mother a boomer and me a mellenial? Or is it determined my birthdate? GPs in the 1920s, mother 1960s and me the 1980s.. I'm lost
my guess is you are generation Y. This is high school class 96-2000. generation x, that gave us the college kids/ millennials of today was graduation 90-95, this group grew up on electronics, cable television and MTV. The millennials have grown up post broadband and 9/11, :uhoh IMO we make them watch baseball and sing the national anthem, and hope for the best. :pray
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Rolex on July 08, 2016, 01:44:08 PM
How does this work and what am I? Grandparents lived through the WWII, does this therefore make my mother a boomer and me a mellenial? Or is it determined my birthdate? GPs in the 1920s, mother 1960s and me the 1980s.. I'm lost
You're a Brit...you don't count... :x :bolt:
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: jimbo71 on July 08, 2016, 04:49:26 PM
Millennials .... pfffft
Back in my day we were given lawn darts to play with. It was nature's way of weeding out the "slow kids"
And we watched our families die on The Oregon Trail... of typhoid! :old:
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 08, 2016, 05:12:49 PM
Back in my day we were given lawn darts to play with. It was nature's way of weeding out the "slow kids"
I think that's a big part of it. Between parents sheltering children from any conceived harm to the anonymity of the internet, the idea of consequences to actions are, many times, entirely foreign to this generation.
It's not all of us, not by a long shot, and as has been mentioned, those who break from this mold are often ASTOUNDING individuals, but the rift between the productive and the anchors is growing.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: FLOOB on July 08, 2016, 05:40:52 PM
the idea of consequences to actions are, many times, entirely foreign to this generation.
I was just thinking about that earlier today because somebody posted this thread titled "Unfair Suspension" in the forum of another game.
"I was told i had a name that was against naming laws.. I had a server official contact me and changed my name without warning.. i referred to him as a son of a squeak and now suspended. I apologize for the name calling but this seems a little excessive.. anything i can do for a lift of the suspension please?"
First thing that came to my mind when I read it was Dwight Schrute "Did you grow up in a household without consequences?"
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Tumor on July 10, 2016, 05:32:20 PM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 10, 2016, 06:58:59 PM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Tumor on July 10, 2016, 07:00:48 PM
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 10, 2016, 07:33:52 PM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Coalcat1 on July 10, 2016, 08:04:10 PM
So, going by tumor's logic, myself and a good number of the people I know are waste products just because of the fact that A: parents divorced before they turned 18, B: have no faith to speak of, or C: both. I fall under C, so take from that what you want.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Meatwad on July 10, 2016, 09:25:06 PM
Im number A so I must be just plain radioactive :D
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Tumor on July 11, 2016, 01:46:16 AM
Serenity
I was not pointing out you were wrong. But FWIW my opinion stands... and you're helping. No offense.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Tumor on July 11, 2016, 02:14:24 AM
So, going by tumor's logic, myself and a good number of the people I know are waste products just because of the fact that A: parents divorced before they turned 18, B: have no faith to speak of, or C: both. I fall under C, so take from that what you want.
Good lord... there is NO "not offending" some people. GUESS WHO! lol
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 11, 2016, 07:37:51 AM
Good lord... there is NO "not offending" some people. GUESS WHO! lol
It's not a question of being offended. We aren't. We think your idea is silly, and we think we've offered examples of it not being true.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: LCADolby on July 11, 2016, 09:17:36 AM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: FLOOB on July 11, 2016, 11:45:06 AM
Ha Ha! Dolby totally got rule 14'd!
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: JunkyII on July 11, 2016, 11:59:02 AM
Wait I'm 27....I'm a millenial???? NEVER KNEW!!! :D
I want my space...aka I want to be laying on a secluded beach somewhere drinking a cold one with enough more to make me pass out there...does that make me a millenial??? :aok
:salute
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: pembquist on July 11, 2016, 12:16:16 PM
Hey Serenity: You know its weird but my brain mixed this thread up with another one that began a lot more "stupid entitled millennials" etc. so I was a bit more blustery than maybe was necessary. That said I gotta ask: what big words?
My point is that, sure, "millennials" have a different way of looking at things but I would argue that that has been the case with every generation since Modernity began along with the attendant handwringing, hence the phrase "old man whining." The point of touching on the financial crisis was that for all the grief and worry about Millennials the previous generation has nothing to write home about when it comes to Character and Responsibility. Jim Crow and Antibiotics is not about me saying "you racist btards want to take us back to the dark ages," but is meant to be a reminder that as much as we might pine for a past when things were "better" we tend to forget the negatives and the fact that core beliefs about the way people should behave and think can in hindsight seem like love muffinery.
None of this is terribly helpful I realize but I just wanted to clarify.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Tumor on July 11, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
Looks like we got us a little "safe place" right here. And so it goes....
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 11, 2016, 12:36:39 PM
Hey Serenity: You know its weird but my brain mixed this thread up with another one that began a lot more "stupid entitled millennials" etc. so I was a bit more blustery than maybe was necessary. That said I gotta ask: what big words?
