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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: MADe on July 13, 2016, 09:39:35 AM
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10 cores, 20 threads, $1700+ US.
Many you peeps already up on this puppy, but I started poking and now I want it but cannot afford it.
So wheres the compromise, best bang 4 buck, OC'able, alternative?
http://edgeup.asus.com/2016/06/17/broadwell-e-overclocking-guide/4/
TBH I am not so interested in cores as much as I am cpu freq., I want to get 5GHz stable! with at minimum a quad core, preferred a 6 core. air cooled.......
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3076158/components/intels-broadwell-e-gaming-cpu-is-a-stunner-offering-10-cores-for-a-whopping-1723.html
Noticed theres a new Intel boost method and usb boost so need to include.......I want a desktop with server under the hood.
Most likely a Gigabyte LGA 2011 mobo, with just a single pci-e slot, maybe 2..........
I blame this on G-man, his ability to have constant access to goodies and stuff makes me itchy.
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Also will add this. I have some old working machines, all my builds still function. I am gonna do a case dance and free up a HAF 32 case for new build. When done I will have a P 3.06 Intel cpu machine. What could I do with it, teamspeak server..............? it will run XP Pro sp2. I hate waste, gotta be something that old doggy can do.
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You don't need anything close to 10 cores (20 threads) to run aces high. You won't need anything more than 4 cores to get the best possible gaming experience. In fact you will experience diminishing returns with higher core counts as you spend more money but get less performance in return.
Anything from the i5 lineup should really be fine.
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The 6950 and 6900 are pretty amazing for apps/editing/etc, but as the other poster stated, all my testing for games with my 2 B-E boxes vs 6700k, the 6700k is almost dead even in an overall test of about 20 games, and is a lot, lot cheaper.
X99Broadwell E has some neat features if you use them though, nice MBs as well, and again, if you have say a youtube channel and are processing a lot of video and that sort of thing, the 6950x would be worth the $ IMO, as crazy at it is. Seeing a guy at NCIX with one, and he said even compared to his 5960x it's ridiculously fast for his video work.
What I've done with my old hardware MADe is turn the old systems into home theater PCs, stuff like that. It's surprising how well an old platform can work doing this task, and even with older 5770 or newer 750ti cheap vid cards in them, can actually play some PC games on the big screen without using nVidia link or Steam link type equipment. Every TV we have has an HTPC hooked up to it, I like it for all the TV apps out there, I haven't had cable in 2 years now, and don't miss it, ever.
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10 cores, 20 threads, $1700+ US.
Many you peeps already up on this puppy, but I started poking and now I want it but cannot afford it.
So wheres the compromise, best bang 4 buck, OC'able, alternative?
http://edgeup.asus.com/2016/06/17/broadwell-e-overclocking-guide/4/
TBH I am not so interested in cores as much as I am cpu freq., I want to get 5GHz stable! with at minimum a quad core, preferred a 6 core. air cooled.......
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3076158/components/intels-broadwell-e-gaming-cpu-is-a-stunner-offering-10-cores-for-a-whopping-1723.html
Noticed theres a new Intel boost method and usb boost so need to include.......I want a desktop with server under the hood.
Most likely a Gigabyte LGA 2011 mobo, with just a single pci-e slot, maybe 2..........
I blame this on G-man, his ability to have constant access to goodies and stuff makes me itchy.
:salute
Also will add this. I have some old working machines, all my builds still function. I am gonna do a case dance and free up a HAF 32 case for new build. When done I will have a P 3.06 Intel cpu machine. What could I do with it, teamspeak server..............? it will run XP Pro sp2. I hate waste, gotta be something that old doggy can do.
Hi MADe,
Sounds to me like you would go for the Intel I7 6850 CPU........according to Gman's testing it's pretty much on par w\ the Intel I7 6700K CPU from a desktop gaming perspective but it also should give some decent low-level server usage performance as well. Heck, you may even go for the I7 6800K CPU....which for all practical purposes is an I7 5820K on a smaller process node but you'd also be giving up 12 PCI-E dedicated lanes (from 40 to 28)......
You really serious about a Gigabyte X99 mobo equipped w\ only 1 or 2 PCI-E x16 slot(s) on it? To do double duty as a low-level server?
Unless there is a new Gigabyte X99 mobo that's just come out that I haven't seen the only 1 that comes close to meeting your wishes is the Gigabyte X99M Gaming 5 mobo in the G1 Gaming series which is limited to 64Gb of mem capacity and no support for ECC mem, not to mention some other shortcomings if server duty is desired on the side..................
Its just me trying to "see" what you're thinking when you posted this.......I know you've put more into this than what I'm reasoning so I'm curious as to just what you're wanting to accomplish when\if you do move on this build...........
I'm in the process of expanding my home LAN to include another wireless router connected to my existing wireless modem\router to extend service to the other end of our house and am thinking bout including a NAS in it as well so you might give me some ideas that I could implement in my system........
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For most games the 6700k is better than the 6850. Even the Anandtech benchmarks pretty much prove that out. I've been watching the render threads and the presence of the faster GPUs and GPU accelerators really helps the 6850, but in games that advantage is never seen. Multithreading apps go to the 6850, and games the 6700. That may change as the next gen of GPUs and games hit us in 2018, but then we will have different CPUs also.
Of course, your actual performance can be hindered by things like weak GPUs, odd resolutions, and other configuration issues, but for now the best bang/buck is that 6700.
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^^ All correct from my observations comparing our 6800, 6850, and 6700. PC Gamer just compared a bunch of CPUs too with a number of popular AAA "PC Gamery" type games, and had the same result as various tech sites too. As I said before, I'm happy with Broadwell E, but for a system that is for 75% or more for gaming, 6700k is by FAR a better value, much less 6600k.
I will note that the whole PCI E lane issue between the 6800 and 6850k is nil in real world gaming performance from what I can tell- I have a m.2 Samsung 950 drive in both systems, and 1080 SLI in both systems, along with another SSD and spinner drive of the same make/size (850 Evo 500 and 1 tb 7200rpm drives), and all the testing using the same 20 or so games I've tried, and along with the data from MSI Afterburner - it's negligible. Maybe later when the SLI drivers are optimized, the increased lanes with the 6850k will make a difference, but I doubt it. That's running the HBM SLI bridge as well. It's hard to tell exactly because in some CPU intensive games the 6850k IS a bit faster chip, but if I o/c the 6800 to kinda/sorta compromise for that, I can't see much if any loss of SLI performance due to the lane chokepoint potential issue with the whole 16x and 8x deal with the video cards.
If $/value/performance isn't something that's a huge deal, and it isn't a gaming only system, Broadwell E by all means isn't a "terrible" value or anything from 6850 down, but if it's primarily a gaming system, Skylake or the upcoming Skylake replacement if it's around the same $ will be the way I'd do it again. The three CPUs I've mentioned with the same video cards are all very, very close to the same FPS performance in most games I've tried, averaged out.
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Cool much to chew on!
The deal is I'm coming up to retirement, going early. I play AH only. If I change games it would be to a better flight sim, so. I want to make sure I service the game part well, but. BUT, in my old age I intend to do some object creation, ie model some aircraft. I kinda of have been dabbling awhile but soon...
UNITY + BLENDER + add on or 2 = ???????? No sever use intended, I want server power tho.
