General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: flyndung on October 13, 2016, 01:20:09 PM
Title: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: flyndung on October 13, 2016, 01:20:09 PM
i hear the Xeon E5-2670 for 75.00 is a great deal for a 2011 socket cpu
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Ramesis on October 13, 2016, 01:33:35 PM
Hmmm... at what point (for this game specifically) is more better? Ram
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: flyndung on October 13, 2016, 01:38:02 PM
yes. many people had ask questions about low cost gaming machines and things like this .. this a great budget PC and being a socket 2011 very upgradeable still ..
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Vulcan on October 13, 2016, 01:48:11 PM
I doubt much gaming is going to benefit from multicores, let alone 16 cores.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Bizman on October 13, 2016, 02:03:03 PM
If it runs at 3 GHz or more and costs next to nothing, as long as there's more than one core it's good.
Several cores can make a game run more fluently by taking the load off the very cores that are needed for the game itself. Let's say your game runs on two cores and you'd like to run Teamspeak, TrackIR, Antivirus, inspirational music etc. in the background. By addressing them to run on the "free" cores might help with petite freezes and such.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: flyndung on October 13, 2016, 02:16:13 PM
If it runs at 3 GHz or more and costs next to nothing, as long as there's more than one core it's good.
Several cores can make a game run more fluently by taking the load off the very cores that are needed for the game itself. Let's say your game runs on two cores and you'd like to run Teamspeak, TrackIR, Antivirus, inspirational music etc. in the background. By addressing them to run on the "free" cores might help with petite freezes and such.
i agree .. i run a I7-2600 3.4ghz system and it still does everythingi want it to do it just running a old LGA1155 socket with no real upgrade path.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Vulcan on October 13, 2016, 09:16:02 PM
If it runs at 3 GHz or more and costs next to nothing, as long as there's more than one core it's good.
Several cores can make a game run more fluently by taking the load off the very cores that are needed for the game itself. Let's say your game runs on two cores and you'd like to run Teamspeak, TrackIR, Antivirus, inspirational music etc. in the background. By addressing them to run on the "free" cores might help with petite freezes and such.
In theory. Windows itself isn't great at core management, and most games are not either.
I understand how multicore works, the systems I work on run anything from 2 to 192 cores. But we run a specialized OS and software for that.
I just don't see the advantage right now (beyond 2 cores) until the OS and software really support it.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Chalenge on October 13, 2016, 09:38:14 PM
The Battlefield series is the only game I know of that will even use more than two cores, so don't buy more cores for gaming unless Battlefield is important to you.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: flyndung on October 14, 2016, 05:43:50 AM
i dont thing its such much the core but the huge price/performance cause the chips are so chip and its still running a modern chipset/chip
also if you already have a LGA2011 motherboard it maybe a great chip upgrade,
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: save on October 14, 2016, 07:26:38 AM
Some newer game titles actually use more than 2 cores, the old game-engines dd not support more than 2.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Bizman on October 14, 2016, 07:57:48 AM
In theory. Windows itself isn't great at core management, and most games are not either.
I understand how multicore works, the systems I work on run anything from 2 to 192 cores. But we run a specialized OS and software for that.
I just don't see the advantage right now (beyond 2 cores) until the OS and software really support it.
If Windows can't manage cores - which doesn't surprise me - you can always set the affinity by hand in the Task Manager.
And as I said, it really doesn't matter how many cores you have if the speed of a single core is fast enough. I understood this thread is about saving money when buying a relatively modern processor.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Lusche on October 14, 2016, 08:39:43 AM
It's been a pleasant surprise how good my ancient two core I3-2120 is still keeping up with my gaming demands these days :old:
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Bizman on October 14, 2016, 09:51:49 AM
Ancient? What would you call my Core2Duo E8500 then?
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: flyndung on October 14, 2016, 11:44:23 PM
I might, but then again it's my video card that causes the most performance issues.
just about all C2D machines i get i upgrade now.. you can get the xeon and mod patch for less then 15.00 on ebay and according to the benchmarks the performace is close to a Core I3-2120
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Bizman on October 15, 2016, 11:24:19 AM
According to the source you provided I wouldn't gain anything by changing my E8500 to a Xeon E5450: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E5450-vs-Intel-Core2-Duo-E8500 (http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E5450-vs-Intel-Core2-Duo-E8500)
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: flyndung on October 15, 2016, 12:52:48 PM
According to the source you provided I wouldn't gain anything by changing my E8500 to a Xeon E5450: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E5450-vs-Intel-Core2-Duo-E8500 (http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E5450-vs-Intel-Core2-Duo-E8500)
if you look at the differences section you see a huge difference, the only place you really wouldn't see a difference is single core processing stuff. but you would gain another 6 megs of cache and 2 more cores.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: aaronr on October 16, 2016, 01:36:38 PM
if you look at the differences section you see a huge difference, the only place you really wouldn't see a difference is single core processing stuff. but you would gain another 6 megs of cache and 2 more cores.
