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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: FX1 on August 13, 2016, 10:54:24 AM
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Lets start a list with video card that can handle ah3. I will require one and i am sure other people like myself will be in the same boat.
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I would be more interested in what card your computer has and why you feel like it needs to be upgraded. Just for informational purposes.
The video card decision is going to be based on what the player expects/wants in terms of graphic settings in the game. This is something we have not had to deal with for a long time and it is a new paradigm for many players.
For instance, the player who wants the highest frame rate with all the eye candy enabled will need/want a very different video card from the player who is happy with basic graphic settings and maintaining the vertical refresh rate in frame rate.
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I purchased this cpu just to be a stand alone for AH last year. It run AH2 smooth but in beta its not holding up well.
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I purchased this cpu just to be a stand alone for AH last year. It run AH2 smooth but in beta its not holding up well.
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Looked up the vid card...............AMD R7 240-250 class w\ 128-bit mem bus using 2 Gb either GDDR3 or GDDR5 mem.....pretty low on the totem pole for AMD......be better if R7 250X w\ 128-bit mem bus using 2Gb GDDR5 mem (top of this line performer) but still low overall...........
I would think the CPU would be OK but I haven't used an AMD CPU since the Athlon X2 days (had an Athlon X2 FX-60 back then) so someone else will need to chime in here on this part......................... ......
Hope this helps.
:salute
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An AMD 240 should run the Beta at 1920x1080 resolution, with all the graphic options disabled and setting the "Maximum Texture Size" to 1024. If you are expecting a solid frame rate of 60, it probably is not going to happen. 30 should be doable.
What everyone should do is compare their current video card to the NVidia 9800GTX+, as that is the baseline performance card (minimum requirement) for Aces High III.
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What everyone should do is compare their current video card to the NVidia 9800GTX+, as that is the baseline performance card (minimum requirement) for Aces High III.
One tool for that comparison is PassMark Video Card Benchmarks, where you can find the 9800 GTX+ on the Mid to High End Video Card Chart (http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/mid_range_gpus.html), scoring 928 on the sixth place of that chart. This leads to believe that any card on the High End Video Card Chart (http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html) should qualify since the lowest on the list scores 940.
Note that cards scoring 1000 or so meet the minimum requirement, they won't do well even with every feature disabled!
Knowing that HiTech uses a GTX 660 in his development system gives a hint that cards scoring 4000 or more should be able to draw 30+ FPS in all situations using default settings.
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An AMD 240 should run the Beta at 1920x1080 resolution, with all the graphic options disabled and setting the "Maximum Texture Size" to 1024. If you are expecting a solid frame rate of 60, it probably is not going to happen. 30 should be doable.
What everyone should do is compare their current video card to the NVidia 9800GTX+, as that is the baseline performance card (minimum requirement) for Aces High III.
which means with everything turned down or off the game is playable with this card. I DOESNT mean turn everything on and it plays great with this card.
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Nvidea 750ti doesn't cut it.
Everything turned off/min/zero on env slider.
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An AMD 240 should run the Beta at 1920x1080 resolution, with all the graphic options disabled and setting the "Maximum Texture Size" to 1024. If you are expecting a solid frame rate of 60, it probably is not going to happen. 30 should be doable.
What everyone should do is compare their current video card to the NVidia 9800GTX+, as that is the baseline performance card (minimum requirement) for Aces High III.
Hi Skuzzy,
Is the Nvidia 9800GTX+ vid card y'all using a 2Gb mem model?
If it is you might want to mention this as well as I have owned an EVGA 9800GTX+ vid card in times past but it was a 1Gb mem model and if mem serves me these cards at the base level also came out w\ 500Mb mem.........
If I am reading you correctly the reason why you suggested the 2Gb onboard vid card mem as minimum for AHIII is to minimize\eliminate the vid card using the graphics frame buffer swap file that the driver will request addressed in system mem (same reasoning why Win OS creates a page file on HDD) to help these vid cards perform better w\ AHIII by keeping the graphics frame buffer being used on the vid card's dedicated mem instead of it being swapped out to system mem, correct? The importance of meeting this suggestion is for performance reasoning, regardless of the rest of the vid card's metrics as this goes for all vid cards IMHO as the drivers are all written to request a graphics buffer swap file be addressed in system mem for this purpose. Is this correct as well?
The 1 item we don't know about FX1's R7 240-250 class vid card is the amount of onboard vid card mem it actually has on it as there are models available w\ less than 2Gb mem on them.................. If it has less than 2Gb of onboard mem on it, even w\ reduced graphics rendering load the card will still most likely be swapping these graphics buffers out to system mem slowing it down even more and making the experience even worse in addition to the reduced GPU performance the vid card will already be experiencing due to the graphics load..............
I believe this is what you're referring to when you stated the Nvidia 9800GTX+ as the minimum standard for AHIII but you didn't mention the amount of onboard mem that this Nvidia 9800GTX+ vid card that y'all used to develop AHIII with has on it.........
Somehow I have a hunch it has at least 2Gb of onboard mem on it........................ ;)
Could open up a hole if this isn't accounted for as more powerful vid cards using less than the 2Gb minimum of onboard mem will suffer some performance degradation as well if they also start swapping graphics frame buffers out to system mem instead of keeping them onboard. This is the 2nd reason to reduce the eye candy level on a vid card that is having performance issues.................
If this is incorrect then please let me know......................... .
Not trying to hijack or anything, just trying to be helpful.................
:salute
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I would like to order a card asap so what would people recommend. Really don't have a budget but it would be hard for me to spend more than something that would run the game smooth and adjustable. I have other hobbies that I could use the money for :cheesy:
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I have a gts 680 getting 59 fps everything looks nice.
Will it be poo when AHIII is rolled out?
Will getting another one be cheaper than getting upgraded card, and is SLI ok in AHIII?
it's my birthday on Friday and I have spent my money on a Bosch straight razor :old:
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The 9800GTX's we have, all contain 512MB of dedicated video RAM. Yes, you have to disable every graphic feature, and turn down the "Maximum Texture Size" to 1024, or less.
With Windows 7, and later, 512MB of dedicated video RAM may be the minimum requirement. Due to how DirectX works on Windows XP, the minimum may be 1GB for XP.
This is not cast in stone, yet.
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I would like to order a card asap so what would people recommend. Really don't have a budget but it would be hard for me to spend more than something that would run the game smooth and adjustable. I have other hobbies that I could use the money for :cheesy:
With the arrival of the Nvidia GTX 1070, the prices have dropped on the GTX 970 cards which is more than enough to run AH3 with all the bells and whistles.
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I would like to order a card asap so what would people recommend. Really don't have a budget but it would be hard for me to spend more than something that would run the game smooth and adjustable. I have other hobbies that I could use the money for :cheesy:
If you're in a hurry and budget is no issue, get the fastest card your system can take. At the moment it seems that the GeForce GTX 1070 shouldn't give you any worries using a 1920 x 1080 @ 60 Hz monitor. It should work OK with tighter resolutions and/or higher refresh rates, maybe even 4k @ 60 Hz depending on the settings. GTX 970 is a good performer in the earlier generation, 980 being par with the 1070 and the new 1080 being pretty much the best gaming card money can buy. There's quite a many variables so it's impossible to say which card would suffice. 2.5 k, 4k, VR, 144 Hz... Or a combination of those. Not to mention that the 1080Ti has already been speculatively reviewed, so an even faster card is to be expected by Christmas.
