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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Popeye44 on June 29, 2017, 01:09:39 PM
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I know this subject has been discussed repeatedly, but I've finally had enough of it to finally say something.
I've been playing now for 4-5 years as a Bishop. Currently the Bishops have more players so the ENY kicks in.
Because this almost every time I log on I'm forced to use planes and tanks I don't what to use, nor should any player in any other country.
And please don't suggest I switch sides. I know some guys do, but there is no way I'd shoot down guys I just flew with..."Band of Brothers."
And also do not suggest I learn to fly high ENY planes...I don't want too!
I pay a monthly fee to play AH, which in my mind, means I should be able to fly or drive anything I want at any time?
Not fun, nor right, for me to constantly fight say fight Tiger's with high ENY tanks, or defend a base in a Brewster while they're flying 262's.
Additional thought. New guy is thinking about joining AH, his favorite chess piece is a Knight, and he wants to fly P-51's. But he logs on the Rooks & Bishops have a few more players and he can not fly his preferred aircraft? You think he's going to start an account where his options in choices are limited?
I'll deal with it for a few more months, but if it does not change I will cancel my account.
I know it's only $15, but I'm guessing I'm not the only player who is about to quit, or has already pulled the plug over the ENY issue, which is one I perceive as ill-advised if you want to retain the few accounts you have.
V/R
Commander USN-Ret
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I considered it.
I'm not going to lie.
In fact, the only reason I didn't is because Skuzzy and Hitech have shown so much class in helping me with my skinning of late. I figured a bit of loyalty is warranted in return.
But, yeah, after not playing for two weeks, the first time I logged in the ENY monster was roaring. I was pretty ticked off.
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It doesnt work in a three country environment... i bet it would with two though. :cheers:
Doesnt bother me personally.. but i see it ticks a lot of other folks off.
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:rolleyes:
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ENY is as fun as being steamrolled by the country that enjoy double numbers... keeping the low-ENY for the side with 1.5-2X planes would make any defense futile.
A proposal I can I agree with though : ENY should connected to numbers of the front-line ie. Bish-Rook, Bish-Knight, Knight-Rook, not the whole map.
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It doesnt work in a three country environment... i bet it would with two though. :cheers:
Hey guys, it's me, Nugetx, you know what I will say :D ...... but I will not say it :D
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I know this subject has been discussed repeatedly, but I've finally had enough of it to finally say something.
I've been playing now for 4-5 years as a Bishop. Currently the Bishops have more players so the ENY kicks in.
Because this almost every time I log on I'm forced to use planes and tanks I don't what to use, nor should any player in any other country.
And please don't suggest I switch sides. I know some guys do, but there is no way I'd shoot down guys I just flew with..."Band of Brothers."
And also do not suggest I learn to fly high ENY planes...I don't want too!
I pay a monthly fee to play AH, which in my mind, means I should be able to fly or drive anything I want at any time?
Not fun, nor right, for me to constantly fight say fight Tiger's with high ENY tanks, or defend a base in a Brewster while they're flying 262's.
Additional thought. New guy is thinking about joining AH, his favorite chess piece is a Knight, and he wants to fly P-51's. But he logs on the Rooks & Bishops have a few more players and he can not fly his preferred aircraft? You think he's going to start an account where his options in choices are limited?
I'll deal with it for a few more months, but if it does not change I will cancel my account.
I know it's only $15, but I'm guessing I'm not the only player who is about to quit, or has already pulled the plug over the ENY issue, which is one I perceive as ill-advised if you want to retain the few accounts you have.
V/R
Commander USN-Ret
Instead of just complaining about it, suggest a solution to even up the problems an unbalanced numerical advantage can be compensated for.
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I know this subject has been discussed repeatedly, but I've finally had enough of it to finally say something.
I've been playing now for 4-5 years as a Bishop. Currently the Bishops have more players so the ENY kicks in.
Because this almost every time I log on I'm forced to use planes and tanks I don't what to use, nor should any player in any other country.
