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Title: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Dobs on December 13, 2016, 08:45:02 AM
Just curious....I got the GV part of the sounds.....I can even understand muffled explosions when landing or taking off..

But for those who fly, the sound of your own engine PLUS wind noise pretty much drowns out everything else. 

Flew up behind a guy the other night who shouldn't have been able to see me (low six approach) and as I got close, he pushed over hard.....His comment was "never saw ya, but I heard you getting close!" 

Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Max on December 13, 2016, 08:52:44 AM
I suspect it's a hat tip to folks like me who attended the Stevie Wonder School of Situational Awareness.   :devil
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Masherbrum on December 13, 2016, 10:42:00 AM
It is why I would chop throttle.   No need for a thread afterward.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Dobs on December 13, 2016, 10:43:29 AM
It is why I would chop throttle.   No need for a thread afterward.

Great reply.....said no one ever. 

Really...Go to stealth mode, including sound...ROFLMAO!  WoW!
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Masherbrum on December 13, 2016, 11:04:41 AM
Great reply.....said no one ever. 

Really...Go to stealth mode, including sound...ROFLMAO!  WoW!

Jump to conclusions more.   I was talking about going in on a con.   But keep swinging champ.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Wiley on December 13, 2016, 11:16:45 AM
It is why I would chop throttle.   No need for a thread afterward.

You don't think it's a legitimate standpoint that it's a bit silly to hear an enemy aircraft approaching from 800 yards from inside a WWII aircraft running at full throttle?

Dobs- Last time I saw it come up, there was a lot of pushback from people not wanting to listen to their engine drone all day while flying.  Basically it's not realistic, but it's fun was the view.  Have never seen HT say anything about it.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Masherbrum on December 13, 2016, 11:29:22 AM
You don't think it's a legitimate standpoint that it's a bit silly to hear an enemy aircraft approaching from 800 yards from inside a WWII aircraft running at full throttle?

Dobs- Last time I saw it come up, there was a lot of pushback from people not wanting to listen to their engine drone all day while flying.  Basically it's not realistic, but it's fun was the view.  Have never seen HT say anything about it.

Wiley.

I would cut throttle in dives.  Apparently I am the only one who did it regularly.   But I was on the hats at all times saw them long before I heard them.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Dobs on December 13, 2016, 11:45:19 AM
"Basically it's not realistic, but it's fun was the view."

Thanks Wiley....figured it was addressed in the past. At least we don't have external view enabled so guys can fly around "outside their aircraft".

Masherbrum....while mind reading is rumored to exist, I find myself sadly lacking in the ability to read minds through a post. Go re-read your post.....cutting throttle when intending to anchor...yes....   Cutting thottle if planning on BnZ...no.

In theory, if he doesn't see you coming, (and hear you in this case) it is a moot point because he is dead.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Wiley on December 13, 2016, 11:52:52 AM
I would cut throttle in dives.  Apparently I am the only one who did it regularly.   But I was on the hats at all times saw them long before I heard them.

Occasionally when I'm in the Zoneysphere I'll see a guy at 20k not looking up.  I had never tested to see if cutting throttle makes a difference.  If the setup's right I usually just kill the engine and feather the prop for the bounce.

Cheesy?  Yes.  So is him being able to hear me.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Masherbrum on December 13, 2016, 12:02:58 PM
"Basically it's not realistic, but it's fun was the view."

Thanks Wiley....figured it was addressed in the past. At least we don't have external view enabled so guys can fly around "outside their aircraft".

Masherbrum....while mind reading is rumored to exist, I find myself sadly lacking in the ability to read minds through a post. Go re-read your post.....cutting throttle when intending to anchor...yes....   Cutting thottle if planning on BnZ...no.

In theory, if he doesn't see you coming, (and hear you in this case) it is a moot point because he is dead.

Cheers!