Maybe I should do the multiple machine route, but I just make'em do everything, then I'm not disappointed and they last longer. I intend full time RV'ing so multi machines could be pita. Once retired, money will be tight so I intend to burn it now while I still work. Need a monster that will take me till pc's do not matter, and/or windows 20.
I'm not going SLI, not necessary, onboard sound/Lan works for moi just fine. Do I use SSD in a PCI-e slot or the SATA buss??? I will RAID O at least 3 in a SATA bus. So I wonder the need for multi pci e slots, they all share the same lanes......unless I develop an HDTV LED sphere monitor, 1 version of the right video card is enough.
Then theres the fact that I want a cpu at 5.0GHz, for moi a build that does not achieve this is a failure. Prolly have to go liquid cooling but the speed is the reason to build. My current machine works great, but its pushing 10 years with a hard OC, I have been using 4GHz awhile, cannot go slower, one should be prepared.
HTPC, I had wondered, now u gonna make me look into it. TY
You'll like a NAS, I have one wired in to router. I periodically dump watermelon there when I clean pc. Can use it for backups and re-installs if you wanted. It just sits in the corner waiting to be used. Highly recommend one.
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I've been on disability for a few years now, pretty much retired, so I'm of similar mindset. Get what makes you happy, after researching various tech sites, asking friends here and elsewhere, etc - sounds like you have a good plan and idea what you want to already cooking.
Regarding other games/sims, IMO if you get a machine that handles this game, it'll handle everything else pretty much out there (beta wise, even AH2 to a large extent with everything truly maxed). I don't think you'll find an online game better than this, but I do enjoy single player stuff, FalconBMS is essentially free and incredible for that (dynamic campaign still), and ARMA3 has very basic flight stuff with all the other types of warfare, and the helo parts in there aren't that bad TBH. That's a great one to waist retirement time on, but there are tons of others. Again, I doubt you'll find a replacement for what we get from AH, the only direct competitors for online quickly fade compared to this product. IL2 Cliffs of DOver with the free Fusion mod is great for some single player, but again, so far as multi, and especially massively multi, there is unlikely to be anything that surpasses this in my lifetime, if I was betting the farm.
Re: SLI - I too made the same vow, I've always bought SLI right back to the very first offerings, Voodoo2 12 meg SLI cards, and had the 680, 780, and 980/ti cards in various SLI combinations. If pulled the 1080 cards from all our SLI machines and tested the stuff we play with just one card - other than just a couple AAA type 3 day wonder type games, where the SLI profiles aren't bad - little to no FPS advantage. We're using 144/165hz 27" Gsync 1440p panels and one 34" 100hz Gsync - one 1080, not even overclocked, can maintain virtually every game at ultra close to or at max FPS. Overclocking the cards to say 200/450 or 500 almost ensures this. With the new 1080ti coming this year, I'll sell the remaining 1080 cards then (2 are gone now, just one SLI system left), and replace them with the fastest single card, be it the ti or Titan. No more SLI, ever, ever, again.
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UNITY + BLENDER + add on or 2 = ???????? No sever use intended, I want server power tho.
I installed Blender through Steam and if memory serves the installer offered three rendering engines. I don't remember offhand which one I went with, but it was not hard to install. My "mentor" professor suggested that we find the workflow the works for us and match it to a modeler and stick to it. In my case the 3D Max interface was busy, but one I connected with. Maya was a little more Cludgy, and Blender is just all thumbs, but as I get more accustomed to it I think it will be fine.
If this is the direction you are going in then you are probably going to want a CPU that can knock out those frames, and that is not going to be a Skylake system. Just letting you know. It will still work, but it will be slow by comparison with the faster Broadwell-E CPUs. Being completely open it is really hard to think about using a PC to do renders of any kind other than just test renders. What really has me ticked off about PCs is Microsoft and Windows 10. If you were to leave your system rendering I would bet you Microsoft would choose that moment to update and reboot your system. I hold them in very low regard.
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I'm thinking the 6850 is the choice. Already a good bclk, 6 cores, 40 pci-e lanes. According to the link post all Broadwell e's are unlocked so OC is option. maximum ram for mobo. RAID 0 SSD boot drive.
$2000+/- without the case, psu, monitor, vr headset. 1 reason for less PCI-e slotted mobos is mobo price, each slot is a chunk of change.
Yes the skylake would prolly do me but its out of date hardware now. The software will eventually take advantage of the available hardware so a machine that handles the next decade of software changes is 2nd behind a 5GHz cpu speed.
The thing about Blender is that there is too much. I found that just focusing on a single specific with tutorials helps.
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Cool much to chew on!
The deal is I'm coming up to retirement, going early. I play AH only. If I change games it would be to a better flight sim, so. I want to make sure I service the game part well, but. BUT, in my old age I intend to do some object creation, ie model some aircraft. I kinda of have been dabbling awhile but soon...
UNITY + BLENDER + add on or 2 = ???????? No sever use intended, I want server power tho.
Maybe I should do the multiple machine route, but I just make'em do everything, then I'm not disappointed and they last longer. I intend full time RV'ing so multi machines could be pita. Once retired, money will be tight so I intend to burn it now while I still work. Need a monster that will take me till pc's do not matter, and/or windows 20.
I'm not going SLI, not necessary, onboard sound/Lan works for moi just fine. Do I use SSD in a PCI-e slot or the SATA buss??? I will RAID O at least 3 in a SATA bus. So I wonder the need for multi pci e slots, they all share the same lanes......unless I develop an HDTV LED sphere monitor, 1 version of the right video card is enough.
Then theres the fact that I want a cpu at 5.0GHz, for moi a build that does not achieve this is a failure. Prolly have to go liquid cooling but the speed is the reason to build. My current machine works great, but its pushing 10 years with a hard OC, I have been using 4GHz awhile, cannot go slower, one should be prepared.
HTPC, I had wondered, now u gonna make me look into it. TY
You'll like a NAS, I have one wired in to router. I periodically dump watermelon there when I clean pc. Can use it for backups and re-installs if you wanted. It just sits in the corner waiting to be used. Highly recommend one.
I'm thinking the 6850 is the choice. Already a good bclk, 6 cores, 40 pci-e lanes. According to the link post all Broadwell e's are unlocked so OC is option. maximum ram for mobo. RAID 0 SSD boot drive.
$2000+/- without the case, psu, monitor, vr headset. 1 reason for less PCI-e slotted mobos is mobo price, each slot is a chunk of change.
Yes the skylake would prolly do me but its out of date hardware now. The software will eventually take advantage of the available hardware so a machine that handles the next decade of software changes is 2nd behind a 5GHz cpu speed.
The thing about Blender is that there is too much. I found that just focusing on a single specific with tutorials helps.
Ahhh IC now!
As far as all PCI-E lanes are the same......that's not quite true. Here is provided a breakdown of 2 Intel chipset block diagrams, 1 is of X99 and the other is of Z97 but X79 is similar to X99 and all mainstream Z68 thru the current Z170 is similar to Z97 that shows the route tracing for all PCI-E, USB, SATA, serial links, CPU, system mem and how all this interfaces.
