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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ghi on July 07, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
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What a double bad karma destiny on this guy, :( not only crashed but eaten , unbelievable. :bolt:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4673848/Body-plane-crash-victim-EATEN-alligator.html
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The circle of life.
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sad story.
to often we here of planes ditching in lake michigan and the passengers die of hypothermia.
sad story.
:pray
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sad story.
to often we here of planes ditching in lake michigan and the passengers die of hypothermia.
sad story.
:pray
People don't realize just how COLD water is...
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People don't realize just how COLD water is...
only 4 months of the year are warm enough to not freeze your ass.
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Humans are a bit too fragile to survive any longer period of time in water..
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only 4 months of the year are warm enough to not freeze your ass.
Unless you are in the tropics or a hot spring, all natural bodies of water are too cold.
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I went scuba diving in the Caribbean, and I was actually shivering. Any water below 98.6 degrees will simply transfer the heat out of your body. It's a very good conductor. All the men from the USS Indianapolis sinking had hypothermia.
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Unless you are in the tropics or a hot spring, all natural bodies of water are too cold.
In any Michigan lake (other than superior) I should have stayed lol
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I went scuba diving in the Caribbean, and I was actually shivering. Any water below 98.6 degrees will simply transfer the heat out of your body. It's a very good conductor. All the men from the USS Indianapolis sinking had hypothermia.
Yep. Swimming in Hawaii was always too cold for my taste.
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Yep. Swimming in Hawaii was always too cold for my taste.
Poor guy...In your shirt life you have just experienced so amy wrongs! I bet they make you fly a Charlie model drone, I mean hornet :P
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You're not swimming hard enough.
During my workouts in high school swim team, when I would stop and stand in the shallow end, I could feel a sweat barrier starting between my skin and the water.
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Humans are a bit too fragile to survive any longer period of time in water..
Of all the species on the planet we seem to be the only ones who die from exposure anywhere in the world unless we have tools...ect. Makes you go hummmm.
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Well... Since we can use Tools etc we can both live in places that we otherwise couldn't and we can also afford to ditch some of the genetic features, such as fur since we don't need it. So few of us is dying from hypothermia that it's Worth the sacrifice.
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Well... you can look at this one of two ways...
1). The tool gets you killed then eaten. ( probable )
2). We have forgotten how to survive without them.
Sorry for the loss either way.
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Well... Since we can use Tools etc we can both live in places that we otherwise couldn't and we can also afford to ditch some of the genetic features, such as fur since we don't need it. So few of us is dying from hypothermia that it's Worth the sacrifice.
in a strange way of thinking i see what you say. only, life does not choose what it is, we are simply what survived. there is only seven kingdoms and almost all are made of the same thing, most look the same, and almost all live the same way. overheating is a constant threat for us warm blooded animals, a gigantic beast with high nutritional demand and a fine line operating temperature. not only are we very adapt at cooling ourselves but capable of generating heat as well. throw in that brain and we've got a nice animal. i'd say we lucked out good. :aok
(https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/vampirediaries/images/b/b6/Wallpaper-sexy-woman-72041.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/800?cb=20150410080250)
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Although your preferences of how a human being should look in order to be attractive to you isn't relevant in the debate. If you were a hippo you would still find the females attractive..
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actually, beauty would be a part of evolution we kinda do control. very subjective and limited, as you know. :)
our mind, if we really wanted could influence through breeding techniques. but the nazis lost the war. :D
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Most animals are attracted by certain features in order to pick the mate with the best genes, Winston for ex, he gets laid all the time because of his antlers...
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Again, kinda strange since life has been around for 4 billion years yet the concept of genes is 40 years old. But I know what ur saying, Winston is a stud. :devil
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"yet"? :headscratch:
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Meaning the concept of genes is term allowing us to describe our very limited understanding of how life is "programed", yet, or conversly, or although, life in a advanced state does observe traits that could be benifical, or not, is completely unrelated to genes.
Bottom line, it's going to take a lot of brain power and time to develop a human to express our innate otter genes to increase oil and fur production so we can swim in the sea again. If you catch my drift.
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And the only reason your chosen mate has good genes is because you kid Did survive to breed. Many many more died. It's the survivor that's remembered with the feel good story.
"Evolution" is the end story. Not how it works.
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Meaning the concept of genes
Genes are not a concept.
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Genes are not a concept.
Maybe it's a language barrier, but isn't everything a concept in some way?
