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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: tuba515 on March 21, 2017, 04:44:25 PM
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I have been asking for a long time, but we need the PBY! It was pivotal throughout WW2. In game I could carry something like: sups , field sups, or 5 troops in the inside. and wing bombs or torps (4 1000lbs or 8 500lbs or 2 torps ) like in real life ( it could cary 4000lbs of ords safely ). It would be a work horse in Sea or coastal operations.
General characteristics
Crew: 10 — pilot, co-pilot, bow turret gunner, flight engineer, radio operator, navigator, radar operator, two waist gunners, ventral gunner
Length: 63 ft 10 7/16 in (19.46 m)
Wingspan: 104 ft 0 in (31.70 m)
Height: 21 ft 1 in (6.15 m)
Wing area: 1,400 ft² (130 m²)
Empty weight: 20,910 lb (9,485 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 35,420 lb (16,066 kg)
Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0309
Drag area: 43.26 ft² (4.02 m²)
Aspect ratio: 7.73
Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney R-1830-92 Twin Wasp radial engines, 1,200 hp (895 kW each) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 196 mph (314 km/h)
Cruise speed: 125 mph (201 km/h)
Range: 2,520 mi (4,030 km)
Service ceiling: 15,800 ft (4,000 m)
Rate of climb: 1,000 ft/min (5.1 m/s)
Wing loading: 25.3 lb/ft² (123.6 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.034 hp/lb (0.056 kW/kg)
Lift-to-drag ratio: 11.9
Armament
3 .30 cal (7.62 mm) machine guns (two in nose turret, one in ventral hatch at tail)
2 .50 cal (12.7 mm) machine guns (one in each waist blister)
4,000 lb (1,814 kg) of bombs or depth charges; torpedo racks were also available
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the reason I say 5 troops is to make it more realistic (it wasnt a large troop carrier , just mainly faired troops to islands)
Also If we do Battle of Britain we could finaly have PBYs operating as pbys haha (instead of c47s in place of pbys as in past scenarios (alot less defenses haha) )
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Single plane non-formation like a goon *
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It can pick up downed pilots for lots of perk points.
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It can pick up downed pilots for lots of perk points.
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:aok ^^ this. Black Cats come to mind. Had a similar idea ping ponging when I learned pilots lived after the bail. Brings another option to Storchs and if a Piper ever made it in.
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you get perks for resupping players why not get them for retrieving bailed pilots in jeeps, storches, cubs, PTs or PBYs. theres a 3 meter area around the vehicle to retrieve the pilot.
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:aok
+1
heck yeah!
:rock
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you get perks for resupping players why not get them for retrieving bailed pilots in jeeps, storches, cubs, PTs or PBYs. theres a 3 meter area around the vehicle to retrieve the pilot.
GVs should be able to pick up downed pilots as well! Downed pilots should have mirrors to signal, or pop be able to pop smoke.
-Mutha
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you get perks for resupping players
You do?
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You do?
That would be new to me as well. :headscratch:
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+1 to the PBY
-1 to picking up downed pilots. The last thing we need is 10 guys per side waiting to be picked up by 10 more guys per side in PBYs. That would be 60 people out of the fight.
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Pilot thing or not , this plane would be amazing to have and used.
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(http://300px-PBY-6A_BuAer_3_side_view.jpg)
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[youtube][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAVHHHDzhMc/youtube]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAVHHHDzhMc
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Picking up downed pilots would be so awesome.
Also having observers to call out locations of enemy task forces at long range.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShWtHJDVCb0
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PBY is on of those planes whose actual contribution to (winning) the war far exceeds the credit they got for it.
However, I doubt it would contribute much to arena gameplay and its use in scenarios is limited - both in the number of scenarios (naval action is not common), and the number of PBYs that will participate.
I'd love to have it, but it is not the best choice for the next plane to add.
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PBY is on of those planes whose actual contribution to (winning) the war far exceeds the credit they got for it.
