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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: band on March 14, 2017, 07:01:57 PM
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I am trying to decide on upgrading to a 1060 or building a whole new system. I'm currently running an I5-750 at 3400 and am not sure if this old of a system will do alright in AH3 with just a video card upgrade. Any input would be appreciated. Here's my dxdiag. My current monitor is 60 hertz 1920 x 1080.
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System Information
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Time of this report: 3/14/2017, 18:40:40
Machine name: RIGGER-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_ldr.161011-0600)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: P55A-UD3
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.4GHz
Memory: 4096MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 4092MB RAM
Page File: 4003MB used, 4177MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode
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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
Sound Tab 4: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)
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Display Devices
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Card name: AMD Radeon HD 5700 Series
Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Chip type: AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x68B8)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68B8&SUBSYS_D132174B&REV_00
Display Memory: 2804 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1014 MB
Shared Memory: 1789 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: SyncMaster
Monitor Id: SAM0613
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: HDMI
Driver Name: aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,aticfx32,aticfx32,aticfx32,atiumd64.dll,atidxx64.dll,atidxx64.dll,atiumdag,atidxx32,atidxx32,atiumdva,atiumd6a.cap,atitmm64.dll
Driver File Version: 8.17.0010.1333 (English)
Driver Version: 14.501.1003.0
DDI Version: 11
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 11/20/2014 21:44:20, 1348928 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-2BF8-11CF-CE71-38F1BEC2C535}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x68B8
SubSys ID: 0xD132174B
Revision ID: 0x0000
Driver Strong Name: oem122.inf:ATI.Mfg.NTamd64.6.1:ati2mtag_Evergreen:14.501.1003.0:pci\ven_1002&dev_68b8
Rank Of Driver: 00E62001
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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D3D9 Overlay: Not Supported
DXVA-HD: Not Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
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Sound Devices
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Description: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0888&SUBSYS_1458A002&REV_1000
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5998 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 12/8/2009 05:20:14, 2223392 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Description: Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0888&SUBSYS_1458A002&REV_1000
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5998 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 12/8/2009 05:20:14, 2223392 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Description: Realtek HD Audio 2nd output (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0888&SUBSYS_1458A002&REV_1000
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5998 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 12/8/2009 05:20:14, 2223392 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Description: AMD HDMI Output (AMD High Definition Audio Device)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_1002&DEV_AA01&SUBSYS_00AA0100&REV_1002
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: AtihdW76.sys
Driver Version: 7.12.0000.7723 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 3/1/2016 05:55:36, 104976 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Advanced Micro Devices
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
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Couple of things I'm seeing. You're running win7/64 with only 4 gigs of ram? Gotta fix that first and that's cheaper. The 5700 is definitely on the slow side. I recently upgraded my 6950 to a 1060 and love it. Think it'll be perfect for AH for the foreseeable future running a single monitor @ 1080p. Make sure your PSU is up to the task. The good news there is the 1060 is pretty thrifty on power. My 1000w is kinda overkill now. The i5 should be fine I'd think.
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If I decide to upgrade the video card I'll look into more memory. I put this together in 2010 and at the time 4GB was considered to be plenty. Thanks for the input Drano.
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Oh and upon further review you seem to have 4 audio devices. Disable any that you aren't actually using as that'll be a conflict.
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Good Morning band,
what Drano recommended was spot on, with purchasing a Nvidia GTX 1060 6 GB video card, just be sure to ask for recommendations on/or do thorough research on which models/brands of the GTX 1060 6 GB video card to get.... their are a lot of different brands / models that at face value look like the same thing, but in depth checking of the specs tells a different story, to where one video card might be selling for an example of $198.00 and another one that appears to be the same thing is selling for example: $215.00, but the higher cost is the better buy because of it's features, clock speeds, etc
I checked your MB specs, it appears you have 4 DIMM Slots of the DDR3 variety and your MB will accept up to 16 GB's of System ram
what Brand/Model is your current AMD Radeon HD 5700 Series 2 GB Video Card? if you decide to upgrade your Video card, I might be interested in your 5700 series existing video card, possibly, depending on the model/specs.... I have a 4 DIMM set of Corsair Vengeance 1600 MHz DDR3 ( 4 x 4 GB sticks - low profile heat spreaders - Lifetime warranty), that we could possible swap out in trade if you are interested......
one other thing.... When you are doing a DXDIAG report, you should turn your computer off, then start up your computer, once the computer has started up and you are at your desktop, do not start any programs or get on the internet or anything... after about 10 to 15 minutes of sitting idle right after starting your computer, then initiate the DXDIAG and then save it to text file........ this will give you a more accurate reading of your Computer's page file information ( ie: Page File: 4003MB used, 4177MB available ) <---- a good clean running windows 7 64 bit OS usually should be in the 700 ~ 900 MB used range....
