Playing via steam like I said I do...... and am constantly seeing late war monsters only...... :uhoh
So? There is nothing stopping you from flying one yourself, you're free to fly any plane you choose, just like everyone else is.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: haggerty on August 24, 2017, 03:24:06 AM
You get more perks for shooting them down :) Not everyone flies the latest and greatest, but it should be no surprise that the majority of planes are 10 eny or less when they are available to a team, you get more speed, firepower, climb ability, ordnance capability, etc. If you want some higher eny planes that perform really well against 5 ENY planes I recommend the P47D-11, the 109G2, the Yak9U, LA5FN, Ki-84, P-51B.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: bozon on August 24, 2017, 06:15:43 AM
Late war planes totally freak out when they find a 1943 plane riding their 6. Their pilot's ACM book only goes up to G=3. :old:
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: thndregg on August 24, 2017, 06:28:01 AM
Playing via steam like I said I do...... and am constantly seeing late war monsters only...... :uhoh
I don't think it matters that you are playing via Steam - the Open Melee is the same arena for both Steam users and non-Steam users.
I see a lot of late-War monsters too, and always have. Doesn't stop me from getting in my favorite Flying Tiger P-40E, P-39, or F4F-4 though.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: tuba515 on August 24, 2017, 08:58:49 AM
When you see late war plane, the best counter is to grab a Brewster (or other favorite early war bird) and own them...... wait for the pm and 200 complaint and laugh
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: TWCAxew on August 24, 2017, 09:01:05 AM
I was flying a p40 and a 110 2 days ago :joystick:
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: tuba515 on August 24, 2017, 09:02:33 AM
110 is always a great bird to fly!
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Copprhed on August 24, 2017, 09:30:27 AM
If anyone checks my stats, they would see that my primary bird for turn fighting, dive bombing, tank busting and bomber hunting is the 110G2. With dual throttles, a LOT of practice and the arrogance of other pilots who think it's an easy target, I have a blast. I have the 110 G2 set for attack, with no other planes used for it, so that I know what the dedicated score is for just that plane when I check my attack score.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: waystin2 on August 24, 2017, 09:42:04 AM
When you and where you flying man? The early and mids are out there...
My Top Killers in Current tour-
12 kills in the Hurricane IID 16 Kills in the Yak9T
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: popeye on August 24, 2017, 09:44:44 AM
226 kills in the FM2. :D
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: tuba515 on August 24, 2017, 09:46:46 AM
110 is by far one of my favorites. It can be buff killer, can boom and zoom like no tomorrow, and has amazing cannon.But I will be trying the yak's once I can get a new rig.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: wil3ur on August 24, 2017, 09:52:01 AM
I'm a 109G6 man mostly, but have been flying the crap out of the KI61 recently. Last night in TT it was Seafires, Spit V's, FM2s, P40s, B Ponys... and a ton of them.
Do you ever have a post that isn't complaining about the game model, player style/gameplay, or some other random whine? Not trying to be a dick, but I haven't seen anything constructive or positive from your postings in months. It's getting a little worn out and tired.
1. People can and fly what they want when they want 2. People will not conform to your style of play 3. Be the change you want to see
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Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: nrshida on August 24, 2017, 10:14:58 AM
Playing via steam like I said I do...... and am constantly seeing late war monsters only...... :uhoh
Each and every 'Late War Monster' Nuget, has weaknesses in practical air combat. Name the ones troubling you and I / we will tell you how to at least force a stalemate. Like Copprhed said, there are also dimensions beyond textbook ACM which can be applied to neutralise certain Monsterness.
Better a twittler on your six, that no twittler at all. Even if some of them are messerschmitts :)
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 24, 2017, 10:36:58 AM
If someone can't see the problem that 5 planes are used 90% of time where there are 50 planes I can't make him see the problem.
Please supply your statistics backing this claim. My current tour numbers don't seem to match your statement at all, not only in the planes that I've flown, but in the planes that I've killed and been killed by... :aok
If someone can't see the problem that 5 planes are used 90% of time where there are 50 planes I can't make him see the problem.
This is also a consequence of the increasing background result-centric culture. Some aeroplanes bring results more easily and safely. Making those planes less available will drive away players, not the planes.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: The Fugitive on August 24, 2017, 12:21:11 PM
maybe he is having a graphics card issue and his computer isn't displaying the other types of planes. :devil
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Zoney on August 24, 2017, 12:25:24 PM
If someone can't see the problem that 5 planes are used 90% of time where there are 50 planes I can't make him see the problem.