And please don't suggest I switch sides. I know some guys do, but there is no way I'd shoot down guys I just flew with..."Band of Brothers."
And also do not suggest I learn to fly high ENY planes...I don't want too!
I pay a monthly fee to play AH, which in my mind, means I should be able to fly or drive anything I want at any time?
I'm sorry that you are flying on the country with the most people most of the time. if you really want to low ENY planes the ability to do so is in your hands, but you choose not to do it. the ability to fly a plane is in your hands but you choose not to do so because you want to fly low ENY planes.
We all pay the 15 bucks a month so we can play the game, but by the rules and those rules include ENY. I pay 15 bucks a month but I don't get to fly the ME262 any time I want, so I choose a different plane. Sometimes I switch sides when Knights have too many. I just make sure I do not immediately engage the Knights when I switch from them, there is always that third country to fight.
Not fun, nor right, for me to constantly fight say fight Tiger's with high ENY tanks, or defend a base in a Brewster while they're flying 262's.
Additional thought. New guy is thinking about joining AH, his favorite chess piece is a Knight, and he wants to fly P-51's. But he logs on the Rooks & Bishops have a few more players and he can not fly his preferred aircraft? You think he's going to start an account where his options in choices are limited?
A new guy that is "thinking" about playing Aces High is going to switch because he has no country loyalty. These aren't real countries you know and mean nothing to new players.
I'll deal with it for a few more months, but if it does not change I will cancel my account.
I for one certainly don't want you to quit but I think ENY is neccessary and adds to the gameplay by putting in some fairness when one country outnumbers another.
I know it's only $15, but I'm guessing I'm not the only player who is about to quit, or has already pulled the plug over the ENY issue, which is one I perceive as ill-advised if you want to retain the few accounts you have.
V/R
Commander USN-Ret
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I will never have any sympathy for someone who insists on flying for the side with the most people, you want to club baby seals, and you want t huge spike club with which to do it, no matter how much of an advantage you have. There's a name for people who think like that.....
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I will never have any sympathy for someone who insists on flying for the side with the most people, you want to club baby seals, and you want t huge spike club with which to do it, no matter how much of an advantage you have. There's a name for people who think like that.....
Still waiting :devil Whats the name :pray Eskimo :devil You snake in the grass :x
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I am sympathetic but I'm sorry sometimes you just can't have everything you want.
I want to:
Dogfight like Joaquim
Bomb like Havermeyr
Plan like Dantoo
Inspire like Stampf
Fight with dogged determination like Wiley
and code like HiTech
Not going to happen so I'll just muddle along with my very limited skillset and have fun anyway.
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I will never have any sympathy for someone who insists on flying for the side with the most people, you want to club baby seals, and you want t huge spike club with which to do it, no matter how much of an advantage you have. There's a name for people who think like that.....
Nonsense.
ENY kills fights. Many times I have been the outnumbered side doing a rolling base defense only to have ENY kick in and cause my opponents to log off. Yay. Exciting.
Being outnumbered means more targets. I don't need a crutch, particularly as ENY is presently implemented.
OTOH it screws me over to the point of frustration as expressed by the OP.
As currently coded, ENY = PITA all around.
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Be careful what you wish for. Getting rid of ENY would mean that we need another balancing system, and that sould probably be that you get assigned to the side w lowest number when you log in, without being able to switch..
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Be careful what you wish for. Getting rid of ENY would mean that we need another balancing system, and that sould probably be that you get assigned to the side w lowest number when you log in, without being able to switch..
Make ENY localized. Or make it frontal-based. Something. Anything.
Getting rid of the side switch time limit--or dropping it to half half an hour--is worth a try.
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ENY does not bother me. If HTC decides to get rid of ENY then add perk to planes like P51d, la7, 190d9, p47m, spit16....I think this is a great thing to do. Perk em and fly em all you want. I think that is fair enough.
