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one heck of a bomber stream. no shortage of friendly fire hehehehehe
(http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww64/captain1ma/111bombers_zps1svosrsj.jpg) (http://s706.photobucket.com/user/captain1ma/media/111bombers_zps1svosrsj.jpg.html)
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The gathering over the channel was impressive to say the least almost brought you back to a time and place in history :salute , I haven't seen this in FSO in a long time and continues to enforce why FSO is the best part of this game , thank you to all that put time into this... :salute CANUKK
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Yes what a massive formation. Biggest I've ever been a part of. Epic was really a good word to describe it. :banana: :banana: :banana:
Sorry I shot you. :D
Really loving FSO!! Great folks and fun. :rock
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no apologies necessary...... just get ready to duck next time!! LOL
was a great time, no matter what. its the first time in a FSO, that I suddenly looked at the clock and
realized it was 1230(my time). time just flew it was so intense!
<S> kanth
<S> all FSO participants!!!
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Yeah.. it was pretty intense!!
(http://www.xancrom.com/412th/HE111_1.jpg)
(http://www.xancrom.com/412th/HE111_2.jpg)
(http://www.xancrom.com/412th/HE111_3.jpg)
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Very impressive formations! Being on the Allied receiving end this was probably the least fun FSO for me personally. Axis enjoyed a 20-25% number advantage each frame. I can accept this as a "historical" nod to the scenario. Unfortunately, limited combat time of the 109 over Britain was not accurately portrayed. The Axis historically suffered such high losses due to the bombers having to come without escort, except for 110's. In each frame I engaged 109's (twice in a Hurri and once in a Spit) and each time, after a good five to ten minute air battle, I observed the 109's continue to the British target to maintain CAP over it until the bombers dropped/headed for home.
Please understand I am not berating the Axis. The planning the Axis showed was very evident. Nor am I unappreciative of the hard work the FSO committee and CIC's put forward. The fun factor was just not there for me or my squad and the player turnout each frame seems to indicate I was not alone.
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HEheheh. Fun for the flyswatter, not so much for the fly! I was allied and appreciate the historical accuracy more than if I actually stood a chance. :D Of the three frames I liked this one best because I had a chance to wing up and fight for a while before splatting.
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The Pigs came at the huge formation from the West while it was just short of land fall over England. Awesome sight. Being Pigs our eyes misjudged our actual ability to handle the whole Axis Air Force by ourselves. We jumped in anyway and attacked the high cap 109's. Was some serious dog fighting fun!
:salute
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It was a whole bunch of fun. For once the Axis had the big bomber formation that we fighters had to protect.
There were 92 allied fighters against 82 Axis fighters, looks like a numbers ADVANTAGE to allied to me because the buffs are just targets.
I know I thought several times I would love to be the fighter pilot attacking all those lovely buffs, light buffs at that.
Great job POTW getting involved in the FSO's. Yours was the largest squad by far with 17 pilots for the allied. I'm really glad you guys got here.
I personally, in my humble opinion, if you are judging how much fun you have on whether you live or die, you are doing it wrong.
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There were 92 allied fighters against 82 Axis fighters, looks like a numbers ADVANTAGE to allied to me because the buffs are just targets.
But the buffs are not just targets, when the opposition is throwing .303s and a passing snapshot on a bomber does nothing. Having to hold steady and concentrate fire in one spot from practically point blank range, makes the Spits and Hurris easy targets for the Axis fighters and the bomber gunners.
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I forgot I only had 303s!!! Started pinging some 110s and nothing happened :bhead
Was a good time, Zoney you're absolutely right.
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Great screen shots thanks! :cheers:
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Great night and that buff group was awesome
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd476/AcesHighDitto/Hits%20Dark%20Hourse.jpg)
Makes Friday nights fun
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one heck of a bomber stream. no shortage of friendly fire hehehehehe
Yeah.. it was pretty intense!!