However, I doubt it would contribute much to arena gameplay and its use in scenarios is limited - both in the number of scenarios (naval action is not common), and the number of PBYs that will participate.
I'd love to have it, but it is not the best choice for the next plane to add.
This...
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OK, here's a totally nuts, half-baked idea, so it should fit in perfectly on these boards :-)
What if the PBY were indeed flyable, but it also flew as a bots? The bots would do two things: reveal enemy location in a sector (like dar), and automatically land to rescue downed flyers.
The bot PBYs can be shot down, which causes loss of enemy location (like taking out dar). People would fly cover for the bot PBYs.
Mutha
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OK, here's a totally nuts, half-baked idea, so it should fit in perfectly on these boards :-)
What if the PBY were indeed flyable, but it also flew as a bots? The bots would do two things: reveal enemy location in a sector (like dar), and automatically land to rescue downed flyers.
The bot PBYs can be shot down, which causes loss of enemy location (like taking out dar). People would fly cover for the bot PBYs.
Mutha
-1. Making this more complicated than what it is.
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-1. Making this more complicated than what it is.
Nobody resists change better than you, bow! :grin:
-Mutha
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OK, here's a totally nuts, half-baked idea, so it should fit in perfectly on these boards :-)
What if the PBY were indeed flyable, but it also flew as a bots? The bots would do two things: reveal enemy location in a sector (like dar), and automatically land to rescue downed flyers.
The bot PBYs can be shot down, which causes loss of enemy location (like taking out dar). People would fly cover for the bot PBYs.
Mutha
That would be fun!
I think PBYs would be good for finding CVs. Give them extended range "eyes" so we can find the enemy fleet and sink them like we did at MIDWAY! :rofl
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Nobody resists change better than you, bow! :grin:
-Mutha
I'm all for change. However, I'm not for something that will make it more complicated for new people, and I'm not for AI in the Main Arena.
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That would be fun!
I think PBYs would be good for finding CVs. Give them extended range "eyes" so we can find the enemy fleet and sink them like we did at MIDWAY! :rofl
STRAWBERRY 5!
-Mutha
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+1 whilst there is an urgent need for an RAF jet fighter i would like to see the pby in and around ports.
special ability to mark nme cv on map when in visual range of the ship.
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Why do we need to make CVs easier to spot? Its not as though they last long after they begin to get used. TBH I can't see that many players would sit bobbing around in the ocean waiting for someone to pick them up and then wait yet more time while their rescuer's plane returns to base before getting to fly again. Its the sort of thing that would get used a few times for its novelty and then forgotten about.
The only real advantage a flying boat would have over a land plane in the MA would be if it were given the ability to launch from ports, coastal V bases, or for the A6M2-N from fleets after the CV is down. Given the constricted airspace of the MA though, its still hard to see why anyone would choose one over a better performing land or carrier-based alternative. The exception might be the H8K Emily which had both respectable performance and a good defensive armament compared to many land based bombers.
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STRAWBERRY 5!
-Mutha
Dee dee dee dot dot dee dee dee dot dee!
"Lt. Addy! They're behind us. I can see twoooooo carriers and a battleship."
"SEND IT!"
:)
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Why do we need to make CVs easier to spot? Its not as though they last long after they begin to get used. TBH I can't see that many players would sit bobbing around in the ocean waiting for someone to pick them up and then wait yet more time while their rescuer's plane returns to base before getting to fly again. Its the sort of thing that would get used a few times for its novelty and then forgotten about.
The only real advantage a flying boat would have over a land plane in the MA would be if it were given the ability to launch from ports, coastal V bases, or for the A6M2-N from fleets after the CV is down. Given the constricted airspace of the MA though, its still hard to see why anyone would choose one over a better performing land or carrier-based alternative. The exception might be the H8K Emily which had both respectable performance and a good defensive armament compared to many land based bombers.
