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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: TwinBoom on October 28, 2016, 06:33:56 PM
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The flight model or stall characteristics are off. i can barley fly it!
And for those that say nothing is changed, it has at least on p38's
I have flown it a few times since early 2000 i think i know her well..........
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Hey TB - can you be more specific? Which model, or all of them? What specifically are you talking about?
From my experience, the '38G has become more unstable - if I pull hard maneuvers, the engines falter and rpms drop asymmetrically I think, and its easy to lose control of it. I was told its due to the lag in the prop governor that was introduced in AH3.
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Hey TB - can you be more specific? Which model, or all of them? What specifically are you talking about?
From my experience, the '38G has become more unstable - if I pull hard maneuvers, the engines falter and rpms drop asymmetrically I think, and its easy to lose control of it. I was told its due to the lag in the prop governor that was introduced in AH3.
All of them
Flopping all over the place, wing drops, shuddering bad, etc,
I have tried recalling stick doesn't help. in fact as soon as i log i recall stick.
More so on the g though. its stalls more than the p39 or 40 in my opinion.
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I copied over my stick scaling from AH2 and found when I flew the spit16 the scaling was too extreme. Where in AH2 I had smooth control of the nose for gunnery and at slow speeds I didn't over control roll into stalls and the ground. In AH3 all of that happened like I did not have scaling enabled. I had to adjust scaling back by 1\3 again from the AH2 settings to achieve the same precise control I had in AH2.
The only difference I perceived in AH3 flight modeling, is stick inputs are much more responsive. Take a look at your 38 flying from that perspective.
All calibration does is tells the game what the ends and center of your stick movement is so it can operate the full motion of the control surface by that. You are describing sensitive inputs that are being over expressed into stalls and other frustrating results. I wonder if now that the CPU is not bogged down with processing all of the graphics and our stick inputs, that we are getting faster input processing for our stick inputs.
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Where is the problem? Other then the prop governor addition, I haven't noticed anything significantly different. Flies the same to me as it did in AH2 and I'm also using the same stick scale from AH2. My rudders are more responsive but I attribute that to the VKB pedals I'm using.
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what is he prop governor addition. is that for all planes?
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The flight model has not changed, for any plane, from AH2.
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The flight model has not changed, for any plane, from AH2.
Then there is a bug with 38 or stick communication bug or a corrupt file. I can barely control it.
I can log into aces high 2 and fly perfectly as its still on my machine.
I'm telling you something is wrong its definitely 100% not the same.
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If its a constant (opposed to intermittent) problem and you suspect stick communication, can you go to the axis functions in Map Controllers and watch your inputs on the graph, to see if there is spiking or deadband issues?
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Then there is a bug with 38 or stick communication bug or a corrupt file. I can barely control it.
I can log into aces high 2 and fly perfectly as its still on my machine.
I'm telling you something is wrong its definitely 100% not the same.
Twin, flight a pattern and film it in both AH2 and AH3. Fly around,through hangers and such just make the flight the same in both films. See if you can show what you think is happening that way.
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Then there is a bug with 38 or stick communication bug or a corrupt file. I can barely control it.
I can log into aces high 2 and fly perfectly as its still on my machine.
I'm telling you something is wrong its definitely 100% not the same.
The stall buffet sound is different.
Compare speed and g for accelerated stalls with AH film. Fly whatever maneuver stalls you in AH3.
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what is this scaling you speal of-where do I find it-how/what is it used for? :headscratch: :airplane:
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It'll be the new sounds affecting the brain. You can't get the flying right on the edge until you learn the right sound queues
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what is this scaling you speal of-where do I find it-how/what is it used for? :headscratch: :airplane:
When mapping your controllers you can select an axis, then click the 'advanced' button and scale each individual axis.
It's only available to premium subscribers that have the Gold Sheep package.
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I copied over my stick scaling from AH2 and found when I flew the spit16 the scaling was too extreme. Where in AH2 I had smooth control of the nose for gunnery and at slow speeds I didn't over control roll into stalls and the ground. In AH3 all of that happened like I did not have scaling enabled. I had to adjust scaling back by 1\3 again from the AH2 settings to achieve the same precise control I had in AH2.