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in the sense that we do not fully understand them or how they work and therefore the "concept" is used to bridge knowledge. more specific to discussion, "they" are definitely a concept when the term is used interchangeably with "traits".
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interesting side note, the alligator has changed relatively little in 240 million years or more. humans have changed a great amount. many sub-species in the last million years. sharp differences in size, appearance, and blood, yet we all can breed so not quite enough isolation for real evolution to segregate species.
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all good points but...
We have not evolved.
We have devolved.
We are chicken being fed just enough.
Somewhere "We" forgot how to be hunters/gatherers. (I think it was the gov telling us we could only kill this many animals and we cant raise any stock on our meager 1/4 acre lots because it might pee off the neighbors with smells and noise. Instead we spend our money and grow "yard of the month signs" that we can't eat.
If our mechanical crutches fail so do we by a margin of...oh...lets say....most of us.
I hope in my giant underpopulated state we simply have a chance if that is to ever happen.
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all good points but...
We have not evolved.
We have devolved.
We are chicken being fed just enough.
Somewhere "We" forgot how to be hunters/gatherers. (I think it was the gov telling us we could only kill this many animals and we cant raise any stock on our meager 1/4 acre lots because it might pee off the neighbors with smells and noise. Instead we spend our money and grow "yard of the month signs" that we can't eat.
If our mechanical crutches fail so do we by a margin of...oh...lets say....most of us.
I hope in my giant underpopulated state we simply have a chance if that is to ever happen.
I think it's VERY easily arguable that the ability to live off the land is something that is still very easily attainable. It's not a measure of evolution away, but merely hidden behind lessons and practice, whereas refusal to adapt and develop technology would have resulted in a VERY different life for all humans. Arguably, a worse one.
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all good points but...
We have not evolved.
We have devolved.
In biology, there is no such thing as "devolution". To evolve simply means to change. The process of biological evolution has no direction and no goal.
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in a strange way of thinking i see what you say. only, life does not choose what it is, we are simply what survived. there is only seven kingdoms and almost all are made of the same thing, most look the same, and almost all live the same way. overheating is a constant threat for us warm blooded animals, a gigantic beast with high nutritional demand and a fine line operating temperature. not only are we very adapt at cooling ourselves but capable of generating heat as well. throw in that brain and we've got a nice animal. i'd say we lucked out good. :aok
(https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/vampirediaries/images/b/b6/Wallpaper-sexy-woman-72041.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/800?cb=20150410080250)
Yep. We remove the last vestiges of protective fur so we look good in bikinis. Way to go humanity!
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all good points but...
I hope in my giant underpopulated state we simply have a chance if that is to ever happen.
Not all of us here think we live in an underpopulated state, and with all due respect Bozeman is an interesting, but somewhat overpopulated area for Montana....at least according to some standards here. Montana being one of the places where it is still quite easy to raise a family on game if you're so inclined, and still an amazing place for those of us who enjoy the outdoors.
But more to the point of evolution, it still is shaping us, but tends to happen slowly given our relatively long generation times, and the forces of selection change with our changing civilization, and perhaps more to your point if you're suggesting a collapse of society...that would impose a large selective force to favor those who can survive under the new circumstances.
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As a teenager i awoke somewhere east of billings on 94, from my greyhound bus "bed", to see the biggest most impressive sunrise "ever", big sky country. Impressive.
Not sure if i'd want to go back there to visit. :P but i would not hesitate to go for a good job. or a nice track of land with a river, some horses, and good trees to sit under. :aok
p.s. with my lotto winnings I would hire sum locals to take care of the horses. :old:
:salute
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Not all of us here think we live in an underpopulated state, and with all due respect Bozeman is an interesting, but somewhat overpopulated area for Montana....at least according to some standards here. Montana being one of the places where it is still quite easy to raise a family on game if you're so inclined, and still an amazing place for those of us who enjoy the outdoors.
But more to the point of evolution, it still is shaping us, but tends to happen slowly given our relatively long generation times, and the forces of selection change with our changing civilization, and perhaps more to your point if you're suggesting a collapse of society...that would impose a large selective force to favor those who can survive under the new circumstances.
It's beautiful but the worst state to be in a ww3 scenario; .
http://i.imgur.com/sw1LI3l.jpg
http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/us-nuclear-target-map/
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Not all of us here think we live in an underpopulated state, and with all due respect Bozeman is an interesting, but somewhat overpopulated area for Montana....at least according to some standards here. Montana being one of the places where it is still quite easy to raise a family on game if you're so inclined, and still an amazing place for those of us who enjoy the outdoors.
