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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Chris79 on July 17, 2016, 11:58:08 PM
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Just asking for an opinion. Is this, or is this not a HO. The first two images are from my perspective, the last two from the enemy. I am the icon-less AC in the top left corner of the last two images
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No HO, and HOing is A-Ok to do anyways. I always begged for my opponents to try and HO me and it is literally the easiest shot to avoid. Remember, if you died to a HO shot then you literally flew into your opponents guns, so good job on killing yourself :aok
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I have proven time and time again. I will only ho those who point their face at me.
semp
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hand picking the frames that fit the story and leaving out the ones that tell it.
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hand picking the frames that fit the story and leaving out the ones that tell it.
what about the friggin frames before these? the ones that show you coming in from my 12 to the spot these frames show. look at the 110, you can see hes pulling and was at my right and following you from my right. seems like you left that part out of these frames. im pretty sure theyll show you spraying like hell to get that ever loving kill, God forbid you dont get that red guy down any way possible. even though you had 5 other reds ganging me. you see my teammates in these frames well well after the fight had been dragging on. i thought it was poor form but all i said was thanks for the ho shot.
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what about the friggin frames before these? the ones that show you coming in from my 12 to the spot these frames show. the ones that show you pulling as hard as you can to get that ho shot. by the time this frame comes, youre pulling hard because im about to pass you and you have a split second to hit me and you do. but before these frames your at my 12 spraying from what i remember. the 110 even shows where you were and which shows you were pullin for the ho shot.hes following you and has been and it shows you were in front of my guns. my wing is tipped trying to avoid it. thats what is happening, not what youre trying to make it seem like. by the time this part of the fight happened the fight had been going for a while before my teammates got there and you and 5 or 6 other guys are ganging the one guy who shows up to meet you. you had a gang of helpers and still took that shot. God forbid you dont get that ever lovin kill any way you can. it wasnt a big deal and all i said was thanks for the ho. 2 seconds later i didnt give a crap. but i think im done playing fair with you guys who do anything for a kill. i can do that too.
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Paging OBX, OBX to reception please, fuss in progress.
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Sounds like SOMEONE is a little upset about being killed in a video game :lol
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Double Post! YAY! :cool:
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To make a true decision I need the film. But I bet they were nose to nose aimed at each other before the screenshots and voodoo blinked first.
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I have a hard time understanding how people who have been playing for years and sometimes decades still complain about HO's...
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I have a hard time understanding how people who have been playing for years and sometimes decades still complain about HO's...
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It's because they are the greatest of the greats! The pinnacle of skill! No one can ever hope to touch their skill level. After all, they've spent 10+ years on this game so they have learned everything there is to know about everything. If they die then it's not from lack of skill because they're the best! It's because the person who killed them cheated somehow, or they were afk at the time, or weren't flying seriously, or one of another thousand excuses.
It's NEVER their fault they die even though they are the one in control of their own plane. :rofl
Probably the greatest feeling ever is killing an elitist, having them rage at you, come back to kill you and then you kill them again. :devil
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Some people will always complain about you even if they fly into the ground. Just ignore them. :D
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Seeing a lot more HO attempts on the second merge...which is kinda shadey because they get you thinking it will be a clean fight (like in the DA) on the initial merge just to shoot you in the face in the second....they always have tracers turned off as well which is gamey to me when it comes to HO.
If it's getting to you the next time someone takes an HO shot just get an alt advantage and start BnZing them....they will call you boring and lame but it will make them not have their favorite shot (and a lot of times the only shot they have at killing you)
Being HOed, Picked, Ganged, ect ect...in the end they are pretty much admitting they can't kill you 1v1 so no need to get mad.
As far as this situation....need the film, only way to see it...maybe the N1k had angles but saw HO coming so he pulled away from HO just to get shot front quarter.
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As far as this situation....need the film, only way to see it...maybe the N1k had angles but saw HO coming so he pulled away from HO just to get shot front quarter.
That's what it looks like to me. The Nik pulled right to avoid a HO and then the other plane got the front quarter shot position. This is a risk for the Nik obviously. If the other plane missed, the Nik could have used it to gain the advantage. That's the whole purpose of avoiding the HO, which I highly recommend. The other plane was able to get the shot and that's just good aiming and or good luck on his part.
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The only mistake you made is responding to a rage PM or tuning 200 and listening to a whine. Keep flying and ignore both in the future! :aok
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I dont care about rage 200 or pms one way or the other, this was just an honest question. It seems to me that the Niki was maneuvering to gain a shot on Bolow and was either unaware or did not care of my presence. I
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Niki didn't even try to get out of the way. He could have shot as well but instead pulls a small lazy right turn and then thinks for whatever reason that you won't shoot him now. Next time Mr. Niki, turn harder.