That's because the problem is in your head.
Just exactly how much do you charge for folks to cross that bridge?
If you want to fly early war planes, go right ahead, you've paid for a subscription and have every right to choose them. I have also paid for a subscription, and not that it matters but I've paid quite a bit longer than you have, i get to fly whatever planes I want also.
You've been invited to join a fine squad and participate in historical events where it will be early war against early war quite a bit but you've chosen to ignore that invitation.
And now I'm guilty, like many others, of responding to what amounts to nothing of any value.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Mister Fork on August 24, 2017, 12:50:24 PM
Kong, you're a machine in that FM2 though. Got her figured out and tuned purring like a kitten.
I fly the Spit V ALL the time. It's a 1941 plane and a fantastic turn machine. I LOVE it when late war Spitfire's try to turn with me and I end up chewing up their arses and throw them into chutes (or towers). And with my favourite skin courtesy of Greebo (thanks sir :salute) ) I fly it every night I log in at least once.
And you get a crap load of perk points for flying early war planes in the MA. I have enough for a couple of 262 rides and a couple B-29/AR234 runs.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: nugetx on August 24, 2017, 01:59:16 PM
If you want to fly early war planes, go right ahead, you've paid for a subscription and have every right to choose them. I have also paid for a subscription, and not that it matters but I've paid quite a bit longer than you have, i get to fly whatever planes I want also.
I want to fly early war planes and mid war planes also.... but other players who are playing late war planes stop me from doing that, because if someone flies a 190 d9 or a p51d I will never catch him in a spit 1.
So in essence I have to play like others want me to play, not the way I would like to play.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Zoney on August 24, 2017, 02:13:48 PM
OK OK, I get it now, this is a joke. You got me there man I was missing the sarcasm font I guess. Whew! And here for just a minute I thought you were a complete fool, lolol, ya sucked me in dude, well done.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: popeye on August 24, 2017, 02:15:17 PM
So in essence I have to play like others want me to play, not the way I would like to play.
Can you see that your solution to the "problem" is to have others play the way you want them to play?
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Drano on August 24, 2017, 02:15:44 PM
You want a rolling plane set. We got it already.
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Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: bustr on August 24, 2017, 02:16:46 PM
No, you have not developed the skill to fly those aircraft in this game the way you want to yet. This is not an easy game to transition to from other air combat games you might think are co-equal. You are starting to sound like a long list of well known players who spend their time telling Hitech to change the game to favor how they want to play it.
Learn how to fly a fighter in this game instead of trying to tell Hitech to change it to suit your wants. And if you think you are an early war fighter gawd or something like that, PM Bruv119 for a duel in early war fighters. Most of the audience in this post will happily warm you up for him.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: waystin2 on August 24, 2017, 02:25:06 PM
I want to fly early war planes and mid war planes also.... but other players who are playing late war planes stop me from doing that, because if someone flies a 190 d9 or a p51d I will never catch him in a spit 1.
So in essence I have to play like others want me to play, not the way I would like to play.
Don't chase them. I don't. Most of them come back screw up and die...
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: icepac on August 24, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
Is there a chart on "sorties flown" by plane type?
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: hyzer on August 24, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
I want to fly early war planes and mid war planes also....
Is it because you are afraid of being shot down? If that is the case you might as well only fly in the training arena, since you can't be shot down there. If you want to learn to fly early and mid war planes, you will die, a lot. But guess what, it doesn't matter at all.
The above was written as if you are actually sincere, however, I suspect you are one of the better trolls to come along in a long time.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: thrila on August 24, 2017, 02:39:55 PM
Ah, so you meant figaratively 5 planes are used 90% of time, rather than 5 planes are actually used 90% of the time. :devil
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: JimmyC on August 24, 2017, 02:56:32 PM
You can lead a horse to water....
Then bludgeon the bejeebers outta it.....
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: gflyer on August 24, 2017, 03:12:39 PM
There are a lot of late war planes flying, so what. They mostly make just as big a burning wreck as the early and mid war. You won't win all fights regardless of what you fly or who you are. The key is to have fun in whatever you fly...now those uber dwirbles and manned guns-now that's something that should be looked at :)! :airplane:
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 24, 2017, 03:38:09 PM
If someone can't see the problem that 5 planes are used 90% of time where there are 50 planes I can't make him see the problem.