Hope this helps
TC
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Just confirming what has been said. More RAM and a video card should most likely be enough for a huge boost in AH3 performance.
While changing the card, use DDU to get rid of the old drivers: http://www.wagnardsoft.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=772&sid=989c4f17b3005ba5f313ccb006a10aab (http://www.wagnardsoft.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=772&sid=989c4f17b3005ba5f313ccb006a10aab). That will take care of one of the audio devices, too. Also, when installing the new drivers, do a custom install. For AH3 you'd basically need the video driver only, so uncheck the 3D and HD audio etc.
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Ok looks like I will get the gtx 1060 and upgrade my system memory. My video card has 1gb of memory. The rest is shared. Here's what I have now https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16814102868/specs.
If this looks like what you want Tequila I'd be up for a trade.
Thanks to all of you for your advice. I typically don't keep up on this stuff till I build a new system and it's been 7 years so I am behind the curve a bit.
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The link opened on NewEgg main page :headscratch:
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SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 5770 DirectX 11 100283VXL 1GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Never fails works when I try it but not for others.
Here is the card. No link just search for it.
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https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102868&cm_re=SAPPHIRE_Vapor-X_Radeon_HD_5770_DirectX_11_100283VXL_1GB_128-Bit_GDDR5_PCI_Express_2.0_x16_HDCP_Ready_CrossFireX_Support_Video_Card-_-14-102-868-_-Product
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Ok looks like I will get the gtx 1060 and upgrade my system memory. My video card has 1gb of memory. The rest is shared. Here's what I have now https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16814102868/specs.
If this looks like what you want Tequila I'd be up for a trade.
Thanks to all of you for your advice. I typically don't keep up on this stuff till I build a new system and it's been 7 years so I am behind the curve a bit.
sent you a PM
TC
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I'm getting a GTX 750 ti this thursday. My CPU is slower than your i5. I'll post how it goes.
It'll be offline as i haven't activated muy account for online flying. Im mentioning this coz
the 750 ti is cheaper than the 1060 and only requires 60w from the PSU.
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i think you only issue is that chipset may limit you to pcie 2.0 speeds but shouldn't be that big of issue. X58 chipset?
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It's a P55 chipset. From what I've read on the difference in performance between using the pcie 2.0 versus pcie 3.0 the performance loss should be negligible. I did get the 1060 and installed it. It is doing just fine with my system.
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one other thing.... When you are doing a DXDIAG report, you should turn your computer off, then start up your computer, once the computer has started up and you are at your desktop, do not start any programs or get on the internet or anything... after about 10 to 15 minutes of sitting idle right after starting your computer, then initiate the DXDIAG and then save it to text file........ this will give you a more accurate reading of your Computer's page file information ( ie: Page File: 4003MB used, 4177MB available ) <---- a good clean running windows 7 64 bit OS usually should be in the 700 ~ 900 MB used range....
Hope this helps
TC
After reviewing this thread and your DXDIAG report, it looks like the reason for your pagefile MB's used being nearly maxed out with regards to what your windows 7 OS shows pagefile MB's available... is because you are currently only working with 4 GBs of System Memory so your Windows 7 OS matched that and sized your pagefile size to 4177 MBs available....
Once you install more system memory and check your computer to make sure that your system memory is running at the speed you desire ( note: depending on motherboard/bios, you might have XMP speed profiles available to select XMP 1, XMP 2, XMP 3 speed setting profiles.)
Get your system memory set to run at either 1333, 1600, 1866, 2000, 2133 MHz speed ( depending on motherboard, it will default at 1333 or 1600, and should provide you with the options of another 1 to 3 XMP profiles )
After you have set it up to your liking, then do a fresh boot and run the DXDIAG report....