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Ppl logging off when they outnumber the enemy is not what I see, I see ppl logging off because they can't win a dogfight in either a P51D or La 7 against a bunch of FM2's or LA5's (because as soon as they engage they are outnumbered 4-1). You think you're frustrated if you can't fly a P51? Wait until you can't protect a base WITH one.
Flying high ENY planes make anyone that does so a better pilot. So have the patience to be shot down in a POS but learn the weakness and strengths of that fighter. Once you have, fly even a P40F or I16 to success (as I have done many times). Is it easier and less frustrating to pwn your enemy with a P51? Sure, but it doesn't even compare to the satisfaction (and trash talking opportunity) you have when you shoot down a P51D in a P40F or I16.
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ENY does not bother me. If HTC decides to get rid of ENY then add perk to planes like P51d, la7, 190d9, p47m, spit16....I think this is a great thing to do. Perk em and fly em all you want. I think that is fair enough.
OMG, I like Rud3's thinking? Instead of ENY blocking planes, add a perk. Bigger the ENY, bigger the perk.
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I enjoy blasting your twinky 5 ENY planes out of the sky with my 30-40 ENY planes and listen to people complain about hacks and rage PM about being a big meanie.
:cheers:
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ENY does not bother me. If HTC decides to get rid of ENY then add perk to planes like P51d, la7, 190d9, p47m, spit16....I think this is a great thing to do. Perk em and fly em all you want. I think that is fair enough.
Do that and I will definitely leave. But...if ENY hits I wouldn't mind being able to use perks to fly them.
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Do that and I will definitely leave.
Vraciu, weren't you for this idea some time ago? :rolleyes:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,387412.0.html
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Vraciu, weren't you for this idea some time ago? :rolleyes:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,387412.0.html
Not for perking 51s...
I am for allowing perks to be spent on a 51 when it gets ENY'ed.
I am also for ENY pushing bases where one can roll further back from the front (and/or reducing/eliminating JABO ords available) vs blocking the airplane outright.
ENY with the current sideswitch timer does NOT encourage side balancing. It encourages logging off. Counterproductive, IMO.
More carrot, less stick, please.
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ENY with the current sideswitch timer does NOT encourage side balancing. It encourages logging off. Counterproductive, IMO.
Then ENY for sides has to go.
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Then ENY for sides has to go.
As currently implemented I can't disagree.
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Well if ENY system were to change I wouldn't mind seeing an increase in perks for low ENY planes.
I'm against any change before going to steam however (if we go) as the problem as I see it is declining numbers leading to an arena mismatch. Once the numbers jump back up this problem should fix itself.
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Well if ENY system were to change I wouldn't mind seeing an increase in perks for low ENY planes.
I'm against any change before going to steam however (if we go) as the problem as I see it is declining numbers leading to a arena mismatch. Once the numbers jump back up this problem should fix itself.
Agreed.
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I've seen it all now,
I didn't want to say anything but I just wanted to thank HTC for the ENY system.
Today like many other days bish 23 players knight 9 rooks 11. They had enough guys to have 5 in the air and 5 on the ground versus 2 maybe 3 defenders tops.
I didn't feel sorry for j0ker having to fly a p38G and getting owned.
I didn't feel sorry for judge having to fly a 109G14 and not being able to run away when bested.
I was ashamed when my base fell to a swarm of jeeps and had to log off for a lie down.
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Now that I think about it, going to a using perks instead of ENY is pointless, everyone has thousands of fighter perks or more by now so there in effect would be NO balancing.
In effect old timers would get to pwn the newbies and the talented alike and at 4-1 odds, and there has been WAY TOO MUCH favoritism to the old timers at the expense of new blood already.
I'm going to have to say I rather just keep the current system. Grow up and fly your La5's
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I'm going to have to say I rather just keep the current system. Grow up and fly your La5's
:aok
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everyone has thousands of fighter perks or more by now so there in effect would be NO balancing.
And everyone has thousands of them because there is no use for them,,,,, so just reset them. If there is no use for them, no one will miss them.
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And everyone has thousands of them because there is no use for them,,,,, so just reset them. If there is no use for them, no one will miss them.