My point is that, sure, "millennials" have a different way of looking at things but I would argue that that has been the case with every generation since Modernity began along with the attendant handwringing, hence the phrase "old man whining." The point of touching on the financial crisis was that for all the grief and worry about Millennials the previous generation has nothing to write home about when it comes to Character and Responsibility. Jim Crow and Antibiotics is not about me saying "you racist btards want to take us back to the dark ages," but is meant to be a reminder that as much as we might pine for a past when things were "better" we tend to forget the negatives and the fact that core beliefs about the way people should behave and think can in hindsight seem like love muffinery.
None of this is terribly helpful I realize but I just wanted to clarify.
Okay, that I get completely. And I DO agree, the previous generations are no angels. Maybe I'm just a cynic, though as a millennial myself, I AM deeply concerned about my generation, more for their seeming inability to actually work toward their goals for the most part. I think society has been diverging as a whole. The good have gotten better (I'm astounded by some of the young entrepreneurs of my generation) but the bad have gotten worse (This "safe space" concept isn't just parody unfortunately...)
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 11, 2016, 12:39:01 PM
Looks like we got us a little "safe place" right here. And so it goes....
How do you figure? You've expressed an opinion. We've disagreed. No one is calling for you to be muzzled, hauled off, or demanding anyone protect us. This is what discourse is. One side has an opinion, the other disagrees, both express their opinions, they walk away in agreement or agree to disagree.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Tumor on July 11, 2016, 12:59:20 PM
How do you figure? You've expressed an opinion. We've disagreed. No one is calling for you to be muzzled, hauled off, or demanding anyone protect us. This is what discourse is. One side has an opinion, the other disagrees, both express their opinions, they walk away in agreement or agree to disagree.
Ok look. The statement you're referring to here was not about you, at all, in any way. Further, the statement I made that had you responding with your own personal situation, was not about "you" either. In fact, it was my (sarcastic) opinion regarding some of the things that have led us to where we are today regarding somewhere around 300,000,000 people... really. There's almost NO way to respond to (your response) that. But, in any case WE are to blame for where we are (regarding Millennials et al) WHATEVER the reason(s).
I believe it to be a worthy discussion... that apparently can't happen here because certain people have problems with definitions. (again, not you).
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: TheBug on July 11, 2016, 01:28:32 PM
Apparently idiots know no age boundary, as it has always been.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: bustr on July 11, 2016, 01:36:55 PM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 11, 2016, 02:24:31 PM
Okay, that I get completely. And I DO agree, the previous generations are no angels. Maybe I'm just a cynic, though as a millennial myself, I AM deeply concerned about my generation, more for their seeming inability to actually work toward their goals for the most part. I think society has been diverging as a whole. The good have gotten better (I'm astounded by some of the young entrepreneurs of my generation) but the bad have gotten worse (This "safe space" concept isn't just parody unfortunately...)
I just wanted to add Everything buster wrote. :old: Im not sure what he said, but knowing millennials are people like me, and growing up entitled, some people are going to spin situations to "use" a millennial for her own good. This is the way it must be, destiny is driven by a man with peculiar ways. Be carefull my friend, and stay thirsty. :cheers:
:noid
P.S. "Your revolution is over, Mr. Lebowski. Condolences. The bums lost. My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose! Do you hear me...." Teach that in school!
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Ramesis on July 13, 2016, 03:10:49 PM
This is just my opinion but I have noticed in my 54 yrs (I am actually 64) that the American culture seems to be in decline since the LBJ era. Some would say the FDR era but I wasn't alive then!! Yes, those generations before mine b*tched and moaned on their following generations but it seems, to me, to be accelerating as with most if not all cultures/empires. The ancient Egyptians (not the Chinese) was the longest lasting and never returned to prominence when conquered by the Greeks. I guess what I am saying is, history teaches us that no culture lasts forever and in my opinion, The U.S.A. is no exception. The question is a matter of when and I believe it begins with generation to generation decline!! By the way, I am a pessimist at heart :old: Ram
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: NatCigg on July 13, 2016, 05:06:43 PM
It starts about age 14 when you know everything, then exacerbated by a self-sustaining education machine. In the end there is a lack of respect for the elders!
Respect!
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Zimme83 on July 13, 2016, 05:13:35 PM
Sign of getting old: Whining about younger generations.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: branch37 on July 14, 2016, 11:45:40 AM
I was at a family reunion this past weekend and as family reunions go, an argument began. As the best available sample there from this generation, the attention was focused on me. Now let me back up a little
Back in June, Laura Bush visited a production of an outdoor musical that I volunteer at every year. Being in the cast/crew section, Mrs Bush approached us with her secret service detail, and upon her approach, spontaneous applause broke out among the cast and crew.