The only difference I perceived in AH3 flight modeling, is stick inputs are much more responsive. Take a look at your 38 flying from that perspective.
All calibration does is tells the game what the ends and center of your stick movement is so it can operate the full motion of the control surface by that. You are describing sensitive inputs that are being over expressed into stalls and other frustrating results. I wonder if now that the CPU is not bogged down with processing all of the graphics and our stick inputs, that we are getting faster input processing for our stick inputs.
I'll try adjusting deadband.
Several other 38 experten are experiencing what I am experiencing.
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Read this post from aircraft and vehicles concerning the P38 rpms in the game. Hitech has responded in that post a number of times. You may be experiencing what is talked about in the post.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,382016.0.html
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TB - Bustr's link is the biggest change a lot of us are dealing with. It affects some of us differently than others, probably due to playing styles.
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Read this post from aircraft and vehicles concerning the P38 rpms in the game. Hitech has responded in that post a number of times. You may be experiencing what is talked about in the post.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,382016.0.html
You don't stall from prop pitch lag you stall from AOA. The only stall related change is the stall buffet sound.
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You could always offer to work with the OP in the TA and attempt to determine what is really happening to him.
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I'm not familiar enough with the 38 to speak directly about it, but I can say that the change in audio ques really messed me up at first. Once I removed the sound from the equation I found that the plane (F4U-1) flew the same as AH2. I don't use scaling on any axis so I can't speak directly to that but I have heard of some differences between AH2 and AH3 when they were transferred over.
I would gladly meet up with TB (or anyone else for that matter) in the TA to see if we can figure it out. Like I said, I'm no 38 expert but I might be able to see something that will help him figure out what the issue is.
:salute
Sik
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You could always offer to work with the OP in the TA and attempt to determine what is really happening to him.
He says he's pulling to the stall. Pulling less should work.
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I agree with TB and have since beta. The P-38 just has not been right when compared to AH2. If it is as if the weight of the plane as modeled is higher than in ah2.
Ack-Ack has a lot of hours and expertise making it hard to disagree with him. Maybe it is the way we use the 38 that gives us a different perspective than Ack-Ack.
The other planes I use I have not seen any difference between ah2 and 3 just the 38
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I agree with TB and have since beta. The P-38 just has not been right when compared to AH2. If it is as if the weight of the plane as modeled is higher than in ah2.
Wouldn't that change the climb rate?
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this is why i told people to fly in ah3 when it was in beta, the sounds are different, the view is different. if only they had listened. i had the same concerned with the p51, the more I flew it the more I got used to it the more I realized it was just like ah2.
semp
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I think TB traced it down to his stick scale not being properly imported from AH2.
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I had a problem with controls being way more sensitive in AHIII compared to AH/AHII. Against HTC's advice, I had simply copy-pasted the settings folder from AHII to AHIII and somehow that caused the problem. In the game's setup menu the stick scaling looked exactly the same in AHIII as it did in AHII and yet the controls behaved in game as if no scaling had been applied.
When AHIII went live I did a complete reinstall and used the game's import function to import the AHII settings to AHIII and the stick scaling started working as it should again.
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Wouldn't that change the climb rate?
I was using the extra weight as a way of describing the difference not as an actual fact.
I think TB traced it down to his stick scale not being properly imported from AH2.
Ack-Ack, I found an old post that showed your scaling cure started at mid scale and then going up. Is that about the scaling you are using in ah3?
I have deleted my joystick file several times since beta including just recent patches. Still, I will go through and change my scaling. iIt is worth a try for sure.
Another measure of the difference is how many times I have hit the ground while attacking GVs in ah3 many more times than the whole time playing in ah2. The 38 at times acts like the elevator is slow to respond.
It still could be the graphics in ah3 as I have posted before gives the 38 player a different visual sensation of the planes near stall or stall conditions.