Negative. It's not everyone's fault others don't use theirs. I worked to get my perks to a comfortable level and use them when I wish.
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When the Knights seemed to have big numbers a while back my whole squad switched sides. Now we have plenty of targets and few eny issues. You guys that always complain about eny baffle me. Take your whole crew to the other side and stop crying or learn to fly planes that require a little more creativity.
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There is and always was a simple remedy for the ENY problem, change countries. If you or your "Band of Brothers" can't play a friendly game with you on the other side then you and your "Band" are in preschool.
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The side that outnumbers everyone should also get a 20k airstart, so they can have every single advantage.
It's only fair.
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ENY is not going to change anytime soon...as HiTech put it in another thread to me and others:
"Name one creative thought in this thread please. Because ideas posted has been posted many times in the last 10 years.
HiTech"
:bhead
On a side note...I completely agree that ENY sucks...I pay my money to fly with the country I choose and should not be forced to fly for another country just to fly a better airplane...
There have been many good ideas posted both here and in other threads yet those ideas will not be implemented which is sad and unfortunate because HiTech has indicated they have either been tried or he doesn't consider them worthwhile changing. ENY works right now even with almost everyone's frustration level at an all time high and will not be changed because someone will always try to find new loopholes to circumvent the system.
So...join the rest of us who are pissed off and come to the realization this is the way it's going to be.
Cheers,
Elec1
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Now that I think about it, going to a using perks instead of ENY is pointless, everyone has thousands of fighter perks or more by now so there in effect would be NO balancing.
In effect old timers would get to pwn the newbies and the talented alike and at 4-1 odds, and there has been WAY TOO MUCH favoritism to the old timers at the expense of new blood already.
I'm going to have to say I rather just keep the current system. Grow up and fly your La5's
I'd rather log off than fly any La.
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There is and always was a simple remedy for the ENY problem, change countries. If you or your "Band of Brothers" can't play a friendly game with you on the other side then you and your "Band" are in preschool.
You just don't get it, do you?
:bhead
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See Rule #4
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Been playing AH from day "1"....
I have never had a issue with ENY... the system works. And in my WB days I liked "Rolling Plane Set" too .... Call me odd.
Even if the Bish don't have ENY you will find me a few times a night in P-40's, BF-109E's etc. etc.
CAVALRY
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No they don't, in my years in AW I was Bz from the day I walked in the door in RR till the day they closed the door on FR, I looked forward every day I played to the us vs them conflict we had to win, I might have played with sticks and clubs and piper cubs as long as we won, maybe that's really where AH changed, the teeth grinding, were going beat those guys tonight. Watered down to lets play over here for awhile ok now lets play over there for awhile
PS the numbers on each side came and went and averaged out over the long haul, sometimes we clubbed sometimes we got clubbed, never stopped me from trying
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I have never had a issue with ENY... the system works. And in my WB days I liked "Rolling Plane Set" too .... Call me odd.
+1 for rps
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RPS is the best thing ever, i can't understand why it's not here.
Cause it's not the best thing for a sandbox arena.
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Cause it's not the best thing for a sandbox arena.
We are going circles in here :D
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,387548.0.html
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We are going circles in here :D
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,387548.0.html
:bolt:
Only because you wont accept any answer but your own. There are numerous answers to what you have wished, but you don't choose to accept it.
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Only because you wont accept any answer but your own.
I could say the same
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I could say the same
But our answers have been proven correct over the years.
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I could say the same
You have yet to provide a valid reason or data that shows that a RPS system would encourage more people to play the game versus the current setup of the Melee Area or other arenas. Many people have brought up reasons, but your still drinking that kool-aid. But, all this is for another thread.
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Make P-51 only arena, problem solved.
Leave eny in the ma but add free virtual tissues.
