Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DubiousKB on December 20, 2016, 11:40:24 AM
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Is there anything when your two week trial is up asking the user reasoning for not "buying" the game?
Just curious if that would be of any benefit to the sheep-herders. ... I mean I know one can always look at the BBS to check the "complaints Dept." but that's from the perspective of some seriously entrenched old guys. Ya, you're old.
At least some un-biased comments from actual new users could help shed light on potential reasons NEW players don't subscribe. :headscratch:
Been watching/collecting the grapes on BBS and making WHINE! :salute
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I'm about to activate my two week trial, although I'm not technically a new player. The reason that I may buy a month or two is for the same reason I may pull my N64 out of the closet to play some DonkeyKong, nostalgia. Aces High is an antique game that somehow is still managing to stay alive today. Based off of offline practice mode, the graphics are 10 years out of date, it plays and sounds very clunky, and the color pallet is visually assaulting. The one thing the game still has going for it is it's mmo arena style combat, which gives it good gameplay (permitting there are still people playing the game). It doesn't surprise me that very few new players are staying in the game. If I was a new player, I wouldn't buy the subscription either. There are just too many other better and cheaper options. Tragic really.
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There are just too many other better and cheaper options.
At $15 a month? I doubt it.
Not to mention those "better and cheaper" games are played with your credit card. You buy your improvements and better equipment in order to compete with the other players. "Pay to win" is the term they use. You want the premium ride? You pay the piper to dance. Not so here. Here you gain skill with every kill and in no time at all you can get better equipment by spending your perk points. The difference is it doesn't cost you a nickel more here. It just takes a little time and practice.
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There is no other game that has the same 'open world' dimension, and graphics. Period. Not P3D, not FSX, certainly not DCS, and Il2:BoS?
You have to understand too, that AH3 is still undergoing improvements. HTC never stops improving things. How many times do people whine on STEAM about the 'updates' that make no difference?
And your comment is obviously in the blind concerning the sounds. This game gives you the tools to make a difference, and I know for a fact that no other game offers what this game can do with audio.
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I'm about to activate my two week trial, although I'm not technically a new player. The reason that I may buy a month or two is for the same reason I may pull my N64 out of the closet to play some DonkeyKong, nostalgia. Aces High is an antique game that somehow is still managing to stay alive today. Based off of offline practice mode, the graphics are 10 years out of date, it plays and sounds very clunky, and the color pallet is visually assaulting. The one thing the game still has going for it is it's mmo arena style combat, which gives it good gameplay (permitting there are still people playing the game). It doesn't surprise me that very few new players are staying in the game. If I was a new player, I wouldn't buy the subscription either. There are just too many other better and cheaper options. Tragic really.
Jeez Fletcher, tells how you really feel. You sound like a competitor trying to kill the game. Go find another target. :angry:
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Soooooo that's a no? There is no "exit-survey" of any kind after two week trial?
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Soooooo that's a no? There is no "exit-survey" of any kind after two week trial?
There may be, but not anything "we" are likely to see. I think HTC has a survey that can be filled out "if" you want to take the time, and Im sure they go through them.
Posting here, as "Fletcher" did only brings out the people who are looking to argue over what he said. Personally, Id like Fletcher to post pictures of AH3 and any other game he thinks has such better graphics. I don't play any other games, though I've seen many my son plays and with the update, I just dont see how anyone can call the graphics "10 years out of date".
Playing and sounding "clunky" is another one I don't get and would love to see/hear some examples as again I just don't see it. I love the new sounds and as long as Im paying attention my plane flies nice and smooth and only gets jumpy when I have 5 of 6 guys on me :D
I'd would love the hear what exit comments there are, but I dont want to see people come in and just bad mouth the game for the heck of it. Show me what your talking about. Heck you may have the game setup poorly and THIS is why your having issues and quit.
The more data, the more info people can give the better the all around experience EVERYONE will have.
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Jeez guys, settle down. I'm just giving my non biased opinion of the game as asked for by the original poster. Besides, if we are unable or unwilling to acknowledge the game's downfalls, than how can it ever be improved, let alone compete?