If you can't state the problem then you either don't know what it is or there is no problem. You seem to be promoting your personal preferences with fake facts.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: puller on August 24, 2017, 03:45:07 PM
I want to fly early war planes and mid war planes also.... but other players who are playing late war planes stop me from doing that, because if someone flies a 190 d9 or a p51d I will never catch him in a spit 1.
So in essence I have to play like others want me to play, not the way I would like to play.
Don't chase them. I don't. Most of them come back screw up and die...
Way is 100% right here...and on top of that...even if I am in a Dora or Tempy, something fast....I still don't chase the runners...I start climbing behind them...this causes them to turn around and fight the majority of the time....sometimes they will wait a long time before they come back...waiting on you to get engaged with another plane...
You have to be aware of whats going on around you...leading up to the 12Hr BoB, several spit 1s and hurri 1s got kills on me in LAs and other various "late war monsters"....but you know what let them get me....BAD SA....BAD SA is what got me killed by them....and bad SA on someone elses part will get YOU kills in early war planes...
YOUR actions will decide whether you get kills or whether or not you will get any better...trying to blame the game or deflect blame from your bad decisions is poor form...especially since you have only played for less than 24 hours...
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Krusty on August 24, 2017, 04:07:03 PM
I like flying early war planes in the latewar arena. It's more of a challenge. But it IS a challenge. They are underdogs and outclassed most ways (usually only being able to turn tighter).
Start with the basics. Learn to fly a decent plane or even a good one. Then when you've got a little skill banked, start testing yourself with early war stuff in the MA. Also keep an eye out for scenarios snapshots and special events where everyone is in early war planes.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Becinhu on August 24, 2017, 04:27:39 PM
No, the Top 10 planes are not all late war planes. I'll let you try and figure out which one is a mid-war plane (1943).
I know the answer!!!! Lol. It's a typical nugetx post. Hi tech needs to change the game to what he wants.....
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Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: nugetx on August 24, 2017, 04:47:49 PM
Ok show me a ww2 flight sim apart from Aces High/Air Warrior that does not have axis vs allies and a normal RPS as a main focus.
Now I will tell you from top of my head all the flight sims which are that
Secret weapons of the luftwaffe - 1990 Aces of the Pacific - 1992 B-17 flying fortress - 1992 Aces over Europe - 1993 1942 Pacific Air war - 1994 European Air war - 1998 Combat Flight Simulator - 1998 Janes WW2 fighters - 1998 Luftwaffe Commander - 1999 Combat Flight Simulator 2 - 2000 IL2 sturmovik - 2001 Combat Flight Simulator 3 - 2003 Battle of Britain 2 - 2005 Cliffs of Dover - 2010 il2 Battle Of stalingrad - 2015
Don't you see guys that by not having axis vs allies and RPS this game is shooting itself in the foot, because every flight simmer is expecting this to be like this? and all those flight simmers are not here because of this.
And you are telling me I want this game to play 'my way?' ? No! The whole flight sim community wants the game to play like other WW2 flight sims, and not WW2 mario kart.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Lusche on August 24, 2017, 04:50:06 PM
The whole flight sim community wants the game to play like other WW2 flight sims, and not WW2 mario kart.
I am part of the flight sim community, and no, I do not want that. So there goes "The whole". If you want to play it like other sims, I suggest you play them.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: gflyer on August 24, 2017, 04:52:34 PM
Trying to think if any of those are still viable games? RPS sucks, AvA limited sucks. My opinion much like yours is just that.
If you want those things AND AH try out one of the arenas that support it. If it was all that those arenas would be full.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: nugetx on August 24, 2017, 04:53:15 PM
I am part of the flight sim community, and no, I do not want that. So there goes "The whole". If you want to play it like other sims, I suggest you play them.
the whole which is not here, which is much bigger than what is currently here on AH
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RPS sucks, AvA limited sucks
Sure, than all the simes from past 20 years are wrong ! lol !
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Bruv119 on August 24, 2017, 04:53:46 PM
AH has the axis vs allies arena but people CHOOSE not to fly in there because they prefer the MA.