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I agree with fork, as I have said in other threads the horde thing is killing the game play. its to the point I am considering not renewing my acct. every morning about 9-10 am I log in to a rolling horde of bish. there is no way for an avg to sub avg player to defend against 4-5 planes booming and zooming while three gvs are destroying the town with there rocket tanks and there is a constant highway of events to the knight and rooks strats.
much like popeye don't want to pay to fly planes he don't like I am tired of logging in to be owned by a horde of picking and vulching bish every morning. I cant say I feel bad for anyone that has 2-3x the people on not being able to up a tiger2 against an already struggling group, or judge in his 190d that does nothing put vulch and pick. then its even better when we are out numbered and guys go to the higher numbered side and then asked why the reply is "it is funner over here lol".
I think the eny should be doubled in those cases as well as the hardness of the cities and strat follow eny. like bruv said it sucks to loose a base to a swarm of jeeps after you have defended for an hour
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ENY isnt that big of a deal. If you want a P51 fly the P51B. If you want a Spit 16, fly a Spit 8. If you want to fly a N1k fly a Hurri2C. LA7? Use the 5. Theres almost always a slightly less well performing but similar optiob available. It just helps even the fight when your country has excessive numbers.
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this is popeye we are talking about though atlau he doesn't get a chance to get out of his M3 much therefore is reluctant to learn to fight with any aircraft let alone 30+ eny.
The mossie is your friend :aok
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I agree with fork, as I have said in other threads the horde thing is killing the game play. its to the point I am considering not renewing my acct. every morning about 9-10 am I log in to a rolling horde of bish. there is no way for an avg to sub avg player to defend against 4-5 planes booming and zooming while three gvs are destroying the town with there rocket tanks and there is a constant highway of events to the knight and rooks strats.
much like popeye don't want to pay to fly planes he don't like I am tired of logging in to be owned by a horde of picking and vulching bish every morning. I cant say I feel bad for anyone that has 2-3x the people on not being able to up a tiger2 against an already struggling group, or judge in his 190d that does nothing put vulch and pick. then its even better when we are out numbered and guys go to the higher numbered side and then asked why the reply is "it is funner over here lol".
I think the eny should be doubled in those cases as well as the hardness of the cities and strat follow eny. like bruv said it sucks to loose a base to a swarm of jeeps after you have defended for an hour
I play during these conditions too. Maybe it is the way you look at it, your attitude. My attitude is I probably am not going to stop them from taking a base, but I am going to defend that base. I'm going to kill them one at a time. I'm not going to get them all. Then they take the base and switch to another base to take, and i do the same thing again, joyfully, giggling.
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this is popeye we are talking about though atlau he doesn't get a chance to get out of his M3 much therefore is reluctant to learn to fight with any aircraft let alone 30+ eny.
The mossie is your friend :aok
M3 ahould have a 5 eny. Make them use jeeps!
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I know this subject has been discussed repeatedly, but I've finally had enough of it to finally say something.
I've been playing now for 4-5 years as a Bishop. Currently the Bishops have more players so the ENY kicks in.
Because this almost every time I log on I'm forced to use planes and tanks I don't what to use, nor should any player in any other country.
And please don't suggest I switch sides. I know some guys do, but there is no way I'd shoot down guys I just flew with..."Band of Brothers."
And also do not suggest I learn to fly high ENY planes...I don't want too!
I pay a monthly fee to play AH, which in my mind, means I should be able to fly or drive anything I want at any time?
Not fun, nor right, for me to constantly fight say fight Tiger's with high ENY tanks, or defend a base in a Brewster while they're flying 262's.
Additional thought. New guy is thinking about joining AH, his favorite chess piece is a Knight, and he wants to fly P-51's. But he logs on the Rooks & Bishops have a few more players and he can not fly his preferred aircraft? You think he's going to start an account where his options in choices are limited?
I'll deal with it for a few more months, but if it does not change I will cancel my account.
I know it's only $15, but I'm guessing I'm not the only player who is about to quit, or has already pulled the plug over the ENY issue, which is one I perceive as ill-advised if you want to retain the few accounts you have.