As for Blooz, if I'm going to spend money on something, I'm looking to OWN whatever I'm buying, not make payments. With payments, it's easy to lose track of how much I'm spending. For example, Aces High would cost me $180 for just one year.
And for Challenge, most modern PC games encourage mods for everything including audio. However, I'm no professional sound designer or modder, so it would be nice if the default sounds didn't make it sound like I was flying a lawn mower. Also, I'm not the blind one if you think Aces High's graphics top all other games out there.
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See Rule #4 (trolling)
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DISCLAIMER: I am NOT advertising or advocating DCS in this post, I am instead using it to provide side by side screenshots with Aces High as per request by Fugitive.
(http://i.imgur.com/V3yzONB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kqKKeXx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WzcWmas.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6aLZsoC.jpg)
And a player created film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-wMMOtMwsI
those 2 screenshots are from Aces High II the Aces High III looks way better than those ones you picked out
EDIT: DCS is a hardcore flight sim in which you need to study in some cases a Manual is fly an aircraft in the sim. Aces High is a sim that makes it easy enough for an average person to get behind a joystick and fly
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OK, and here is an image posted by Greebo of a skin he has just done for a N1K1
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/Jonchaz/Screenshots%20Japanese/343rd_FG_N1K-2J_SC1_zpskgug7rpg.jpg)
How does this look like it is 10 years behind? Nobody said the graphics "are the best out there" but calling them 10 years behind everyone else isn't being truthful is it?
As for the video, it is a cinematic video. Dolby use to do some really good ones but he had a falling out with HTC and so pulled down his videos. I found a few of his older ones on youtube but they dont do what he did later any justice.
Again, those pictures dont hold up against what you said about the game. On top of that there is the game play experience. I have watched a few twitch feeds of other flight games and it has one fight in an hour in most case.
You mentioned the cost. Some of those other games lead you into "buying" planes, or upgrades so that the only way to compete is with continual influx of cash. This game is pretty strait forward. $15 a month for all the time you want to spend in a fully fleshed out world that can be over a quarter of a million square miles, with over 100 realistic WWII pieces equipment on the land, in the air and at sea. Everyone is on equal footing and to become the best all it takes is practice. None of those other games can even come close.
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Personally, Id like Fletcher to post pictures of AH3 and any other game he thinks has such better graphics. I don't play any other games, though I've seen many my son plays and with the update, I just dont see how anyone can call the graphics "10 years out of date".
There is no other game that has the same 'open world' dimension, and graphics. Period. Not P3D, not FSX, certainly not DCS, and Il2:BoS?
These screenshots are unedited. IL2 BoS.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/XrAKwFsd0wMmsxBDWK8atd4TKL9BtdU4byaY6860--9Up0XrQS_T-tFfQzoOx1g49dEc4BORBUdzAwI=w1920-h935-rw)
(https://s6.postimg.org/xatk4efjl/Yak_2.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/Q_W8PxMRDSZNj0eH24eH2Y3lw8v4GHOnWe4roKWrR0wvpnHpqh2jCz9k8PSoByQWRSxeyPnvcQU91No=w1920-h935-rw)
(https://i1316.photobucket.com/albums/t610/svkingree/2016_1_24__16_58_0_zpslumnvxbr.png)
(https://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad355/Old_Jock/Simms/Il-2%202016-02-11%2019-43-03_zpsxdt6befj.png)
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Damn, those il2 screenshots look gorgeous! I've considered buying that game. Is it a good buy?
And I've got to admit, that N1K does look good. The pics of Aces High I pulled were from the screenshot thread of the forum, and were the best I could find in the first couple of pages. I couldn't even find much on google images. I'll admit, they don't do the game all that much justice so I had picked more average pictures from DCS as well to compare with. I try my best to be fair. As far as the video, I just love that vid, and it shows the cinematic capabilities of the game. You've got to admit it, that video is AWESOME!
For the 10 year old graphics, you've got to remember, FSX looked like this in 2006 http://www.avsim.com/pages/0106/FSX/fsx_thumbs.html . Granted, they haven't done much to improve their game much graphically outside of player mods since then, but that's besides the point. Those graphics rival AH3, and their from 2006.