It is possible to squeeze a little more performance out of an Intel system if certain devices are stragetically installed in the dedicated PCI-E lanes (other than a graphics card) that by-pass the Intel chipset (the chipset is where all traces, whether USB, SATA, sound, LAN or the chipset defined PCI-E lanes that are routed thru it are managed w\ isochronous bus mastering as the DMI serial link that connects the chipset to the DMA controller in the CPU has finite bandwidth whereas the dedicated PCI-E lanes are run at full spec bandwidth as set by the CPU DMA controller reading the PCI-E device's lane specs installed on them due to being point-to-point in nature (no bus mastering) so the only "slowdown" across these would be using a backwards-compatible PCI-E device--PCI-E 2.0 device in a PCI-E 3.0 slot--which will reduce the available bandwidth across the dedicated PCI-E lanes being used or thru the DMA controller itself to the system mem cache or the mem transfer rate as the system mem cache that will be created for this work will run at the mem's rated transfer rate).
This is the advantage IMO of running a PCI-E device (such as a graphics card or a SSD) like a SSD thru the dedicated PCI-E slots over a M.2 slot (which is routed thru the chipset's PCI-E lanes along w\ any SATA lanes that could share them) or thru the chipset from a pure performance perspective on an Intel mobo (or even an AMD mobo...the choke point on current AMD designed mobos would be the serial HyperTerminal link between the Northbridge chipset and DMA controller in CPU....we'll see if Zen mobos end up being an identical trace block design of current Intel X99....my read on this). The DMA controllers being used in Intel CPU's are some of the best DMA circuit controllers out there and so are usually not an issue concerning latency and bandwidth speed thru them.
But from a practical perspective the actual difference between the 2 would only be realized if all were being pushed to the maximum theoretical capacity in which the vast majority of the time this isn't the case and so a moot point for most users......except to a geeky power user like me........ :D
Thanks for the words concerning the NAS.....gonna move forward on that now. I'm figuring on using 2 1Tb WD HDD's in it then change out the HDD's in the wife's box to SATA III SSD's to speed her box up then auto back it up to the NAS..... wife dumps far more watermelon than I do! :lol
Since I already own a X99 mobo the I7 6850X is in my radar.....most likely next year to give Gigabyte some fleshing time on the UEFI's as I've already tried the F22 UEFI and the results wasn't pretty................
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If you're making a gaming computer, don't go past a hexa core, because past that point Intel really starts to downclock the chips so that they don't overheat. Even the hexacore is affected by this, but only to a minor degree.
If you want to stream to Twitch and play games on the same PC, or you have a significant, highly multithreaded, workload intended for the PC in addition to gaming, then go for the 6-core. Otherwise just get the non-extreme 4-core. The difference between the 4790K and the Skylake version is insignificant, get whichever is most convenient.
I'd stay away from the i5s just because games are really starting to get multi-threaded now and the hyperthreading on the i7 is starting to be important. I'm not big on future-proofing but I make an exception here, because new Intel generations just aren't much faster than old ones these days, but getting an i7 instead of an i5 really will be worth the extra money.
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my current mobo is QPI based. X58
Has this changed much or are the ram and cpu clock speeds still intertwined?
This was a limitation on OC'ing my X58 system. I have 2000MHz ram installed but in order to get what works with a 4GHz cpu OC its DC'ed to 1668MHz with turbo timings. I noticed that ram speeds are now at 3440MHz and crap. So how are the cpu and DDr4 ram playing together?
Pudgie my head hurts man. :salute
NAS is cool. I got a 1TB WD MyBook. Separate unit that has ethernet port to router.
BD, I had read what your talking about regarding core count and bclk. I think the link, earlier post, for OC'ing broadwell hits on this. Good info ty.
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Regarding the 6850 O/C, I just let the Asus Strix MB do the o/c for dummies thing, and it' a 17% O/C running right now, no crashes yet, and I have the 1080s o/c to a medium level of 200/500 right now as well. NZXT Kraken run of the mill AIO cooler on the 6850 chip, stock air on the 1080s. The only game that hasn't like the OC on the GPUs is ARMA3, and I think it's just that it doesn't like Afterburner, not so much the higher clock speeds - the CPU O/C doesn't make a diff with Arma3 crashing, it gives me an immediate GPU failure error message, and flipping off Afterburner and putting the profile back to stock fixes the issue.
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With the 920 D, I turned off all the auto and OC mobo and software stuff. Manually pushed that puppy up to 4GHz from 2.67 BCLK. If I got the 6850, its BCLK is 3.6GHz. Is pushing it to 5GHz a similar thing? My current mobo is pre uefi. Math wise, its the same numerical distance, or OC percentage as I achieved before, but..................we know that 5GHz begins the threshold oc, of a cpu's outside limits for practical use.
Gigabyte has an OC board series, its ram slot short tho. The Gaming boards have 8 ram slots.
either way these are $400+/- boards. ugh...........
G since you like to test, have you tested with SWEET FX use vs Nvidia profiles? I do not use nvidia profiles, turned most things off. Sweet FX with game settings gives me a fabulous pic. My testing showed no perf hit.....
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I actually haven't reinstalled SweetFX and completely forgot about it since running new systems - I'll do that today, AkAk put me on to SweetFX a while back and I used it since then, but had just forgotten about it since getting it set where I wanted in AH. Same with my soundpacks, I need to do that as well.
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my current mobo is QPI based. X58
Has this changed much or are the ram and cpu clock speeds still intertwined?
This was a limitation on OC'ing my X58 system. I have 2000MHz ram installed but in order to get what works with a 4GHz cpu OC its DC'ed to 1668MHz with turbo timings. I noticed that ram speeds are now at 3440MHz and crap. So how are the cpu and DDr4 ram playing together?
Pudgie my head hurts man. :salute
NAS is cool. I got a 1TB WD MyBook. Separate unit that has ethernet port to router.
BD, I had read what your talking about regarding core count and bclk. I think the link, earlier post, for OC'ing broadwell hits on this. Good info ty.
Sorry for that MADe, hope it hurts in a good way.................
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Intel X58 mobo block diagram was a direct copy of the AMD mobo block diagram (can't remember the chipset name) that the AMD Athlon\Phenom CPU's used (which is the current block diagram being used on all current AMD mobos today) w\ different naming for the exact same tracing. This was part of the licensing agreement between AMD and Intel when Intel licensed the rights to use the AMD Athlon CPU architecture (which brought about the Intel Nehalem CPU and X58 chipset). The limiting part was the Northbridge chipset\QPI link as this chipset\link had to handle the entire data stream of the mobo so these parts were very sensitive when pushed to capacity, especially when OC'ing (if mem serves me here, to OC the CPU you also had to work the QPI setup along w\ the mem as all this had to match up on clock timings and speed\bandwidth limited by power available, correct?).
Intel solved all this starting w\ X79 and Z68 when the Northbridge chipset was essentially eliminated (all this circuitry moved to the CPU die along w\ the DMA controller and all tracing) and all is now clocked at the on-die CPU core clock speed on very short tracing incorporating an L3 cache on the CPU side w\ the DMA controllers interfacing between the CPU cores\L3 cache, system mem, dedicated PCI-E lanes (graphics cards) and the Southbridge chipset thru QPI\DMI serial links so in effect they do not actually "talk or are intertwined" directly to each other anymore, but to each other thru the on-die DMA controllers w\ the DMA controllers handling the interrupt switching between CPU, graphics card(s) and Southbridge chipset to system mem cache. The development of these very sophisticated DMA controllers are a big part of Intel's overall dominance over AMD since SandyBridge and IMHO is the main reason why Intel hasn't really pushed CPU core clock speeds much on their HEDT\mainstream setups and concentrated more on core counts to improve overall system thruput and reduce power usage at the same time by reducing CPU clock speed when feasible while retaining good single threaded performance (gaming importance) and why these Intel packages since Z68\X79 demonstrate very little to no overall gaming performance drop off as well across platform upgrades.