V/R
Commander USN-Ret
OMG...........This new guy must fly his favorite ride on a county that isn't troubled with ENY........Problem solved
"V/R Commander USN-Ret "........wow take your ball and go home...really quitting....never knew a Commander in any branch of service I have know with that attitude. The Bishops have dominated AH III and you want to abolish the ENY, then tell your folks to log and even the sides up..........or do away with the perks awarded for the map win and that will really even up the game play as you'll earn your perks on your combat skills. As long as the Bish have a 92% win rate on the current maps.....deal with the ENY like a grown up. Your domination of the game is leaving a bad taste in a lot of folks mouth, and has contributed to a lot of players throwing in the towel ...and you have the gall to say do away with ENY, next thing your going to want are perks just for showing up. The game has some real flaws, but ENY is not one of them. If you haven't noticed AH III is a much harder game...............for everyone, and not just you.
Retired AT&T 42.5 years and a Proud IBEW member
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M3 ahould have a 5 eny. Make them use jeeps!
Hey...........can't wait until you have to re-sup your strats with Jeeps.........I'd pay to see that. Careful what you wish for
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No I get it all right, a bunch of whiners don't give a darn about what losing play balance does to a game (it kills it)....
They just want to join up with their buddies and count coup on someone else the entire day...
NO ONE wants to log in and face unequal odds (to be your B!@&ch all day) just so you and your 4 best friends can delude yourselves into thinking you're actually good gamers (not to mention good pilots).
Grow up, take the remedies offered (change sides, fly another plane) and stop being a bunch of old loser farts who can't stand change or competition.
It's not your place that you should decide at the expense of everyone else what should be done. Whining about how you pay your money doesn't mean I should pay mine to be your B%$#ch. Your kind of crotchety old fool attitudes have gone a LONG way to killing this game.
Nonsense. People want to switch for balance but get screwed by the six-hour rule.
WE NEVER had balance problem in WB with two sides. People switched for balance ALL THE TIME
ENY primarily balances sides by causing log offs. Real productive.
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ENY isnt that big of a deal. If you want a P51 fly the P51B. If you want a Spit 16, fly a Spit 8. If you want to fly a N1k fly a Hurri2C. LA7? Use the 5. Theres almost always a slightly less well performing but similar optiob available. It just helps even the fight when your country has excessive numbers.
I don't like the 51B.
51D the most overrated ENY in the game. It's fast. That's about it.
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Havent flown in a month. But last tour i did i flew the 51b. Very underrated plane. Flying it will improve your aim.
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I don't like the 51B
51D the most overrated ENY in the game. It's fast. That's about it.
I agree!! It should be 3 ENY! :D
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I don't like the 51B
51D the most overrated ENY in the game. It's fast. That's about it.
There's a lot more to the 51D than just speed
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I agree!! It should be 30 ENY! :D
FIFY.
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Let me just say what Hitech is thinking and save everyone the trouble.
"Not a single creative idea has been expressed in this discussion so far."
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And everyone has thousands of them because there is no use for them,,,,, so just reset them. If there is no use for them, no one will miss them.
Ahhh.....shhhh you don't play remember
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Let me just say what Hitech is thinking and save everyone the trouble.
"Not a single creative idea has been expressed in this discussion so far."
:rofl
Ahhh.....shhhh you don't play remember
He's not alone.
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Why not the P51B ?
What do need from the P51D you cannot be without ?
I normally fly outnumbered in Eny 20-30 plane-types trying to survive by flying smart, with squaddies to increase survivability.
A P51B is faster than any of them, can out-turn then all (with correct speed), and keep energy in turns like no German plane can, it carries more ordnance and can stay up 4ever.
The 4*HMG, is better than a standard 109g2, and equivalent to a 109G6, and not far away from the 2*20mm gun FW190A5. I would not try to HO a 190a8 in it though).
The P51D should be higher ENY'd than the monster 3*20mm incredibly rare LA-7, but I rather see that perked, and tag it ENY5-10 with one 20mm.
I don't like the 51B.
51D the most overrated ENY in the game. It's fast. That's about it.
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This is not productive at all.