Plane crash victim eaten by an alligator in Florida

[Snork]

in a strange way of thinking i see what you say.  only, life does not choose what it is, we are simply what survived.  there is only seven kingdoms and almost all are made of the same thing, most look the same, and almost all live the same way.  overheating is a constant threat for us warm blooded animals, a gigantic beast with high nutritional demand and a fine line operating temperature.  not only are we very adapt at cooling ourselves but capable of generating heat as well.  throw in that brain and we've got a nice animal.  i'd say we lucked out good. 

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Yep. We remove the last vestiges of protective fur so we look good in bikinis. Way to go humanity!

[DaddyAce]

all good points but...


I hope in my giant underpopulated state we simply have a chance if that is to ever happen.

Not all of us here think we live in an underpopulated state, and with all due respect Bozeman is an interesting, but somewhat overpopulated area for Montana....at least according to some standards here.  Montana being one of the places where it is still quite easy to raise a family on game if you're so inclined, and still an amazing place for those of us who enjoy the outdoors.

But more to the point of evolution, it still is shaping us, but tends to happen slowly given our relatively long generation times, and the forces of selection change with our changing civilization, and perhaps more to your point if you're suggesting a collapse of society...that would impose a large selective force to favor those who can survive under the new circumstances.

[NatCigg]

As a teenager i awoke somewhere east of billings on 94, from my greyhound bus "bed", to see the biggest most impressive sunrise "ever", big sky country.  Impressive.

Not sure if i'd want to go back there to visit.    but i would not hesitate to go for a good job. or a nice track of land with a river, some horses, and good trees to sit under. 

p.s. with my lotto winnings I would hire sum locals to take care of the horses. 

 

[ghi]

Not all of us here think we live in an underpopulated state, and with all due respect Bozeman is an interesting, but somewhat overpopulated area for Montana....at least according to some standards here.  Montana being one of the places where it is still quite easy to raise a family on game if you're so inclined, and still an amazing place for those of us who enjoy the outdoors.

But more to the point of evolution, it still is shaping us, but tends to happen slowly given our relatively long generation times, and the forces of selection change with our changing civilization, and perhaps more to your point if you're suggesting a collapse of society...that would impose a large selective force to favor those who can survive under the new circumstances.

It's beautiful but the worst state to be in a ww3 scenario; .

http://i.imgur.com/sw1LI3l.jpg
http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/us-nuclear-target-map/

[ToeTag]

Not all of us here think we live in an underpopulated state, and with all due respect Bozeman is an interesting, but somewhat overpopulated area for Montana....at least according to some standards here.  Montana being one of the places where it is still quite easy to raise a family on game if you're so inclined, and still an amazing place for those of us who enjoy the outdoors.

But more to the point of evolution, it still is shaping us, but tends to happen slowly given our relatively long generation times, and the forces of selection change with our changing civilization, and perhaps more to your point if you're suggesting a collapse of society...that would impose a large selective force to favor those who can survive under the new circumstances.

exactly...

[DaveBB]

The population of humans on earth has far exceeded what could be supported by the hunter-gatherer lifestyle.  Now the carrying capacity is approaching the next limiting factor, fresh water for agriculture.

[ghi]

Yep,
 27,000 people starved to death today, in the meantime i'm one of 680 million shameless  obese without compassion for other creature;
http://www.worldometers.info/

[ToeTag]

exactly...

This was a bit vague....but it would only take the loss of electricity for a couple of weeks to doom most of us.  Think about it. 

Have you ever tried to live without electricity....

For a week?
Month?
Year?

Have you ever tried to live on what is in your cabinets with out purchasing anything else as an experiment?

We were totally shocked when we were living on canned goods in a few days with nothing left after a week that we could call a meal.

Try it...it will put you in check.

Now imagine being in an overpopulated state.....and wow.

You immediately start thinking back to how things used to get done. This is why I said we have devolved.  We can no longer help ourselves because we rely so heavily on everyone else doing it for us.
 

[Rich46yo]

sad story.

to often we here of planes ditching in lake michigan and the passengers die of hypothermia.

sad story.

 

Sounds like a midnight ganja run. Kid that age all alone, nobody knows where he's at, no paper trail, the 'glades.

I guess it doesn't matter now.

[NatCigg]

Last one I recall was a family.  I should find the article, if it's on the web...

[Kanth]

It's a really good experiment and can help point out some gaping flaws in logic when it comes to disaster preparedness.
How about no electricity and no water?

Have you ever tried to live on what is in your cabinets with out purchasing anything else as an experiment?

[NatCigg]

could not find the article.  it was years ago.  there are plenty of stories on the web. ditching in the great lake happens a lot.  Sad truth is despite may day call and active rescue teams, time and the lake win out.  The sad story i recall in memory, emergency response was within a half hour, not enough.  other articles i read while searching, one the lake was warm, and rescuers were holding out hope many hours later.  Another, some of the passengers were found others not.  Its a big lakes, cold too, nowhere to land, people end up in the news.
 

My first apartment, I had friends over after i got paid.  We had a good weekend, they ate my food, i spent my money.  With time I was making flour water pancakes with peanut butter.  Then I ran of peanut butter and had flour water cakes with onions.  then the onions ran out and i had flour water cakes with butter.  Then the butter ran out.  I called my mom to send me money.

[Rich46yo]

We once looked for a guy on a jet ski that quit for two days after the wind blew him out into the lake. Helicopters, boats the works. Know how we found him? The wind shifted and blew him right back into the same harbor he went out of and he called 911 on a pay phone and said "I'm home". He survived by drinking lake water and staying on the Jet ski.

But thats how desolate it is out there and how hard it is to find someone.

[Zener]

In biology, there is no such thing as "devolution". To evolve simply means to change. The process of biological evolution has no direction and no goal.

True in theory however factors like dominance in genetic traits and environment can influence a certain direction that makes the theoretical "no direction" seem rather moot.

Also, no human that I know of accepts that premise as completely true.  If any did, no one would give a whit whether or not polar bears are multiplying or dividing.  They would simply say evolution is doing its thing, too bad for the bears.  White tigers, elephants, wolves, whatever the species, man has decided evolution can't be left to its own devices and must be meddled with.  Every time a meddle happens, that's pushing evolution in a direction that it on its own did not have.

[Rolex]

I knew a guy in Japan who was with four other guys on a university sailboat during a regatta. They were blown far out to sea, lost the mast and were adrift for over a month before being found.

He was the only survivor. He lived by catching seagulls with his bare hands, drinking their blood and eating them raw.

I had known him for several years and no idea about this until someone told me about a TV movie made about him. He never talked about it or brought it up.

I often noticed how calm he was about daily work or life problems. It made sense after learning that.