Now fast forward back to my family reunion. When asked if I met Mrs Bush, I said no but I did see her. I mentioned everybody clapping and one of my more outspoken relatives asked if I joined in. I said no. When asked why I stated that she hadn't said or done anything besides prove she could exit a vehicle and walk to the edge of the stage. This was immediately met with several "this generation is the problem...no respect... ". This kind of irritated me. Was I rude? I don't think so. Was I polite? I believe I was as polite as I could have been since we never actually spoke. I respect her as much as I would anybody else. I generally try to be polite and respectful to everybody. That's how I was raised. I listened to her speech, although I wasn't terribly impressed, I gave a polite applause and went about my business. I was told that I should applaud everything she does because her husband was the president. I replied that I wouldn't applaud George W for his walking and waving skills if Laura had been president. Does this make me part of our country's doom?
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Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Hungry on July 14, 2016, 12:28:52 PM
Branch put it this way, I would have applauded due to what I consider the polite thing to do, although I admit if it was someone else I may not have. Each circumstance is different through out any generation, as long as you know why your doing what your doing individually not because the group does it I suspect it had more to do with politics but don't want to get political and get the thread dumped.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: NatCigg on July 14, 2016, 01:04:31 PM
You would applaud the first lady, guy. This is out of RESPECT for her, her family, and the country. While you are a bit young to understand what she has done, your not to young to get smacked behind the head. For perspective sake you need to understand, she is a mother; she presented herself, her family, her country with class; Her family has been ridiculed beyond comparison to almost anyone in a history book. And, you could not write down five things she did in her life. :old:
Like all children, you will gain your knowledge with experience. :old:
RESPECT!
:salute
P.S. Its politics. :rofl :bolt:
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: branch37 on July 14, 2016, 01:12:45 PM
I will be the first to admit that I don't know much about her. When she was the First Lady I was in Jr. High and high school. I NEVER said I didn't respect her. I was taught better than that. If I knew more about her I'm sure I would have done differently. Let's be honest. What high school kid gives a crap about politics? And you are right she is a classy lady from a classy family, but that's about as far as my knowledge of her goes.
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Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 14, 2016, 02:19:37 PM
Wow, it's funny, but I'm with branch. The ability to exit a car doesn't really deserve applause. It's not a lack of respect, it's a matter of context. After a good speech I will certainly applaud. But applauding just for someone walking up just sounds silly to me.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Hungry on July 14, 2016, 02:48:12 PM
Wow, it's funny, but I'm with branch. The ability to exit a car doesn't really deserve applause. It's not a lack of respect, it's a matter of context. After a good speech I will certainly applaud. But applauding just for someone walking up just sounds silly to me.
Bull if the old or young brain doesn't analyze the situation any faster or different than that you're missing 3/4 qtrs. of the situation at hand, although I'll admit many would applaud a sports figure for just getting out of the car, I wouldn't, nor an actor or an actress
Maybe its got something to do with whether or not I "Think" they think they deserve the applause for just getting out of the car.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Traveler on July 14, 2016, 04:01:36 PM
I am a retired boomer, I still do flight instruction and deal with young and old alike. With the new requirements for pilot training and such it falls on the CFI to ensure via proof of ID and citizenship before we can actually start providing flight lessons to a student pilot applicant. I teach via CFR 14 Part 61 and I provide written lesson plans via the FAA that require both the student and I to affix our signatures to the bottom of each completed lesson plan. I actually have several young student that can’t at the age of 18, can’t sign their name in cursive. It seems that some or all of the schools have stopped teaching students how to write in cursive. I wonder what the banks are doing?
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: branch37 on July 14, 2016, 04:12:56 PM
I never really understood the cursive writing thing. Yes I was taught how, and yes I can, but I don't. My signature looks like garbage but so do most people's. It's harder to forge that way.
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Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: MiloMorai on July 14, 2016, 04:30:52 PM
I never really understood the cursive writing thing. Yes I was taught how, and yes I can, but I don't. My signature looks like garbage but so do most people's. It's harder to forge that way.
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Actually, it is easier to forge.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: TheBug on July 14, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
You know it and I know it, you're no good Branch. Don't be upset that your family is on to you.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Traveler on July 14, 2016, 06:11:24 PM
I never really understood the cursive writing thing. Yes I was taught how, and yes I can, but I don't. My signature looks like garbage but so do most people's. It's harder to forge that way.
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Well until the FAA tells me that they will accept the printed name, the documents must be signed in cursive. So Every student pilot applicant that I teach I have to teach to sign their name. Some have a flair for it.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 14, 2016, 07:13:35 PM
I am a retired boomer, I still do flight instruction and deal with young and old alike. With the new requirements for pilot training and such it falls on the CFI to ensure via proof of ID and citizenship before we can actually start providing flight lessons to a student pilot applicant. I teach via CFR 14 Part 61 and I provide written lesson plans via the FAA that require both the student and I to affix our signatures to the bottom of each completed lesson plan. I actually have several young student that can’t at the age of 18, can’t sign their name in cursive. It seems that some or all of the schools have stopped teaching students how to write in cursive. I wonder what the banks are doing?
Is funny you run into that issue, as I'm 23 and write almost exclusively in cursive. Military forms are tough for me, because I have to focus on not slipping from block letters into cursive lol. But then again, I also prefer to write with a fountain pen. I'm weird.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Traveler on July 14, 2016, 08:24:21 PM
Is funny you run into that issue, as I'm 23 and write almost exclusively in cursive. Military forms are tough for me, because I have to focus on not slipping from block letters into cursive lol. But then again, I also prefer to write with a fountain pen. I'm weird.