I also suspect that AMD w\ Zen is going to reverse license w\ Intel due to the existing licensing agreement between them to incorporate a similar copy of Intel's current version of the HEDT block diagram (x99) as this is now a somewhat "pedestrian" diagram to conclude this license. My hunch on this only as this makes the most sense for AMD to do.
Time will tell.
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On a whim I d'ld the Gigabyte F22 UEFI BIOS again just for giggles, extracted it onto my USB stick and performed a reflash on my X99M Gaming 5 mobo and rebooted..............
This time all came up good and in order!
Got all set back up in F22 UEFI as I had all set up prior in F20 UEFI before and rebooted and all came up easy as pie.
Now I really don't know what has changed since the 1st time I tried to boot up after reflash to F22 UEFI but its all good now............
So as of now I'm ready for a CPU upgrade to Broadwell-E!
Intel I7 6850X I'm coming for you, honey!
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jealously abounds.................. :aok
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So a new mobo gonna be a new OC experience.
INTEL 6850, $650 +/-
Gigabyte, x99 mobo, $650+/-
Gigabyte, pascal video card, 450+/-
OCZ, SSD's, $????????
????, PSU, $???????
12GB Kingston ram, $?????????
VR, $700 +/-
AH, $15/mth
ISP, $35/mth
Dang it AH, u cost as much as a girlfriend................... ..........
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I actually haven't reinstalled SweetFX and completely forgot about it since running new systems - I'll do that today, AkAk put me on to SweetFX a while back and I used it since then, but had just forgotten about it since getting it set where I wanted in AH. Same with my soundpacks, I need to do that as well.
After you get a profile set up you like, post it would ya, I wanna see what you enhance. Me is mostly color saturation, sharpness, B/W contrast. But I should prolly push it and disable all AH settings along with Nvidia settings, see what happens. I think SweetFX is great. I had it working in AH 3 as well. Once its released, I will do some testing with sweetfx.
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jealously abounds.................. :aok
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So a new mobo gonna be a new OC experience.
INTEL 6850, $650 +/-
Gigabyte, x99 mobo, $650+/-
Gigabyte, pascal video card, 450+/-
OCZ, SSD's, $????????
????, PSU, $???????
12GB Kingston ram, $?????????
VR, $700 +/-
AH, $15/mth
ISP, $35/mth
Dang it AH, u cost as much as a girlfriend................... ..........
12GB? You must mean 16GB?
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AH, $15/mth
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Dang it AH, u cost as much as a girlfriend................... ..........
You've got a cheap girlfriend. My ex girlfriend a.k.a wife easily can spend that much in a single day. Fortunately she earns more than I do, so it's OK.
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jealously abounds.................. :aok
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So a new mobo gonna be a new OC experience.
INTEL 6850, $650 +/-
Gigabyte, x99 mobo, $650+/-
Gigabyte, pascal video card, 450+/-
OCZ, SSD's, $????????
????, PSU, $???????
12GB Kingston ram, $?????????
VR, $700 +/-
AH, $15/mth
ISP, $35/mth
Dang it AH, u cost as much as a girlfriend................... ..........
Are you using this to play Aces high or calculate the mass of the known universe?
You do know that an i7 6700 is more powerful in gaming applications right?
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6700 is only slightly faster, and not in every game, just some of the AAA games - of the 20 or so I put to the test with 1080FE SLI cards in both systems, it's a draw pretty much, the 6700 with popular AAA games may have a few percent, but that's it, and in desktop tasks, it's no contest that the B-E cpu/mb is faster almost across the board. For the $ the 6700 is certainly a better deal for games - for now at least.
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Are you using this to play Aces high or calculate the mass of the known universe?
You do know that an i7 6700 is more powerful in gaming applications right?
I believe that calculating the mass of the known universe was already mentioned as the builds goal.
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jealously abounds.................. :aok
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So a new mobo gonna be a new OC experience.
INTEL 6850, $650 +/-
Gigabyte, x99 mobo, $650+/-
Gigabyte, pascal video card, 450+/-
OCZ, SSD's, $????????
????, PSU, $???????
12GB Kingston ram, $?????????
VR, $700 +/-
AH, $15/mth
ISP, $35/mth
Dang it AH, u cost as much as a girlfriend................... ..........
Here is the block diagram for the Intel X58 mobos as well...............
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http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5809#ov
Pudgie???????????????????
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I like the 8 dims, dual lan, price...................
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http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5809#ov
Pudgie???????????????????
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I like the 8 dims, dual lan, price...................
Ok, now this is more like what I'd figured you'd have gone for according to your original posting.......you threw me when you posted only wanting 1 or 2 PCI-E x16 slots........................ .....
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PS--You did note that Intel lists the X58 block diagram as a server diagram for server usage instead of a desktop diagram?
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http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5129#ov
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5284#ov
I just did not want to pay for pcie I was not gonna use. Looks like its one of these 3 boards with a GTX 1070G1.
mobo +/- $300
video +/- $450, gigabyte
cpu +/- $650, intel
ram +/- $300, HyperX
Someone has OC'ed the 10 core monsta to 5.7GHz! I'm gonna get 5GHz or bust.
Coming down a little dollar wise.....
http://www.google.com/shopping/product/15871135804448118058?lsf=seller:6859035,store:17208818627085144799&prds=oid:13865026229532963785&q=GA-X99-UD4&hl=en&ei=FgSNV8vwKcy1-QHErqGADg&lsft=gclid:CjwKEAjw_LG8BRDb1JTxm8uP_UwSJ ADu_8pWidrV_hsWufeT-LrzHrCGKkEn8C-ZH6BCqxczHWjvVBoCF2Dw_wcB
check the price here???????????????????????
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appears for OC'ing, I want 4 dimms not 8.
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You may have to set up a water loop bro, the hit that 5.0, but it IS doable. My 6850 chips, both of them, are very content at 4.4 with the NZXT Kraken, IMO one of the top 3 or even 2 AIO coolers under 150$ (Swiftech IMO make the best AIO for the $, but for that money you can build a custom look, or at least get a good start on it). I have the EK blocks for the 1080 cards, pumps, fittings, etc, so just need stuff for the CPU and a few other nicknacks and I'll report in on custom loop o/C with the 6850.
I tried two 6800 chips as I thought I had a poor o/c one, but nope, it seems they are happy at 4.0, a modest O/C, and CAN be pushed to 4.4, but the results aren't much more impressive than the 4.0 results, and it's a giant PITA for power/v settings and keeping 4.4 stable, so I've left mine at a happy 4.0, and that little 6800 performs very close to the 6700k in games, wipes the floor with it in apps, and is close to the same $. The whole PCI E lane issue with SLI and m.2/other SSDs I discussed in another thread, and my tests showed that you lose nothing really due to the lane issue running SLI in games that I can tell.
