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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: caldera on January 01, 2017, 11:20:09 AM
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They are completely unreliable in performing their intended (I think) purpose. Flying to a sector with little or no darbar, it magically grows, once in visual range of all the red guys at or above your altitude.
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+1 we just don't have the population even at peek to have its current setup work.
(as it is now, its great if you have 400+ people flying, but we don't get that anymore )
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Yea please fix
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I don't even understand the problem since I only played a short while with during the massive numbers days.
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Was going to post a similar wish.
"just logging in for a quick fight, no dar bars, no fight, logged out." I've been hearing this way too many times lately from older players and squaddies. These guys should know better that you have to have a little patience to work out what is going on.
They want on-going battles to jump into and it is very hard for them to do that when the localised dar bars are screwing with the real picture of what is airbourne.
Tweak it back to encourage and direct the fights. Update rate instant, range map wide.
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I don't even understand the problem since I only played a short while with during the massive numbers days.
I believe the crux of the issue is the range based sector counter. For example a guy in the air near a fight will see full dar and someone in the tower on the other side of the map won't have the same.
Going to an enemy base with no counter, then when you get close enough it pops to full with guys at 15k waiting. Guys in the tower need to see it for what it is so they can plan their runs accordingly. The current setup has added a little fog of war but we need to encourage the newer players that there is plenty of action.
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I believe the crux of the issue is the range based sector counter. For example a guy in the air near a fight will see full dar and someone in the tower on the other side of the map won't have the same.
Going to an enemy base with no counter, then when you get close enough it pops to full with guys at 15k waiting. Guys in the tower need to see it for what it is so they can plan their runs accordingly. The current setup has added a little fog of war but we need to encourage the newer players that there is plenty of action.
Ah, okay. I see. Yeah, I agree with you guys on that.
+1
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Seems backwards. You'd figure that guys in the tower would have the more "up-to-date" information, while guys on sortie would be the ones with "delayed info". :headscratch: The delay, regardless, seems to be a bit too high judging from the suggestions and complaints on this.
All in all, it kind of feels like they are trying to nudge folks into flying together (team play) more than going out solo, judging by how the suggestions/complaints are going. Most of them I see are from folks who tend to go solo (just from how they word it). :headscratch:
Might I suggest going out in a wing of 4 at minimum? :)
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The problem cropped up towards the last couple of years of AH2 and has carried over to AH3.
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I've been flying in the same sector and/or one sector over from a squady and mates in range and there are at least three different reports of the darbar. One still showed a large bar, one looked like two fighters in sector, and mine showed just one. I thought that maybe it had to do with some sort of update delay from the server between us, but sounds like it may be a different problem.
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I always thought dar bars were a direct representation of aircraft in the grid (excluding those below radar level). Why would it be anything else? :headscratch:
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I always thought dar bars were a direct representation of aircraft in the grid (excluding those below radar level). Why would it be anything else? :headscratch:
Why is not the known but the fact is that it does very.
If there is a variable that can be changed from the server side to reduce the delay/difference in dar bar data reporting to players across the field is also questionable till there is a more knowledgeable responce.
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Why is not the known but the fact is that it does very.
If there is a variable that can be changed from the server side to reduce the delay/difference in dar bar data reporting to players across the field is also questionable till there is a more knowledgeable responce.
Mine has varied compared to my squadronmates at times. I, too, figured it was server lag or something. .
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240 on tonight....pretty happy with that.
Dar bar seems to "age in" differently" for players...I'll call a dar bar, and my squaddie/wingie who is right besided me doesn't see it.....or vice versa.
I like the fact that you can see indications of activity in sectors....makes it pretty nice to find a fight.
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It seems quirky and unreliable.
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The dar bar should be a true representation of the number of aircraft in the air. Promote fights.
We don't have enough "mega missions" from deep friendly territory to worry about "giving" it away to the other sides, so why not true dar bar?
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+1
I have witnessed all of the problems mentioned above, more times than I can remember.