I think the difference is that you were educated in how to write and my issue is really with the school system that is around me in the state of NJ. It appears to me that they have short changed these young people.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 14, 2016, 10:10:52 PM
I think the difference is that you were educated in how to write and my issue is really with the school system that is around me in the state of NJ. It appears to me that they have short changed these young people.
Very true. Even in my school system it was VERY rare. I just had one AP English teacher in high school that insisted everything hand-written be in cursive, and ever since it's stuck!
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: branch37 on July 15, 2016, 07:25:19 AM
I was taught cursive in 3rd grade and forced to write that way up through 5th grade IIRC. Then it just disappeared.
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Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: branch37 on July 15, 2016, 07:26:28 AM
I was taught cursive in 3rd grade and forced to write that way up through 5th grade IIRC. Then it just disappeared.
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It didn't disappear, your school system just dropped the requirement. There is a difference. Unless the courts are going to change legally defined documents and legal requirements. The things that we do everyday that require a signature in the business world would amaze you.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: NatCigg on July 15, 2016, 11:37:58 AM
Very true. Even in my school system it was VERY rare. I just had one AP English teacher in high school that insisted everything hand-written be in cursive, and ever since it's stuck!
It is fascinating, this human experience. we can get taught something and it is as if it was meant to be, a life changer, a new perspective. without the education, IT does not exist, gone from our reality. This could be the main factor of this thread, The children are being taught, or not being taught, and there reality is different than ours because there experience is different, and in our eyes lacking. This concept is nothing new, It is the basis for how history repeats itself.
:salute
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: redcatcherb412 on July 15, 2016, 05:30:14 PM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: NatCigg on July 15, 2016, 10:16:08 PM
"Baby boomer parenting was getting your friends on a Saturday early, grabbing canteens, making sack lunches, grabbing your .22 and setting out on an all day hike across desert, climbing to Sandia Crest from the La Luz trail in Albuquerque. Dragging home after dark and parents ask 'what you do today ?'. Forgot to mention, you were 12-13 yrs old and 5 year later dragging an m16 in the boonies in Vietnam."
- redcatcherb412
EPIC! :aok :old:
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Traveler on July 15, 2016, 10:37:52 PM
I was in the Boy Scouts in the early 60's and very lucky that the troop I was in was very active in camping. Our Scout Master and a few of the Fathers of boys were very active and I remember camping just about every weekend in the spring, summer and fall and a few of the winter weekends, camping in the snow. Later and older, I was a team medic in the 5th Special Forces and their training for how to live in the field was not as extensive as the training I had already learned in the Boy Scouts. My experience in living in Vietnam for 18 months was pretty much a daily back packing ordeal followed by sleeping (when it was my turn) in a different hole in the ground every night.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Randall172 on July 16, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: NatCigg on July 18, 2016, 08:24:15 AM
My statement would hold true for them. I would hold my applause until we had a sit down chat about there stubborn irresponsibility. But that's because of my opinion, not a lack of respect.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 18, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
My statement would hold true for them. I would hold my applause until we had a sit down chat about there stubborn irresponsibility. But that's because of my opinion, not a lack of respect.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say that one person holding their applause is wrong because it's disrespectful, but when you do it it's okay because it's your opinion.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: bustr on July 18, 2016, 02:24:10 PM
I grew up on military posts around the world. At the theater you stood for the intro star spangled banner short before every feature. You stopped and faced the flag at the end of day ceremony at some posts even if you were only a dependent. The first time I was in a civilian theater when I was 13, it was a culture shock when the previews started and then went into the main feature. I grew up on posts until I was 13 while the only US posting I was at, 2nd-3rd grade years, and my father didn't allow us off the post without being with us due to working cold war USAF Security Services. He worked for SAC as a Russian transmission translator.
I watched from 13 until now a very slow relaxing in social standards for public respect of the president, military, and the flag. Some of that was learned by children because you learned respect of country at home, public school, and when you are out in the public learning to fit in. And some people used to fake the respect or else, because the social majority practiced it and didn't tolerate disrespect of it. Today the social majority don't and we have fewer who reflexively respect the position of the president and those associated to that position.
Pragmatically holding your applause as an adult is one thing and a choice of conscience. In public school and even what passed for public school on military posts in the past, you were told it was the proper polite thing to applaud public figures who represented our government especially the first lady. I will venture that was at a time the public majority practiced respect of the president, military and flag.
I've had the opportunity to watch times change where respect for social institutions has gone from being expected as part of your civic duty, to something that can get you fired or taken to court if it is the wrong social institution.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Ramesis on July 18, 2016, 02:34:04 PM
I grew up on military posts around the world. At the theater you stood for the intro star spangled banner short before every feature. You stopped and faced the flag at the end of day ceremony at some posts even if you were only a dependent. The first time I was in a civilian theater when I was 13, it was a culture shock when the previews started and then went into the main feature. I grew up on posts until I was 13 while the only US posting I was at, 2nd-3rd grade years, and my father didn't allow us off the post without being with us due to working cold war USAF Security Services. He worked for SAC as a Russian transmission translator.