Very nice. An immersive experience to be sure. :salute
Very impressive formations! Being on the Allied receiving end this was probably the least fun FSO for me personally. Axis enjoyed a 20-25% number advantage each frame. I can accept this as a "historical" nod to the scenario. Unfortunately, limited combat time of the 109 over Britain was not accurately portrayed. The Axis historically suffered such high losses due to the bombers having to come without escort, except for 110's. In each frame I engaged 109's (twice in a Hurri and once in a Spit) and each time, after a good five to ten minute air battle, I observed the 109's continue to the British target to maintain CAP over it until the bombers dropped/headed for home.
Quoted for truth. Perhaps in next BoB scenario, limit German fuel to 75%.
Please understand I am not berating the Axis.
I won't berate the planning, execution or even the skill of the players; but, the number of squads honoring the fascists is too much.
The Nazis lost. The world is better off for it.
Deal with it.
Nor am I unappreciative of the hard work the FSO committee and CIC's put forward. The fun factor was just not there for me or my squad and the player turnout each frame seems to indicate I was not alone.
I enjoy FSO, which totally justifies my subscription. The volunteers that put the time in deserve our appreciation.
In my opinion, the scenario is imbalanced. In every frame, there were dozens of Axis fighters overhead.
In addition to the aforementioned Axis fuel tweak:
1. Make the dar bar information real time for Allies.
2. Give the Allies radar dots.
3. Let bailed out Allies launch a fresh plane.
4. Balance the numbers.
Just some thoughts.
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The side balance was the same as CM Binos previous incarnation of BoB. I dunno...every FSO plays out differently I have seen it many times. Similar plane sets and #s but wide differences in outcomes <shrug>.
Appreciate the feedback. :salute
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I won't berate the planning, execution or even the skill of the players; but, the number of squads honoring the fascists is too much.
The Nazis lost. The world is better off for it.
Deal with it.
You obviously have no clue.
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When I was on the CM team I designed four Battle Of Britain FSO events, usually during the summer. When the "FuelBurnRateMult" setting was altered from it's FSO standard of 1.0, there were bitter complaints. Most of those were along the lines of "it's not fun". As it happens, the BOB maps we have are scaled to the real world at 1:1, so the FBRM setting of 1.0 is accurate.
The objective of FSO has been to provide an "even-ish" setup with both the high probability of contact (i.e., required targets) and historical flavor. It has not been historical re-enactment.
I think FSO is still the best thing in the game.
:salute
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When we first made contact with allied aircraft, it was one Hurri flying into the formations of the HE111's. And then they seemed to come in 2 to four at a time. If I was allied CIC, I might have played it a little differently. You know that there will be a fighter sweep prior to the bombers coming in. And figure that the bombers won't arrive until earliest t+45 and latest t+57. Instead of committing to the sweep, leave a token force of resistance and let the bombers approach target, and then, in mass, commit your entire reserves at once. Hit them when they are trying to line up and drop instead of trying to intercept early. The sweep can decimate your numbers and force your pilots to a lower altitude and then by the time the bombers arrive it's really tough to do anything in force. A smaller force drawing in the sweep would have aided the larger reserve force that would be attacking from on high en mass.
I know, easier said than done. Plans go out the window when things get hot. But I think this approach would have been the best. You know the bombers will get in and drop. Let them. If you hit them just as they are or when they are trying to turn for home with your force still intact... who knows?
<<S>> to you all. It was fun. See ya in a few weeks! :rock
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When we first made contact with allied aircraft, it was one Hurri flying into the formations of the HE111's.
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And the vox LAG was insane.
We all laughed as the 'There's a hurricane that just went through the bombers' vox message finally made it through the queue.. I kid you not.. a full 3 minutes after the Hurri quit being a Hurri anymore..
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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When I was on the CM team I designed four Battle Of Britain FSO events, usually during the summer. When the "FuelBurnRateMult" setting was altered from it's FSO standard of 1.0, there were bitter complaints. Most of those were along the lines of "it's not fun". As it happens, the BOB maps we have are scaled to the real world at 1:1, so the FBRM setting of 1.0 is accurate.
The objective of FSO has been to provide an "even-ish" setup with both the high probability of contact (i.e., required targets) and historical flavor. It has not been historical re-enactment.
I think FSO is still the best thing in the game.