People vote with their feet. Historical scenarios and special events cater for those moments where we want to play that way. Last Saturday's 12 Hour Battle of Britain was epic and none of those other games can come close to putting up those sorts of numbers in an organised fashion. :salute
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: nugetx on August 24, 2017, 04:54:56 PM
Ok show me a ww2 flight sim apart from Aces High/Air Warrior that does not have axis vs allies and a normal RPS as a main focus.
Warbirds didn't have a RPS until HiTech sold it to iEntertainment (Will Bill's company) that later switched the game to RPS and saw a significant decline in players as a result.
The games you've listed below are single player games, with limited multiplayer that aren't on the scope of a MMO game like Aces High.
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Secret weapons of the luftwaffe - 1990 Aces of the Pacific - 1992 B-17 flying fortress - 1992 Aces over Europe - 1993 1942 Pacific Air war - 1994 European Air war - 1998 Combat Flight Simulator - 1998 Janes WW2 fighters - 1998 Luftwaffe Commander - 1999 Combat Flight Simulator 2 - 2000 IL2 sturmovik - 2001 Combat Flight Simulator 3 - 2003 Battle of Britain 2 - 2005 Cliffs of Dover - 2010 il2 Battle Of stalingrad - 2015
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Don't you see guys that by not having axis vs allies and RPS this game is shooting itself in the foot, because every flight simmer is expecting this to be like this? and all those flight simmers are not here because of this.
Again, ask yourself why the creator of Warbirds (that eventually had a RPS system) didn't add it to his new game Aces High? Why insist on a system that the majority of the players do not wish for?
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And you are telling me I want this game to play 'my way?' ? No! The whole flight sim community wants the game to play like other WW2 flight sims, and not WW2 mario kart.
The "whole flight sim community" most not want a RPS system in this game if the majority of the players do not want such a system.
Thankfully HiTech has already stated that there will be no RPS system in the Melee Arenas.
ack-ack
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Krusty on August 24, 2017, 04:59:56 PM
You're trying to prove people don't like something because people aren't here to express opinions on it...
Uhm... yeah. that's at least a few dozen logical fallacies.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: JimmyC on August 24, 2017, 05:00:20 PM
Aces high walks its own walk, come walk with us.... we dont want to go your way. TY
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: FLS on August 24, 2017, 05:03:34 PM
Ok show me a ww2 flight sim apart from Aces High/Air Warrior that does not have axis vs allies and a normal RPS as a main focus.
Now I will tell you from top of my head all the flight sims which are that
Secret weapons of the luftwaffe - 1990 Aces of the Pacific - 1992 B-17 flying fortress - 1992 Aces over Europe - 1993 1942 Pacific Air war - 1994 European Air war - 1998 Combat Flight Simulator - 1998 Janes WW2 fighters - 1998 Luftwaffe Commander - 1999 Combat Flight Simulator 2 - 2000 IL2 sturmovik - 2001 Combat Flight Simulator 3 - 2003 Battle of Britain 2 - 2005 Cliffs of Dover - 2010 il2 Battle Of stalingrad - 2015
Don't you see guys that by not having axis vs allies and RPS this game is shooting itself in the foot, because every flight simmer is expecting this to be like this? and all those flight simmers are not here because of this.
And you are telling me I want this game to play 'my way?' ? No! The whole flight sim community wants the game to play like other WW2 flight sims, and not WW2 mario kart.
Again you confuse your opinions with the facts required for an actual argument.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: nugetx on August 24, 2017, 05:06:50 PM
flight sim community" most not want a RPS system in this game if the majority of the players do not want such a system.
If this was true, every flight sim in history would be ahistorical, but it's the other way around.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Krusty on August 24, 2017, 05:10:06 PM
Aaaand you clearly didn't understand what I typed. I was saying you are making an illogical statement and backing it up with nonsense. Logic isn't a word. It's a field of study like mathematics or philosophy. There are things in logic called fallacies.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: FLS on August 24, 2017, 05:10:44 PM
We have Axis vs Allies. It's usually empty. :headscratch:
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: nugetx on August 24, 2017, 05:19:34 PM
If this was true, every flight sim in history would be ahistorical, but it's the other way around.