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Yeah, at the moment the ultimate is the Pascal Titan X ($1200). In SLI it may even be able to run full environment at 4k and 60fps, but until someone tries we won't know.
I'm waiting on the next generation model with the HBM2 memory.
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GTX 1060s are now available for about the same price or a little less than the 970 at New Egg. From what I've read it appears to be the better choice.
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How can I tell if a new card will fit inside my computer? Are they a standard size?
Also, how can I tell what card my PC can take without crapping out?
Thanks
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How can I tell if a new card will fit inside my computer? Are they a standard size?
Also, how can I tell what card my PC can take without crapping out?
Thanks
Post the first third of a DXdiag here. Also, a model number of your computer if it isnt a home built rig will help in figuring out what powersupply you have.
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How can I tell if a new card will fit inside my computer? Are they a standard size?
Also, how can I tell what card my PC can take without crapping out?
Thanks
If you go to the Nvidia site and look the specifications of your card there will be data on the dimensions and power requirements for the card.
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Yeah, at the moment the ultimate is the Pascal Titan X ($1200). In SLI it may even be able to run full environment at 4k and 60fps, but until someone tries we won't know.
I've got one on order for whenever they show up, I may get two, but won't be able to right away due to availability, but I will be able to borrow another one from a neighbor who gets everything as soon as its out as well - our own arms race on the block - and give it a whirl in 1440p and 4k. 1080 SLI comes close - sort of - but I'd like to see what the new Titan X does as well. Environment really puts a pounding on the 1080s even, which doesn't bother me, as I've only ever flown with a single notch on in Ah2 and will likely continue that in AH3.
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I would love to see those numbers. The latest Quadro P6000 is a tad bit faster, but it will also priced for workstation systems. I would buy one anyway, but only if it had the HBM2 memory. I suspect that arrangement (when it finally arrives) is going to be priced very high, but I don't care because for video transcoding and rendering it will be very, very fast.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcochiappetta/2016/07/27/nvidias-most-powerful-gpu-isnt-the-titan-x/#5c345fc6300d
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One tool for that comparison is PassMark Video Card Benchmarks, where you can find the 9800 GTX+ on the Mid to High End Video Card Chart (http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/mid_range_gpus.html), scoring 928 on the sixth place of that chart. This leads to believe that any card on the High End Video Card Chart (http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html) should qualify since the lowest on the list scores 940.
Note that cards scoring 1000 or so meet the minimum requirement, they won't do well even with every feature disabled!
Knowing that HiTech uses a GTX 660 in his development system gives a hint that cards scoring 4000 or more should be able to draw 30+ FPS in all situations using default settings.
I have a Radeon 6950 which scores 3174 and I need to disable shadows and post lighting effects to keep frame rates consistently at 60 or above. So I doubt most of the cards at the lower end of the lower range of the high end chart will do well.
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The 9800GTX's we have, all contain 512MB of dedicated video RAM. Yes, you have to disable every graphic feature, and turn down the "Maximum Texture Size" to 1024, or less.
With Windows 7, and later, 512MB of dedicated video RAM may be the minimum requirement. Due to how DirectX works on Windows XP, the minimum may be 1GB for XP.
This is not cast in stone, yet.
Ah OK, that's good to know.
:salute
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With the arrival of the Nvidia GTX 1070, the prices have dropped on the GTX 970 cards which is more than enough to run AH3 with all the bells and whistles.
It was actually the Radeon 480 which caused the price drop of the 970. The 1070/80 were too far away in both price and performance to affect the 970.
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Nvidea 750ti doesn't cut it.
Everything turned off/min/zero on env slider.
I think you need to do some adjusting. Myself and a few others run the GTX 750 and can get upper 50s-60 frames all day long. And that isn't with everything turned off. There is quite a few things turned up.
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The 750Ti is quite adequate for running Aces High III. I have a much slower video card in my work computer and it runs Aces High III just fine.
I think there may be something else going on which might be inhibiting the performance in the game.
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I have a Radeon 6950 which scores 3174 and I need to disable shadows and post lighting effects to keep frame rates consistently at 60 or above. So I doubt most of the cards at the lower end of the lower range of the high end chart will do well.
I have a Radeon 6970 scoring 3470 and I get 35-ish using default settings both in Video settings (4096) and in the game at a resolution of 2560 x 1600. When the game goes live I suppose I have to fiddle with the settings to get some speed. At this point I prefer the defaults to see the progress of HiTech optimizing his code.
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I have a Radeon 6970 scoring 3470 and I get 35-ish using default settings both in Video settings (4096) and in the game at a resolution of 2560 x 1600. When the game goes live I suppose I have to fiddle with the settings to get some speed. At this point I prefer the defaults to see the progress of HiTech optimizing his code.
I have a Radeon 6950, which is a little slower than your 6970, and get FPS in the same range at default settings with the exception of the environmental slider set at none. Today this was with action with 4 players at the same town shooting and bombing. That's a great improvement over several patches ago when I was lucky to get to the low teens when completely alone. I think this is a god reason for holding off on a video card upgrade until the code is optimized even further.
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My philosophy is hold off upgrading as long as you can. The longer you wait generally, the cheaper cards get.
Wiley.
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My philosophy is hold off upgrading as long as you can. The longer you wait generally, the cheaper cards get.
Wiley.
Great philosophy! And, viewing AH, the requirements of the game grow much slower than the power of the cards.
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I have an evga 970 with a 2500k cpu. play ah3 with everything on except em.
semp
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Just installed an EVGA GTX1060 SC Gaming
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-6163-KR
Runs DX11 BETA at a mostly steady 60 fps (vsync on) with all graphic settings maxed out except post lighting turned off. Does drop a bit in the tank gunsight.
2650 x 1440 resolution and 4096 textures.
$260US and only needs 400W PSU. Fan is barely audible after two hours. So far, very satisfied.
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Just replaced a gtx610 2gb ddr3 with a 750ti SC 2gb ddr5.
The 610 would only get 13fps with everything turned off. The 750 so far I haven't seen below 55 fps and usually 59-60 with most options at default or higher.
The PC is an HP8000 8gb/quadcore that has a proprietary motherboard/power supply with non standard motherboard connecters and cables and the 320watt supply is the largest you can buy for it so that eliminated GPUs that required seperate power connections or high wattage above 320 watts. As far as I know the 750ti is the only nvidia card fast enough for AH3 with lower power requirements and no need for seperate power, just uses the PCI bus power at 60watts. It's not an expensive card either thank goodness. You won't know unless you pop the cover if a store bought generic like HP/compaq/gateway etc has a proprietary power setup or not, was a surprise to me when I did to make sure I had power cables for a 970 that I wanted originally, but couldn't use.
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Ok, downloaded AH3 last night and tried it out. Had to disable everything to get a 20 something FPS. This is my dxdiag. What do I need to change to be able to play. I had an idea about my video card but if I go with these GTX970, do I have to change motherboad and the whole chabang. Tks
Black70
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DXVA-HD: Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
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BlackJack, if you want to beef your current rig up, there's several things you could do relatively inexpensively.
First and foremost, your video card isn't really meant for serious gaming. It actually ranks a third lower than the baseline card, the GTX 9800 in the midrange chart (http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/mid_range_gpus.html). As a rule of thumb, the "tens" in the video card number tell its relative performance level in a certain generation - which is told by the "hundreds". Knowing that Nvidia cards go up to #80, #30 is on the very low side. If your budget is tight, start looking for GeForce cards scoring 3500 or more in the high end card chart (http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html). Note, though, that benchmarks only tell a relative truth. They help to get an idea about what to expect.