I do NOT have a a 6950x yet, Jess still has her 5960x, and looks at me cross eyes, pulls faces, and flips me the bird when I tell her she's not "Jenny from the block" with last year's (3 years but whatever) CPU, and should drop the $to get it (so I can test and mess with it, ha ha). We'll get one either way soon next trip back home and to the PC shop we use. I'll be right there with you trying for 5k, because it's going to be a custom loop aaache toooo oooh system right from the gate.
As I've said a few times now, no question, the 6700k Skylake platform is slightly superior in fps at least over the 6800/6850 platform, and cost a bit less too, although not all that much for the 6800. Editing videos, and doing all that tehcie stuff is where they do shine. Personally, when the next Skylake platform comes, I'll probably sell/trade the Broadwell E systems other than the 6950x we'll have by then, go new Skylake, and go single 1080ti or 1080Titan instead of SLI - SLI , NEVER AGAIN. It's the land of Israel chant for me regarding that setup. NO MO.
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my current builds at 4GHz, thats why I want to go for a 5GHz build. Things are quite snappy at 4GHz, I cannot go backwards.
I figure water is gonna be a must, but I will look around 1st. If I go that way, I would be all in. watered cpu, ram, vid card.
5.7GHz is being done on the 6950. the 1070 appears to have good headroom for OC'ing, might not need to OC ram, with the speeds they are advertising.
I plan on RAID 0 SSD's again. I have had such a good result with current setup that I will repeat it. Will stay away from m2. Leave pcie to video, sound and what ever else. let the storage be SATA 3. Later on as the software changes I can go PCIE/m2 SSD if needed.
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http://lifehacker.com/its-been-a-fun-ride-but-im-done-water-cooling-my-pc-1689683422
OK I will not being going water. Everything this article mentions about pc access I had wondered about.
My HAF 932 and a quality CoolerMAster v8 will do.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/toshiba-ocz-rd400-pcie-nvme-ssd-review,1.html
And with new knowledge comes change of mind..... since I am dropping any type of sli, maybe I just add this, could be cheaper in long run.
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I ran Raid 0 SSDs too once, having had run raid 0 10k rpm drives back when they were the fastest available for gaming PCs, thought I would try it with 830 Samsung drives a few years back. Haven't since though, but again, who knows in the future. There ARE dual m.2 socket MBs out there, and there are articles of people setting up Raid 0 950 Samsung drives, 2 512gb drives in Raid 0 would be pretty fast, as my single 950 m.2 is as fast or faster than my SSD Raid array was, just based on perception, I haven't ran any official tests to compared to the old data I have on how fast those 830 drives were in raid.
Something to consider though, getting a dual m.2 socket board, if that's something that interests you in the future to try.
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Man that takes me back. I still have my 10k rpm WD Raptors around here somewhere, no idea if they still work or not though heh.
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If quiet is your goal, I recommend starting with a Fractal Design case. We use the "Define XL R2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352029&cm_re=define_xl_r2-_-11-352-029-_-Product)" around here and it is hard to tell if the computer is on.
It is a big box with a lot of room in it. Also pretty heavy. Do not plan on hauling it around to LAN parties. :)
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I've got that same one skuzz linked, except mine has the side window on it (bought it locally and was the only one they had) but it's the best case i've owned hands down. Sad thing is I've even owned cases that cost more than it did. :(
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---Do not plan on hauling it around to LAN parties. :)
We tend to have room enough for any reasonably sized cases in our parties. OK's simpit (https://www.flickr.com/photos/wasq/5560712755/in/album-72157626340488424/) must've been the biggest one so far. He had a trailer for it. Took a few of us to carry it inside.
<Edited after Skuzzy's comment, I'm slow...>
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We tend to have room enough for any reasonably sized cases in our parties. OK's simpit must've been the biggest one so far:
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/wasq/5560712755/in/album-72157626340488424/)
Space is not the primary concern. The case weighs over 35 pounds, empty!
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I do not really care about noise. I already own a HAF 932. Will run with that. Mods are ez with it.
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my I7-2600 has done me well for the last 4-5 years. i was lucky to get it for 100.00 back then off ebay
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All else equal, in any given case, the bigger the fans the quieter it'll be for the amount of air it moves. If quiet is important to you, check that first.
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http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5809#ov
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5284#ov
Do I really need the expensive model? Whats it got going that the cheap one cannot match? besides 2 lan port....been using the x58 3D version with no probs for years, its OC'ed hard.........
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I've been kicking around plans for getting a G1, or an ASUS equivalent. The dual M.2 support is interesting. I have not checked the manuals very carefully, yet. If it can do dual M.2 without losing SATA ports even better.
It's not about the cost. The point is to buy what you need. If you spend money on extras that never get used then that's the shame of it.
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I've been kicking around plans for getting a G1, or an ASUS equivalent. The dual M.2 support is interesting. I have not checked the manuals very carefully, yet. If it can do dual M.2 without losing SATA ports even better.
It's not about the cost. The point is to buy what you need. If you spend money on extras that never get used then that's the shame of it.
It is about cost tho, why spend dollars on packaging and fancy crap if the underlying boards are identical and can be OC'ed the same. $100 would buy the cpu cooler
Thing is you get an AIC adaptation and put it in a pcie slot, same pcie lane access. If you use the m.2 ver with desktop, then its laid horizontal, it would be under the vid card.
If you want multi ports for RAID purposes, if you are using only 1 vid card, onboard sound and lan, want AIC IMO for those pcie slots. I'm still learning.
But I might RAID 0, 2 OCZ 400's, .......
SATA just became relegated to back up storage ports.
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Usually, the manufacturers will create a more stable board on their top end items. The power will be composed of better electronics and so on. I have been wanting to try dual M.2, but eSata onboard is another option and you might also opt for U.2 which is faster and has greater capacity options. Most people will not opt for U.2 because of the associated costs. I'm not up on what OCZ is offering, but if the one you mentioned is in fact a U.2 device than a 400GB capacity if just an early offering. I expect the cost will come down quickly and the capacity will increase at the same time. Right now they are not worth the price being asked unless you need the speed.
If you are talking about the OCZ SAS devices than you could build a redundant backup system at a much more cost effective level.
I have been look at the ASUS STRIX X99 Gaming today. I still have more looking to do, but that looks like a great board at the moment.
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M.2 is a form factor, meant for laptops.
AIC adapter allows the M.2 form factor SSD to plug into PCIe 3.0 slot
U.2 is specifically for the Intel 750 SSD, some kind of new synergistic thing.????????????? expensive!
SATAe is using 4 PCIe lanes....????????
None required for day to day pc use. but! I feel the need for speed..........
All get 32GB/s speeds, all just different form factors of the various SSD's for PCIe lanes. I generalized a lot, but I read some stuff just yesterday about this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820228165&ignorebbr=1
I'm considering 2 in RAID 0.
As far as mobo question, the 2 boards are practically the same. the g1 has dual lan, 3.1 usb. The UD gigabyte boards are tough, I am using their basic boards, nothing fancy, now. I learned my lesson with an ASUS Stryker Extreme mobo, It was the ethusiasts, OC board of its day. I could hardly get it to run at defaults. unstable, rma'ed 4 times cuz it just quit. So why do I need the G1 if the UD4 will do same with less things that can break.
same sound, lan, ports, chipset, dimms, pcie slots, bios, mostly the same yes?....