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I had a problem with controls being way more sensitive in AHIII compared to AH/AHII. Against HTC's advice, I had simply copy-pasted the settings folder from AHII to AHIII and somehow that caused the problem. In the game's setup menu the stick scaling looked exactly the same in AHIII as it did in AHII and yet the controls behaved in game as if no scaling had been applied.
When AHIII went live I did a complete reinstall and used the game's import function to import the AHII settings to AHIII and the stick scaling started working as it should again.
This was exactly my problem. when i installed AHIII it asked to import AHII settings. i clicked yes.
So last night i fired up AHII and looked at stick scaling also at AHIII both were identical. As it should be if its copied over from previous version. I then hit the default button, and blamo i had instant control. I tweaked it just a tad to optimize. And then tested in MA and found that one i could fly again 2 i could fly well. So if stick settings are imported via: Program Install Question, it somehow takes inputs to extreme even though at a glance they appear the same. FYI i only adjusted dead band to try and soften nose bounce while shooting. below are pics of AHII settings that were copied over with the install agent. Hope this helps others, I've heard several guys/gals with same issue I had.
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk176/Michael_Stillwell/ahss41_zpsbfjwgqo9.png)
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk176/Michael_Stillwell/ahss43_zpstnz4ixks.png)
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk176/Michael_Stillwell/ahss44_zpslg0la0hl.png)
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Forgot to thank Bustr for giving me the first clue, much appreciated. I was seriously :bhead trying to figure it out. and was contemplating leaving game as this bug made it seem FM was changed.
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Glad you got it sorted TB. I'll have to look at my scaling again too - interesting to me that you scale the pitch axis but not the roll axis. Think I have them both scaled equally, and the '38G feels a little like a pig in the roll.
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Glad you got it sorted TB. I'll have to look at my scaling again too - interesting to me that you scale the pitch axis but not the roll axis. Think I have them both scaled equally, and the '38G feels a little like a pig in the roll.
Ty, I literally couldn't even drop a wing to look at ground without stall going off.
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I was using the extra weight as a way of describing the difference not as an actual fact.
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You can get an impression of heaviness by trimming the nose down.
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So quick to want to rage quit... :rofl
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Ack-Ack, I found an old post that showed your scaling cure started at mid scale and then going up. Is that about the scaling you are using in ah3?
I have deleted my joystick file several times since beta including just recent patches. Still, I will go through and change my scaling. iIt is worth a try for sure.
Yep, I use the same.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/ahss30_zps7qaudg01.png)
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I see our CH difference, I'm not using the manager. Because of that I'm scaling a bit more starting towards zero on the lift to right and some delay. In AH2 my scaling looked like yours, in AH3 I had push the scale down by another 1\5th to stop over controlling.
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All of them
Flopping all over the place, wing drops, shuddering bad, etc,
I have tried recalling stick doesn't help. in fact as soon as i log i recall stick.
More so on the g though. its stalls more than the p39 or 40 in my opinion.
Try the A 20,,,,,,smooth as silk :banana:
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When mapping your controllers you can select an axis, then click the 'advanced' button and scale each individual axis.
It's only available to premium subscribers that have the Gold Sheep package.
lol I doubt it-------------------^^
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I see our CH difference, I'm not using the manager. Because of that I'm scaling a bit more starting towards zero on the lift to right and some delay. In AH2 my scaling looked like yours, in AH3 I had push the scale down by another 1\5th to stop over controlling.
Using Control Manager as opposed to just using the AH keymapper will make no difference on your stick scale or the sensitivity of the joystick.
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oh I've seen that chart before nvr knew what is was for.
can someone post the pictures of all the scaling for the P-38-i would like to try and fly it more.
since I seen this I can say mine is set to default settings
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Yep, I use the same.
It did make a positive change in the 38's handling. Thanks.
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oh I've seen that chart before nvr knew what is was for.
can someone post the pictures of all the scaling for the P-38-i would like to try and fly it more.
since I seen this I can say mine is set to default settings
A couple of posts up I posted an image of the stick scale I use.