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Not even close to AH3. Seriously, drive through an airfield, town, or factory sometime.
I own all of these games. Aces High is top dog and not because of the singular argument of graphics. Aces High is top dog because it does all these things the best, and more. Tank battles, fleet battles, long-range and short range missions, fighter, bomber, attack, and scenarios, special events, and squad based operations.
Plus we have Santa.
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Damn, those il2 screenshots look gorgeous! I've considered buying that game. Is it a good buy?
And I've got to admit, that N1K does look good. The pics of Aces High I pulled were from the screenshot thread of the forum, and were the best I could find in the first couple of pages. I couldn't even find much on google images. I'll admit, they don't do the game all that much justice so I had picked more average pictures from DCS as well to compare with. I try my best to be fair. As far as the video, I just love that vid, and it shows the cinematic capabilities of the game. You've got to admit it, that video is AWESOME!
For the 10 year old graphics, you've got to remember, FSX looked like this in 2006 http://www.avsim.com/pages/0106/FSX/fsx_thumbs.html . Granted, they haven't done much to improve their game much graphically outside of player mods since then, but that's besides the point. Those graphics rival AH3, and their from 2006.
If you were in the Exchange of everyday screenshots anyone? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,204187.0.html) thread, the first couple of pages
are from 2007.
Coogan
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Yeah, pretty much this shot puts WoT to shame, especially when you consider AH3 is not so much an arcade shooter.
(http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/JagdPanther%20Kill_zpsljz7jxee.jpg)
and my favorite at the moment:
(http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/GoonDawn_zps5qghtlhe.jpg)
Night:
(http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/RefineryNight_zpsbox8xcj0.jpg)
and Day:
(http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/AH3-Radar-Factory_zpsigeibn1o.jpg)
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If you were in the Exchange of everyday screenshots anyone? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,204187.0.html) thread, the first couple of pages
are from 2007.
Coogan
Ah, that explains why I was having so much trouble finding a good screen shot. I'm still learning the ins and outs of this board.
You know, this thread has kinda diverted a little bit. I gave my honest opinion on why new players aren't staying. I have learned though that some of you passionately disagree. Lets agree to accept each other's opinions and move on cause I'd hate to make to many enemies before I even start flying!
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I'll give you my opinion on that straight up. Aces High isn't just easy, but it has a complexity that can be enjoyed once it is understood.
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Wait, what? Why did one of my post get deleted and replaced with "trolling?"
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Wait, what? Why did one of my post get deleted and replaced with "trolling?"
Read the rules. It probably cracked or fully broke one. We all get one sometimes. Even when we mean no harm.
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Wait, what? Why did one of my post get deleted and replaced with "trolling?"
You posted old images, from Aces High II, as substantiation for your opinion about the age of the graphics in Aces High III.
Ah, that explains why I was having so much trouble finding a good screen shot. I'm still learning the ins and outs of this board.
You know, this thread has kinda diverted a little bit. I gave my honest opinion on why new players aren't staying. I have learned though that some of you passionately disagree. Lets agree to accept each other's opinions and move on cause I'd hate to make to many enemies before I even start flying!
In all honesty, you tainted your "honest opinion" and call to question your credibility. Let me explain.
In your opening statement in this thread, you stated,
I'm about to activate my two week trial, although I'm not technically a new player. The reason that I may buy a month or two is for the same reason I may pull my N64 out of the closet to play some DonkeyKong, nostalgia. Aces High is an antique game that somehow is still managing to stay alive today. Based off of offline practice mode, the graphics are 10 years out of date, it plays and sounds very clunky, and the color pallet is visually assaulting. The one thing the game still has going for it is it's mmo arena style combat, which gives it good gameplay (permitting there are still people playing the game). It doesn't surprise me that very few new players are staying in the game. If I was a new player, I wouldn't buy the subscription either. There are just too many other better and cheaper options. Tragic really.
You said you played offline, then you use screenshots from nearly 10 years ago to substantiate your claim after you have played it offline. I am having a very hard time understanding how anyone could play the game offline, then turn around and use screenshots, which are obviously much poorer than offline flight would have been.