A DxDiag output doesn't tell anything about your power supply. You may need to upgrade that, too, if you get a powerful video card. A few years ago graphics cards used a lot power, the new ones not so much. Check the manufacturer's specs for power supply requirement.
If you get a monster video card, your processor will cause a bottleneck. CPU's fitting your motherboard were made up to 3.3 GHz, you may find one quite inexpensively second hand.
Also, your memory is a little on the low side although it's about at the maximum for a 32 bit operating system. Filling the slots with 2 GB sticks and reinstalling Win7 as 64 bit might boost the overall performance of your computer.
As you see, a full rebuild might be easier to do. If your budget allows for it, that would be the best alternative. However, if you like tinkering and can get the spare parts next to free, the above is what I know works quite well.
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lol I can tell you it wont work with my system.....No vid card just an integrated vid chip. Actually this ran AHII. My comp wont even launch the beta. (let me rephrase that....If it does work ill never figure out how to make it work :rofl )
Guess its time to bite the bullet and get a better system.
Time of this report: 8/21/2016, 12:20:15
Machine name: OWNER-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.140303-2144)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD.
System Model: RV420/RV520/RV720/E3530/S3530/E3420/E3520
BIOS: Phoenix SecureCore-Tiano(tm) NB Version 2.1 02PQ
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2310M CPU @ 2.10GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.1GHz
Memory: 4096MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 4010MB RAM
Page File: 2345MB used, 5672MB available
Windows Dir: C:\windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode
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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)
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Display Devices
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Card name: Intel(R) HD Graphics Family
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Chip type: Intel(R) HD Graphics Family
DAC type: Internal
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0116&SUBSYS_C597144D&REV_09
Display Memory: 1696 MB
Dedicated Memory: 64 MB
Shared Memory: 1632 MB
Current Mode: 1366 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: HP Z22i
Monitor Id: HWP308E
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: HD15
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: unknown
Monitor Id: LGD0250
Native Mode: 1366 x 768(p) (59.973Hz)
Output Type: Internal
Driver Name: igdumd64.dll,igd10umd64.dll,igd10umd64.dll,igdumdx32,igd10umd32,igd10umd32
Driver File Version: 8.15.0010.2622 (English)
Driver Version: 8.15.10.2622
DDI Version: 10.1
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 1/10/2012 14:28:30, 8313856 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
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Vendor ID: 0x8086
Device ID: 0x0116
SubSys ID: 0xC597144D
Revision ID: 0x0009
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D3D9 Overlay: Supported
DXVA-HD: Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
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Sound Devices
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Description: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0269&SUBSYS_144DC597&REV_1001
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.6318 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
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Other Files:
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HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
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what do we think is the best bang for English pounds between the 6gig 1060, the 8gb 480X or the cheaper 970's?
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1060 hands down.
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With the arrival of the Nvidia GTX 1070, the prices have dropped on the GTX 970 cards which is more than enough to run AH3 with all the bells and whistles.
You would think. I have a 980TI and I get stutters in AH3 with all the bells and whistles. My processor is a i7-4790K at 4.0 GHz
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I have a GTX670. you can get them for under $200 and I can run with just about everything on and stay in the 50s
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I would be more interested in what card your computer has and why you feel like it needs to be upgraded. Just for informational purposes.
I have a E8400 @ 3GHz with a Radeon HD7870 2GB. The reason I feel I will need to build a new system around at least a GTX1070 is that I mostly GV. I have no problem with frame rates when flying above a few hundred feet, but that's not what I do. I drive tanks in jungles, forests, and towns and I often use maximum zoom in the commanders view and gunsight view. This places way more stress on the graphics card than flying as it renders trees and buildings at close quarters and high detail. Worst case is trying to defend an AH3 town from attacking tanks. With all the detailed buildings and trees in the view, I often get frame rates as low as 12 to 15. That makes aiming very difficult with high stutter. This is with Tree Detail set at 18%, Object Detail at 50%, and Detail Range at about 1.7 miles and with Shadows off and EM=0. In other words with eye candy turned way down. If I turn shadows on and increase Object and Tree Detail my frame rates are single digit. Since I don't want eye candy turned down, I will be building a new system once the price and availability of GTX1070s get better.
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I have a E8400 @ 3GHz with a Radeon HD7870 2GB. The reason I feel I will need to build a new system around at least a GTX1070 is that I mostly GV. I have no problem with frame rates when flying above a few hundred feet, but that's not what I do. I drive tanks in jungles, forests, and towns and I often use maximum zoom in the commanders view and gunsight view. This places way more stress on the graphics card than flying as it renders trees and buildings at close quarters and high detail. Worst case is trying to defend an AH3 town from attacking tanks. With all the detailed buildings and trees in the view, I often get frame rates as low as 12 to 15. That makes aiming very difficult with high stutter. This is with Tree Detail set at 18%, Object Detail at 50%, and Detail Range at about 1.7 miles and with Shadows off and EM=0. In other words with eye candy turned way down. If I turn shadows on and increase Object and Tree Detail my frame rates are single digit. Since I don't want eye candy turned down, I will be building a new system once the price and availability of GTX1070s get better.
I have the same card and run a solid 60fps.
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I have the same card and run a solid 60fps.
Like I said, I get 60 fps when flying too. What do you get deep in a CraterMA forest or town with the zoomed tank sight view? Still 60?
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E8500 and a HD6970 2GB here, 715. I've noticed the same low altitude frame rates, although I don't do GV'ing much. Since the E8400 is very cheap now as used, you might try overclocking. I run mine @3.8 GHz by increasing the bus speed to 400 in the BIOS. Can't really tell any major difference, though.
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1060 hands down.
how come I have to pay £240 English pounds for this card when you can get it for $250 dollars. Is this Brexit at work?? or are we still getting ripped off??
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I would imagine that it is because the cards are still relatively rare and people are jacking the prices.
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Like I said, I get 60 fps when flying too. What do you get deep in a CraterMA forest or town with the zoomed tank sight view? Still 60?
yup still 60, might dip to 57 but it does that in AH2 also.
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I would imagine that it is because the cards are still relatively rare and people are jacking the prices.
This. Maybe call EVGA and ask if you can order direct though them.
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how come I have to pay £240 English pounds for this card when you can get it for $250 dollars. Is this Brexit at work?? or are we still getting ripped off??
We're ripped off. Or then not. One single vendor here has 51 variations of the 1060 priced from € 239 to € 389.
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I just installed an EVGA GeForce GTX 750Ti 2GB GDDR5 (02G-P4-3751-KR) into a HP Pavilion with a built in graphics card, and 300W power supply. My AH3 frame rate went from 12 to high 40s-mid 50s… (Frame rate is in the 30s in GVs) with most everything turned up.
It was only $119, so not a real budget killer.
I am not a computer expert, but everything including drivers was installed in about fifteen minutes.
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GE950 with frame rates above 50
Boo
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here is my system:
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System Information
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Time of this report: 8/27/2016, 12:53:05
Machine name: CONCORDE
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_ldr.160408-2045)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: System Product Name
BIOS: BIOS Date: 12/19/12 15:41:12 Ver: 18.05
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.4GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 16324MB RAM
Page File: 2932MB used, 29715MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 64bit Unicode
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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
Sound Tab 4: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTX 760
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1187&SUBSYS_27653842&REV_A1
Display Memory: 1704 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1989 MB
Shared Memory: 3810 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (30Hz)
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: Panasonic-TV
Monitor Id: MEIA0AE
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: HDMI
Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
Driver File Version: 21.21.0013.7254 (English)
Driver Version: 21.21.13.7254
DDI Version: 11
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/11/2016 07:31:06, 17462904 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-52C7-11CF-A447-68071BC2D835}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x1187
SubSys ID: 0x27653842
Revision ID: 0x00A1
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will this run AH3?