Because those other games try and recreate WW2 (and as I noted, those listed are primarily single player games with limited multiplayer, not a MMO like Aces High) and Aces High does not attempt to recreate WW2.
ack-ack
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: FLS on August 24, 2017, 05:31:45 PM
I'm at work and can't log in. Usually there's an arena message with details on the setup. I haven't been there in a while. I only fly Axis vs Allies in scenarios.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Copprhed on August 24, 2017, 05:45:35 PM
It's because AvA is set up for tank night. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,388855.msg5167383.html#msg5167383
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Zoney on August 24, 2017, 06:09:43 PM
It's because AvA is set up for tank night. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,388855.msg5167383.html#msg5167383
Can you please change that so Nuggy can fly early war planes in there by himself? I know there are a bunch of guys that want to do tank night but that is not what Nuggy wants to do.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Zardoz on August 24, 2017, 06:22:16 PM
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Krusty on August 25, 2017, 11:53:15 AM
I find it fascinating how we get complaints all the time about lack of a GV fight at the center or at places where GVer xyz wants to drive his tank, but over 80% of all sorties have been in the top-ranked GVs. The M3 isn't just a troop transport, you know? I used to like tooling around at really high speeds in it to use the tank destroyer version against other tanks. Aaaaand then flipping over because I was going 50mph and hit a bump in the terrain that wasn't flat-on. I assume that still happens often, hence the high number of sorties. Speed is life when you're in the air. It kinda hurts when you're in a GV.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Skuzzy on August 25, 2017, 11:57:03 AM
[...]. The M3 isn't just a troop transport, you know? I used to like tooling around at really high speeds in it to use the tank destroyer version against other tanks. Aaaaand then flipping over because I was going 50mph and hit a bump in the terrain that wasn't flat-on. I assume that still happens often, hence the high number of sorties.
M-3 being as a combat vehicle is very rare. The vast majority of M-3 sorties are resupply runs.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Krusty on August 25, 2017, 12:23:45 PM
But, the flipping over? It is still the bane of every M3 driver's existence? :rofl
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Lusche on August 25, 2017, 12:24:31 PM
Even with that people will still say I have no proof and I'm wrong for thinking Town resupply is the worst thing for combat in game....35% of the time players arent participating in combat...they are participating in logistics which is not combat :rofl
30% of gv sorties were in an m3
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: JunkyII on August 25, 2017, 01:51:59 PM
See rule #2
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Bruv119 on August 25, 2017, 03:54:02 PM
if you ever needed statistical as to why m3 resupply is ruining the game you have it right there. :aok
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: oboe on August 25, 2017, 05:39:43 PM
DO M3 cargo loads have equal game effects as the C-47? Seems like a M-3 cargo load should only be 1/4 of what the C-47 can haul...
But that would probably just mean even more M3s.
I think they should make those Opel cargo trucks in the hangar drivable, and have them be the cargo haulers (at a lower speed over rough terrain). Give them a formation option - like bombers; you get a couple of drone trucks that will follow your truck around and drop supplies when you drop. Maybe perk them with a small value too.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Lusche on August 25, 2017, 05:46:26 PM
Top fighters from Hitechs post...... the usual planes..... please perk them.....
Planes plus the skill and experience to use them competently. You omitted to acknowledge this part. Look at the P-38 up there (for instance). Do you think an inexperienced or unknowlegeable player could achieve that? Even the vaunted Spixteen does not have an auto-combat button. You're arguing that they should be restricted because they make good sticks more effective, that's a lesser facet. And we as a community already have that covered by derision and insult.
Perk my Ki-84 and I'd quit immediately because I have a years-long symbiotic relationship with that virtual machine. Why would I spend hours of my leisure time flying some early war bag of junk to gather perk points to fly my main reason for playing AH in the first place. Before ragging on my ride, do you even know, for instance, how I fly it in the MA? What I do with it? No. Because your thinking is replete with unsubstantiated assumptions and omissions.
You know Nugetx, perhaps you've got this all cart before horse. Instead of trying to change AH to conform to 'everything else' why don't you take some time to try to understand what it is and why - almost uniquely - it has lasted for sooooo long.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 26, 2017, 02:58:11 AM
Top fighters from Hitechs post...... the usual planes..... please perk them.....
This is ridiculous. There is always going to be a top 10 planes/vehicles. You cannot stop it. Given your mentality in this, you would have every plane perked.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: zack1234 on August 26, 2017, 06:14:47 AM
It is?
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: JunkyII on August 26, 2017, 09:33:02 AM
Top fighters from Hitechs post...... the usual planes..... please perk them.....
Shida just confirmed what I said.... about you should play the game....Then come to us about changes....