I watched from 13 until now a very slow relaxing in social standards for public respect of the president, military, and the flag. Some of that was learned by children because you learned respect of country at home, public school, and when you are out in the public learning to fit in. And some people used to fake the respect or else, because the social majority practiced it and didn't tolerate disrespect of it. Today the social majority don't and we have fewer who reflexively respect the position of the president and those associated to that position.
Pragmatically holding your applause as an adult is one thing and a choice of conscience. In public school and even what passed for public school on military posts in the past, you were told it was the proper polite thing to applaud public figures who represented our government especially the first lady. I will venture that was at a time the public majority practiced respect of the president, military and flag.
I've had the opportunity to watch times change where respect for social institutions has gone from being expected as part of your civic duty, to something that can get you fired or taken to court if it is the wrong social institution.
bustr... you said the above with more eloquence than I did early in this thread :salute Ram
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: pembquist on July 18, 2016, 02:48:52 PM
You can't have it both ways. You can't say that one person holding their applause is wrong because it's disrespectful, but when you do it it's okay because it's your opinion.
I don't know, this seems like a time honored practice to me! It kind of goes along with "we are all equal just some of us more so".
Regardless, Serenity I wonder if when you say a lot of your peers seem incapable of working towards goals what you are seeing is not exceptional to any generation. I don't have a lot of first hand experience with aimless millenials but I have met more than a few aimless boomers Xers Yers and what not. It could be that since you seem to be a very focused kind of a person you are a little appalled at what is just the ordinary distribution of ambition in human society and as you travel further in life your expectations for humanity will diminish. After all somebody said: "everyone is trying to do their best but sometimes their best is pretty sh......y."
On the other end of the scale I have met more than a few millennials I would characterize as ferocious competitors, sharp elbowed, focused and very very ambitious. Since we are indulging in stereotyping I might add that a lot of young immigrants and the children of immigrants do not seem to have any ambivalence about striving. I find the whole generational parsing of the population to be lazy thinking and even if their is some truth in it, it is way overly broad, folding in people with vastly different life experience into some sort of over educated coffee swilling urbanite hipster layabout strawman, waiting for their ship to come in and being aggrieved when it doesn't.
The remorseless use of words like Character and Respect I find completely unpersuasive and hollow when used in argument. I surely believe that there is such a thing as character and I certainly subscribe to being respectful but most of the time when people begin to cite the absence of these I begin to hear stone casting Saudis getting their panties in a twist about sombody's love life or women drivers.
No offense intended.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: NatCigg on July 18, 2016, 02:54:00 PM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: NatCigg on July 18, 2016, 02:59:52 PM
most of the time when people begin to cite the absence of these I begin to hear stone casting Saudis getting their panties in a twist about sombody's love life or women drivers.
It was difficult to delete such creative writing but this last statement is fantastic and needs a applause.
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:aok thumbs up will have to do.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Rich46yo on July 18, 2016, 08:24:23 PM
I remember a world without color TV.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Traveler on July 19, 2016, 08:53:34 AM
I remember a world with no TV.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Lusche on July 19, 2016, 08:56:29 AM
I remember having no world at all. But then I said "Let There Be Light" ... and it went downhill from there ... :uhoh
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Hungry on July 19, 2016, 09:09:27 AM
I remember a world with no TV, but it was our choice, out the door and on the run, there was a whole big relatively safe world out there to explore and experience
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: TheBug on July 19, 2016, 09:15:34 AM
It's still out there.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Zimme83 on July 19, 2016, 09:39:15 AM
World is safer now than ever before, only difference is how the bad thing is presented to us. It used to be 5 mins on the news and then in the newspaper, now it is everywhere all the time.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Ramesis on July 19, 2016, 03:25:05 PM
World is safer now than ever before, only difference is how the bad thing is presented to us. It used to be 5 mins on the news and then in the newspaper, now it is everywhere all the time.
This begs the question. Why then are the parents of today so protective of their kids? Ram
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Wiley on July 19, 2016, 03:27:12 PM
This begs the question. Why then are the parents of today so protective of their kids? Ram
Probably partly because of what Zimme described - the bad stuff " is everywhere all the time." The perception of levels of safety/danger are very much subjective.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Zimme83 on July 19, 2016, 04:02:40 PM
The safer we get the more afraid we become - sort of.
in fact we are so safe now that most people have never encountered 'Death or disaster', unlike the good ol' Days were 20 % of kids never reached the age of 5. I meet a lot of people on the hospital that cannot cope with their 95 year old relative is going to die, because they have never experienced it Before. Death is no longer a natural part of our Lives. We also tends to be more afraid of things that are unfamiliar, we are more scared of terrorists than of our neighbour despite the fact that its much more likely that our neighbour will hurt us.
The World is not collapsing, its just the way it feels.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Shuffler on July 19, 2016, 04:23:32 PM
I see people who think they love this country, lower our Flag for almost anything that happens today. The Flag is to be lowered on the passing of Heads Of State.