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here is my system:
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System Information
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Time of this report: 8/27/2016, 12:53:05
Machine name: CONCORDE
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_ldr.160408-2045)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: System Product Name
BIOS: BIOS Date: 12/19/12 15:41:12 Ver: 18.05
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.4GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 16324MB RAM
Page File: 2932MB used, 29715MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 64bit Unicode
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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
Sound Tab 4: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTX 760
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1187&SUBSYS_27653842&REV_A1
Display Memory: 1704 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1989 MB
Shared Memory: 3810 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (30Hz)
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: Panasonic-TV
Monitor Id: MEIA0AE
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: HDMI
Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
Driver File Version: 21.21.0013.7254 (English)
Driver Version: 21.21.13.7254
DDI Version: 11
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/11/2016 07:31:06, 17462904 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-52C7-11CF-A447-68071BC2D835}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x1187
SubSys ID: 0x27653842
Revision ID: 0x00A1
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will this run AH3?
Most likely, its less than 10 minute download on a good cable connection and it is FREE! DL it and install it in 10 minutes and try it out. Best way to know.
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Kenne, yes you should be able to play AH 3 with that card, I do however recommend that you do the following when posting your DXDIAG data, shutdown your computer, let it set for a few minutes, then start it up and let it load windows 7... Then once the Desktop comes up and it is loading/starting whatever programs/background processes you have turned on wait for about 5 to 10 minutes idle, before running the DXDIAG and saving the info....
then copy and past it here: DXDIAG Data could be showing a very high pagefile used like your is showing right now if you have been on your computer using multiple things before running the DXDIAG
your pagefile used, is nearly 2 times larger than a clean Windows 7 64 bit system is running.... usually for a clean Windows 7 install the pagefile used is around 1,000 MB's, a clean and tweaked windows 7 pagefile used is around 750 to 900 MB's used
hope this helps
TC
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your pagefile used, is nearly 2 times larger than a clean Windows 7 64 bit system is running.... usually for a clean Windows 7 install the pagefile used is around 1,000 MB's, a clean and tweaked windows 7 pagefile used is around 750 to 900 MB's used
hope this helps
TC
I followed your instructions and ran DXDiag. It showed a used page file of 2692. What causes a large page file and what effect does it have on the game?
Thanks
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I followed your instructions and ran DXDiag. It showed a used page file of 2692. What causes a large page file and what effect does it have on the game?
Thanks
The page file is an extension for your RAM, storing stuff that isn't used any more right now but might be used in the near future. If your system doesn't have much memory, the page file will be used more. However, even with the maximum amount of RAM Windows still likes to use it so it's not recommended to turn it off entirely. It lives along the programs you run. Some of them you know you have started, some run in the background like Flash Player when you watch online videos. A well behaving program should wipe its tracks after finishing its job, but many of them don't do that.
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Yeah, I would just let Windows handle the page file. Nearly everything you read on the Internet about it and how to adjust it is pure nonsense.
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I dont use pagefiles, I have 20gig RAM, have never ever run out of memory with win7 64bit proffesional, but I use it for games only.
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The page file is an extension for your RAM, storing stuff that isn't used any more right now but might be used in the near future. If your system doesn't have much memory, the page file will be used more. However, even with the maximum amount of RAM Windows still likes to use it so it's not recommended to turn it off entirely. It lives along the programs you run. Some of them you know you have started, some run in the background like Flash Player when you watch online videos. A well behaving program should wipe its tracks after finishing its job, but many of them don't do that.
started my comp this morning and yea, 2500m page file.
bizman, what is your page file amount?
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Page File: 1023MB used
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So what is the impact of a large page file and what is optimal? I just looked at 8 DxDiag files posted in the Beta testing forum for win 7 64 bit systems an all but one had page files lower than the 2692 used that I saw on mine after a fresh boot and 10 min of stabilization time. Bizman, yours is the 2nd below 2,000. I have 8Gb of RAM. I only use this computer for AH and some web browsing. No music or photos. An occasional youtube video I do have office on it but it's not used much. So I'm surprised my used page file is so large but does it matter?
I'm kind of guessing what Challenge said about optimizing the page file may be correct. The 1,000MB or less that TC recommends appears to be the exception.
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The more RAM you have the larger Windows will set the Page File. I have read all sorts of ideas from users, like using a RAM disk as a replacement for the page file (I think I mentioned how ridiculous that is). Experimental data handling labs with computers that only do one thing have experimented with the various Windows system settings and in those situations perhaps changing the page file makes sense. For consumer usage it does not make sense, especially for gamers.
This is old news. MSFS users long ago learned that you do not mess with Windows system settings, though some continue to try.
Repeating the same behavior expecting a different result and all that . . .
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condor, just make sure you dont have a lot of programs that proload that you arent gonna use. for example your printer. Me I print a page maybe once a month. so I dont have it open.
goto blackviper.com they give you lots of ideas on how to tweak your system. just be careful. understand what process you are gonna disable and understand why you need to do it and how it's gonna affect your system.
semp
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condor, just make sure you dont have a lot of programs that proload that you arent gonna use.
where do you go to 'turn off' said programs?
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So what is the impact of a large page file and what is optimal? I just looked at 8 DxDiag files posted in the Beta testing forum for win 7 64 bit systems an all but one had page files lower than the 2692 used that I saw on mine after a fresh boot and 10 min of stabilization time. Bizman, yours is the 2nd below 2,000. I have 8Gb of RAM. I only use this computer for AH and some web browsing. No music or photos. An occasional youtube video I do have office on it but it's not used much. So I'm surprised my used page file is so large but does it matter?
I'm kind of guessing what Challenge said about optimizing the page file may be correct. The 1,000MB or less that TC recommends appears to be the exception.
The size of the page file and the actual usage of it are two different things. Thus having a large (-ish) page file is not a bad per se. In the earlier days of PC computing it was a common tweak to set a fixed size for the page file in order to reduce unwanted cpu usage. Weak computers used to suffer from the constant pumping of the expanding page file. Since Win7 the same experts who advised such tricks have been telling people let Windows take care of paging for better results just as Chalenge says.
As for getting a low page file, Guncrasher is on the right track. Cutting down the number of Windows processors using Blackviper's advice is only part of it. There's a lot more running in the background. The low page file/low process count/low idle cpu usage starts at the Windows installation. I choose not to receive the "optional" Windows updates right at the start. That alone can opt some processes out. Installing any software and I really mean any, has to be done as "Custom" instead of "Easy" or "Recommended" to be able to uncheck all the crap that many software packages contain. HP all in one printers are among the worst. I just uninstalled one, it had a total of 8 (eight) installed programs listed!!! Two of them remained in the Startup list until I wiped them off with CCleaner in administrator mode. You really don't need a "Customer experience program" running in the background, ever. Not by HP, not by Windows. Nor does your multifunction printer need to check for updates daily.
Another trick to reduce background clutte is to go through the settings of each and every program you've installed and set them not to start at Windows startup as well as set them update only manually.
Last but not least, in Windows' Programs and Features, uninstall the programs you never use.
<Edit>You can "turn off" programs in the Task Manager, which you can find by right clicking the Task Bar in the bottom of your screen. That's a temporary fix. For a permanent treat, look for the settings of each. For Windows Services, read Blackviper's site thoroughly to understand what you're doing.