Also don't forget about the custom arena that you can create for free...Be sure to drop us a line about how your rolling plane set is doing :aok
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Becinhu on August 26, 2017, 10:15:09 AM
A D-hog? Really? It's a glorified bomb truck. I mean at least make a decent argument....I'm sure the 1-A has far superior numbers.
Nick and ki84....niki is a torch, ki84 is a good dog fighter but can't take many hits.
38L....decent dogfighter (J is far better), bomb truck.
I've been seeing large numbers of fm2s since they were updated....they need perked now....
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Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: waystin2 on August 26, 2017, 10:33:49 AM
The biggest board troll to come along in quite a while has once again created another RPS/Perk styled thread. Stop talking to nutty nugget. Hitech and Skuzzy both have actually responded to his ideas with a no and he keeps bringing them up. I am going to add him to my ignore list if I see one more thread hijack or thread involving RPS/Perks/Limiting plane access in Melee arena.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: icepac on August 26, 2017, 10:46:32 AM
P38 numbers are skewed because it often shows up 10 at a time at a field take and many of those "victories" are because of the overwhelming numbers advantage pounding guys trying to up underneath them.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: gflyer on August 26, 2017, 11:32:07 AM
Unless I have read something wrong those %'s are for total of sorties flown, Nothing to do with K/D.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: puller on August 26, 2017, 11:40:06 AM
I have a different experience. Lots of pilot wounds, true.
Well honestly it is an anomaly plane. Sometimes a couple of pings make it fall apart. Other times it has full rear deflector shields. And most of its pilots are quite good in it...not a noob ride by any stretch.
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Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: nrshida on August 26, 2017, 01:07:19 PM
If someone can't see the problem that 5 planes are used 90% of time where there are 50 planes I can't make him see the problem.
I was driving down the highway the other day and 90% of the vehicles were built after 2010!! Where are the model Ts??!!!
The government should change the rules of the road so that a perfect cross section of all cars ever built is on the road at all times. Make people drive more Edsels!!!
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Petey on August 30, 2017, 01:19:34 PM
Perk the Stuka !
seriously.... there was a post on another section of the boards that has the some thing going on for the P-47 M.
I fly this "Late War Monster" and die often. Just because a pilot is flying a particular ride well or, a group of pilots for that matter does not justify that it needs to be perked.
Nut up and get good in your ride of choice and go kill with it.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Twizzty on August 30, 2017, 01:35:36 PM
I was driving down the highway the other day and 90% of the vehicles were built after 2010!! Where are the model Ts??!!!
The government should change the rules of the road so that a perfect cross section of all cars ever built is on the road at all times. Make people drive more Edsels!!!
Haha
The DMV would assign you "score" based on driving history, violations, accidents, ext. and if you have a higher score(better driver) you are required to drive an older/worse car. :uhoh
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: AAIK on September 06, 2017, 10:28:52 AM
This is ridiculous. There is always going to be a top 10 planes/vehicles. You cannot stop it. Given your mentality in this, you would have every plane perked.
I don't understand what you mean skuzzy, explain?
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Lusche on September 06, 2017, 10:46:58 AM
I can. The OP complained about the top 10 planes being more used than others and thus requesting a perk cost on them. However, it is the nature of things that there will always be a top 10 of 'free' planes being used more than others, so by that logic you would end up with perking them all.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: AAIK on September 06, 2017, 11:02:34 AM
I can. The OP complained about the top 10 planes being more used than others and thus requesting a perk cost on them. However, it is the nature of things that there will always be a top 10 of 'free' planes being used more than others, so by that logic you would end up with perking them all.
Knowing HTC, if they perked them; they would be soo cheap that they would still be the same top 10 (like the t34/85)! That is why I can't make sense of it.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: puller on September 06, 2017, 11:04:22 AM
Knowing HTC, if they perked them; they would be soo cheap that they would still be the same top 10 (like the t34/85)! That is why I can't make sense of it.
Troll detected.... :noid
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: AAIK on September 06, 2017, 11:13:11 AM
Knowing HTC, if they perked them; they would be soo cheap that they would still be the same top 10 (like the t34/85)! That is why I can't make sense of it.
When those planes would still be the most used, what would be the point of the perk tag then?
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: AAIK on September 06, 2017, 11:17:36 AM
When those planes would still be the most used, what would be the point of the perk tag then?