Very good point. The PBY's role was recon, dumbos and anti-sub warfare. It's huge advantage was it could stay airborne for long periods of time. We don't have subs, and flying recon for hours sounds pretty dull. The tension of picking up a downed pilot would be fun, but, yeah, only a few folks would do it.
So if it's not fun to simulate what it does best, what would it be fun to do? Tuba's idea of carrying troops is intriguing!
Mutha
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special ability to mark nme cv on map when in visual range of the ship.
USAAF bombers like the B-17, B-26 and B-24 should get the same ability then since they were used extensively in the anti-maritime/scout role. Up until 1943, the anti-maritime role was primarily a USAAF responsibility.
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The PBY would be one of those additions like the P-47M and storch where Hitech tells Waffle to do it, and it shows up in a patch along side of something really sexy. In the MA they would be free kills for guys on their first day in the game. But, a small number of dedicated guys would find ways to be successful with them. For scenarios, they would still be free scooby snacks for fighters and even some bombers. And take forever to get anywhere. But, some one would still volunteer.
As for useful in the MA's kind of game play, the FW 189, J3 Cub, Po-2 and Lysander would be more useful supporting tanks against tanks.
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again this is not a console game, I don't think they can do this picking up a pilot thing--besides it's hard to get people to resupply a town what makes you think they gonna pickup a pilot-the sharks will get him first, lol
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Why do we need to make CVs easier to spot? Its not as though they last long after they begin to get used. TBH I can't see that many players would sit bobbing around in the ocean waiting for someone to pick them up and then wait yet more time while their rescuer's plane returns to base before getting to fly again. Its the sort of thing that would get used a few times for its novelty and then forgotten about.
The only real advantage a flying boat would have over a land plane in the MA would be if it were given the ability to launch from ports, coastal V bases, or for the A6M2-N from fleets after the CV is down. Given the constricted airspace of the MA though, its still hard to see why anyone would choose one over a better performing land or carrier-based alternative. The exception might be the H8K Emily which had both respectable performance and a good defensive armament compared to many land based bombers.
+1
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P47-m and the storch were needed. the PBY or any plane similar are not needed. we already have bombers that drop torpedoes and bombers-the PBY would be the King of the hanger Queens, would be more clutter in the Hanger. it's simply not needed.
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I would fly it.
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after a month the newness will wear off, the countless deaths in it. it will become a hanger queen
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If it makes historical sense that it could carry some troops people would definitely use it. I'd pick a PBY over an LVT any day of the week. Not sure that makes sense for it to carry troops though.
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I can't argue for or against its popularity but my guess is is that it would be well-loved by a small group of jocks.
It will have the ability to be parked on the water, which not other plane can do. Will this feature open up the game in any way?
Mutha
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the PBY is not needed ..
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I can't argue for or against its popularity but my guess is is that it would be well-loved by a small group of jocks.
It will have the ability to be parked on the water, which not other plane can do. Will this feature open up the game in any way?
Mutha
Can you imagine an Air Sea Rescue PBY hiding offshore to pick up downed pilots? I would be all over that.
"Vraciu rescued five airmen in a PBY-5A."
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I can imagine someone wanting to pick up downed players in a PBY I just can't imagine anyone waiting around in the water to be picked up and flown home.
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I can imagine someone wanting to pick up downed players in a PBY I just can't imagine anyone waiting around in the water to be picked up and flown home.
There'd have to be a reason for being picked up, such as keeping a perk plane, or points.
I'd wait in the water, or on land. Heck, I'd even swim/walk, but I'm the kind of guy who quits the camp when I get killed.
Mutha
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There'd have to be a reason for being picked up, such as keeping a perk plane, or points.
I'd wait in the water, or on land. Heck, I'd even swim/walk, but I'm the kind of guy who quits the camp when I get killed.
Mutha
Any reward that made it worth waiting for a PBY, or any other rescue, would be bad for the game. The whole time you are waiting you are not participating in the fighting, and for the most part your rescuer is also not participating in the fighting. There are too few in the game as it is, nothing should be done to encourage players to self remove from the game.