Folks doing so otherwise are showing disrespect for our Flag and our Country.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: bustr on July 20, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
The article linked from Patrick Deneen, Minding the Campus, February 2, 2016. At least for America, can help us to not apply a blanket label called "millennial". Instead look at a process that has been in place to achieve an outcome for fitting this generation into another culture some of us do not agree with, which elevates the denial of America as a core principle to fitting in.
Calling them millennials does both sides a disservice since not all of them fit the model most see in their mind when they hear "millennial". The greater grievance which seems to be lost upon the millennial generation, is their lack of common western classical knowledge and social norms which has been required up until their generation, to maintain the unique culture called America. The 100 great works of western civilization are no longer required reading or encountered in most public institutions other than as a component of a specialized degree.
They seem to be very conflicted on what is America, what is an American, and lack any attachment to the visceral national identity of being an American. So at this point, we might as well be south america, china, or even syria from their point of view so long as they have jobs, the internet and what ever else gets them through the day.
I see people who think they love this country, lower our Flag for almost anything that happens today. The Flag is to be lowered on the passing of Heads Of State.
Folks doing so otherwise are showing disrespect for our Flag and our Country.
Maybe it's not proper flag etiquette, but lowering the flag for policemen murdered in the line of duty seems more worthy than it does for the death of a politician.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Zimme83 on July 20, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Don't know the rules in the US but over here it's appropriate to lower the flag as a sign of mourning even if it's 'only' a family member.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: branch37 on July 20, 2016, 08:26:23 PM
The article linked from Patrick Deneen, Minding the Campus, February 2, 2016. At least for America, can help us to not apply a blanket label called "millennial". Instead look at a process that has been in place to achieve an outcome for fitting this generation into another culture some of us do not agree with, which elevates the denial of America as a core principle to fitting in.
Calling them millennials does both sides a disservice since not all of them fit the model most see in their mind when they hear "millennial". The greater grievance which seems to be lost upon the millennial generation, is their lack of common western classical knowledge and social norms which has been required up until their generation, to maintain the unique culture called America. The 100 great works of western civilization are no longer required reading or encountered in most public institutions other than as a component of a specialized degree.
They seem to be very conflicted on what is America, what is an American, and lack any attachment to the visceral national identity of being an American. So at this point, we might as well be south america, china, or even syria from their point of view so long as they have jobs, the internet and what ever else gets them through the day.
Most of the classic literature pieces are banned from public schools for being "offensive". I'll leave it at that, but that brings up another point about my generation. When did everybody become so frickin sensitive?? Somebody hurt your feelings? Who cares!?! Sort it out and move on.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: NatCigg on July 20, 2016, 09:10:43 PM
The article linked from Patrick Deneen, Minding the Campus, February 2, 2016. At least for America, can help us to not apply a blanket label called "millennial". Instead look at a process that has been in place to achieve an outcome for fitting this generation into another culture some of us do not agree with, which elevates the denial of America as a core principle to fitting in.
Calling them millennials does both sides a disservice since not all of them fit the model most see in their mind when they hear "millennial". The greater grievance which seems to be lost upon the millennial generation, is their lack of common western classical knowledge and social norms which has been required up until their generation, to maintain the unique culture called America. The 100 great works of western civilization are no longer required reading or encountered in most public institutions other than as a component of a specialized degree.
They seem to be very conflicted on what is America, what is an American, and lack any attachment to the visceral national identity of being an American. So at this point, we might as well be south america, china, or even syria from their point of view so long as they have jobs, the internet and what ever else gets them through the day.
Very interesting. I'm reminded of the 60s counter culture. The movement is strong, I would like see this "revolution" introduce a 4th party and get things back to the old days!
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Coalcat1 on July 20, 2016, 09:43:47 PM
Maybe it's not proper flag etiquette, but lowering the flag for policemen murdered in the line of duty seems more worthy than it does for the death of a politician.
Lowering the flag to half staff on days such as September 11 and December 7 as well seems respectful at the least.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Shuffler on July 20, 2016, 10:55:04 PM
Lowering the flag to half staff on days such as September 11 and December 7 as well seems respectful at the least.
While you may think so it is not. Today people have so little respect for our flag that they lower it for most anything. I'd prefer they not fly our flag at all if they are going to disrespect it so.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Rolex on July 21, 2016, 09:13:33 AM
There are car dealers (Right Toyota, Right Honda and Pinnacle Nissan) down the street from me in my Scottsdale place. One, Pinnacle, flies a nasty, dirty flag and all three leave them them up all night unlit.
They never fly them correctly. They are at half mast for weeks at a time after they decide to fly them at half mast. They are at full mast when they're supposed to be at half mast.
Naturally, all the idiot companies along the street flollow what they do, since their wrongly flown flags are at the top of the highest poles.
I've called a few times to tell them the flag was supposed to be at full mast a week ago (for example) and they got angry at me. I didn't think about hiding my phone number, but I should of, because I started getting harrassing phone calls from them.