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Pagefile is full, computer never turns off. Just installed the GTX 950.( PassMark score 5241 ) @ $110 after rebate. Run almost solid 60 with most graphics turned up. Saw some tearing and stuttering over water over the weekend but didn't mind it too much.
Edit: If anyone wants a 9800GTX+, let me know, I have 2 on the bench right now sitting next to a GTX 260 and I will have a third 9800 as of tomorrow when my son's birthday present arrives from NewEgg. Yep, he's getting a GTX 950 too.
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System Information
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Time of this report: 8/30/2016, 20:49:43
Machine name: DRAGON-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_ldr.160408-2045)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: EP45T-UD3P
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.7GHz
Memory: 4096MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 4094MB RAM
Page File: 2408MB used, 5778MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTX 950
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1402&SUBSYS_32081462&REV_A1
Display Memory: 3761 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1970 MB
Shared Memory: 1791 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: SMS27A350H
Monitor Id: SAM07CD
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: HD15
Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
Driver File Version: 10.18.0013.5582 (English)
Driver Version: 10.18.13.5582
DDI Version: 11
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/25/2015 14:46:21, 15512888 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-5742-11CF-1C62-05121CC2C735}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x1402
SubSys ID: 0x32081462
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Driver Strong Name: oem4.inf:NVIDIA_SetA_Devices.NTamd64.6 .1:Section032:10.18.13.5582:pci\ven_10de&dev_1402
Rank Of Driver: 00E62001
Video Accel:
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Sound Devices
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Description: Speakers (Logitech G933 Gaming Wireless Headset)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: USB\VID_046D&PID_0A5B&REV_0101&MI_00
Manufacturer ID: 65535
Product ID: 65535
Type: WDM
Driver Name: USBAUDIO.sys
Driver Version: 6.01.7601.18208 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 7/12/2013 06:40:58, 109824 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Microsoft
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Description: Digital Audio (S/PDIF) (High Definition Audio Device)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0885&SUBSYS_1458A102&REV_1001
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 65535
Type: WDM
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Driver Version: 6.01.7601.17514 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
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Other Files:
Driver Provider: Microsoft
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
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Sound Capture Devices
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Description: Microphone (Logitech G933 Gaming Wireless Headset)
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: USBAUDIO.sys
Driver Version: 6.01.7601.18208 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 7/12/2013 06:40:58, 109824 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x1
Format Flags: 0xFFFFF
Description: Digital Audio (S/PDIF) (High Definition Audio Device)
Default Sound Capture: No
Default Voice Capture: No
Driver Name: HdAudio.sys
Driver Version: 6.01.7601.17514 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
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Cap Flags: 0x1
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What do you mean by "Pagefile is full, computer never turns off"? Is it on 24/7?
Your report says "Page File: 2408MB used, 5778MB available" so based on that it doesn't seem to be full. Where did you get the idea or information of it being full?
Thanks for the info about the GTX950, that might improve the performance of my rig without having to invest to a full rebuild.
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I wrote that without reading my report. I assumed it would be full since I leave the computer on 24/7 since my power button screwed up and have to take the side panel off to hit the tiny little power button to turn it back on.
Glad the info on the 950 helped. I bought the MSI on sale with rebate and the Asus 950 arrived today. We both have E8400 processors on different boards each with 4 GB RAM.
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If you have a reset button in your system, you can swap the plugs on the motherboard so you can start your computer with the reset button, leaving the start button unused. Or, if you'd like to do it more neatly, open the front panel and swap the buttons there too to match the functions.
Actually, I'd start with the front panel: On some cases the large start button is attached to nylon springs which may break, causing the big button miss the micro button below. In such a case just tear the big button off and use the micro button in the bottom of the hole.
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You would think. I have a 980TI and I get stutters in AH3 with all the bells and whistles. My processor is a i7-4790K at 4.0 GHz
have the exact same set up with no problems, max setting or not. maybe check the heat of your card AH3 will heat them up at max settings.
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Pagefile usage became very different since the "Superfetch" service was implemented in Vista. The amount used in the pagefile will vary from user to user, based on applications used as those get pre-loeaded by the Superfetch service.
Superfetch has also changed since it was implemented in Vista. In Vista, it would pre-load everything without regard to what the user was doing with the computer. Made the first few minutes, after a fresh boot, agonizingly slow.
Windows 7 saw the change which caused Superfetch to be a little smarter. Only pre-loading when the user was not doing anything. Still a bit stupid though as it would still fight with the Windows Update service and cause the Update service to take longer to install patches/updates after the boot.
Windows 8.1 (not 8) finally saw Superfetch get a bit more smarter and stop fighting with higher priority processes.
If you are running an SSD, disabling Superfetch could result in less pagefile usage without any performance penalty. As a matter of fact, of your pagefile is not on the SSD, you might actually pick up some performance when loading applications as your preloaded application might be stuck in the pagefile.
As far as adjusting the page file goes. I would not leave the page file to be managed by Windows, with a caveat. I'll explain.
First off, leaving Windows to manage the pagefile means Windows will use any available space in the C: drive filesystem as memory. Each block/page is 4K in size as that is the smallest memory page size in the Intel virtual memory hardware scheme. So, the page file could be thousands of pages scribbled all over drive C: as Windows will just use whatever free disk space it can find on C: to write those pages. It will cause more fragmentation on C:.
When you disable page file management, and create a dedicated pagefile, the dedicated pagefile is guaranteed to be in contiguous disk space (it has to be). The will result in faster reading and writing from/to the page file, especially if your pagefile is on a hard drive. You also have the option of creating page files on other disks in your system. It also helps to reduce fragmentation of drive C:.
For instance, I have 4 hard drives in my home computer. I have a pagefile on each drive. Windows will use the pagefile of the least active hard drive each time it needs it.
Now, the caveat. If you are running the pagefile from a hard drive, you will want to create the dedicated pagefile as soon as Windows is installed. Why? The longer you wait, the more fragmented the drive file system gets. The Windows pagefile has to be contiguous. Creating it long after Windows has been installed will usually cause the page file to be place closer to the center of the hard drive platters where the bit rates of the data stream are slower.
The defragmentation utility provided by Microsoft, no longer does a full physical defragmentation so you cannot get back to what appears as a fresh Windows install without resorting to an actual full installation (not a repair installation).
The actual performance gains from a dedicated page file are difficult to measure as the pagefile usage will depend on the applications being used. Logically, a contiguous space on the disk is going to be faster to access than a dis-contiguous space.
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Good to know.
As for creating a dedicated pagefile right after installing Windows, I'd do a defrag first. I'm not sure about the most current versions, but at least installing the earlier versions resulted in a dis-contiguous Windows.
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Tight budget, so here goes:
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System Information
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Time of this report: 9/21/2016, 00:12:26
Machine name: OPTIPLEX-790
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_ldr.160902-0600)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
System Model: OptiPlex 790
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.1GHz
Memory: 4096MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 4054MB RAM
Page File: 1418MB used, 6686MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode
OK, so here's what I'm contemplating (keep in mind it's a slim design case so a 'normal' power supply won't fit):
400 watt PSU from
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017YN37RS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AKFWYWVZ484P5
A low profile (remember, slim case) EVGA 730 GT w 2gb gddr5
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L5GZG5C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Obviously, the question is simply, "Will it work?"
I'm not looking to see all the bells and whistles, but I was used to steady 60fps in AHII, and I'd kinda like to be able to stay in the game.