Broadwell having 40 PCIe lanes means a whole new line of hardware changes. SATA is done except for storage and backup spinner drives where you want redundancy x10. As long as the base file is saved elsewhere, when an SSD dies u lose nada.
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M.2 is a form factor, meant for laptops.
AIC adapter allows the M.2 form factor SSD to plug into PCIe 3.0 slot
U.2 is specifically for the Intel 750 SSD, some kind of new synergistic thing.????????????? expensive!
SATAe is using 4 PCIe lanes....????????
None required for day to day pc use. but! I feel the need for speed..........
All get 32GB/s speeds, all just different form factors of the various SSD's for PCIe lanes. I generalized a lot, but I read some stuff just yesterday about this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820228165&ignorebbr=1
I'm considering 2 in RAID 0.
As far as mobo question, the 2 boards are practically the same. the g1 has dual lan, 3.1 usb. The UD gigabyte boards are tough, I am using their basic boards, nothing fancy, now. I learned my lesson with an ASUS Stryker Extreme mobo, It was the ethusiasts, OC board of its day. I could hardly get it to run at defaults. unstable, rma'ed 4 times cuz it just quit. So why do I need the G1 if the UD4 will do same with less things that can break.
same sound, lan, ports, chipset, dimms, pcie slots, bios, mostly the same yes?....
Broadwell having 40 PCIe lanes means a whole new line of hardware changes. SATA is done except for storage and backup spinner drives where you want redundancy x10. As long as the base file is saved elsewhere, when an SSD dies u lose nada.
Ahhh I know how you're feeling...................... ......
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Ahhh I know how you're feeling...................... ......
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the newegg cart is at $1450 +/-, without the 1070 or psu.
so its gonna be 32GB or even 16 gb or ram. $/2
6850 ain't getting lower
2 drives is $250..................
decisions decisions......
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All get 32GB/s speeds, all just different form factors of the various SSD's for PCIe lanes. I generalized a lot, but I read some stuff just yesterday about this.
I'm going to suggest you read even more. HDDs are far from extinct. NVMe is (I think) the way to go in a case you want to stay cool. The whole point in buying a board that supports all of the various formats is to use what you have. If you are going to buy it all new then go for it.
I will be using an external cabinet of He SAS HDDs (HGST Ultrastar He10) for a long while to come.
I don't have a lot of electronics fail me. When things fail it is usually a weak electronic component, like the capacitor that failed on my Z87 MB after two years. What fails me more often are the companies like EVGA that survive on a reputation that they don't deserve. It took them more than a year to patch the X99 FTW BIOS and even after that wait not all the slots are functional. ASUS just works and when you do have a bad moment they cover their products.
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This is more than two years old, but it pretty much covers my interest in any storage faster than current SSDs. SATAe seems to hard to nail down even now.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7843/testing-sata-express-with-asus
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I know Gigabyte X99 series mobos are using SATAe thru a switch thru the X99 chipset for the M.2 connector(s). Good to know that the bandwidth thru SATAe vs dedicated PCI-E has been tested to be virtually the same so this will make the choice between the 2 paths a moot point from a capacity standpoint.
My Gigabyte X99M Gaming 5 mobo's M.2 connector runs thru the X99 chipset thru SATAe (the lower row of SATA connectors in right block where the left connector is for a true SATAe drive cable but also takes the next 2 SATA ports (SATA 4 and SATA 5) to get to x4 lanes and 10Gb\s bandwidth requirement for a PCI-E 3.0 x4 spec so if a M.2 SSD is installed in the M.2 slot or a SATAe device is installed in the SATAe connector the lower row of SATA ports are blocked out and can't be used so you would drop from 10 SATA ports to 8 thru the X99 chipset.......
If my comprehension of all my reading is good, if you want to RAID0 M.2 SSD's you would either need a mobo that has multiple M.2 slots installed and routed thru the X99 chipset (to use the built in RAID controller in the X99 chipset) OR a PCI-E riser card w\ multiple M.2 slots and a RAID controller along w\ a PCI-E controller on board to use in a dedicated PCI-E slot......especially in a x4 up to x16 PCI-E slot to ensure adequate bandwidth. I could be wrong but I think this is correct.............
Note: If you look at any of the PCI-E 2.0 x8 SSD's out in the market they are essentially multiple SSD's mounted on a riser card w\ an onboard RAID0 and PCI-E controller to get the speeds that are advertised (close to a single NVMe M.2 SSD). I was looking on Newegg and found a PCI-E riser card that had 2 M.2 slots mounted on it so that 2 M.2 SSD's can be used on it but it didn't have a RAID or PCI-E controller chip mounted on it......but it may be possible to still use this in a PCI-E x4 and up slot that routes thru the X99 chipset to RAID0 the 2 M.2 SSD's on the riser card using the built in RAID controller.
At least from my perspective.............
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I have never been really happy with the proprietary controllers, especially for RAID. I like the option of being able to use the equipment I have, vis-a-vis drives, but when it comes to RAID functions I like to add cards with hardware controllers. The software solution that MBs offer has never been ideal and I think adds to problems like MADe is just now coming out of.
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I have never been really happy with the proprietary controllers, especially for RAID. I like the option of being able to use the equipment I have, vis-a-vis drives, but when it comes to RAID functions I like to add cards with hardware controllers. The software solution that MBs offer has never been ideal and I think adds to problems like MADe is just now coming out of.
I know of what you're saying, Chalenge..........
Why I gave up on doing RAID0 back in 2008-2009 using the mobo chipset RAID controller on a purely gaming computer as its just too much of a hassle after working w\ them for a few years, especially when the HDD's were already fast enough on their own (was using WD 74Gb Raptor 10,000 RPM HDD's back then and WD Caviar Black 7200 RPM HDD's before that), especially when I used the 2nd HDD to mount the page file on instead of the HDD that I had the OS installed on (a practice that I still use today w\ my SSD's w\ an added purpose of "protecting the boot SSD" from massive rewrites\overprovisioning) to reduce HDD read\write latency in games\apps that tend to perform a lot of small writes (page out) to disk (some game stuttering is due to this occurring in the background....not always a vid card issue) but also due to the way Windows handles this (tends to perform paging regardless of amount of system mem installed....coded to do it). I know that better written software will preemptively perform these tasks ahead of time by taking advantage of HDD idle time or have enough system mem installed to allow as much\all of a game and its files to be addressed into system mem to reduce\alleviate paging at all but I've always adhered to the practice of covering all the angles as feasibly can be done to attain\sustain maximum performance. Not always the most cost-effective practice but it is the most satisfying from a pure performance standpoint.
I almost bought a PCI-slot RAID riser card to set up a dedicated RAID0 array by-passing the onboard chipset RAID controller but decided to give up on it entirely and haven't looked back since.
But more power to those who love to run a RAID0 array...............
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The advent of NVMe SSD's to me is like having RAID0 performance w\o all the hassles of RAID0 array setup\maintenance.
My small 2 cents on RAID.................