The flag seems to be nothing more than a sales tool now.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Traveler on July 21, 2016, 09:35:04 AM
I see people who think they love this country, lower our Flag for almost anything that happens today. The Flag is to be lowered on the passing of Heads Of State.
Folks doing so otherwise are showing disrespect for our Flag and our Country.
That's not what the code says, The US Code for the flag does not say "Heads of State" and it allows the President and State Governors to order the lowering of the flag and define the period that the flag will be at half staff.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Traveler on July 21, 2016, 10:21:42 AM
While you may think so it is not. Today people have so little respect for our flag that they lower it for most anything. I'd prefer they not fly our flag at all if they are going to disrespect it so.
(d) The flag should be displayed on all days, especially on New Year’s Day, January 1; Inauguration Day, January 20; Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday, third Monday in January; Lincoln’s Birthday, February 12; Washington’s Birthday, third Monday in February; Easter Sunday (variable); Mother’s Day, second Sunday in May; Armed Forces Day, third Saturday in May; Memorial Day (half-staff until noon), the last Monday in May; Flag Day, June 14; Father’s Day, third Sunday in June; Independence Day, July 4; National Korean War Veterans Armistice Day, July 27; Labor Day, first Monday in September; Constitution Day, September 17; Columbus Day, second Monday in October; Navy Day, October 27; Veterans Day, November 11; Thanksgiving Day, fourth Thursday in November; Christmas Day, December 25; and such other days as may be proclaimed by the President of the United States; the birthdays of States (date of admission); and on State holidays.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Shuffler on July 21, 2016, 10:24:40 AM
(d) The flag should be displayed on all days, especially on New Year’s Day, January 1; Inauguration Day, January 20; Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday, third Monday in January; Lincoln’s Birthday, February 12; Washington’s Birthday, third Monday in February; Easter Sunday (variable); Mother’s Day, second Sunday in May; Armed Forces Day, third Saturday in May; Memorial Day (half-staff until noon), the last Monday in May; Flag Day, June 14; Father’s Day, third Sunday in June; Independence Day, July 4; National Korean War Veterans Armistice Day, July 27; Labor Day, first Monday in September; Constitution Day, September 17; Columbus Day, second Monday in October; Navy Day, October 27; Veterans Day, November 11; Thanksgiving Day, fourth Thursday in November; Christmas Day, December 25; and such other days as may be proclaimed by the President of the United States; the birthdays of States (date of admission); and on State holidays.
You might as well burn it like the demo protesting yesterday tried to.
You have no respect for our flag.
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Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: TheBug on July 21, 2016, 10:36:30 AM
Might want to get your facts straight before you go off half cocked there claiming to be some great patriot.
The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States or the death of a member of the Armed Forces from any State, territory, or possession who dies while serving on active duty, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff, and the same authority is provided to the Mayor of the District of Columbia with respect to present or former officials of the District of Columbia and members of the Armed Forces from the District of Columbia. When the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, or the Mayor of the District of Columbia, issues a proclamation under the preceding sentence that the National flag be flown at half-staff in that State, territory, or possession or in the District of Columbia because of the death of a member of the Armed Forces, the National flag flown at any Federal installation or facility in the area covered by that proclamation shall be flown at half-staff consistent with that proclamation. The flag shall be flown at half-staff 30 days from the death of the President or a former President; 10 days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. The flag shall be flown at half-staff on Peace Officers Memorial Day, unless that day is also Armed Forces Day. As used in this subsection— (1) the term “half-staff” means the position of the flag when it is one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff;
(2) the term “executive or military department” means any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United States Code; and
(3) the term “Member of Congress” means a Senator, a Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: bustr on July 21, 2016, 11:03:09 AM
Most of the classic literature pieces are banned from public schools for being "offensive". I'll leave it at that, but that brings up another point about my generation. When did everybody become so frickin sensitive?? Somebody hurt your feelings? Who cares!?! Sort it out and move on.
The article explains this self fulfilling vicious circle. The 100 great works teach individualism, critical thinking, principled conduct, and moral absolutes. That is why they are banned from publics schools in favor of membership in the collective for the common good based on social justice wrapped up in moral ambiguity. Hurt feelings are todays social morality acting as the same peer control as we experienced in the past when we pledged allegiance to the flag every morning in grade school and went to Sunday school.
A single culturally disassociated generation has been the holy grail since the 50's to fundamentally changing America. It has always been there in the writings of the early American communist and socialist party's and the founder of the ACLU's biography. Like no one in 1970 would have taken you seriously predicting gay marriage would win in the supreme court 45 years later. No one took seriously that children were not being taught American values in public school starting in the late 60's building into an avalanche of anti Americanism and anti critical thinking by 2016.
Much of internet dialoged reads like twitter while the participants shame you for trying to use principled critical thinking to write responses longer than a few sentences. How did so many learn the same attitude in the vacuum of their individuality?
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: NatCigg on July 21, 2016, 11:36:57 AM
me me me! Pick me! *raises hand <-------- <--- <-- <-
agh-hum, The Internet.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Traveler on July 21, 2016, 12:00:36 PM
You might as well burn it like the demo protesting yesterday tried to.
You have no respect for our flag.