Situational Awareness is paramount to in game sounds.   I listened to music as it kept me always known the hats, even in fights.   
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Shuffler on December 13, 2016, 12:05:47 PM
Occasionally when I'm in the Zoneysphere I'll see a guy at 20k not looking up.  I had never tested to see if cutting throttle makes a difference.  If the setup's right I usually just kill the engine and feather the prop for the bounce.

Cheesy?  Yes.  So is him being able to hear me.

Wiley.

They sound is adjustable because we hear it through our headset. In reality your headset would muffle your own engines too so that you could communicate.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Masherbrum on December 13, 2016, 12:09:23 PM
They sound is adjustable because we hear it through our headset. In reality your headset would muffle your own engines too so that you could communicate.

I would bet that more than 50% of the player base, turns down the wind and engine sound.   Fessing up to it, would be an entirely different story.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Wiley on December 13, 2016, 12:16:24 PM
I would bet that more than 50% of the player base, turns down the wind and engine sound.   Fessing up to it, would be an entirely different story.

If memory serves, I haven't looked since early beta, but aren't all engine sounds tied together now?  No self engine/enemy engine independent adjustment?

About the only thing I can recall tweaking was everything vs vox so I could hear the guys on the radio.

I'd bet that only about 20% of the player base know where to adjust the sounds.  Of them, I have no trouble believing your 50% estimate.

Shuffler- I've often wondered if you'd even really hear bullets hitting your airframe depending on what they hit.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Masherbrum on December 13, 2016, 12:38:36 PM
If memory serves, I haven't looked since early beta, but aren't all engine sounds tied together now?  No self engine/enemy engine independent adjustment?

About the only thing I can recall tweaking was everything vs vox so I could hear the guys on the radio.

I'd bet that only about 20% of the player base know where to adjust the sounds.  Of them, I have no trouble believing your 50% estimate.

Shuffler- I've often wondered if you'd even really hear bullets hitting your airframe depending on what they hit.

Wiley.

I haven't played Aces High 3, since Alpha.   
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: puller on December 13, 2016, 01:03:02 PM
I would bet that more than 50% of the player base, turns down the wind and engine sound.   Fessing up to it, would be an entirely different story.

I have my "other engines" or whatever it is at 75% and I have the "your engine" set to like 25%....during FSO I have to turn the other engines down to less than 50% due to flying close together...at 75% if someone is hanging close to you, you can't hear vox or vent...if there are more than 3 people real close at 75% your ears start bleeding  :uhoh
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: oboe on December 13, 2016, 01:14:18 PM
I think a good case could be made for tying the engine sounds (both yours and others) together at a fixed ratio.  It's understandable people might want to turn their engine sound down (e.g. I had to do it to aid hearing and understanding radio comms) but to do it to gain advantage in hearing other's engines is pretty weak.

That said, being the subject of a slashing attack by a jet or fast prop plane when you can hear their engine scream by and their machine guns firing does up the pucker factor.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: NatCigg on December 13, 2016, 01:22:04 PM
I would bet that more than 50% of the player base, turns down the wind and engine sound.   Fessing up to it, would be an entirely different story.

All my sounds are adjusted to balance situational awareness and immersion.  I have my gv sound very quiet and external gv at normal.  Vox is 100 and my plane engine is down a little, external airplane at normal.  I know some have most sounds down except external engine to hear what the enemy is doing.  Mostly to be aware if the enemy pilot turns off his engine.  When looking for a enemy gv ill shut off my engine on occasion to hear for the enemy. If i feel like going max dweeb ill put sounds on my speakers and vox on my headset.  :angel:
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: NatCigg on December 13, 2016, 01:23:31 PM

That said, being the subject of a slashing attack by a jet or fast prop plane when you can hear their engine scream by and their machine guns firing does up the pucker factor.

true story   :airplane:
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: 1stpar3 on December 13, 2016, 02:06:46 PM
Yup, its all in the "sliders". Sounds like graphics options are all player adjustable. Not really sure what Mash ment about not fessing up to having sounds adjusted for a players liking? Also not sure as to why folk who arent active in AH3 are so snarky in their responses. The OP had a valid question and the game has changed dramatically since Alpha :aok
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: lunatic1 on December 13, 2016, 02:24:38 PM
       
Posted by: oboe
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but to do it to gain advantage in hearing other's engines is pretty weak.

