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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Blinky on September 04, 2017, 03:22:52 PM
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I've played this game on and off for about 8 years now, as I am by no means a pilot or have any kind of pilots experience (as also AH is the only flight sim I've played) The curve can be a bit taunting for me. I am a very competitive gamer, so it really becomes frustrating getting caught in situations and having no idea how to counter, or survive... Since a young age I have been fascinated with the German aspect of WW2 (strictly military, and non political obviously) so the 109's have always been my exclusive planes. Every once in a while I'll get bored and up a 152 or LA-7 for base defense, but almost 97% you'll catch me in a 109. With that being said, I still don't quite understand most ACM or tactics. I must say, my aim is above average, though that doesn't help much when you miss the few snapshot opportunities I get - if any. I would simply like to possibly observe, learn, and progress from a good 109 pilot, as there aren't many left (that I'm aware of) that have the patience, or time for a young learner. I don't necessarily mean 24/7 babysitting, but more of some 1v1's / winging as there aren't many that heed the DA call anymore, and all my old squadies have since left/been banned.. (lol) I understand that most 109's are best with speed, but i usually get caught turning, and trying to pull too much lead, as when I try to BnZ them, simply overshooting me get's old. Sorry for the novel, but if you read this and have the time, I would much appreciate some help. I really feel I could climb the ranks with a little direction, as a young whipper-snapper. Thanks! :rock
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I think you just need to appreciate how speed and available g determine your max turn, how gravity and drag from lift affect speed, and when to use lead and lag pursuit.
You don't need a 109 pilot for that. What's specific to the 109 is how it compares to the opposing aircraft.
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@FLS
(not sure if that's how to correctly reply to someone)
That's a huge problem I have, differnciating between lead, and lag pursuit.
Also, as I said I am by no means a pilot, though I grasp the physics of what you said I can't really translate that to in-game knowledge...
And thanks for the reply! :)
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You can use the quote button or type FLS or just post after mine. Usually you don't need to specify unless others have responded first or the topic has diverged.
So when's a good time for you to train for an hour?
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You can use the quote button or type FLS or just post after mine. Usually you don't need to specify unless others have responded first or the topic has diverged.
So when's a good time for you to train for an hour?
is today okay? I will be off work in about 20, as it is 4:10 pm CST here. So.. 5:30 CST perhaps?
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Also, to anyone else who may read this, I am not exactly looking for a squad but a wing-man who prefers the 109 would be awesome!
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You can use the quote button or type FLS or just post after mine. Usually you don't need to specify unless others have responded first or the topic has diverged.
So when's a good time for you to train for an hour?
Will this be a good time?
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Today I'm pretty busy. I work nights so next weekend is probably best. Another trainer may be able to make it sooner. If next weekend is good for you post a day and time after 11 AM CST.
Here's a little reading that may help.
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/80-tactics/fighter/1073-lead-lag-and-pure-pursuit
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/89-tactics/advanced-flight-concepts/1076-turning
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a tip that might be useful for flying the K4 is don't be afraid to throttle back when you are going for a shot. the K4 compresses like crazy and it makes shooting hard. and make sure you keep the fight in the vertical that's where it really shines. it has an absurd climb rate and acceleration.
the next link comes from the wiki which I love to read and recommend to all players.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/Bf_109K-4
I hope you found this useful :cheers:
DutchVII
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Oh yes, i'm familiar with that beautiful engine! It's gotten me out of a pickle more than once. I have read up on the K-4 and the G-14. I'm just a lot better learning by example. (in-game). I guess I understand the mechanics of the planes, my problem is i have trouble applying them in-game. I struggle the hardest defensively, i always catch myself trying to knife fight, and flat turn. there are just basics that i'm missing and have been taught in the past by great pilots, but now i'm really ready to hunker down and learn. Basic things like a high/low yo yo, and when and how to properly revers, wingover into a snapshot.. Just need some good ole duels. I learn 75% better when i die instead of in the training arena where i keep flying. I still love the TA and spend time hanging out. Can catch me in there a lot :)
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Blinky, when you catch me online in game, holler at me if ya wanna go to the DA or wing some sorties together with you in whatever 109 model you want to fly
I saw you asked over ch 200 the other night if anyone wanted to DA... had I known it was for the reasons of this post, i would have gladly helped you out
that was my first time seeing you on that shared vox channel and I figured you was playing winging with some of the others...
If you find it hard to get with one of the Trainers, let me know and i will schedule some times to meet up with you
(EDIT: I know Morfiend is in the TA normally around 9 PM EDT to 11 pm most week nights, and FLS depending on his work schedule is usually a little later, unless his shift has changed... SIK1 is in there at times also.......I think a few of the Trainers are dealing with some real Life stuff currently, so I just figured i'd offer ya a hand, since I haven't seen any others posting...helping them out as well <S> )
hope This helps
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TC
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Blinky, when you catch me online in game, holler at me if ya wanna go to the DA or wing some sorties together with you in whatever 109 model you want to fly
I saw you asked over ch 200 the other night if anyone wanted to DA... had I known it was for the reasons of this post, i would have gladly helped you out
that was my first time seeing you on that shared vox channel and I figured you was playing winging with some of the others...
If you find it hard to get with one of the Trainers, let me know and i will schedule some times to meet up with you
hope This helps
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TC
Sure thing! Thanks man. I'll try to see if I can catch you sometime.
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I think you just need to appreciate how speed and available g determine your max turn, how gravity and drag from lift affect speed, and when to use lead and lag pursuit.