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Any reward that made it worth waiting for a PBY, or any other rescue, would be bad for the game. The whole time you are waiting you are not participating in the fighting, and for the most part your rescuer is also not participating in the fighting. There are too few in the game as it is, nothing should be done to encourage players to self remove from the game.
Normally I'd agree with you, but I think that in this case it could actually add to the excitement of the game. If a PBY were going in to pick up a downed pilot, and in doing so, something great would happen for the rescued side, the enemy would be hell bent on blasting the PBY, so the PBY would need high cover. It would be pretty exciting!
I just don't know what that "something great" would be if the PBY recovers the pilot.
Also, if that "something great" thing is so great it would cause dozens of downed pilots to choose bobbing around in the water to reupping, that would ruin the game.
Mutha
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This is like women buying jewelry. Any new jewelry is always a good idea even if it is worn once and lives the rest of it's days in a jewelry box. Very few will fly very far to pick someone up and very few will wait to be picked up over that time period because they will be wasting their precious play time. More will try to use it's weapons capabilities to achieve their name in the text buffer.
This is the kind of ride that shows up one day with a new patch for good or bad.
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I would like to take off and land on water. Please HTC make it happen! :airplane:
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I would like to take off and land on water. Please HTC make it happen! :airplane:
I land in the water all the time. Often without wings and burning.
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I can imagine someone wanting to pick up downed players in a PBY I just can't imagine anyone waiting around in the water to be picked up and flown home.
+1
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now after saying no to the pby.
what would be useful would be a seafire to launch off the rails of the Battleship for ship defense. esp when the cv goes down.
because I found out yesterday that the 16" gun turrets are easily destroyed.
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There are toys that get added to this game we only know about when we read the release notes after the install is completed. A PBY or a catapult Hurri falls into that category. Who knows if it will ever happen....and no one knows it won't.
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I think with the addition of BB this would be perfect!
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PBY +1, great bird
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+1 for PBY, but then, I say +1 to just about anything new added to the game (Ewwww...shiny new thing!). As an add-on to ports, I believe it would see some regular use, even today. Having said this, I think it can wait until submarines are added to the game. I'd give it a special ability to spot submarines at a greater altitude/distance than other A/C (Doesn't the Storch "sees" GVs at a greater distance than other A/C?); and it would have depth-charges, which most other AH aircraft can't carry/deploy. Adding the ability to carry troops would further enhance it's appeal in the MA (and it was armed for self-defense, giving it an edge on the C-47), and of course, it would fit well in numerous scenarios. Many of our A/C are primarily there for scenarios (how often to do you see someone (other than me) in an I-16 in the MA?), but the features I mention above would give it practical utility in the MA, as well.
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I can imagine someone wanting to pick up downed players in a PBY I just can't imagine anyone waiting around in the water to be picked up and flown home.
Good point, but perhaps it could be coded so that all the PBY pilot needs to do is land near you, and accept your ".pickmeup" request. Once the downed pilot is aboard, they could have the option of riding along, manning a gun, or ending their flight (the PBY continues on).
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+1 for PBY, but then, I say +1 to just about anything new added to the game (Ewwww...shiny new thing!). As an add-on to ports, I believe it would see some regular use, even today. Having said this, I think it can wait until submarines are added to the game. I'd give it a special ability to spot submarines at a greater altitude/distance than other A/C (Doesn't the Storch "sees" GVs at a greater distance than other A/C?); and it would have depth-charges, which most other AH aircraft can't carry/deploy. Adding the ability to carry troops would further enhance it's appeal in the MA (and it was armed for self-defense, giving it an edge on the C-47), and of course, it would fit well in numerous scenarios. Many of our A/C are primarily there for scenarios (how often to do you see someone (other than me) in an I-16 in the MA?), but the features I mention above would give it practical utility in the MA, as well.
ive seen schwarms of I-16s its usually a really fun furball when it happens too