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If we can click on an enemy field and know so much about it.............. why not also be told how many players are currently "inplay" from that field. The facility could be configured through arena settings fro scenarios etc.
Data is already in the system.
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What it always looked like to me when squaddies and I had disparities between what we were seeing on bardar is for some reason I was not getting the bar dar because I was too far away. Once I got my plane close enough (it felt like it might've been 10k, which if memory serves is dot distance or when things actually start to exist on my client) suddenly my bardar would sync up and all would be good.
Yet at other times such as upon login, you appear to get bar dar from all around the map regardless of proximity.
If it's working as intended and somehow supposed to be a "fog of war" thing personally I think that's not a good way to do it. It should show what's in the air that meets the conditions that should result in bar dar map wide.
Wiley.
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Lately I've watched my squad mates from the tower reporting they are in the thick of a furball at a base 20k to the deck. I will only see their squad colored tiny planes on the map at that location. But, I will also see a conga line of green tiny icons between them and the nearest friendly field. Until I got within icon range of my squad mates I never had any enemy red dar on my map. I'm seeing a lot of this lately.
Something like that could easily fool just logged in players to think there was no action on the map and help them decide to go watch dancing with the stars. Our numbers are still low enough, fog of war may be helping dancing with the stars gain new viewers.
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I flew NOE to a friendly strat hoping to surprise a tank as there was no dar bar.
I get there and find two P47s that have been there for 10 minutes.
Of course, they bail as I arrive.
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+1
Dar bars now are completely unreliable. Can't find a fight on some nights.
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No darbar, base starts flashing, nothing on Dar, thinking NOE. Take off expecting to see low buffs and I start salivating. What do I see? 15K buffs... :bhead
Not sure if a bug or a feature, but we at least should hear some sort of official word.. If I missed it sorry, but all I have heard so far is crickets.
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When were these changes made and what was their intended purpose?
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The problem cropped up towards the last couple of years of AH2 and has carried over to AH3.
Yea I don't remember having a problem with darbar years ago...now I'll run into 5 cons co alt without a darbar even popping.
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Yea I don't remember having a problem with darbar years ago...now I'll run into 5 cons co alt without a darbar even popping.
I can remember it as far back as the Titanic Tuesday days. I specifically remember a TT which might've been the first time I noticed it being unreliable.
The flakiness has been around a while.
Wiley.
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When were these changes made and what was their intended purpose?
I'm guessing it was to add some "fog of war" but HT will have to comment on exactly what change was made and his thinking behind it. I don't recall it ever being in patch notes and it is an arena setting. Hopefully not an oversight for the last 5 years :bhead
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Nothing was changed intentionally.
I'll look over the system to see if I can spot the issue.
A few ahf files along with descriptions of what you saw would greatly aid the process.
HiTech
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Can we also get details as to how the dar bar works?
At what alt do you show up as an icon inside a radar circle, at what alt do you show up as a block on the dar bar? How many planes per block of dar bar?
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I believe I've got some old AH2 .ahf files from when I first noticed it. I'll check tonight.
Just to make sure- Should bardar be map-wide always, regardless of the player's location? I was always under the impression that was supposed to be the case, and that's what I noticed wasn't.
Wiley.
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Can we also get details as to how the dar bar works?
At what alt do you show up as an icon inside a radar circle, at what alt do you show up as a block on the dar bar? How many planes per block of dar bar?
Alts are shown in the Options/Arena Settings /System Variables
Full bar = 10 or more,
Bar are incremented in steps of 2 planes, I.E. one or 2 planes shows the same on sector counter I.E. "dar bar"
HiTech
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Alts are shown in the Options/Arena Settings /System Variables
Full bar = 10 or more,
Bar are incremented in steps of 2 planes, I.E. one or 2 planes shows the same on sector counter I.E. "dar bar"
HiTech
Thanks, every time I've asked I get a different answer in the game. For those wondering, current MA is set to the following:
Under radar: 65ft
Under dar bar: 250ft
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I think found the bug, it is not a new one. At least I know I found 1 relating to Sector Counters.
