Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Brooke on July 31, 2017, 02:00:25 PM
Title: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Brooke on July 31, 2017, 02:00:25 PM
Time to vote on what our next scenario will be.
A. Rabaul with Marine Corsairs, Navy Hellcats, USAAF B-24's, and B-25H's, and maybe some RAAF P-40N's and maybe P-38's vs. Imperial Japan's Ki-84's, N1K2's, Ki-61's, and Zeros. Many famous US and Japanese aces fought at Rabaul. For good playability, most of the Japanese planes will be the later-war types, even though historically at that time it was mainly Zeros and some Ki-61's. B-24's will be hitting land targets. B-25H's (straffer/75 mm cannon) will be for antishipping and possibly some ground attack. Setup will be influenced by action described in: (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51WAdZDKNXL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
B. Midway. F4F's, SBD's, TBM's vs. Zeros, D3A's, and B5N's.
C. Pantelleria with P-38, Spitfire, P-40, B-26, and B-17 vs. Bf 109G, C.2, and Ju 88. This was a fight around Pantelleria (between Sicily and North Africa), involving air combat, bombing land targets, and going after ships. If we need to, because of player numbers, we might focus the allied bomber side into one or the other bomber types, but both is our goal.
These designs are not completed, and the exact details are not finalized. For example, Rabaul above says "maybe P-38's" -- they were there (Bong and McGuire were flying during this time), but we have to make sure we have the player numbers to cover the number of different types of aircraft, and sometimes we have to focus on parts of the battle. We will leave exact details of plane set up to the design process.
Once the theme of the battle is picked, we will move to the phase of design of the setup, with the community being able to see the process and give suggestions.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Krusty on July 31, 2017, 02:06:16 PM
A or C 50/50 split for my vote.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Brooke on July 31, 2017, 02:23:58 PM
My vote is A.
Corsairs, Hellcats, Ki-84's, and N1K2's are rare in Scenarios, and those are very fun matchups.
Also, this is the time period when many US aces, including Boyington and the Blacksheep, Blackburn and The Jolly Rogers, Robert Hanson, and various Japanese aces including Tetsuo Iwamoto were fighting over Rabaul.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 31, 2017, 02:27:10 PM
Rabaul.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Brooke on July 31, 2017, 02:55:27 PM
Note, Rabaul could have P-38's in it, too. :aok They were there (along with Bong and McGuire). We just need to make sure we have the player coverage for what we pick. That would be decided as part of the design process.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Petey on July 31, 2017, 03:14:03 PM
A please.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 31, 2017, 04:10:47 PM
A A A A A A A sorry,button was stuck :uhoh I vote A :devil
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: oboe on July 31, 2017, 04:41:08 PM
I gotta go with C) because of the more historically accurate plane set.
There weren't any Ki.84s or N1K2s at Rabaul and I don't think I can make that jump, even for playability.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Guppy35 on July 31, 2017, 04:52:08 PM
Note, Rabaul could have P-38's in it, too. :aok They were there (along with Bong and McGuire). We just need to make sure we have the player coverage for what we pick. That would be decided as part of the design process.
Let's just be clear about this. The 80th FS "Headhunters" were over Rabaul :aok.
If you do 25s it was strafer nosed Cs that were doing the raids. The Hs were not there. 24s up high. Navy carrier birds participating. RAAF P40s. Historically some Tonies although they didn't last long and Zekes in the main on Rabaul.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Zimme83 on July 31, 2017, 05:26:14 PM
Rabaul if we get the SBD, otherwise Midway.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: swareiam on July 31, 2017, 05:43:43 PM
Let's just be clear about this. The 80th FS "Headhunters" were over Rabaul :aok.
If you do 25s it was strafer nosed Cs that were doing the raids. The Hs were not there. 24s up high. Navy carrier birds participating. RAAF P40s. Historically some Tonies although they didn't last long and Zekes in the main on Rabaul.
Dan,
Was that a vote? :D
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: swareiam on July 31, 2017, 05:45:04 PM
Pantelleria!
C
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Guppy35 on July 31, 2017, 05:48:07 PM
Let's just be clear about this. The 80th FS "Headhunters" were over Rabaul :aok.
If you do 25s it was strafer nosed Cs that were doing the raids. The Hs were not there. 24s up high. Navy carrier birds participating. RAAF P40s. Historically some Tonies although they didn't last long and Zekes in the main on Rabaul.
Yep.