:salute
Thanks for the info Bino. I was not sure the map scale and fuel burn were the same. I only questioned it since most historical sources note the limited combat time available to the 109's. I have played the BoB FSO's many times before and this time it seemed more unbalanced with more loiter time for the 109's. As Squire noted the same FSO can have many different outcomes (one of the reasons I enjoy them). I totally agree that FSO is the best time to be had in AH and never wish it to be a historical re-enactment. Thanks again to the FSO staff and CIC's. :salute
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Very nice. An immersive experience to be sure. :salute
Quoted for truth. Perhaps in next BoB scenario, limit German fuel to 75%.
I won't berate the planning, execution or even the skill of the players; but, the number of squads honoring the fascists is too much.
The Nazis lost. The world is better off for it.
Deal with it.
I normally don't chime in on somethimg like this buy I think you need a little insight on this. We're not honoring the fascists, were honoring the pilots who flew the planes. The nazis were a political party, not the entire German people. Most Luftwaffe pilots were not Nazis, my grandfather who flew for the Luftwaffe on the eastern front was not a Nazi. He told my father that they were not to be affiliated with any political party as a condition for acceptance into the Luftwaffe!!! Not disrespect intended Rufleak <S>
I enjoy FSO, which totally justifies my subscription. The volunteers that put the time in deserve our appreciation.
In my opinion, the scenario is imbalanced. In every frame, there were dozens of Axis fighters overhead.
In addition to the aforementioned Axis fuel tweak:
1. Make the dar bar information real time for Allies.
2. Give the Allies radar dots.
3. Let bailed out Allies launch a fresh plane.
4. Balance the numbers.
Just some thoughts.
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And the vox LAG was insane.
We all laughed as the 'There's a hurricane that just went through the bombers' vox message finally made it through the queue.. I kid you not.. a full 3 minutes after the Hurri quit being a Hurri anymore..
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Had the same experience and we had a good laugh too. :devil
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Strange how the VOX appeared to be fine until that Hurricane through, I guess the reports of the Hurricane all hit at once, causing the lag.
It Was quite amusing.
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When I was on the CM team I designed four Battle Of Britain FSO events, usually during the summer. When the "FuelBurnRateMult" setting was altered from it's FSO standard of 1.0, there were bitter complaints. Most of those were along the lines of "it's not fun". As it happens, the BOB maps we have are scaled to the real world at 1:1, so the FBRM setting of 1.0 is accurate.
The objective of FSO has been to provide an "even-ish" setup with both the high probability of contact (i.e., required targets) and historical flavor. It has not been historical re-enactment.
I think FSO is still the best thing in the game.
:salute
The 10 minutes over London story is a shibboleth.
It was originally rolled out to something of the form "30 minutes fighting time over Southern England and 10 minutes fighting time over London". I have never seen a single reference source that has had the backing of any actual research, scientific or just practical testing.
It is more of an unknown nonsense that is just about the first thing thrown out in any high school student's essay on the Battle of Britain.
There are so many factors that involve themselves in real life situations that to make such a "rule" would be untenable. A couple worth thinking about:
The form up time required for large formations in 1940 is significantly different to today. Whilst the Germans actually had superior radar at the time (another shibboleth - only the British had radar) they didn't have the organisation behind the technology to gain great advantage from it. Much fuel and time was used in just finding who you were supposed to escort at the right place and at the right time. Both sides spent the war trying to solve those problems and never truly achieved success.
Tactical considerations were paramount. If a 109 was to fly direct to London and conduct a leisure flight there before returning to the French coast it could spend a wonderful afternoon sight-seeing.
It only takes a 109 about 4 and a half minutes to cross the Channel under operational conditions. Things were different in the mass daytime attacks in August 1940. It wasn't so simple at all.
If a 109 had to climb over France, find its own wing, take up its position, intercept its bomber group and then weave back and forward above them in close escort, then it used up most of its time/fuel in those mundane tasks and not fighting.
It wasn't one-sided either. The Allies may have had a fighter that could fly to Berlin and back but they were still forced to send in relief waves as the escorts burned up their fuel long before they got there.
Believe it or not, the same still happens today.
All that said, I would reckon there weren't many Axis single-engine fighters that spent more than 10 minutes fighting over London in this last frame.