I dunno man, perks (fighter) accumulate like rodents in a grain silo. Have too many to possibly even use and I know its the same for alot of others out there.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Lusche on September 06, 2017, 11:34:17 AM
I said other people have the issue as well (We talk about it sometimes). Perks have little/no worth as an in-game currency.
I don't get what the problem is with that. After all, perks are not an in game currency. Perks were devised to control the usage of potentially unbalancing rides on a global scale. When you have so many of them that it doesn't matter to you personally, what's the problem?
I said other people have the issue as well (We talk about it sometimes). Perks have little/no worth as an in-game currency.
What about you luchse, lets hear how many you have.
Puller: The p38L has that amazing zoom climb, it trumps all other planes in that respect.
:rofl 38L perk... Hint: There's a reason most guys fly the J. But L is higher, so it must be better right?
Perks have little to no worth if you are above average and play a lot/for a long time. People who don't don't accumulate them nearly as quickly or in as large quantities. I know a lot of people who have been around for years but don't play that often that still scrape to get a 262 together, particularly if they lose one every once in a while.
Wiley.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: AAIK on September 06, 2017, 11:45:04 AM
I don't get what the problem is with that. After all, perks are not an in game currency. Perks were devised to control the usage of potentially unbalancing rides on a global scale. When you have so many of them that it doesn't matter to you personally, what's the problem?
Fighter: 82.46 Bomber: 175.21 Vehicle: 34.47
As soon as I get to ~300 bomber perkies again, it's B-29 time.
Well I guess you did just start flying again. Saw you online the first time in ages the other day!
I guess some of us just wish we had something more to spend the perkies on. You end up with hundreds/thousands after a while and it all seems very trivial.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: AAIK on September 06, 2017, 11:46:36 AM
Well I guess you did just start flying again. Saw you online the first time in ages the other day!
I guess some of us just wish we had something more to spend the perkies on. You end up with hundreds/thousands after a while and it all seems very trivial.
And... how precisely would your gameplay experience be improved if you had to use one to fly a P51D?
Wiley.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Lusche on September 06, 2017, 11:56:57 AM
Puller: The p38L has that amazing zoom climb, it trumps all other planes in that respect.
No offense but that comment shows you really haven't flown the P-38 (any of them) for any appreciable time to get to know what it is and isn't capable of. In no way does the P-38L warrant being perked in any fashion, other than perked ordnance. Yes, it is a good zoom climb and good in the hands of someone that knows how to fly it but that hardly is any reason to call for it to be perked.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: wil3ur on September 06, 2017, 01:05:46 PM
Would be a rough estimate. Too low to be and barrier for anyone, really.
There is no reason to perk any of these planes, especially the P38-L and FW190-D which are both Midwar planes at best.
The 190D is almost exclusively used to BnZ and the 38L is almost exclusively as a ground attack aircraft.
BnZ is easily defendable and 9 out of 10 38L's crash into the ground because they can't pull out of a compressed dive... Why perk those at all?
I've had amazing fights in a KI61 against a KI84 and did not feel disadvantaged... same with the P51 and the N1K... the 61 is a 35ENY plane.
Spit XVI is low top end speed compared to most LW rides and the F4U-1D is also nothing more than a bombtruck who's overall performance does not have any major advantages over any MW or LW planes.
Yak3 is very low ammunition and fairly slow. It's great at flat turns and has good climb. If you know this, it's easily defendable.
So by what logic are you saying these should be perked? Just because they are being used, and nothing to do with their actual performance? This is just silly.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: wil3ur on September 06, 2017, 01:34:44 PM
Please disregard the B26 numbers -- I happened into an unfortunate vulch and got the majority of those in one sortie... I felt bad, but to quote the great Bobandy, mans gotta eat.
Even without the B26's, I have a positive K/D ratio in a KI61 -- I have no problem killing LA7s, P51s, P47M's and all sorts of other crazy rides in this lowly 35ENY plane. Why again do these need to be perked?