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Guys! I was surfing the web just now, looking at old photos from WW2 and I came across a very strange image.
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What is that!? I mean, I know that's the cockpit of a P-51 but when I first saw it I thought something looked strange about it. I couldn't quite put my finger on it until I really looked hard and then I saw it. That weird object in the middle. What exactly is that? It might be hard to see since the photo is quite old. It took me a while to see it as well so I'll go ahead and highlight it.
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That thing I circled in red. Just what the heck is that? I have never seen an object like that in any aircraft of any era. Is this photoshopped? I'm quite interested in knowing what that strange object is and what it might do if it's real. :headscratch: :headscratch:
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I read a book that said a few planes were equipped with something called a "bliss wand".
HiTech
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like i said, i didnt give a crap 2 seconds later. i only said anything as a public shaming type deal since he was 1of 6 vs 1. to me, it seems when youre ganging you dont need to ho the guy. you have plenty of room to maneuver. thats only my opinion though.
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like i said, i didnt give a crap 2 seconds later. i only said anything as a public shaming type deal since he was 1of 6 vs 1. to me, it seems when youre ganging you dont need to ho the guy. you have plenty of room to maneuver. thats only my opinion though.
Clearly the problem is you didn't shout "Home Free!" as you flew across his gunsight. If you don't do that, people are going to pull the trigger.
Wiley.
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btw, Chuikov, theres no hard feelings at all, and never was. i get irritated flying all that way to get ganged and whatever else happens. then i pipe up about it, because it takes so much time to do anything in this game. but theres nothing personal and not your fault i pay 15 a month. i dont know why i even play.
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I dont care about rage 200 or pms one way or the other, this was just an honest question. It seems to me that the Niki was maneuvering to gain a shot on Bolow and was either unaware or did not care of my presence. I
The answer is no...he pulled away from HO, so technically he was not HO with you. He did however have a decent angle to make one there, at least as far as I can tell from these films...depending on the situation I would or would not have taken this shot...in a 1v1 with this type of angle I would have pulled away from shot from both perspectives, in the MA where a countrymen is about to die....depends, do I think the N1k deserves the kill?? Has he been fighting alone against a few?? Then maybe I don't take the shot....but what if it's 2v5 and he's one of the 5...yea I'm blasting his gang banging butt out of the sky :aok
And if it's to clear a Pig...well I've been known to sacrifice for them so I'm probably ramming you too.
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I will end it here. If you noticed this first set of images I deliberately omitted any handles pertaining to the rooks as to not publicly shame anyone. If you feel as if this were a witch hunt of sorts then I do apologize. Secondly, of all the AC within 2k of the incident in question, 3 were Knight and 2 were Rook. In total, there were 8 Knight AC and 7 Rook that were within range of the film. It may have been for a short period of time a 6 on 1, but numbers seemed to have evened out towards the end.
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I will end it here. If you noticed this first set of images I deliberately omitted any handles pertaining to the rooks as to not publicly shame anyone. If you feel as if this were a witch hunt of sorts then I do apologize. Secondly, of all the AC within 2k of the incident in question, 3 were Knight and 2 were Rook. In total, there were 8 Knight AC and 7 Rook that were within range of the film. It may have been for a short period of time a 6 on 1, but numbers seemed to have evened out towards the end.
nah, amigo, no one would even know it was me if i didnt say anything here in this thread. i know you arent witch hunting. i appreciate the name omissions, but i have nothing to hide. the people in this game know i get pissy at certain things. i know their disdain for me and i know i earned it. but my intent is not ill and i think the disdain is misplaced.
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Personally, I hope they go for the HO.... Makes it easy to get the reverse and send them to the tower <shrug>
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I wish players would call it what it is...A John Wayne merge!
Ho is such a derogatory name....
I would call that shot an acute angle frontal attack! If a player flies through your gun sight and you dont shoot,then who is the fool?
Now had this been a duel,it might have been poor form,"IF" that was the first merge and it was agreed that it would be a guns cold merge..... otherwise.... it was just a nice shot! :aok
:salute
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I read a book that said a few planes were equipped with something called a "bliss wand".
HiTech
When I was a kid we weren't allowed to use the slang term for it. :D
Ho is such a derogatory name....
It's just an acronym for Head On. You could call it a HAM for High Aspect Merge. :aok
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Any time both parties *could* have a firing angle, it's a HO, IMO. Effectively a joust.
In my utopia, every fight should end with a clear six-shot.