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tbh I am not interested in RAID'ing them for speed. Its an experiment for longevity. My current SSD's have been RAID'ed from the get. I always over provisioned them on top of there own built in. Anyways there still going. I want to combine 2, 128GB drives to make a 256 boot drive, then only allocate 200GB of it for OS.
only 1 manufacturer appears to support, ASROCK. They have a UEFI bios with RST for RAID.. They have dual m.2 key slots.
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Well, in my opinion speed is the only reason to do RAID, but if you use an onboard controller for RAID you probably won't meet with a very reliable system. Reliable controllers are not cheap, but if it is reliability you are after that's the way to go. I would even push it out of the case and go with a separate storage cabinet.
SAS cabinets make a great price point over SATA solutions performance-wise at smaller capacities, so . . . that is the direction I am going.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157719
Alright then, expanding POV and narrowing focus.
dual ultra m.2
dual lan
only 3 PCIe expansion slots
bios designed to RAID M.2 ssd's
reasonably priced...........
Anyone with ASROCK experiences?
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157719
Alright then, expanding POV and narrowing focus.
dual ultra m.2
dual lan
only 3 PCIe expansion slots
bios designed to RAID M.2 ssd's
reasonably priced...........
Anyone with ASROCK experiences?
Now Asrock is going in the direction w\ that mobo that I've always thought an enthusiast product should go..........I do like that layout!
Gonna put Asrock in the vetting process on the next core upgrade that I undertake.
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Let me know how it all goes if you do go that route.................
I'd appreciate it.
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Thing is I really luv the gigabyte dual bios. This ASROCK board tho is very attractive. The Fata1ty ver is very sweet as well, but way more expensive.
Prelim read says it should OC well to.
Tink abot it, a 5GHz cpu clock w/ 40 pcie lanes, a GTX1070, and RAID0 NVMe ultra m.2 drive, 3000+/-MHz ram. I mean dern it! This should give me a reach around faster than I can blink. And its not cost prohibitive.
Whats ThunderBolt 3.0 mean for monitors? I read some stuff and it helps with 4K and the future, will it make a diff for a led hdmi HDTV?
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Thunderbolt 3 RAID box (40Gbps) with DisplayPort out.
https://www.amazon.com/Akitio-Thunder3-Duo-Pro-Thunderbolt3/dp/B01BL0CKIM
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820228161
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104697&ignorebbr=1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103189&ignorebbr=1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117647&ignorebbr=1
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/X99%20Taichi/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125871
This is my build. pros/cons?
Now I just have to wait for availability. SOLD OUT! is popular right now.
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LAN
- Gigabit LAN 10/100/1000 Mb/s
- 1 x Giga PHY Intel® I218V, 1 x GigaLAN Intel® I211AT
- Supports Wake-On-LAN
- Supports Lightning/ESD Protection (ASRock Full Spike Protection)
- Supports Dual LAN with Teaming*
- Supports Energy Efficient Ethernet 802.3az
- Supports PXE
*Windows® 10 is not supported.
hmmmm! I was hoping for w10 use. Why would the LAN not be w10 ready????
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LAN
- Gigabit LAN 10/100/1000 Mb/s
- 1 x Giga PHY Intel® I218V, 1 x GigaLAN Intel® I211AT
- Supports Wake-On-LAN
- Supports Lightning/ESD Protection (ASRock Full Spike Protection)
- Supports Dual LAN with Teaming*
- Supports Energy Efficient Ethernet 802.3az
- Supports PXE
*Windows® 10 is not supported.
hmmmm! I was hoping for w10 use. Why would the LAN not be w10 ready????
It seems it is just the "Teaming" feature, which is not support in W10. It has to do with a bug in Windows 10. VLAN support is also broken in Windows 10. There are a few networking bugs in Windows 10 yet. Maybe this next big W10 update will fix them.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151087
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151159
Skuzzy,
which one, do I really need the more expensive.
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You don't need the more expensive one, that's up to you personally I would for the quiter fans.
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You do get an extra three years of warranty with the more expensive units. The Prime versions also have larger units coming out soon.
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Either one of those supplies will be fine.
I would go for the Prime unit simply due to me keeping computers around for, at least, 5 years. The Prime supplies will output cleaner power for a longer period of time. If you are rebuilding a computer more often than that, then the Prime supplies are probably overkill.
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If done right, this build will prolly last me till I drop dead. So getting longevity a plus. I might get an 850W unit tho, give me a little overhead. I decided on SeaSonic based on Skuzzy's prolific data on psu's here in forums.
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Not sure about your choice in MBs since I don't have one, but the EVGA X99s all failed me on update to Windows 10 1607, but the ASUS X99 I have updated like a champ. So, I'm moving that OS into my main Libraries case. I had to defer the other systems for update for (I guess) the maximum of 30 days hoping MS can get the bugs fixed.
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hmmm MS just keep self destructing trying to capture whatever.
I will buy a copy when things are better. Since I plan on RAIDing M.2 devices, I cannot be bleeping around. Need good clean install. My vertex are ez to pull and fac reset. The m.2 cards another matter.
Prolly gonna go ASROCK's Taichi board. Its w10 ready.
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The only problem I see with this board (not REALLY a problem) is that the TPM header is for 3.19 (r.1), instead of 14-1 (r.2). Either one will work with Bitlocker. Only the 14-1 modules will be used with W10A HGS VMs as the 3.19 modules are not supported. Really it's not important in home use, but something I thought you might want to read up on.
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hmm! seem I will not be RAID'ing. NMVe is not RAID compatible yet with uefi bios.
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The only problem I see with this board (not REALLY a problem) is that the TPM header is for 3.19 (r.1), instead of 14-1 (r.2). Either one will work with Bitlocker. Only the 14-1 modules will be used with W10A HGS VMs as the 3.19 modules are not supported. Really it's not important in home use, but something I thought you might want to read up on.
Bitlocker, security, something I'm behind on but theres nada on machine to secure. I keep it empty on purpose, if I'm not home, its off. If someone tries to hack me, I'll erase the whole dam thing!
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Bitlocker, security, something I'm behind on but theres nada on machine to secure. I keep it empty on purpose, if I'm not home, its off. If someone tries to hack me, I'll erase the whole dam thing!
Sane thinking there. For most home users and even companies crypted security might cause more trouble than benefit. Sensitive or valuable data is a different issue and people having such on their computers usually know their passwords and have backups for a hdd failure. If I'm right no data rescue specialist can get any data out of a broken disk if it's bitlocked.
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Peoples put to much faith and stock in pc's and their manufacturers at large. Like cocaine, you get addicted and would choose cocaine over food.
Modern computers have just become an excuse for piss poor business practices, governmental infringement. Our society is no smarter or better regulated due to pc's. In fact we are more vulnerable to attack from within, corruption is easier, organized crime is more organized..................
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Actually, the idea of using bitlocker and a tpm module is to make it harder to recover data from a drive that has been stolen. Professionally recover data? I wouldn't bother. A thief can get a HDD out of a case in less than ten seconds and be gone. Without the passcode and the tpm module a thief has zero chance of getting to the data. The data might not be so important (isn't to me if I don't have it backed up which the important stuff is), but if your identity is important to you then maybe you should think about it. It's not the only measure you can take, but it can be a big part of your security if you put some thought behind it.
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by using a multi disk RAID setup, this helps with stolen disc's. They would have to take'em all, reconfigure it right..........