Bizmans statement was correct! in his case as far as this sim is concerned he will see little or NO difference the money would be better spent on beer. Super fast single core performance on a core two duo will KILL a mediocre Octo mega core water-cooled monster every time on this sim.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: flyndung on October 16, 2016, 01:55:50 PM
Bizmans statement was correct! in his case as far as this sim is concerned he will see little or NO difference the money would be better spent on beer. Super fast single core performance on a core two duo will KILL a mediocre Octo mega core water-cooled monster every time on this sim.
well for what your paying .. less then 15.00 for the chip and the mod, its the best way to max out a old 775 socket.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Ramesis on October 16, 2016, 03:24:30 PM
I only play WoT and AH so I really don't see much point in multicores... yes, I run a quad core processor but as far as I can see, the difference is negligablefor the online games I play anyway :furious BUT... I bought it just in case :D Ram
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Bizman on October 17, 2016, 09:48:31 AM
pair for 24.99 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-Intel-Quad-Core-Xeon-X5450-CPU-3-0GHz-12M-1333MHz-771-SLASB-/291908870861?hash=item43f71fe2cd:g:SO0AAOSw4shX7WXr
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Bizman on October 17, 2016, 12:56:17 PM
Heh, they either don't send them here or the mailing cost is double the price of the cpu. :D
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: aaronr on October 17, 2016, 04:49:25 PM
It was a big thing back in 2013 http://www.overclock.net/t/1431723/mod-lga775-support-for-lga771-xeon-cpus
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: flyndung on October 17, 2016, 04:50:42 PM
Heh, they either don't send them here or the mailing cost is double the price of the cpu. :D
i just noticed you was in finland, i'm sorry :( maybe if you wanted them you could have someone from the US get them and ship them too you .. not sure if thats economical or not for you. i was just simply saying for someone in that wanted to max out thier 775 socket , and not pay the 775 quad price.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: Chalenge on October 17, 2016, 04:53:59 PM
I would never buy a CPU off of ebay.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: flyndung on October 17, 2016, 11:49:19 PM
I've already done it and it was well worth it. I've linked this before (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,378710.msg5043893/topicseen.html#msg5043893) way back in April, but here's a great reddit thread on this:
That said, this is not ideal for a gaming rig (unless your current rig kinda sucks, and even then, you can do better for gaming for the money unless you already have the motherboard). This is an encoding rig. Or whatever else needs a lot of CPU cores, which doesn't mean gaming (gaming needs single core speed and mostly tops out at two cores).
Although, it seems that Overwatch is more threaded than most, and Star Citizen is going to be highly threaded, and this may be a trend going forwards, so there's that. Also if you intend to stream via OBS to Twitch, you could do a lot worse.
Anyways, the CPUs are the easiest part, the hard part is finding the motherboard for a palatable price. Once these CPUs got dumped on the used market, the motherboards got bought up. So if you intend to do this, get the motherboard first, CPU second, or don't bother. Look for people upgrading their X79-based systems and not realizing the X79 motherboard is still valuable.
Title: Re: 8 core / 16 core monster gaming rig
Post by: flyndung on October 19, 2016, 07:01:12 AM
I've already done it and it was well worth it. I've linked this before (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,378710.msg5043893/topicseen.html#msg5043893) way back in April, but here's a great reddit thread on this:
That said, this is not ideal for a gaming rig (unless your current rig kinda sucks, and even then, you can do better for gaming for the money unless you already have the motherboard). This is an encoding rig. Or whatever else needs a lot of CPU cores, which doesn't mean gaming (gaming needs single core speed and mostly tops out at two cores).
Although, it seems that Overwatch is more threaded than most, and Star Citizen is going to be highly threaded, and this may be a trend going forwards, so there's that. Also if you intend to stream via OBS to Twitch, you could do a lot worse.
Anyways, the CPUs are the easiest part, the hard part is finding the motherboard for a palatable price. Once these CPUs got dumped on the used market, the motherboards got bought up. So if you intend to do this, get the motherboard first, CPU second, or don't bother. Look for people upgrading their X79-based systems and not realizing the X79 motherboard is still valuable.