Thanks
kumori
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Tight budget, so here goes:
OK, so here's what I'm contemplating (keep in mind it's a slim design case so a 'normal' power supply won't fit):
400 watt PSU from
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017YN37RS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AKFWYWVZ484P5
A low profile (remember, slim case) EVGA 730 GT w 2gb gddr5
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L5GZG5C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Obviously, the question is simply, "Will it work?"
I'm not looking to see all the bells and whistles, but I was used to steady 60fps in AHII, and I'd kinda like to be able to stay in the game.
Thanks
kumori
Looks like those parts will work together, however, the video card is one step below the 9800GTX listed on Skuzzy's projected minimum requirements, as listed on Tom's Hardware hierarchy chart. You might be disappointed. But if that's all you can do right now it may keep you in the game.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,381442.msg5079452.html#msg5079452 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,381442.msg5079452.html#msg5079452)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html)
https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/optiplex-790-tech-guide.pdf (https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/optiplex-790-tech-guide.pdf)
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It is an additional $50 but something like this would do better. You could stand your computer on it's side to get better air flow with the additional heat.
If you read the customer reviews people are able to run these cards without problems on a 790 without upgrading their power supply.
https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GV-N75TOC-2GL-Graphics-Cards/dp/B00MW8NXAW/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1474448795&sr=1-1&keywords=Gigabyte+Graphics+Cards+GV-N75TOC-2GL (https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GV-N75TOC-2GL-Graphics-Cards/dp/B00MW8NXAW/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1474448795&sr=1-1&keywords=Gigabyte+Graphics+Cards+GV-N75TOC-2GL)
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I think the 730 is a poor investment. The 750 makes much more sense.
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I would have to agree with that!
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It is an additional $50 but something like this would do better. You could stand your computer on it's side to get better air flow with the additional heat.
If you read the customer reviews people are able to run these cards without problems on a 790 without upgrading their power supply.
https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GV-N75TOC-2GL-Graphics-Cards/dp/B00MW8NXAW/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1474448795&sr=1-1&keywords=Gigabyte+Graphics+Cards+GV-N75TOC-2GL (https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GV-N75TOC-2GL-Graphics-Cards/dp/B00MW8NXAW/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1474448795&sr=1-1&keywords=Gigabyte+Graphics+Cards+GV-N75TOC-2GL)
AHA! Mr Drane, you have made my day! This card would actually cost me less than the combined PSU/Card I was contemplating. My 790 actually has the 265 watt PSU in it, so this should do the job - and allow me to keep my pretty little slim case!
kumori
(a fella has to watch his shape ya know)
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AHA! Mr Drane, you have made my day! This card would actually cost me less than the combined PSU/Card I was contemplating. My 790 actually has the 265 watt PSU in it, so this should do the job - and allow me to keep my pretty little slim case!
kumori
(a fella has to watch his shape ya know)
Ouch! So much for my ingenious idea of getting a regular size case for a larger variety of options.
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So is there any hope of any video card getting AH3 to run game-able on my PC? My current framerate is in single digits. :(
Windows 10 Home, version 1511
Processor Intel Core i7 CPI 920@2.67 Ghz
16.0GB of RAM
ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series
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boop, a squadmate uses that card (750 ti) and it works great for him.
AHA! Mr Drane, you have made my day! This card would actually cost me less than the combined PSU/Card I was contemplating. My 790 actually has the 265 watt PSU in it, so this should do the job - and allow me to keep my pretty little slim case!
kumori
(a fella has to watch his shape ya know)
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boop, a squadmate uses that card (750 ti) and it works great for him.
Look for me to be up in a couple of weeks then, boop!
kumori
(mrs k has already approved the purchase order)
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woohooo!! :aok
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So is there any hope of any video card getting AH3 to run game-able on my PC? My current framerate is in single digits. :(
Windows 10 Home, version 1511
Processor Intel Core i7 CPI 920@2.67 Ghz
16.0GB of RAM
ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series
GF, run a dxdiag and post the first third here. Also, take the side cover off your computer and check what the wattage on your power supply. These are the things that will determine if and what you should upgrade.
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Since I don't see ati/amd cards mentioned much, I will throw in.......but with a greatly condensed version since this is the 3rd time I am typing it.
Shill's ati4500 will max out at 12 to 15fps when in the tower of a carrier far from land or cons and get worse with more activity/land/objects/cons.
Your processor is fine.
For comparison purposes, a GTX 970 is relatively close to an ati/amd R9 370.
An R7 370 is close to the GTX 960.
If you have more than one core above 2.0 ghz and at least pci-e 2.0, you should have no issues with a later pci-e 3.0 card.
$150.00 will likely get you into ah3 if you search and compare gpu performance.
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JUST upgraded:
Zotac NVidea GTX 1080
16GB RAM
FPS was good until I got into a busy area, then took a hit. I've adjusted some sliders down from my initial launch of the game with everything at max. :x
I'm getting a comfortable 59 FPS while playing but do suffer from "micro-stutters" every so often near other players. My FPS drops to 0 for a half a second then responds by jumping right back up to a smooth 59FPS, during the micro-freeze, i have seen my FPS drop to 5,15,35,55, then back to steady 59.... I feel this is a latency issue more so than my hardware as the hardware now should be able to handle this game without noticing it's even running!..
Also, anyone else getting environment flickering whilst near or under clouds?
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So is there any hope of any video card getting AH3 to run game-able on my PC? My current framerate is in single digits. :(
Windows 10 Home, version 1511
Processor Intel Core i7 CPI 920@2.67 Ghz
16.0GB of RAM
ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series
Hi GFShill,
Your computer platform is more than enough as you have an Intel X58 platform w\ a Nehalem CPU and if wanted that I7 920 is a well known OC'er capable of hitting 4.0GHz so that part is good.
You should be good to go w\ a video card upgrade.....as long as the PSU you're using in your box is sufficient to handle the upsized card's power requirements.
Since I don't see ati/amd cards mentioned much, I will throw in.......but with a greatly condensed version since this is the 3rd time I am typing it.
Shill's ati4500 will max out at 12 to 15fps when in the tower of a carrier far from land or cons and get worse with more activity/land/objects/cons.
Your processor is fine.
For comparison purposes, a GTX 970 is relatively close to an ati/amd R9 370.
An R7 370 is close to the GTX 960.
If you have more than one core above 2.0 ghz and at least pci-e 2.0, you should have no issues with a later pci-e 3.0 card.
$150.00 will likely get you into ah3 if you search and compare gpu performance.
Pretty much what Icepac said w\ the following addition.................
If looking to go w\ AMD you will need to pay particular attention to the vid card's GPU type then check on the AMD web site for feature specs and the foot notes at the bottom of the specs on the particular AMD vid card you're interested in as w\ the new AMD Crimson drivers they are written to activate a lot of graphical features but will activate them only IF the GPU has the feature capabilities built in at the hardware level so depending on what features you want to have according to the supporting equipment that you have\gonna get (monitor res and type...FreeSynch or not, monitor connection....DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort, use EyeFinity or not, AMD FRTC or not, VSR or not, etc......just to name a few) check to make sure that the vid card has the capabilities desired before you buy it.
For this reason I would recommend (if cost will allow) going to the AMD R9 series vid cards and up if upgrading vid cards and wanting to use an AMD vid card buying new and if buying new the R9 300 series and up as all R9 300 series and up cards support all features at the GPU level except the features specific to the new Polaris GPU's (RX series) so you get it all when you buy 1. Some R9 200 series and R7 300 series will also support some\all features but are GPU type dependent thus read the specs\footnotes to find out which ones do\do not before you buy. If you're gonna spend more than $200.00 you may as well go for the new AMD Polaris RX series vid cards and skip the R9 series completely.