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I have stacks of hard drives (remember 60 and 100 GB drives?) that have died over the years. I started using bitlocker to avoid the concern with just tossing a HDD into the bin after they die. If the drive is still functional you can always wipe it, but not so if it dies. In Mr. Robot they drill a hole in the drive? Now that's paranoia!
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lol
I got a ram question.
Intel 6850e cpu documents, it works with 2400MHz DDR4 ram.
The mobo lists 2133MHz DDR4 ram with the ability to OC thru 3300MHz.
What do these differences really mean?
It seems ultimately I would end up with the highest stable OC I can get, neither of which would be 2400 or 2133.
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I have stacks of hard drives (remember 60 and 100 GB drives?) that have died over the years. I started using bitlocker to avoid the concern with just tossing a HDD into the bin after they die. If the drive is still functional you can always wipe it, but not so if it dies. In Mr. Robot they drill a hole in the drive? Now that's paranoia!
I used an old bunch of drives to make a TESLA turbine, air. he hhe
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Actually, the idea of using bitlocker and a tpm module is to make it harder to recover data from a drive that has been stolen. Professionally recover data? I wouldn't bother. A thief can get a HDD out of a case in less than ten seconds and be gone. Without the passcode and the tpm module a thief has zero chance of getting to the data. The data might not be so important (isn't to me if I don't have it backed up which the important stuff is), but if your identity is important to you then maybe you should think about it. It's not the only measure you can take, but it can be a big part of your security if you put some thought behind it.
As I said, if there's really valuable data on the disk bitlocking makes sense. As for identity theft, I would be more concerned in saved passwords. Even that wouldn't be a big issue, changing the passwords should do the trick. Further, our online banking systems seem to be much safer than what I've learned them to be in some other countries. Even if a thief had access to the user name and password, he can't do any harm without the list of security codes. My bank provides a list of 300 four-digit codes which are asked in random order. When the list has been gone through, another list has to be activated. And even if the villain could somehow guess the first one, any transactions have to be confirmed by another code from that list. So, the crook has to be both fast and clever to make me any serious harm.
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Yeah, never save passwords. I stopped that a long time ago. I use LastPass, which used to be and probably still is the best method.
@MADe: I believe the QVL of memory for your system is part of your manual for that motherboard. If the manufacturer cannot get a fully populated DIMM to run stable then it will not be listed in the QVL. I usually choose to go for the most memory that I can fine in the QVL list. I have fully populated the DIMMs of only two or three MBs, and then only for a short period of time. The stability it just not there. So, if ASRock lists a memory set on the QVL that runs at 2667 and offers 32GB and there is no greater amount then that is what I would go with. The CPU might list a maximum speed of 2133 on the Intel site, but once you load the XMP profile it will clock higher and run stable.
NOTE: I did not look up the actual numbers, so you still need to do that research.
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Man o man I have acquired a pile of parts, still cannot decide on OS.............. I guess the OS I need, is VR, NewHardware and AH111 best compatibility choice.
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the build is reality
ASROCK X99 Taichi
INTEL i76850
OCZ RD400/400A 256GB
HYPER X 3000MHz 16GB
GIGABYTE 1070G1
SEASONIC 750W Titanium
COOLERMASTER HAF932
CORSAIR H100iGTX
W7 Ultimate/64
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I saw that first picture and I thought you were really working the wire management, but no. . . second picture says otherwise.
I bet it screams though.
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this was with que depth set to 6, cpu has 6 cores
OCZ RD400/400A
WILL POST UP OTHER TEST RESULTS.
guess I ready for vr
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I saw that first picture and I thought you were really working the wire management, but no. . . second picture says otherwise.
I bet it screams though.
ur so critical.... :ahand
case wire is easy to deal, but the psu stuff needs to float a bit till things are solidified. I do like the modular cabling, just dump what you do not need. With the nvme drive and 1 vid card, whole lot less. Last step is to add in an old sata2 ssd as a pagefile drive.
I'm gonna turn off everything and make it a dedicated AH PC!
:salute
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ur so critical.... :ahand
case wire is easy to deal, but the psu stuff needs to float a bit till things are solidified. I do like the modular cabling, just dump what you do not need. With the nvme drive and 1 vid card, whole lot less. Last step is to add in an old sata2 ssd as a pagefile drive.
I'm gonna turn off everything and make it a dedicated AH PC!
:salute
I'd like to hear your take on how that I7 6850K CPU works out once you've run it around the block a couple of times............
:salute
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after much gyration and abject failure, I failed to get w 7 EFI installed on my new rig. I could get an MBR setup but it was not right some how.
I spent hours, multiple searches, uefi boot sticks yada yada yada.
Today I installed w10. 30min, done. Has UEFI install and so far appears to be functioning better than it was.
The ATTO report is pushing the rated read/writes advertised for the RD400 ULTRA M.2.
All drivers installed, and got the game installed. Everything works. knock on wood!
Why would the install of 3 place the DX9 shortcut and not the DX11 one on desktop?
:salute
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They just changed it so the default installation is DX9.
Windows 7 has to have the latest BIOS for your MB and it has to support UEFI. The Windows 7 SP1 x64 DVD will boot in UEFI mode and only then will it work, but you're right Windows 10 is boom, one and done.
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I have never had a problem with UEFI support in Windows 7, but like Chalenge said, you have to make sure the BIOS support is solid.
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do I know it. every body and his brother was able to use w7 in uefi. just not me!
1st was this error,
cx8004242.
W7 would not install to the 100MB efi partition it created. error reflects a to small size......................... ..
using diskpart to create the GPT scheme was the workaround. made my own efi partition at 260MB, windows install will start.
2nd error was this,
stop: c0000218 {Registry File Failure}
the registry cannot load hive (file):\Systemroot\System32\config\system or its log or alternate.
its corrupt, absent or not writable.
This occurred after initial unpack, 1st reboot this BSOD pops at windows gui screen. So it will not finish install. Could not get around it.
Mobo has updated FW and is CSM ready. yada yada yada
I know its not the usb sticks cuz I made the w10 stick as well.
weird thing as well. I had bought another w7 key so as to be legal. it activated this w10 install????????????????????????
W10 what an eye candy cluster fuuccc. more useless junk jeez
who's got the w10 component services list for disablement?
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My biggest issue w\ Win 10 HP at the time I tried to install it on my box was device driver initialization after OS install and probably the USB initialization during POST issue as well.
I just might wait until AMD's Zen CPU's come out then build a full AMD box ( I still have my XFX Radeon BE R9 290X vid card to use)then try to install Win 10 on it and see how it goes then.
Hope all is working well for you now.
:salute
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Yes Pudg ty it all functioning well with w10.
Drivers were no issue, only issue I have now is disabling crap. CORTANA for instance, I turned off everything and it still takes ram. MS has some bloat you cannot uninstall. The only way to disable updates is with the component services option. pita.
I believe theres something running in background that's causing an occasional Frame rate drop/freeze. Last night I disabled everything in AH 3 DX11, card profile is all 3d app setting or off. Ran 2048 text.This high end machine still balks occasionally. GTX 1070 with 8GB of DDR5........................
Some of this is internet lag, but I think theres something more happening.
Either way this pc is state of the art, it should eat AH code np................
:salute