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as a "almost full time" axis player, we have NOT lost the war yet. hope springs eternal!....... in my mind!! :aok
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the number of squads honoring the fascists is too much.
What a totally insulting and immature comment to make.
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I totally agree with you Vulcan, if you look at my last post, ( I did it wrong so it ended up in the middle of his post) maybe he'll understand a little better as to why we fly axis!!! :salute :salute :salute
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I totally agree with you Vulcan, if you look at my last post, ( I did it wrong so it ended up in the middle of his post) maybe he'll understand a little better as to why we fly axis!!! :salute :salute :salute
I, for one, missed it in your quoted post Dragon and because of the volumes your reply speaks, I'm quoting you...
The Nazis lost. The world is better off for it.
Deal with it.
FBDragon's reply: I normally don't chime in on somethimg like this buy I think you need a little insight on this. We're not honoring the fascists, were honoring the pilots who flew the planes. The nazis were a political party, not the entire German people. Most Luftwaffe pilots were not Nazis, my grandfather who flew for the Luftwaffe on the eastern front was not a Nazi. He told my father that they were not to be affiliated with any political party as a condition for acceptance into the Luftwaffe!!! Not disrespect intended Rufleak <S>
I enjoy FSO, which totally justifies my subscription. The volunteers that put the time in deserve our appreciation.
I worked as CiC for a BoB FSO frame about a year ago and everyone lost their mind about the bases I selected for launching the Bf109s :D They were too far from the coast and would not allow for any time over British soil, so I moved them forward. Would it be more realistic to force the Axis fighter bases back a bit causing a little more of a fuel constraint? Obviously, we can't handicap the Axis to the point that the bombers are not escorted, but the last planes over London should not be furballing Bf109s and Bf110s as the He111s are landing. Just my $0.02
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Alpo, it sometimes comes down to semantics.
Rudel was a Nazi. Rudel was a Stuka pilot in the Luftwaffe. Therefore...
I believe that there were folks that joined an organization (and maybe not participated in it) if it meant they could realize their dream of doing something as amazing as flying a combat aircraft. Rudel is on record - he drank the Koolaid - and probably died still believing certain Nazi horsepucky.
Absolutes are difficult, and I'd never absolutely dispute what your grandfather said about the matter.
:salute
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:rofl
It would appear that I screwed up my quoting too! The italicized quote was from Rufus followed by FBDragon's response in bold.
Sorry for the confusion, but I understand what you are saying in how it all worked back then. :salute
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:rofl
It would appear that I screwed up my quoting too! The italicized quote was from Rufus followed by FBDragon's response in bold.
Sorry for the confusion, but I understand what you are saying in how it all worked back then. :salute
:salute :salute :salute I know what you meant. Were there Nazi pilots, absolutely there were, but mostly not. If you look you'll find that there were A-holes on both sides. I just wanted him to have a clearer understanding of why we fly axis. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :salute :salute :salute
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When we first made contact with allied aircraft, it was one Hurri flying into the formations of the HE111's. And then they seemed to come in 2 to four at a time. If I was allied CIC, I might have played it a little differently. You know that there will be a fighter sweep prior to the bombers coming in. And figure that the bombers won't arrive until earliest t+45 and latest t+57. Instead of committing to the sweep, leave a token force of resistance and let the bombers approach target, and then, in mass, commit your entire reserves at once. Hit them when they are trying to line up and drop instead of trying to intercept early. The sweep can decimate your numbers and force your pilots to a lower altitude and then by the time the bombers arrive it's really tough to do anything in force. A smaller force drawing in the sweep would have aided the larger reserve force that would be attacking from on high en mass.
I know, easier said than done. Plans go out the window when things get hot. But I think this approach would have been the best. You know the bombers will get in and drop. Let them. If you hit them just as they are or when they are trying to turn for home with your force still intact... who knows?
<<S>> to you all. It was fun. See ya in a few weeks! :rock
I agree.
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Being a US Marine. A long line of generations of Marines run in my family. In fact, the family tree goes back to the Barbary Pirates War. Marines will understand this. I actually have in my possession an original Mameluke Sword from the original time it was presented to the Marines.