Even with every graphic option turned off, Aces High III looks better than AH2 did with everything turned up.
While we have always allowed people to discuss other games on our board, what we do not allow is people to come in here and make arbitrary and derogatory statements about our product, and service, which have no basis in reality.
Due to how you have presented yourself in this thread, you have lost most of your credibility as it pertains to how Aces High III looks.
All that said, Aces High III is still very much a new product. We have a lot of older models in the game, which will eventually, get updated. Simply updating the skins is going to make a huge difference, even in the older models. To lambast our product, using 9 or 10 year old screenshots from a game which no longer exists is wrong and quite disrespectful.
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Did you read my later post? I apologize for the old screenshots, but they were honestly the best I could find with my limited knowlege of the board. And did you read the original post? I'm not slamming the game, I'm giving an honest opinion on why new players aren't staying. Now, I can forgive a few passionate players getting defensive, but an administrator taking disciplinary action before even messaging me first? I may have discovered another reason why new players aren't staying. I have discovered that this community (or at least a portion of it) is downright violent. As a community, and especially as an admin, don't you think that rather than tearing me apart because of my opinion, you should use diplomacy to try to change it? Right now, nobody here is giving me a good reason to put my money into this game.
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Right now, nobody here is giving me a good reason to put my money into this game.
With all due respect, you still don't get it. We don't have to give you a reason, the GAME does that.
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I find the timing of your post, your name, and the recent "dislikes" very suspicious.
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ugh. just close this up. Nobody seems to know what I"m talking about and it's WAY off topic.
Skuzzy, nothing like a radio button 4 choice pop-up currently exists after two-week trial is used up?
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You are correct. I am not giving you a reason to join.
I am correcting incorrect information posted on our board about our game. You posted images not representative of Aces High III and I removed them. It would only confuse any potential new player.
By the way, you could have taken your own screenshots of the game. It does have that facility built-in.
I also gave you a "heads-up" about how you are going to be perceived, due to how you presented yourself in this thread. I posted that so others would have insight as to what was going on as the images are no longer in this thread.
You want to do this privately, that is fine with me. Simply PM me.
ugh. just close this up. Nobody seems to know what I"m talking about and it's WAY off topic.
Skuzzy, nothing like a radio button 4 choice pop-up currently exists after two-week trial is used up?
It does not exist.
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The reason why most players leave, who aren't just quitting because of subscription payment, is because of stale game play action, long sorties with little action, and training undertsanding of the BIG MA. That's the bottom line. The MA is very complex for new players.
It's not about graphics, or how old the game is. I actually really like the new graphics with a little tweaks here and there. I do hope they get a little sharper overall, but thats really not even the reason why people don't continue playing.
The best solution is to fix the DA furball lake area because it's a total design failure for its intended purpose.
Or you can create a small action FFA or team death match arena with 20 max players on a very small map. This is what will help the new and returning players find action and learn the game, so they feel like the MA is where they can put their new skills up the test. I feel like AvA would accomplish this, but the map fight area has to be much smaller, and it's not really what I'm talking about.
Or you can make the bases in the MA a closer distance so players can get to fights more quickly and defend bases more quickly from back fields.
H2H really helped me stay apart of this game because I could always find quick fights and action. Not everyone has 2 hours to play, newbs especially have a much lower tolerance and crave quick action. These types of arenas really helped me learn the game, find friends, and not take anything seriously. This was great. I'm not saying bring back the free part of it, but I think an arena that was catered to this type of game play would really help new players stick around longer.
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Ah, that explains why I was having so much trouble finding a good screen shot. I'm still learning the ins and outs of this board.
You know, this thread has kinda diverted a little bit. I gave my honest opinion on why new players aren't staying. I have learned though that some of you passionately disagree. Lets agree to accept each other's opinions and move on cause I'd hate to make to many enemies before I even start flying!
AH has a very steep learning curve. It is easy to become frustrated as a noob and quit. Hell, I was on here and still angry enough (over my inability to win fights with any consistency) to quit everyday for two or three years. But I hung in there.