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You sir are an idiot. I have a great deal of respect for our nations flag. What I copied and posted was from the Federal Code that governs the keeping and displaying of our flag. The actual code. I suggest that you read the entire code before you shoot off your mouth. It appears that you don't know what you are whining about.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: TheBug on July 21, 2016, 12:15:45 PM
And look Shuffler isn't a millennial. :rofl
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Tumor on July 21, 2016, 01:18:49 PM
The article explains this self fulfilling vicious circle. The 100 great works teach individualism, critical thinking, principled conduct, and moral absolutes. That is why they are banned from publics schools in favor of membership in the collective for the common good based on social justice wrapped up in moral ambiguity. Hurt feelings are todays social morality acting as the same peer control as we experienced in the past when we pledged allegiance to the flag every morning in grade school and went to Sunday school.
A single culturally disassociated generation has been the holy grail since the 50's to fundamentally changing America. It has always been there in the writings of the early American communist and socialist party's and the founder of the ACLU's biography. Like no one in 1970 would have taken you seriously predicting gay marriage would win in the supreme court 45 years later. No one took seriously that children were not being taught American values in public school starting in the late 60's building into an avalanche of anti Americanism and anti critical thinking by 2016.
Much of internet dialoged reads like twitter while the participants shame you for trying to use principled critical thinking to write responses longer than a few sentences. How did so many learn the same attitude in the vacuum of their individuality?
OOOOoooooohhh! You askin for it bustr!
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Shuffler on July 21, 2016, 02:02:10 PM
You sir are an idiot. I have a great deal of respect for our nations flag. What I copied and posted was from the Federal Code that governs the keeping and displaying of our flag. The actual code. I suggest that you read the entire code before you shoot off your mouth. It appears that you don't know what you are whining about.
I refer you to U.S. Code 4 Section 7. I won't lower myself to name call on like you millennial.
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Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: TheBug on July 21, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Umm, what I cut and pasted was from section 7 and what Traveler cut and pasted was from section 6. So you saying he has no respect for the flag, especially since I believe he is a combat veteran, makes you an idiot as he stated. I believe the reply you were looking for was "I'm sorry I misspoke there are other occasions the flag may be flown at half-staff and I'm not the great patriot I like to believe I am".
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Shuffler on July 21, 2016, 02:18:33 PM
You kids want to lower the flag every day.
No wonder we have marines killing LEOS.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Lusche on July 21, 2016, 02:29:03 PM
I have to admit I am flabbergasted by the recent postings in this thread... :headscratch:
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: TheBug on July 21, 2016, 02:37:10 PM
Pretty sure Shuffler is playing the troll today.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 21, 2016, 03:25:21 PM
I refer you to U.S. Code 4 Section 7. I won't lower myself to name call on like you millennial.
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Read it. Busted out my USMC flag manual as well, just in case there was something conflicting there. There isn't. You're not correct, and you're acting awfully aggressively against folks who are showing no disrespect.
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Shuffler on July 21, 2016, 04:38:32 PM
Read it. Busted out my USMC flag manual as well, just in case there was something conflicting there. There isn't. You're not correct, and you're acting awfully aggressively against folks who are showing no disrespect.
I get real pissed when I see folks trying to burn the flag. Like those turds last night.
....and yes with yall all checking and finding different info.... I am obviously wrong. My Flag is only lowered as I was taught.
I apologize for my mistake and busting yalls chops over our Flag. Please feel free to shoot my 38 down at will.
Hey wait..... yall already do that.
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Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: guncrasher on July 21, 2016, 05:12:00 PM
I get real pissed when I see folks trying to burn the flag. Like those turds last night.
....and yes with yall all checking and finding different info.... I am obviously wrong. My Flag is only lowered as I was taught.
I apologize for my mistake and busting yalls chops over our Flag. Please feel free to shoot my 38 down at will.
Hey wait..... yall already do that.
Sent from the far side of the Sun using my Note 4
those morons have a right under the constitution to burn the flag if they choose to. me myself I have never flown a flag as most that do, do it for either "show and tell" or because they think they are "more patriotic than most" just for flying the flag. either I find it offensive.
semp
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Shuffler on July 21, 2016, 06:37:29 PM
those morons have a right under the constitution to burn the flag if they choose to. me myself I have never flown a flag as most that do, do it for either "show and tell" or because they think they are "more patriotic than most" just for flying the flag. either I find it offensive.
semp
I have a neighbor who's wife is from Nam. She got out when we left there. She has told me many times how she loves waking up in the morning and looking out the window and seeing our Flag waving in the breeze.
It doesn't make you less patriotic not having one in your yard. It is nice to see in the neighborhood though.
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Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Serenity on July 21, 2016, 07:06:51 PM
those morons have a right under the constitution to burn the flag if they choose to. me myself I have never flown a flag as most that do, do it for either "show and tell" or because they think they are "more patriotic than most" just for flying the flag. either I find it offensive.
semp
You got to start somewhere. If you protest your kid will not!
Title: Re: What's with these "Millenials"?
Post by: Skuzzy on July 22, 2016, 06:14:03 AM