Has to do with distant planers not always updating there Below Counter status.
HiTech
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can we get the names of the distant planers, some of us would like to go have a talk with them.
semp
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I think found the bug, it is not a new one. At least I know I found 1 relating to Sector Counters.
Has to do with distant planers not always updating there Below Counter status.
HiTech
Appriciate it! Hopefully it will be this simple.
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On a related issue.........
I have noted over the years that my darbar update is considerably and consistently later than that enjoyed by (at least some) others. By this I mean by many seconds (10-20 possibly more). One fellow squad member always updates darbars before me this way.
Indeed when playing scenarios I always ask him to advise me of darbar fluctuation over radio as he sees it so much earlier then me and its quicker than waiting for my FE to update.
Could this be a similar bug???
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On a related issue.........
I have noted over the years that my darbar update is considerably and consistently later than that enjoyed by (at least some) others. By this I mean by many seconds (10-20 possibly more). One fellow squad member always updates darbars before me this way.
Indeed when playing scenarios I always ask him to advise me of darbar fluctuation over radio as he sees it so much earlier then me and its quicker than waiting for my FE to update.
Could this be a similar bug???
I find this very hard to believe. They will update at different times but not at different rates.
HiTech
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I find this very hard to believe. They will update at different times but not at different rates.
HiTech
The refresh, does it go by when the person logged in, or something like alphabetically or some hidden player ID? I've noticed at different times I am sometimes ahead, sometimes behind what squaddies are seeing.
On the original request for film, I only found one with a bardar related title, and not the one I was hoping I had. On the film I did find, by context, what I believe happened is someone said they saw bardar, I couldn't, so I went looking for the guy. I found him at 20k or so. If you want the film, just let me know and I'll email it tonight.
Wiley.
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I find this very hard to believe. They will update at different times but not at different rates.
HiTech
I have not noticed different rates. I have noticed that my FE updates at the same rate but consistantly and significantly later than some others.
It's the consistantly bit that bugs me. I would have thought that whether my FE updates earlier or later than Player B would be somewhat random ( maybe driven from a log on time or something) . But even changing my hardware set up and upgrading to AH3 still preserved the status quo in this respect.
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I have not noticed different rates. I have noticed that my FE updates at the same rate but consistantly and significantly later than some others.
It's the consistantly bit that bugs me. I would have thought that whether my FE updates earlier or later than Player B would be somewhat random ( maybe driven from a log on time or something) . But even changing my hardware set up and upgrading to AH3 still preserved the status quo in this respect.
The rates has nothing to do with your front end. And when is not all at once, it is at what time each player you are updated. You could be seeing player A move before your friend. But your friend would see Player B move before you.
HiTech
HiTech
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Is our CBM radar view updated based on where we sit in a queue, versus we all get the same update at the same moment by a global data broadcast?
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On a related issue.........
I have noted over the years that my darbar update is considerably and consistently later than that enjoyed by (at least some) others. By this I mean by many seconds (10-20 possibly more). One fellow squad member always updates darbars before me this way.
In our squad we have compared darbar size or lack of a darbar many times. No squad member sees a change first, consistently. It is very random on who sees what,when.
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FYI.. i believe the dar is fixed.
Noticed in medium sized furballs that werent big enough to generate a full darbar, you would see a ton more update movement in the dar.
Ill keep an eye open to see if I run into any high alt cons that dont generate any bar dar. :cheers:
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thanks for the feedback lazer havent been able to get online to check it out yet. hopefully it is much easier to see a fight.
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FYI.. i believe the dar is fixed.
Noticed in medium sized furballs that werent big enough to generate a full darbar, you would see a ton more update movement in the dar.
Ill keep an eye open to see if I run into any high alt cons that dont generate any bar dar. :cheers:
Yep!
Much better! Population does thin out late night/early morning for us near central timezone but it has incouraged more players to stick around longer!
So far I havent noticed much discrepancies with what other people have been seeing