New players likely seek instant gratification. Well, this isn't some XBox or PS game. It takes a lot of work to set it up and even more to learn the slightest bit to be competitive. If new players leave I doubt it is because of graphics. As the screenshots above show, the graphics in AH3 are quite good.
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It does not exist.
Thank you.
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The reason why most players leave, who aren't just quitting because of subscription payment, is because of stale game play action, long sorties with little action, and training undertsanding of the BIG MA. That's the bottom line. The MA is very complex for new players.
It's not about graphics, or how old the game is. I actually really like the new graphics with a little tweaks here and there. I do hope they get a little sharper overall, but thats really not even the reason why people don't continue playing.
The best solution is to fix the DA furball lake area because it's a total design failure for its intended purpose.
Or you can create a small action FFA or team death match arena with 20 max players on a very small map. This is what will help the new and returning players find action and learn the game, so they feel like the MA is where they can put their new skills up the test. I feel like AvA would accomplish this, but the map fight area has to be much smaller, and it's not really what I'm talking about.
Or you can make the bases in the MA a closer distance so players can get to fights more quickly and defend bases more quickly from back fields.
H2H really helped me stay apart of this game because I could always find quick fights and action. Not everyone has 2 hours to play, newbs especially have a much lower tolerance and crave quick action. These types of arenas really helped me learn the game, find friends, and not take anything seriously. This was great. I'm not saying bring back the free part of it, but I think an arena that was catered to this type of game play would really help new players stick around longer.
We have H2H now but no one starts a room and invites folks. Note it is for paying customers only.
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Did you read my later post? I apologize for the old screenshots, but they were honestly the best I could find with my limited knowlege of the board. And did you read the original post? I'm not slamming the game, I'm giving an honest opinion on why new players aren't staying. Now, I can forgive a few passionate players getting defensive, but an administrator taking disciplinary action before even messaging me first? I may have discovered another reason why new players aren't staying. I have discovered that this community (or at least a portion of it) is downright violent. As a community, and especially as an admin, don't you think that rather than tearing me apart because of my opinion, you should use diplomacy to try to change it? Right now, nobody here is giving me a good reason to put my money into this game.
You aren't here to put money into the game but to deter others from doing so.
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We have H2H now but no one starts a room and invites folks. Note it is for paying customers only.
The free H2H is why I am here. Having been a subscriber for six or seven years' worth that's a lot of revenue generated for not much cost.
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We have H2H now but no one starts a room and invites folks. Note it is for paying customers only.
There arent rooms that are open on a regular timed basis where people know that those rooms are available and that they are allowed to participate in them. H2H had this. If there was a room that was constantly open and had more than 4 players in it, that would become popular since people knew it would be there, and there would be people to fight. Also, most people probably just rush to click on the MA, without even looking at the top header.
Hell, you could even bring back the midwar arena, put in a much smaller map with maybe 5 bases on each team, and this would probably be very successful and have the same purpose.
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The free H2H is why I am here. Having been a subscriber for six or seven years' worth that's a lot of revenue generated for not much cost.
That is where I started too. Many more years ago. Free H2H went away due to people that messed with the code.
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There arent rooms that are open on a regular timed basis where people know that those rooms are available and that they are allowed to participate in them. H2H had this. If there was a room that was constantly open and had more than 4 players in it, that would become popular since people knew it would be there, and there would be people to fight. Also, most people probably just rush to click on the MA, without even looking at the top header.
Hell, you could even bring back the midwar arena, put in a much smaller map with maybe 5 bases on each team, and this would probably be very successful and have the same purpose.
Anyone is free to host a room. All you have to do is open one and keep it up to start the ball rolling. I believe they have number limits just as the original H2H did.
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Just FYI.
Any current subscriber can create a "Custom" arena (formerly known as H2H). Once created, anyone can join it. No subscription required to join a custom arena. Only thing needed is an account, which is always free until you subscribe.
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Man, I feel like I've just been sent to the gulag for speaking ill of the Kremlin. Anyways, there is no reason to get my blood boiling. I'm a person that believes strongly in forgiving and forgetting, and I don't plan to make any enemies. From now on, I'll try to keep my video game opinions to my self :lipsrsealed:. Skuzzy, I did not know about the free "H2H" custom arena thing. Maybe if I can make a friend or two in the forums, I can fly in there for free. Can you show me, or send me, instructions on how to create one?