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HAM, I like that term better, I am more fond of Virginia Ham then Kentucky Hos
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I read a book that said a few planes were equipped with something called a "bliss wand".
HiTech
Kinky :banana:
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In my utopia, every fight should end with a clear six-shot.
Some people look unkindly on people that shoot others in the back.... :lipsrsealed:
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Some people look unkindly on people that shoot others in the back.... :lipsrsealed:
IMHO AW was more fun less HO's, Aces is more realistic with them
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If you can't dodge a wrench you can't dodge a HO :old:
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If you can't dodge a wrench you can't dodge a HO :old:
Chevy guy through and through
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My rules on HO shots:
If I'm outnumbered, I will HO you.
If you HO me, I will HO you.
If I think you will HO me, I will HO you.
Depending on what I'm flying, I will HO the following planes without provocation:
B-239
Corsair
Yak-3
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My rules on HO shots:
If I'm outnumbered, I will HO you.
If you HO me, I will HO you.
If I think you will HO me, I will HO you.
Depending on what I'm flying, I will HO the following planes without provocation:
B-239
Corsair
Yak-3
But never ever HO a 110...
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My rules on HO shots:
1. It's my fault when it occurs
2. I try to avoid it
3. If I'm caught in one because I've failed #1 and/or #2, I pull the trigger
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But never ever HO a 110...
I had a Zero HO my 110C. I lost. :bhead
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My thoughts on HO's:
-- I have no ethical qualms about HO's and believe them to be as valid a shot as anything else.
-- They were used plenty in real WWII combat.
-- It takes a lot of skill to land a HO against someone who isn't gifting you with the shot.
-- You can avoid most of them.
-- If you get hit in a HO, it is your own fault.
-- I will take the HO if it is a good shot for me.
-- I will take the HO if I can't otherwise evade the other guy's HO.
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I had a Zero HO my 110C. I lost. :bhead
Was it being flown by me? I thought when I did it it was a 110-G2, but might be misremembering.
I make it a point to avoid my opponent's guns regardless of which way my plane is facing for the most part. Occasionally if a guy seems to want to HO me really bad I'll give it to him.
What Brooke said about catches it. Outnumbered, I'll take whatever shot they give me.
Wiley.
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I see your points but still say it was more fun without the HO considerations
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I see your points but still say it was more fun without the HO considerations
I don't mean it as a slam, but more a question about the logic, trying to help people maybe enjoy the game more-
I assume you'd agree you can't guarantee a random person will not HO you. Why not just assume he will, and conduct yourself accordingly? If you always avoid the sharp end of the bad guy because you expect him to shoot, you won't be surprised and disappointed when he does.
I just don't understand why people hinge their enjoyment of the game on the hope the guy they're fighting won't take any possible shot they give him.
Wiley.
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I don't mean it as a slam, but more a question about the logic, trying to help people maybe enjoy the game more-
I assume you'd agree you can't guarantee a random person will not HO you. Why not just assume he will, and conduct yourself accordingly? If you always avoid the sharp end of the bad guy because you expect him to shoot, you won't be surprised and disappointed when he does.
I just don't understand why people hinge their enjoyment of the game on the hope the guy they're fighting won't take any possible shot they give him.
Wiley.
No slam taken, I do assume they will HO and act accordingly, its the times when they don't have to HO, I can sense it I'm sure they can sense it, but they do it any way, you give them an off nose basically letting them know you're not going to HO lets have a good fight and they turn into you like that's all they want to do, it just well still bugs me most likely because of my old AW connection.
The fights just seemed different, more free wheeling, worked harder to get the six position, no cheap shots.
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I always try to avoid a HO unless I am outnumbered. At which point I am going to take every available shot I can get. Mainly in the defense of a base or the defense of a goon...
However, if given opportunity, I may pull a trigger about 1.8 out just to see how an opponent reacts.
I suck at the HO. Hell. I can be in a 110 HO with a Spit 1 and I will likely lose!!! No kidding!
My advice is this. If someone is lining you up for that shot. Do something about it. Otherwise you are just as guilty. When I get killed by the HO shot, I am also at fault. I should have lured them in, react, then act...
It is not s tactic. It is not a fighting style. It is a survival technique when options have run out. It was done for real.
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I see your points but still say it was more fun without the HO considerations
You might find more fun with it if you viewed it kind of like giving your opponent a brief crossing shot opportunity (but trying to time your twist/jink just right so that he misses)... You're basically riding the edge and trying to narrowly miss his shot, and if you do, you're going to get an advantage in the fight... If you didn't, well, good for him. If you look at it like dodging a train, it makes it more fun, IMO.