The H's, though, are more survivable with tail guns. C's are OK if you have only A6M2's or 3's as opponents. But if you adjust the plane set to have later-war stuff (which we need against F6F's, F4U's, etc.), then the C's are in big trouble.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Canspec on July 31, 2017, 09:28:14 PM
A...... :old:
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Joker on July 31, 2017, 10:34:35 PM
I say A :aok
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: kilo2 on August 01, 2017, 12:44:40 AM
c
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: bozon on August 01, 2017, 02:19:27 AM
If we get the new F4F and D3A in time (plus the recent SBD), then Midway will be most appropriate and awesome. Otherwise, delay Midway to the next scenario after we get them.
A and C are both good options. However, since we dont often do a PTO scenario and I'd love to take a Hellcat - then... I vote A
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: AKKuya on August 01, 2017, 06:00:00 AM
C
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: branch37 on August 01, 2017, 06:52:22 AM
A Rabaul all the way.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: SlipKnt on August 01, 2017, 08:11:17 AM
A
I love me some Hellcats!!!
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: DubiousKB on August 01, 2017, 10:01:18 AM
A.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Zoney on August 01, 2017, 10:10:53 AM
c
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: TequilaChaser on August 01, 2017, 11:12:19 PM
A
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Guppy35 on August 02, 2017, 12:18:16 AM
The H's, though, are more survivable with tail guns. C's are OK if you have only A6M2's or 3's as opponents. But if you adjust the plane set to have later-war stuff (which we need against F6F's, F4U's, etc.), then the C's are in big trouble.
C's are fine. You just cover em with Headhunters :)
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: bgoldy on August 02, 2017, 11:00:38 AM
I hate to assume stuff, but krusty, if you look close enough, the two "bombers" that have no top gunner are actually 38's. Plus the third taking the picture :p (not sure if you were being sarcastic in your post tho or not)
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Guppy35 on August 02, 2017, 03:44:56 PM
I hate to assume stuff, but krusty, if you look close enough, the two "bombers" that have no top gunner are actually 38's. Plus the third taking the picture :p (not sure if you were being sarcastic in your post tho or not)
Lol, a bit of an old joke, antagonizing P-38 pilots that they fly bombers because they have 2 engines, or referencing B-38s, or mistaking fighter pics for bombers... etc.
All in good fun, but only really good against die-hard P-38 fans and and only those that know of the joke. :aok
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: bgoldy on August 03, 2017, 10:15:59 AM
:bhead yea I knew I shoulda know that. Pay no attention to me anymore, I'm just a dancing banana :banana:
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: nooby52 on August 03, 2017, 11:40:07 AM
A
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: FBDragon on August 03, 2017, 02:41:22 PM
CC C C C C C C C
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: TequilaChaser on August 03, 2017, 04:54:31 PM
As of now the poll is
A = 17 B = ? 0 C= 8
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Brooke on August 03, 2017, 05:02:11 PM
A = 17 C = 16. If we were to count the extra 8 c's he typed
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Guppy35 on August 03, 2017, 11:25:57 PM
The reality is the scenario will get more participants if the Axis birds are Luftwaffe. Then again, I'd fly A or C so.... :)
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Arlo on August 04, 2017, 06:57:41 AM
The Japanese stronghold on Rabaul, on the northeast corner of New Britain, remained a major thorn in the side of South Pacific Allied operations. In order to neutralize this threat, Task Group 50.3 (including the carriers Essex, Independence and Bunker Hill) launched a major strike on the morning of 1 November 1943.
While the carrier-based planes struck Rabaul, several land-based squadrons were assigned to CAP the task group. Fighting-17 joined VMF-212, VMF-221, the Hellcat-flying VF-33, and a squadron of New Zealand P-40s in this mission. The Jolly Rogers were to take off at 0400, CAP from dawn to 0900, refuel and (if needed) rearm on the carriers, and continue the CAP at 1030 until fuel/ammo/damage demanded they return to Ondongo.
After an hour of early-morning CAP, Blackburn flamed a lone incoming Tony which was detected by shipboard radar. There was no further action by 0900, when VF-17 and -33 landed to refuel. Blackburn noted that these landings proved to any skeptics that the Corsair was indeed carrier-worthy.
Morning faded into early afternoon, and the weather conditions over the task force began to degenerate. Puffy clouds developed into massive cumulous clouds; visibility shrank. At 1300, radar detected a large inbound Japanese strike, and the CAP was scrambled to intercept. A few minutes out from the carriers, the pilots of VF-17 sighted 65 Zekes escorting 25 Val dive bombers and 15 Kate torpedo bombers. The Hogs dove onto the Zekes with a considerable altitude advantage; Streig, Jackson, Hogan, Hedrick and Baker each bagged one, with Anderson and Chasnoff sharing the kill of a sixth Zeke. Burriss dove through the Zekes and flamed a Kate; Blackburn damaged a Zeke and followed it down to 2,500 feet, where he lost it in the clouds. The remainder of the Kates dodged into a nearby cumulous, and were temporarily lost from sight. Bell bounced the Vals, and flamed two. After searching unsuccessfully for the remaining Kates, Burriss sighted and downed a Betty twin-engined bomber. He then shared a kill of a Kate with one of VF-33's Hellcats.