1 caveat I will offer:
If at all possible either go w\ DVI or DisplayPort monitor connection if your existing monitor will allow. AMD HDMI connection (all except the new RX series) is 1.4 spec or lower....which CAN work w\ LCD monitors but is better suited for TV's instead and you can run into resolution issues on LCD monitors, especially w\ BIOS\UEFI GUI's over AMD HDMI connections. Been there, done that.
There should be some good deals out there on used cards, especially on the upper tier R9 200 series vid cards that can run AHIII very well @ 60 FPS.
Hope this helps.............
:salute
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Some good advice there, guys. Thanks!
Just for more info, I opened up the case to check the power supply - got greeted by a stainless steel box. I looked on the back of the CPU chassis and lo and behold I find 100-240V; 50-60Hz, 10A. Every measure of power except watts, which is what one of the GTX970 lists for the PSU. So, I did a search on my model number (Dell Studio XPS 435T): 475W power supply. Looking at the GTX970, it looks like it wants a 500W PSU. So, for 475W, it looks like I can support a GTX960 according to Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Whisper-Graphics-02G-P4-2966-KR/dp/B00SL2TQ2C/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1475103109&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+960 (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Whisper-Graphics-02G-P4-2966-KR/dp/B00SL2TQ2C/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1475103109&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+960)
Surprisingly, I found the marketing blather and technical info here: http://www.dell.com/us/dfh/p/studio-xps-435/pd (http://www.dell.com/us/dfh/p/studio-xps-435/pd)
So since I'm hamstrung to 475W or lower, what are my options?
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Some good advice there, guys. Thanks!
Just for more info, I opened up the case to check the power supply - got greeted by a stainless steel box. I looked on the back of the CPU chassis and lo and behold I find 100-240V; 50-60Hz, 10A. Every measure of power except watts, which is what one of the GTX970 lists for the PSU. So, I did a search on my model number (Dell Studio XPS 435T): 475W power supply. Looking at the GTX970, it looks like it wants a 500W PSU. So, for 475W, it looks like I can support a GTX960 according to Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Whisper-Graphics-02G-P4-2966-KR/dp/B00SL2TQ2C/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1475103109&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+960 (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Whisper-Graphics-02G-P4-2966-KR/dp/B00SL2TQ2C/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1475103109&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+960)
Surprisingly, I found the marketing blather and technical info here: http://www.dell.com/us/dfh/p/studio-xps-435/pd (http://www.dell.com/us/dfh/p/studio-xps-435/pd)
So since I'm hamstrung to 475W or lower, what are my options?
Hey GF, Kong is using this on a 400 watt powersupply and he hasn't had any trouble with it.
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-6163-KR
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Some good advice there, guys. Thanks!
Just for more info, I opened up the case to check the power supply - got greeted by a stainless steel box. I looked on the back of the CPU chassis and lo and behold I find 100-240V; 50-60Hz, 10A. Every measure of power except watts, which is what one of the GTX970 lists for the PSU. So, I did a search on my model number (Dell Studio XPS 435T): 475W power supply. Looking at the GTX970, it looks like it wants a 500W PSU. So, for 475W, it looks like I can support a GTX960 according to Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Whisper-Graphics-02G-P4-2966-KR/dp/B00SL2TQ2C/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1475103109&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+960 (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Whisper-Graphics-02G-P4-2966-KR/dp/B00SL2TQ2C/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1475103109&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+960)
Surprisingly, I found the marketing blather and technical info here: http://www.dell.com/us/dfh/p/studio-xps-435/pd (http://www.dell.com/us/dfh/p/studio-xps-435/pd)
So since I'm hamstrung to 475W or lower, what are my options?
I know this is a different angle, but offer this advice. I have built several PCs and made the mistake of going "cheap" on power supplies in the past. If you end up replacing your PS, make sure you go with a reputable brand like Corsair, Seasonic, EVGA, etc.
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JUST upgraded:
Zotac NVidea GTX 1080
16GB RAM
FPS was good until I got into a busy area, then took a hit. I've adjusted some sliders down from my initial launch of the game with everything at max. :x
I'm getting a comfortable 59 FPS while playing but do suffer from "micro-stutters" every so often near other players. My FPS drops to 0 for a half a second then responds by jumping right back up to a smooth 59FPS, during the micro-freeze, i have seen my FPS drop to 5,15,35,55, then back to steady 59.... I feel this is a latency issue more so than my hardware as the hardware now should be able to handle this game without noticing it's even running!..
Also, anyone else getting environment flickering whilst near or under clouds?
I have a 980ti and have the sliders maxed ..... i would think your 1080 should run circles around my card. What resolution are you running? Also , what card was in your machine before the upgrade? I'd imagine you have a healthy power supply right?
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I have a 980ti and have the sliders maxed ..... i would think your 1080 should run circles around my card. What resolution are you running? Also , what card was in your machine before the upgrade? I'd imagine you have a healthy power supply right?
I have 980TI and still get less than max FR in busy areas with everything maxed
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Hey GF, Kong is using this on a 400 watt power supply and he hasn't had any trouble with it.
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-6163-KR
Thanks for the real-world info! Found it in stock through Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IPVSLTC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2LMAHKD9TDSUC (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IPVSLTC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2LMAHKD9TDSUC)
Is the 6Gig really worth the extra $100 over the 3GB? Would I be getting more card than my machine would appreciate? Pretty much the only reason I'm upgrading at all is for AH3.
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I have 980TI and still get less than max FR in busy areas with everything maxed
oh... i havent noticed a slow down with mine .... i have EM completely off maybe thats the difference ?
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So since I'm hamstrung to 475W or lower, what are my options?
475 W is close enough to 500 W, IMO. The more important thing is how the wattage has been split into the various connectors - one rail or two for 12V and the amperage of it. One hint is to see if your power supply has the needed pci-e connectors for the video card you want. I wouldnt recommend Y cable adapters.
The link you provided says there'd be a HD4870 inside, but you said that it's a HD4300/4500. Actually the latter wouldn't even start AH3, so I suppose and hope it's a typo/misread. If so, the HD 4870 is as power hungry as the current cards, 500W recommended.
As for the GTX 1060 3 GB vs. 6 GB, both would make a huge leap from what you now have. This pretty much summarizes the pro's and con's: http://www.techspot.com/review/1237-msi-geforce-gtx-1060-3gb/page8.html (http://www.techspot.com/review/1237-msi-geforce-gtx-1060-3gb/page8.html).
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The link you provided says there'd be a HD4870 inside, but you said that it's a HD4300/4500. Actually the latter wouldn't even start AH3, so I suppose and hope it's a typo/misread. If so, the HD 4870 is as power hungry as the current cards, 500W recommended.
Thanks for the link on that article. It was a good read and very informative. Given the age of my machine, it sounds like the GTX1060 SC might be the value way to go. I don't upgrade unless I have to ("if it ain't broke...") so the 6Gig sounds like it'd extend the life of my PC overall.
As for what I have installed, my "Settings" shows an ATI HD4300/4500 series, so maybe the HD4870 is being interpreted as that. My display adapter under "System" is showing as a PCI Express Root Adapter. It sounds like anything that can take a PCI-E x16 at 400Mhz is what I should be looking to buy, and the GTX1060 SC is in that category.
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Since I hijacked this thread, I figured I'd post an update/resolution as a warning to others.