My Great Grandfather was in Belleleau Wood in The Great War. My Grand Father was on Mt. Sirabachi on Iwo when the famous flag raising took place in WWII. My father built Khe Sahn (sp?) from the ground up and on his second tour was wounded there during Tet. My father and I both were fighting the Cold War together and I was in Desert Storm.
By blood line alone, I am an American and a Marine.
When I first started flying FSO, I was insulted if I was assigned Japanese aircraft and I personally took it to heart because of what I grew up with. I seriously had moral issues flying Jap planes.
However, That is NOT what FSO is about as everyone is eluding to. I will admit, that even now, I will ALWAYS request Allies when the Pacific is involved. And I will ALWAYS request BLUE planes!!! >)
But in no way would I ever think or believe that one flies Axis because they are ideologically committed to a country. That is ridiculous. But I do want to point out, that especially the younger players (the new ones) could get confused. In time they, like me, will realize that this is simply about getting with friends online and having a blast, regardless of sides, planes, countries.
A chance to experience from the safety of our homes, the planning, strategies and tactics used. A chance to pitch in and help with squad organization, planning, recon, even CMing. To do something about the structure of the game.
Quite honestly I love this game. I love FSO. I really enjoy the company of everyone that plays the game. We all bring something to the table here.
Enjoy the FSO for what it actually is and not of the ideology of the country involved during the real thing...
Hope the lot of you all come to the MAs tonight and participate in the MEGA MISSION. Should be a ton of fun.
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Yep, great post SlipKnt. :rock
MEGA Mission you say?? :noid tonight? I hadn't heard of this? Are there details?
time/zone :
Place:
country:
Who's running it:
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maybe a seperate post somewhere prominent or a link to that post if it exists?
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Yep, great post SlipKnt. :rock
MEGA Mission you say?? :noid tonight? I hadn't heard of this? Are there details?
time/zone :
Place:
country:
Who's running it:
?
maybe a seperate post somewhere prominent or a link to that post if it exists?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,380298.0.html
Here ya go Kanth <S>
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Ohh Thank you, Zoney! <S>
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Being a US Marine. A long line of generations of Marines run in my family. In fact, the family tree goes back to the Barbary Pirates War. Marines will understand this. I actually have in my possession an original Mameluke Sword from the original time it was presented to the Marines.
My Great Grandfather was in Belleleau Wood in The Great War. My Grand Father was on Mt. Sirabachi on Iwo when the famous flag raising took place in WWII. My father built Khe Sahn (sp?) from the ground up and on his second tour was wounded there during Tet. My father and I both were fighting the Cold War together and I was in Desert Storm.
By blood line alone, I am an American and a Marine.
When I first started flying FSO, I was insulted if I was assigned Japanese aircraft and I personally took it to heart because of what I grew up with. I seriously had moral issues flying Jap planes.
However, That is NOT what FSO is about as everyone is eluding to. I will admit, that even now, I will ALWAYS request Allies when the Pacific is involved. And I will ALWAYS request BLUE planes!!! >)
But in no way would I ever think or believe that one flies Axis because they are ideologically committed to a country. That is ridiculous. But I do want to point out, that especially the younger players (the new ones) could get confused. In time they, like me, will realize that this is simply about getting with friends online and having a blast, regardless of sides, planes, countries.
A chance to experience from the safety of our homes, the planning, strategies and tactics used. A chance to pitch in and help with squad organization, planning, recon, even CMing. To do something about the structure of the game.
Quite honestly I love this game. I love FSO. I really enjoy the company of everyone that plays the game. We all bring something to the table here.
Enjoy the FSO for what it actually is and not of the ideology of the country involved during the real thing...
Hope the lot of you all come to the MAs tonight and participate in the MEGA MISSION. Should be a ton of fun.
:salute :salute :salute :salute :salute to you sir!!! I couldn't have said it better myself. I to, when it comes to Russian plans, I can't bring myself to fly them lol, but I have mad respect to those who do, and to the real pilots that did. In all sides of the war!!!! :cheers: :salute
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:salute
Semper Fi
I am "only" 3rd generation Marine. Great Great grandfather is from Ireland.
But, my grandfather on my mom's side was in the German Army.
Very well written. I think we can read the history and not support the ideology