But more to the point of evolution, it still is shaping us, but tends to happen slowly given our relatively long generation times, and the forces of selection change with our changing civilization, and perhaps more to your point if you're suggesting a collapse of society...that would impose a large selective force to favor those who can survive under the new circumstances.
exactly...
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The population of humans on earth has far exceeded what could be supported by the hunter-gatherer lifestyle. Now the carrying capacity is approaching the next limiting factor, fresh water for agriculture.
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Yep,
27,000 people starved to death today, in the meantime i'm one of 680 million shameless obese without compassion for other creature; :(
http://www.worldometers.info/
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exactly...
This was a bit vague....but it would only take the loss of electricity for a couple of weeks to doom most of us. Think about it.
Have you ever tried to live without electricity....
For a week?
Month?
Year?
Have you ever tried to live on what is in your cabinets with out purchasing anything else as an experiment?
We were totally shocked when we were living on canned goods in a few days with nothing left after a week that we could call a meal.
Try it...it will put you in check.
Now imagine being in an overpopulated state.....and wow.
You immediately start thinking back to how things used to get done. This is why I said we have devolved. We can no longer help ourselves because we rely so heavily on everyone else doing it for us.
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sad story.
to often we here of planes ditching in lake michigan and the passengers die of hypothermia.
sad story.
:pray
Sounds like a midnight ganja run. Kid that age all alone, nobody knows where he's at, no paper trail, the 'glades.
I guess it doesn't matter now.
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Last one I recall was a family. I should find the article, if it's on the web...
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It's a really good experiment and can help point out some gaping flaws in logic when it comes to disaster preparedness.
How about no electricity and no water?
Have you ever tried to live on what is in your cabinets with out purchasing anything else as an experiment?
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could not find the article. it was years ago. there are plenty of stories on the web. ditching in the great lake happens a lot. Sad truth is despite may day call and active rescue teams, time and the lake win out. The sad story i recall in memory, emergency response was within a half hour, not enough. other articles i read while searching, one the lake was warm, and rescuers were holding out hope many hours later. Another, some of the passengers were found others not. Its a big lakes, cold too, nowhere to land, people end up in the news.
My first apartment, I had friends over after i got paid. We had a good weekend, they ate my food, i spent my money. With time I was making flour water pancakes with peanut butter. Then I ran of peanut butter and had flour water cakes with onions. then the onions ran out and i had flour water cakes with butter. Then the butter ran out. I called my mom to send me money.
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We once looked for a guy on a jet ski that quit for two days after the wind blew him out into the lake. Helicopters, boats the works. Know how we found him? The wind shifted and blew him right back into the same harbor he went out of and he called 911 on a pay phone and said "I'm home". He survived by drinking lake water and staying on the Jet ski.
But thats how desolate it is out there and how hard it is to find someone.
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In biology, there is no such thing as "devolution". To evolve simply means to change. The process of biological evolution has no direction and no goal.
True in theory however factors like dominance in genetic traits and environment can influence a certain direction that makes the theoretical "no direction" seem rather moot.
Also, no human that I know of accepts that premise as completely true. If any did, no one would give a whit whether or not polar bears are multiplying or dividing. They would simply say evolution is doing its thing, too bad for the bears. White tigers, elephants, wolves, whatever the species, man has decided evolution can't be left to its own devices and must be meddled with. Every time a meddle happens, that's pushing evolution in a direction that it on its own did not have.
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I knew a guy in Japan who was with four other guys on a university sailboat during a regatta. They were blown far out to sea, lost the mast and were adrift for over a month before being found.
He was the only survivor. He lived by catching seagulls with his bare hands, drinking their blood and eating them raw.
I had known him for several years and no idea about this until someone told me about a TV movie made about him. He never talked about it or brought it up.
I often noticed how calm he was about daily work or life problems. It made sense after learning that.
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good thread. poor guy.
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Ever since this thread started I've been expecting something to show up in the Wishlist concerning adding alligators to the terrain in order to deal with bailing bomber pilots. That, or adding some gators to the ponds in town that would have to be gunned down before troops would run to make base captures more difficult. :O :D
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Ever since this thread started I've been expecting something to show up in the Wishlist concerning adding alligators to the terrain in order to deal with bailing bomber pilots. That, or adding some gators to the ponds in town that would have to be gunned down before troops would run to make base captures more difficult. :O :D
Would the m3 resupply horde then need to select a "caution live animals" supply box in order to resupply the dead gators after an unsuccessful base take attempt?
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