Well, I'm off to the family for Christmas. I hope you all have happy holidays as well!
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Wow, the N1k looks fantastic, the weather beaten used look is just great. Like it has been flying from some jungle airstrip. That texture makes it really jump out at me. SWEET! My eyes just drink it up!
The others look too "shiny new", don't seem to have the gritty wartime feeling like the N1k!
Just how it looks to me..
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The "custom" arenas are not free, per se. It requires a subscribed player to create the arena. Once created, any player with or without a subscription can join. Just want to make that clear.
Only a subscribed player can create a custom arena.
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Fletch,
You cant make a custom room unless you are a subscriber! But any subscriber can make a custom arena and then you can play for free,all you need is an account but you dont need to subscribe!
I'm usually in the training arena most nights,there is no lack of training as some might think but there is a lack of players wanting training! I spent about an hour with a couple of players the other night,I show one of them a simple concept and a light went on for that player! All he needs do is work on it and pass some on to others in his squad. When this happens it gives me great satisfaction and the player often is successful afterwards.
Those who think the learning curve is steep,are wrong,it's more a series of steps and plateaus! Learn a new skill,become proficient then on to the next skill,it almost never ends because of the diverse game play,large amount of players and the large play area that AH3 offers!
YMMV!
:salute
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Morfiend, thanks for the tip! If there is one thing I have learned, it's that there is always more to be learned. I'll be looking for you in game after Christmas. Is your in game name the same?
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Yes,I have kept the same handle since becoming a trainer!
You can usually find me in the TA between 9pm and 11 pm most week nights,Fridays I actually play AH so I seldom do training that day but I'm always available to answer questions and assist in setup and basic computer tweaks....
Warning I know just enough to really messup a computer... :devil
:salute
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Just FYI.
Any current subscriber can create a "Custom" arena (formerly known as H2H). Once created, anyone can join it. No subscription required to join a custom arena. Only thing needed is an account, which is always free until you subscribe.
This I did not know. Thanks for clarifying. A very interesting clarification too!
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Man, I feel like I've just been sent to the gulag for speaking ill of the Kremlin. Anyways, there is no reason to get my blood boiling. I'm a person that believes strongly in forgiving and forgetting, and I don't plan to make any enemies. From now on, I'll try to keep my video game opinions to my self :lipsrsealed:. Skuzzy, I did not know about the free "H2H" custom arena thing. Maybe if I can make a friend or two in the forums, I can fly in there for free. Can you show me, or send me, instructions on how to create one?
Well, I'm off to the family for Christmas. I hope you all have happy holidays as well!
After the way you came onto the boards I think you were handled very professionally by Skuzzy.
Live and learn... start a new slate, join, and lets have fun flying.
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Man, I feel like I've just been sent to the gulag for speaking ill of the Kremlin. Anyways, there is no reason to get my blood boiling. I'm a person that believes strongly in forgiving and forgetting, and I don't plan to make any enemies. From now on, I'll try to keep my video game opinions to my self :lipsrsealed:. Skuzzy, I did not know about the free "H2H" custom arena thing. Maybe if I can make a friend or two in the forums, I can fly in there for free. Can you show me, or send me, instructions on how to create one?
Well, I'm off to the family for Christmas. I hope you all have happy holidays as well!
All is good sir, look forward to seeing you in the MA, and most likely falling prey to your guns. :D
Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.
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Is there anything when your two week trial is up asking the user reasoning for not "buying" the game?
Just curious if that would be of any benefit to the sheep-herders. ... I mean I know one can always look at the BBS to check the "complaints Dept." but that's from the perspective of some seriously entrenched old guys. Ya, you're old.
At least some un-biased comments from actual new users could help shed light on potential reasons NEW players don't subscribe. :headscratch:
Been watching/collecting the grapes on BBS and making WHINE! :salute
At one time there was a selection when you cancelled your sub on why you quit, dont know if its still there or not