The remainder of the Kates emerged from the protective cumulous and initiated a torpedo run on the Bunker Hill. They were quickly bounced by Kleinmann, Hill, Gile and Kepford. As the planes closed on the carrier, 40mm and 20mm AA erupted around them and sent huge plumes of water before and between the planes. Hill downed one of the Kates and pulled out to escape the AA; Kleinmann flamed a second, but was hit by an AA shell which shattered his windshield and peppered his face with broken glass. He disengaged and limped his Hog back to Ondonga. Gile came up on a Kate after it dropped its torp (fortunately from too high an altitude, causing the weapon to malfunction), and downed it after a prolonged hammering. Ignoring the Zeke cover which had materialized overhead, Ira Kepford dropped onto the tail of a Kate which had closed to 1,000 yards of the Bunker Hill. As the Japanese pilot closed his finger onto the release button, Kepford opened up . . . simultaneously, a Zeke dropped onto his six and started firing. The Kate burst into flames and crashed into the sea; before Kepford became aware of the Zeke, a Hellcat dropped behind it and blew it out of the air. Kepford successfully dodged the AAA, climbed to altitude, and spotted a flight of six Vals heading back to Rabaul. He zoomed up on their low 6, lined up, and flamed three in succession. As he opened up on the fourth, the last of his ammunition was expended.
For the day's action in what came to be called The Battle of the Solomon Sea, VF-17 was credited with 18.5 confirmed kills and 7 damaged Japanese planes. Two pilots, Baker and Hill, were forced to ditch their planes on-route to Ondongo; both were successfully rescued. The battle was a major strategic victory for the Allies, as the Japanese gave up all attempts to repel the invasion of Bougainville afterwards. Instead, they attempted whatever holding action they could in the Solomons while withdrawing their forces to the strongholds of Truk and Rabaul.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: DaddyAce on August 04, 2017, 12:24:01 PM
All 3 choices look like fun to me. I'd prefer historically active plane sets, but Rabaul looks very appealing....I appreciate the work the organizers put into this and just want to encourage you to do what you can to maintain the historical accuracy, but still agree with your intent to maintain good gameplay..... so my vote is for A
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Arlo on August 06, 2017, 10:04:10 AM
Potential artwork (stolen from the internet) to promote the upcoming Fortress Rabaul campaign. ;)
When are we going to do a winter war with P39s, Brewsters, IL2s, 109Es with a ground element of T34s vs Panzer G and Hetzers?!
PERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRKELE!!!!!!!!!
That is a very good question. Unfortunately, since the transition to AH3, we have lost many of the special terrains that represent events like the "Continuation War".
The special bases and objects in the Karelia terrain are no more and right now there are limitations on what the terrain team can do in regards to making these special terrains fully capable again.
I completely agree that this would be a great event to hold. It has been chatted up many times by the Scenario team, but it is what it is.
We would need a massive infusion HTC and Terrain Team support to make this happen.
Cheers...
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: perdue3 on August 17, 2017, 11:40:50 PM
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Crash Orange on August 21, 2017, 09:15:42 PM
A
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: KCDitto on August 21, 2017, 09:45:29 PM
What ever,
I do not like PTO... But I will fly a torch for AXIS... :rolleyes:
The most fun I have ever had in a PTO scenario is when the opposing fleets got close and there were like 300 PT boats in the water :x
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: ROC on August 21, 2017, 10:20:00 PM
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The most fun I have ever had in a PTO scenario is when the opposing fleets got close and there were like 300 PT boats in the water
Final Frame, Final 15 minutes of Pacific War progressive scenario :)
I'll fly anything, I would just beg the designers to count objects, I mean Count Them, it matters. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zsm8B4bedFCORleUWyjcmn3n2Y_fxgzVM5qBmQDEp70/edit#gid=1534438820 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zsm8B4bedFCORleUWyjcmn3n2Y_fxgzVM5qBmQDEp70/edit#gid=1534438820)
Here is the object counts identifying and balancing the 12 hour war. This is the system Nef and I used both 12 hour events, and I use Every Time an event is designed when I'm involved. These are the objects, hardness, and how much ordinance is required to drop them. This isn't the spread sheet showing that each plane can reach each target and objective by personally flying it. This isn't the spreadsheet documenting the fuel burns effect. It's one document logging months of energy proving that each objective can be met and counting the ordinance in the air compared to objects on the ground and Exactly How Much is needed. The spreadsheet is Documenting the Results of verifying, not Calculating the Possibility. There is a difference. One is theoretical, one is factual.