I am thinking that your pagefile used will most likely be a good bit lower, and your pagefile available will be probably around four times the size it currently is showing...
Note: my assumptions are not taking into consideration the size and available free space of the Hard Drive.... I haven't seen any information about your HD ....so I could possibly be wrong in my assumptions
Hope this helps
TC
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Pagefile used/free in Dxdiag reports is always virtual memory (physical ram + emulation via swapfile on HDD/SSD), it doesn't give any information how much of the swapfile is really used.
With 8 Gigs of RAM you'll probably see a pagefile report in the 12-16 Gigs range of which a large part is used.
Without SSD it's like the Superfetch service filling all your RAM with programs it believes they will get used soon.
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Pagefile used/free in Dxdiag reports is always virtual memory (physical ram + emulation via swapfile on HDD/SSD), it doesn't give any information how much of the swapfile is really used.
The DXDIAG report tells how much is used out of the available amount regardless if Windows is managing the pagefile size or a person manually sizes and manage the pagefile
With 8 Gigs of RAM you'll probably see a pagefile report in the 12-16 Gigs range of which a large part is used.
This is not necessarily true, and when trying to diagnose or give advice to someone about either helping them with performance issues or upgrading... you never want to see a Windows OS reporting that it is using a "large part" of the available pagefile right after a fresh boot
Without SSD it's like the Superfetch service filling all your RAM with programs it believes they will get used soon.
SSD's are different, so different that in some cases, one might not even need a pagefile set up...
also, not everyone uses "Superfetch" service....
Hope this helps
TC
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Pagefile used/free in Dxdiag reports is always virtual memory (physical ram + emulation via swapfile on HDD/SSD), it doesn't give any information how much of the swapfile is really used.
With 8 Gigs of RAM you'll probably see a pagefile report in the 12-16 Gigs range of which a large part is used.
Without SSD it's like the Superfetch service filling all your RAM with programs it believes they will get used soon.
If what you are saying were true, then how do you explain my page file used, for my computer?
Memory: 16384MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 16328MB RAM
Page File: 297MB used, 31029MB available
At the same time this was run, the task manager shows physical memory usage as follows:
56MB reserved
1518MB used
439MB standby
14321MB free.
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Win7 x64, no pagefile:
Memory: 16384MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 16382MB RAM
Page File: 3470MB used, 12909MB available
Win7 x64 VM, without and with 512MB swapfile
Memory: 2048MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 2048MB RAM
Page File: 522MB used, 1525MB available
Memory: 2048MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 2048MB RAM
Page File: 579MB used, 1979MB available
All reports made with 64Bit version of dxdiag, it usually matched RAM use values from resource manager (except VM with with pagefile). I have no Win 8.1/10 to test but I doubt they have changed the behaviour of the report.
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You just showed the page file usage to be what is used on the disk, except where you had no on-disk page file. You do realize when you specify no page file on the disk, Windows 7, and later, creates a memory based page file?
The 512MB page file is smaller than the recommended size so Windows, again, will use some memory to (the swap map/virtual map) to free up as much page file as possible.
In none of your examples is the page file size the total system RAM plus the disk page file size. Of course the first example is going to use available system RAM as Windows has no choice as you did not create a disk based page file. Note how that number changes when you do create one.
Were the ones you created managed by Windows are fixed size? That will also impact the amount available.
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Good morning Skuzzy,
Please correct me if I posted any incorrect information in my reply above (Reply# 16 of this thread)...I'd truly appreciate it
To me it seems as if Denniss is using a SSD for his OS drive and set up with his pagefile disabled, I could be wrong with my assumption
Using Virtual Machine (VM) , I don't care to use VM/OS data for comparison purposes for I think it is to easy to manipulate, being able to set the parameters of the VM to one's liking
Roy, you've really got your system super tuned it seems, very impressive 297 MB used .... I haven't been able to get a Windows 7 64bit OS under around 460/455 MB's used...
Cheers
TC
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You pretty much got it.
As far as my low page file usage, that was after a recent boot. The thing about my system is I have absolutely nothing starting to boot time, and many of the remaining services are set to run manually, rather than automatically.
It all helps make it boot quicker without impacting any run times for applications.