Melee Tour 211 Kills by gerBlnTz in a Ki-61-I-Tei by model type Model Type Kills Percent B-24J 3 3.261 B-25H 1 1.087 B-26B 23 25.000 Bf 109G-14 1 1.087 Bf 109K-4 3 3.261 Brewster B-239 1 1.087 F4U-1D 1 1.087 F6F-5 3 3.261 Fw 190A-8 1 1.087 Fw 190F-8 1 1.087 He 111H 3 3.261 Ki-84-Ia 3 3.261 La-5FN 2 2.174 La-7 5 5.435 Lancaster III 5 5.435 M-16 1 1.087 M-3 1 1.087 M-8 1 1.087 M4A3(75) 2 2.174 P-38G 2 2.174 P-47-D40 2 2.174 P-47M 3 3.261 P-47N 1 1.087 P-51B 1 1.087 P-51D 5 5.435 Panzer IV H 1 1.087 SeaFire 1 1.087 Spitfire Mk IX 2 2.174 Spitfire Mk VIII 2 2.174 Spitfire Mk XVI 1 1.087 T-34/85 2 2.174 TU-2S 1 1.087 Wirbelwind 4 4.348 Yak-3 2 2.174 Yak-9U 1 1.087 92 Kills
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: ACE on September 06, 2017, 01:40:05 PM
There is no reason to perk any of these planes, especially the P38-L and FW190-D which are both Midwar planes at best.
The 190D is almost exclusively used to BnZ and the 38L is almost exclusively as a ground attack aircraft.
BnZ is easily defendable and 9 out of 10 38L's crash into the ground because they can't pull out of a compressed dive... Why perk those at all?
I've had amazing fights in a KI61 against a KI84 and did not feel disadvantaged... same with the P51 and the N1K... the 61 is a 35ENY plane.
Spit XVI is low top end speed compared to most LW rides and the F4U-1D is also nothing more than a bombtruck who's overall performance does not have any major advantages over any MW or LW planes.
Yak3 is very low ammunition and fairly slow. It's great at flat turns and has good climb. If you know this, it's easily defendable.
So by what logic are you saying these should be perked? Just because they are being used, and nothing to do with their actual performance? This is just silly.
I agree with all of this except the 190d9 part. That plane is far more capable that just BnZ. I'm assuming you haven't flown against someone with even a "decent" amount of skill. That roll rate will surprise several people using it in a tight scissor.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Wiley on September 06, 2017, 01:50:33 PM
I agree with all of this except the 190d9 part. That plane is far more capable that just BnZ. I'm assuming you haven't flown against someone with even a "decent" amount of skill. That roll rate will surprise several people using it in a tight scissor.
True, but you've got to have a ton of familiarity with it to do anything other than BnZ in it. Kind of like the P47 line. And if you get it too slow in a turnfight you've got a lot less options than you do in most other planes.
Honestly I think the D9's ENY could stand to be a bit lower but it doesn't deserve a perk.
Wiley.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Vinkman on September 06, 2017, 01:58:52 PM
The premise of this thread makes no sense. % Fun to fight.....What the hell does that mean? does it imply that planes in the 10%-Fun-To-fight-vs box are less fun to fight than planes that are in the 90% box?
P-38L is at 10%-Fun-to-fight. Which is less fun than fighting a C-47, or a P-40? That is rubbish on its face. And since the whole perk idea is based on the validity of that metric, the whole idea is rubbish. :salute
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: ACE on September 06, 2017, 01:59:41 PM
True, but you've got to have a ton of familiarity with it to do anything other than BnZ in it. Kind of like the P47 line. And if you get it too slow in a turnfight you've got a lot less options than you do in most other planes.
Honestly I think the D9's ENY could stand to be a bit lower but it doesn't deserve a perk.
Wiley.
I'm with ya here. Lower the eny. But no perk. La7 should have a 3 gun perk option. That's a little strong lol.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: nugetx on September 07, 2017, 04:11:45 PM
The premise of this thread makes no sense. % Fun to fight.....What the hell does that mean? does it imply that planes in the 10%-Fun-To-fight-vs box are less fun to fight than planes that are in the 90% box?
P-38L is at 10%-Fun-to-fight. Which is less fun than fighting a C-47, or a P-40? That is rubbish on its face. And since the whole perk idea is based on the validity of that metric, the whole idea is rubbish. :salute
Think about how fun it is to fight a 262 in a spit 1 for the pilot in spit 1.
Do i need to tell you all the details ?
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: Skuzzy on September 07, 2017, 04:18:19 PM
But the 262 is a perk plane. Problem solved.
Title: Re: So i'm seeing late war monsters all the time
Post by: JimmyC on September 07, 2017, 06:05:22 PM
nugget, let me know if you need a new stick your must be worn out by now..that horse has been pulverized.