If this much time and effort isn't spent, you are guessing, and it's not fair to the players who spend months designing their missions and planning. Put effort into the design so we can count on it, and trust that our effort spending months of planning won't be wasted by winging it mid event. Put the time into the design and you won't hear a word out of me, but trust me, I count each element when you guys build them so don't be surprised if you don't and you hear me call it out.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Brooke on August 21, 2017, 10:46:49 PM
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Krusty on August 22, 2017, 07:14:34 PM
Oh, god! The low-poly days! I thought we weren't supposed to mention those days!!!
:P
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: HB555 on August 22, 2017, 07:44:36 PM
That was one of my favorites, but that darn Brooke had us practicing more than eight hours a day, and I never did get paid the OT hours. Sure was nice to see all the practice pay off, though.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Brooke on August 22, 2017, 11:39:40 PM
HB555, along with me, SA2, DmdWind, HAND, GaB, and LNWLF1 taking off on another torpedo mission. :aok
Longbow (Air Warrior in 1999). 18 frames of scenario action. :O (http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/longbow/pics/p1f6/lb_p1f6_0070_pickup38.jpg)
It seems like it was only 18 years ago. ;)
My first time leading 602 Squadron RAF :)
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Hajo on August 24, 2017, 09:23:08 AM
Anything fine with me. My 6 month break was the ticket. Rabaul sounds like fun.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: oboe on August 24, 2017, 10:38:47 AM
Glad to see you back, Hajo! :salute
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Brooke on August 24, 2017, 01:39:11 PM
Hajo! Hajo! Hajo! :aok
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Arlo on August 24, 2017, 01:44:33 PM
Sorting some hardware issues then I'll play as much as practically possible*.
*Meaning my books for this semester weigh about 50 lbs and include ... ulp ... math. The non-math is fairly interesting reading, however.
P.S. The bookstore guy who was handling my order as well as my steop-son's said his was a book and 4 codes because he was majoring in accounting and this is what I get for being a history/poli sci major.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: USCH on August 24, 2017, 06:25:54 PM
whatever one that does NOT have an Alt cap
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Guppy35 on August 24, 2017, 11:36:46 PM
Anything fine with me. My 6 month break was the ticket. Rabaul sounds like fun.
Sucker!!! :)
Knew you'd be back :aok
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Arlo on August 24, 2017, 11:49:19 PM
Power supply replaced and original rest of my stuff playing the game fine. :D
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: oboe on August 25, 2017, 06:52:30 AM
Glad to have you back in the air, Arlo!
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Arlo on August 25, 2017, 11:05:23 AM
Lunatic was very glad, last night. ;)
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: oboe on August 25, 2017, 11:06:55 AM
Curious, what were your symptoms of a failing power supply?
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Krusty on August 25, 2017, 11:44:09 AM
I had one where my integrated nic was disconnecting me every 45 minutes or so during Malta way back. That was not fun. Turned out to be undervoltage on the motherboard and failing PSU causing this and other problems. Had to do with warm-up cycles or at least loss in efficiency (or progression of failure) as the PSU was running.
Also had full-screen lockups with stuttering sound and frozen picture. Had some other issues. The symptoms were scattered and really hard to track down. Didn't confirm anything for a long time until I went into my BIOS screen and saw the readouts for my voltage rails seriously lower than they should have been.
Swapped it out and whattayaknow, the symptoms stopped!
PSUs are very hard to spot as they fail, but if you've got a hunch check your voltage readouts. If you've got a PC that lets you monitor those from your OS, even better. Otherwise check your BIOS.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Hajo on August 25, 2017, 09:41:16 PM
I'd fly an SBD anyhwere.............so if PAC is a choice count me in.
Great books to have for PAC references. Fire in the Sky by E. Bergerud and the First Team by John Lundstrom.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 07, 2017, 12:15:44 PM
So is it decided upon yet?
Hoping for it to be A - Rabual
Been a good while since I last got to fly an F4U in a scenario
Glad to have ya back Hajo and Arlo!
TC
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Brooke on September 07, 2017, 02:55:49 PM
Yep, it'll be Rabaul -- that got by far the most votes.
I'll get the design topic up and going in the next several days.
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 07, 2017, 03:22:27 PM
Yep, it'll be Rabaul -- that got by far the most votes.
I'll get the design topic up and going in the next several days.
YaYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Put me in for an SBD. Thanks for the welcome TC. (I do hope they will be available!).....If not I'll hop in a strafer, but prefer an SBD)
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: BTPage on September 08, 2017, 07:21:16 PM
A is my vote
Title: Re: Vote on the theme for the October 2017 Scenario
Post by: Brooke on September 11, 2017, 02:34:53 PM