So I ordered an EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 SC, specifically this one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IPVSLTC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IPVSLTC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Amazon Prime delivered it two days later, and I excitedly opened up the box, ignored the warnings about not being able to return opened items, and read the installation instructions. It seemed simple enough. I opened up my computer case and got my tools.
The first problem reared it's ugly head in the test fitting. The graphics card's backplate interfered with the back of the case. Ok, no problem. I studied the placement of the retaining screws, took the backplate off, popped the dummy plates off the back of the computer case, and it fit in the slot. Problem solved. I thought I was on my way.
Second problem: the new card came with a power adapter cord, but that assumes that the host motherboard actually has a place to plug it into. Mine doesn't. I guess the onboard Nvidia card was fat and happy being fed power through the motherboard. Ok, well, let me just hook it all up and see what happens.
Third problem: the monitor plug didn't fit into any of the receptacles on the graphics card. It was just too old. End result: not only would I need to upgrade my power unit (I guess, not really sure on that since I never got that far in the installation process to test the card), but also my monitor. Oh, and probably my motherboard as well. Ok, this was going in the entirely wrong direction. This was supposed to be a way to save me from having to layout money on a new computer, and instead it was developing into a "buy everything but a joystick" problem.
Looking at it from an accounting standpoint, I'd be laying out about $1k to play a $15 a month game. Alternatively, I could just eat the $260, save myself $15 a month, and go outside to play instead of flying cartoon airplanes.
Looks like I'll be spending my tax refund next March on a new system.
Anybody want a new GTX 1060 SC? PM me. Might as well get what I can out of it.
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They make adapters.
http://www.newegg.com/product/CategoryIntelligenceArticle.aspx?articleId=186
You can get a dvi to dsub or hdmi to dsub or whatever you need.
Third problem: the monitor plug didn't fit into any of the receptacles on the graphics card. It was just too old. End result: not only would I need to upgrade my power unit (I guess, not really sure on that since I never got that far in the installation process to test the card), but also my monitor.
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Sorry. Deleted my comment as it has no relevance.
Any issues with plugs for power might be found searching for images or on YouTube.
Perhaps a player here has screenshots inside their case. I took some before I unplugged everything just in case. Wish I had taken some after I swapped Power Supply Units so I could post.
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Gfshill.....the video card power cords plug into the powersupply cables that come out of the power supply. Just looked at the power adapter and see where u might be running into issues....hence the edit. You might not have that plug coming from ur psu.
Just looked at what might be ur psu and it shows 1 pcie plus 2 connector....does yours have one? You will only be able to plug 1 of them into the back side instead of 2. But its worth a try. Then all you need is a svga to dvi adapter and u could be good to go.
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I studied the snakes coming out of the PSU housing and they all had a home, either to the motherboard or to a drive. I studied the motherboard and didn't see any sockets that matched up with the connectors on the GTX power cable. Either my ATI Radeon HD didn't need additional power, or there's a hot circuit cable running along the circuits of my motherboard. I'm guessing the former and not the latter. The ATI had a cooling fan, though, which I thought was interesting. The new GTX fit in the PCIE slot just fine once I removed the backplate and the dummy panels on the computer chassis. So, I guess I'll take this incrementally and start pricing video monitor plug adapters.
Looking at the lines coming out of the PSU housing, I'm certainly not looking forward to having to unplug/replug all of those cables to the drives and cards. :O
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Gfshill.....the video card power cords plug into the powersupply cables that come out of the power supply. Just looked at the power adapter and see where u might be running into issues....hence the edit. You might not have that plug coming from ur psu.
You are correct. No such plug. So am I looking at pricing out a new PSU?
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You are correct. No such plug. So am I looking at pricing out a new PSU?
I don't know if you are familiar with Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/), but you can get some really good deals there.
I picked up a GTX 970 FTW and a Corsair 750watt PSU for about $300.00 Total.
The 970 was a refurbished item and the PSU was an open-box item.
No issues with either as of yet.
Coogan :airplane:
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Thats why I buy from B&H. Immediate 100% refunds no matter if the box is opened, torn, whatever. And no questions asked.
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I have a 980ti and have the sliders maxed ..... i would think your 1080 should run circles around my card. What resolution are you running? Also , what card was in your machine before the upgrade? I'd imagine you have a healthy power supply right?
I thought so too, but as I've played with settings over the past few updates I'm finding myself able to push the sliders up (to the right!?) without significant loss of FPS. I still get the "micro/petit-freezes" everyone once and awhile during heavy traffic at low altitudes. Funny, I intercepted some salty B17's on the way to knight strat last night and never had any issue barreling through their 6+ buff formations at high speeds and high anxiety..
I was running two 760's in SLi mode before so power supply shouldn't be an issue. (i believe 800W PSU)
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Gfshill....yeah a psu os the way i would go. It looks like the rest of the pc would be a good setup with your 1060. Another thing....what is the model number of your monitor? Sometimes if you look on the back or wherever your monitor cable plugs in.....there might be a spot to plug in a dvi cable. Some monitors have multiple outputs back there or underneath.
Dubious. ... I saw my frames drop the other night in a furball with buffs around down into the 80s so i spoke too soon..... Just wanted to clear that up..... I also have shadows disabled which i dont even think about when posting cause they have been off since beta. When mine drop from 144 to the 80s i see micro stutter big time so i would say thats pretty normal. I run 4096 textures and have dropped them to 2048 but it really doesnt make much difference on my end.
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I have a new 1070 at full settings and when I drop into the 80s or even 70s in heavy traffic Im not getting any stutters at all.
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GFshill...............the new ATI/AMD (if you are more likely to go with that brand) has a new line of cards called RX460 and rx470.
The RX460 has similar performance to the old HD7870 and the R9 270x that replaces it.........but with 100 watts less power draw.
The gaming performance, price, and power draw is similar to the GTX950 and the RX460 is often available with 4gb of memory.........if that even makes a difference vs 2gb memory in aces high.
I believe it's also available with 2gb memory for about 12 bucks less.
Older cards with this gaming performance have probably around 2.5x the power draw because of the larger 28nm process vs 14nm for the newer cards.
Now if I were one of the guys who stays logged in 24/7, I would consider power consumption.
Only reason I suggest ATI/AMD is that your board has that brand onboard and using the same brand may help with compatibility.
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Sounds like the 1060 at that price is a winner.
Apparently, "shadow warrior 2" is out and the 1060 runs it really well.
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That RX480 is a ton of card for $250.
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RX480 is a good alternative to the 1060, it's ahead in some categories/games, and behind in others, it's very close to call IMO, and comes down to what you want. One area where the 1060 has a noticeable, albeit not huge lead, is with VR units and with heat/thermal. Again, it's not huge, but it is somewhat significant from most the of the reviews/tests out there. Not that VR is really something a 1060/480 is optimal for anyway, so it's almost a moot point to me.
Some of the upcoming, and even existing AMD CPU/MB combos make a good case for building a 480 system so far as a mid range budget build. Also, availability, 1060s up here are hard to find at times, while the 480s seem to be in stock pretty consistently. I might build an AMD system once the black Friday deals start, haven't had one in YEARS, the 5770 card was the last AMD anything I've run.
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Geforce 980ti.
3840x2160 rez. Consistently above 100fps, only time I've seen a hit was during an FSO over a large town with all ack firing and 90 aircraft furball:)
I'm not sure what it dipped down to, but it was not buttery smooth.
This is with graphics in Nvidia control panel settings to maximum (AA was set to 4x), and in game maxed out.
Dobs