^^ so we are supposed to turn our external sounds down so we can't hear them coming toward us, that's just dumb.
I have my internal sounds down to 2 or 3 percent-external sounds up at 100%.

but if you think that is weak, so be it.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Masherbrum on December 13, 2016, 02:32:24 PM
Yup, its all in the "sliders". Sounds like graphics options are all player adjustable. Not really sure what Mash ment about not fessing up to having sounds adjusted for a players liking? Also not sure as to why folk who arent active in AH3 are so snarky in their responses. The OP had a valid question and the game has changed dramatically since Alpha :aok

I wasn't being snarky.   Bad SA is bad SA.   Bottom line.     You're welcome for the alpha testing.   I hope the game is going well and the community begins to strengthen.   Maybe for the next Dayton Gathering, you can attend and see how snarky any of us are.   
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: oboe on December 13, 2016, 02:41:22 PM
       
Posted by: oboe
« on: Today at 01:14:1                                                           
but to do it to gain advantage in hearing other's engines is pretty weak.

^^ so we are supposed to turn our external sounds down so we can't hear them coming toward us, that's just dumb.
I have my internal sounds down to 2 or 3 percent-external sounds up at 100%.

but if you think that is weak, so be it.

Oh, you could fill a book with the dumb stuff I do, Lunatic1.  To each his own though!
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: 1stpar3 on December 13, 2016, 02:53:49 PM
Ok, perhaps I misinterpreted and you were not being snarky. I have been known to make mistakes. I was in alpha as well, and thank you for the contribution. It wasnt meant to be a personal attack. I apologize :rock   While I dont have my sounds set up to be gamey, I cant object to someone else's preferences to set theirs up that way. To each their own. To me its like convergence, while I may set mine in a more historical way, I know some guys set it at max. Not for me, but if it works for you, go for it. I am just glad they are in the game and possibly a RED ;)
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 13, 2016, 03:56:11 PM
I have my game engine turned way down. Can't really do that in real life. Can't really stand the new engine sounds (no offense, maybe they are accurate, but it's too lawn mower for me). So I turned it way down and can hear around me a lot better. I thought engine sounds were way to loud to begin with, which I thought I was probably accurate. It's just I can't hear people on Vox either, which was another reason I turned it down.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Masherbrum on December 13, 2016, 04:06:46 PM
Ok, perhaps I misinterpreted and you were not being snarky. I have been known to make mistakes. I was in alpha as well, and thank you for the contribution. It wasnt meant to be a personal attack. I apologize :rock   While I dont have my sounds set up to be gamey, I cant object to someone else's preferences to set theirs up that way. To each their own. To me its like convergence, while I may set mine in a more historical way, I know some guys set it at max. Not for me, but if it works for you, go for it. I am just glad they are in the game and possibly a RED ;)

We are fine.   I wanted to reel this one in and try to gain some positivity.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: colmbo on December 13, 2016, 08:43:18 PM

Shuffler- I've often wondered if you'd even really hear bullets hitting your airframe depending on what they hit.

Wiley.

Oh yeah, you'd hear it.  I've never heard rounds striking my airplane but I have heard ice coming off the prop.  I've heard birds hit the airplane.

You can also hear and feel the waste guns firing while in the pilot seat on a B-24.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: save on December 14, 2016, 06:45:35 AM
A 109 pilot (Knoke) wrote when he was hit in the rear fuselage by .50 cals it sounded like you poured out potatoes into a metal bucket.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Scca on December 15, 2016, 11:36:06 AM
...when I'm in the Zoneysphere
  :rofl :rofl :rofl Zoneysphere.....   :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Chalenge on December 15, 2016, 11:44:56 AM
Aircraft are very, very loud, yet even so you can identify when another aircraft is close. Not for an instant do I think you could hear an aircraft 800 yards away, unless you are deadstick.