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HO is legit, and useful, and can be lame. But why not. Without it (and collisions) you get the same old worn out AW style merge/fite where the tighter turner has a distinct advantage.
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The head-on shot is an important part of real ACM. If the threat of it does not exist, a large part of ACM is changed from what it was in reality, especially merges.
Also, in the extreme case of head-on's not working at all, you get totally unrealistic fights, like Tumor says. You can flounder around at stall, a sitting duck, but as long as you get your nose to within 45 degrees of an enemy, he can't shoot you.
A Storch becomes unkillable.
-- It takes as much skill to land head-on shots as it does to land any other shot.
-- If you have maneuvering speed, you can avoid head-on hits from the large majority of AH pilots.
-- If you don't have maneuvering speed, you don't deserve to be saved just because you got your nose pointed vaguely in the direction of the attacker.
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Paging OBX, OBX to reception please, fuss in progress.
OBX, TRD!
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No HO, and HOing is A-Ok to do anyways. I always begged for my opponents to try and HO me and it is literally the easiest shot to avoid. Remember, if you died to a HO shot then you literally flew into your opponents guns, so good job on killing yourself :aok
Depends on what Arena you were in.
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I never begrudged people for shooting me in the face in the main arena, I tried not to myself but I never expected others to follow suit. If I was in the DA for example however, sometimes it just happens. There will be those "iffy-maybe it was maybe it wasn't shots" but I always just apologized for them and kept on going. No point in wringing your hands over it.
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Was it being flown by me? I thought when I did it it was a 110-G2, but might be misremembering.
I make it a point to avoid my opponent's guns regardless of which way my plane is facing for the most part. Occasionally if a guy seems to want to HO me really bad I'll give it to him.
What Brooke said about catches it. Outnumbered, I'll take whatever shot they give me.
Wiley.
Don't remember who it was, but do remember getting multiple hits on him (probably just with the crappy bb guns) in a few BNZ passes. He was already leaking fuel and my 110C was undamaged when we ended up in a head on merge. My tail got blown off and he just got an oil leak. :furious
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To add to what I said earlier... ya, the HO "HAS" to be an acceptable shot if you want any sort of realism. However, as with ~everything~ else in AH there are certain types of people who are going to lame it up. This is where we run into problems in the game. Dig into of any problematic aspect of this game and you'll pretty much find the root cause to be a (or the) lame.
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My view is if you fly in front of my guns I will shoot you. Everything else you read about honor or skill for taking certain shots is nonsense. So a head-on shot is an acceptible, if stupid, way to kill an enemy plane. A dead-on zero deflection shot is (usually) a coin-toss as to who will come out on top. Sometime the answer is neither. Certain factors can skew the odds to some degree, including each planes relative armament or suseptability to critical damage, but its still a pretty dumb tactic.
I also agree with the previous post that an HO is easy to avoid and, while doing so, you can put yourself in an advantagous position over your opponant. Example: most virtual pilots who fly British planes in IL2 Cliffs of Dover will take a HO shot when facing a 109 because they have more than even odds of doing crticial engine damage with the bazillion .303 rounds they can pump out with their 8 guns. My favorite tactic is to get them to bite on the HO shot then pull vertical over them just before they shoot. Usually I end up either on their rear quarter or with a verticle position advantage and am able to end the fight pretty quickly afterwards.
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I never begrudged people for shooting me in the face in the main arena, I tried not to myself but I never expected others to follow suit. If I was in the DA for example however, sometimes it just happens. There will be those "iffy-maybe it was maybe it wasn't shots" but I always just apologized for them and kept on going. No point in wringing your hands over it.
When I'm dueling someone I very much mean it when I say "guns cold first merge, after that anything goes."
Then I try my best not to get shot!
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When I'm dueling someone I very much mean it when I say "guns cold first merge, after that anything goes."
Then I try my best not to get shot!
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If I was dueling for the ladder here or something I would as well, I should have clarified I was talking more about friendly duels for fun.
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Are you still flying btw? I need someone to knock some rust off of me. I'm not sure I can fly in the DA for 4 or 5 hours like we used to, but I probably have 1 or 2 in me
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Nothing is more satisfying than when a Niki/Spit/La/Pony dweeb dives in for the HO and your 37mm/or 30mm connects just as they go guns hot. You don't even have to avoid them as they get blown out of the sky :D
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In a 410 with 30mm 103 any 110g2 die in a HO any day, he will be dead before he get in range.
The guns have even better trajectory than the Hispanos.
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O-Ho?
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O-Ho?
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Oh-No
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