I would like to do away with those two sliders also, but I am not under the illusion that you will not be able to hear other aircraft once that is accomplished. This is especially true with different sounds involved.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Shuffler on December 15, 2016, 11:54:11 AM
Aircraft are very, very loud, yet even so you can identify when another aircraft is close. Not for an instant do I think you could hear an aircraft 800 yards away, unless you are deadstick.

I would like to do away with those two sliders also, but I am not under the illusion that you will not be able to hear other aircraft once that is accomplished. This is especially true with different sounds involved.

Would only work if the game required everyone to use the same headphones or speakers.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: kilo2 on December 15, 2016, 10:49:51 PM
I turned both most the way down. But I listened to music the entire time I flew. I won't lie it did save me a few times though.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Biggamer on December 15, 2016, 11:00:13 PM
ill fess up in aces high 2 my wind sound was 0 and if it was an option in aces high 3 it would be 0 we dont have that option however engine sound we do in aces high 2 my engine sound was set to 20 and external engines was set to 100 and thats what i run in aces high 3 so yes i hear the enemy at 800-1000 out. ive always used these setting from day one i think i started in 2008 maybe even before.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Chalenge on December 16, 2016, 01:01:27 AM
Would only work if the game required everyone to use the same headphones or speakers.

Except they could be tied together, perhaps.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: ccvi on December 16, 2016, 09:04:03 AM
I've heared planes "looking" for GVs toggling their engines off to listen for them instead of spotting them visually.
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Zoney on December 16, 2016, 10:05:35 AM
ill fess up in aces high 2 my wind sound was 0 and if it was an option in aces high 3 it would be 0 we dont have that option however engine sound we do in aces high 2 my engine sound was set to 20 and external engines was set to 100 and thats what i run in aces high 3 so yes i hear the enemy at 800-1000 out. ive always used these setting from day one i think i started in 2008 maybe even before.

FYI, if you are relying on this for SA, you may be disappointed when I drop in from the Zoneysphere with my engine off.

I am very very sneaky.

I'm very very sneaky.

I apologize for this tactic to anyone who has a name that starts with "Z".
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: lunatic1 on December 16, 2016, 02:06:04 PM
Oh, you could fill a book with the dumb stuff I do, Lunatic1.  To each his own though!

lol, me too-like uppin at a capped field
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: oboe on December 16, 2016, 02:12:19 PM
I've heared planes "looking" for GVs toggling their engines off to listen for them instead of spotting them visually.

Wasn't this tactic used in a movie once?  I thought I remembered Henry Fonda's character up in a Bird Dog in the fog, and they shut down the engine and could hear the German's tank columns below.  Battle of the Bulge maybe?
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Max on December 16, 2016, 02:18:19 PM
Wasn't this tactic used in a movie once?  I thought I remembered Henry Fonda's character up in a Bird Dog in the fog, and they shut down the engine and could hear the German's tank columns below.  Battle of the Bulge maybe?

Yup, it was B of B. Great flick! Robert Shaw's character was a real meany!! :D
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: Oldman731 on December 16, 2016, 02:18:38 PM
Wasn't this tactic used in a movie once?  I thought I remembered Henry Fonda's character up in a Bird Dog in the fog, and they shut down the engine and could hear the German's tank columns below.  Battle of the Bulge maybe?


Yup.  Obviously unwise in IMC, even if you don't have AA shooting at you.

- oldman
Title: Re: Why do we hear other aircraft from within our own?
Post by: oboe on December 16, 2016, 02:45:52 PM
lol, me too-like uppin at a capped field

We never learn, do we?   Always that chance you can sneak away on the deck, down in the trees....and then "Blam, blam blam!" some nut in a Wirby hiding near the field saws my wing off...