I do not completely agree with this remark. Indeed those are fundamentals but there are possibilities / peculiarities especially concerning the 30-mm K-4 / G-14 that were the domain of about two-dozen master sticks. As you've observed they are almost extinct. I do not think Joach1m does any training. If you're lucky you might catch DrSpek on a free day. As far as I can determine all the K$-Muppets have now retired. I think Vinkman and perhaps a few others were becoming K-4-adepts but I do not know if they continued from the end of AH2.
Concentrating on intermediate BFM / ACM would be all round beneficial and a good place to start. Further a search of YouTube might gather some matrix-code secrets. Sobering thought actually, that all the K-4 masters have gone. The knowledge might have passed with them.
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I do not completely agree with this remark. Indeed those are fundamentals but there are possibilities / peculiarities especially concerning the 30-mm K-4 / G-14 that were the domain of about two-dozen master sticks. As you've observed they are almost extinct. I do not think Joach1m does any training. If you're lucky you might catch DrSpek on a free day. As far as I can determine all the K$-Muppets have now retired. I think Vinkman and perhaps a few others were becoming K-4-adepts but I do not know if they continued from the end of AH2.
Concentrating on intermediate BFM / ACM would be all round beneficial and a good place to start. Further a search of YouTube might gather some matrix-code secrets. Sobering thought actually, that all the K-4 masters have gone. The knowledge might have passed with them.
I'm afraid you hit the nail with the head on that one... I have previously flown with Anarchy, who really got me into the K4, and a few more awesome K4 pilots i can't quite remember. I believe Violator was one, and Poison was great in one also. They showed me a little bit, though that was so many years ago I've basically lost what I had learned. I don't see the k4 or G14 much anymore, but being my favorite two planes I would love to bring some of that knowledge back to be able to pass on.
Thanks for the reply :)
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Another thing, what I'm looking for the most is... An evaluation if you will. I feel I can fare up pretty well in most 1v1 scenarios (though those don't come around often) most people wing up or run sadly. Not everyone though. I can still get a few great fights but it's really hard for me to learn in the MA because there's too many distractions. I want to get an even 1v1 just to kind of see where I am.. What I need to work on and what I am okay in. I can't really say i can do this or cant do that, because I don't really know what I do. Lol. I just do what feels right, and when its wrong, I die and re-up. In the DA i can get input on why I died, and how to prevent it. That's what I really would like. And again, the TA Is awesome but again when you take the factor of dying out, it really doesn't allow me to capitalize on my mistake.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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By saying I've been playing for 8 years, when i was 12 years old playing for me was a 3 hour bombing run at 30k that missed the target by 3 miles, and driving tanks in first gear. LOL. I played again at like 18 for a few months, and now am back again. Never spending more than a few months at a time.
Easy fellas'... No need to compare cannon sizes. I never meant to start any conflict. We're all frienemies' here :)
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No worries, we have plenty of players who have played for years and don't understand the basics well enough to explain what they do in a fight. Don't take it personally. :D It just illustrates the point of learning what to practice before you practice.
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Oh yessir, no offense taken. I just didn't want you to think I've played steadily for 8 years and can't recognize the difference Lol.
I just seem to have a hard time applying what someones is telling me while I'm trying to out fly them/ train with them.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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I never meant to start any conflict.
You didn't.
We're all frienemies' here :)
No we aren't.
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Exactly how is this conversation that has digressed helpful to the guy needing help?
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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Anyone online right now and want to go a few?
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See Rule #4
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I've played this game on and off for about 8 years now, as I am by no means a pilot or have any kind of pilots experience (as also AH is the only flight sim I've played) The curve can be a bit taunting for me. I am a very competitive gamer, so it really becomes frustrating getting caught in situations and having no idea how to counter, or survive... Since a young age I have been fascinated with the German aspect of WW2 (strictly military, and non political obviously) so the 109's have always been my exclusive planes. Every once in a while I'll get bored and up a 152 or LA-7 for base defense, but almost 97% you'll catch me in a 109. With that being said, I still don't quite understand most ACM or tactics. I must say, my aim is above average, though that doesn't help much when you miss the few snapshot opportunities I get - if any. I would simply like to possibly observe, learn, and progress from a good 109 pilot, as there aren't many left (that I'm aware of) that have the patience, or time for a young learner. I don't necessarily mean 24/7 babysitting, but more of some 1v1's / winging as there aren't many that heed the DA call anymore, and all my old squadies have since left/been banned.. (lol) I understand that most 109's are best with speed, but i usually get caught turning, and trying to pull too much lead, as when I try to BnZ them, simply overshooting me get's old. Sorry for the novel, but if you read this and have the time, I would much appreciate some help. I really feel I could climb the ranks with a little direction, as a young whipper-snapper. Thanks! :rock
Give me a few days to find some old post of mine. I've written a few longer write ups about the 109s. I also have a great film from the last combat challenge of me flying the G14 the whole time. I'll send you that when I get to my comp. It may be useful to watch to see how to fight in furballs and maintain SA, while also getting kills. The 109 is one of the best counter puncher planes in the game. Learning defensive tactics like loaded rolls and getting opportunities for quick snap shots are a few keys to success. Learning to set up snapshots is extremely important for 109s. Throttle management (can't simply zoom dive around 500mph everywhere) and entering/escaping the furball are also very important tactics to the 109.
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Give me a few days to find some old post of mine. I've written a few longer write ups about the 109s. I also have a great film from the last combat challenge of me flying the G14 the whole time. I'll send you that when I get to my comp. It may be useful to watch to see how to fight in furballs and maintain SA, while also getting kills. The 109 is one of the best counter puncher planes in the game. Learning defensive tactics like loaded rolls and getting opportunities for quick snap shots are a few keys to success. Learning to set up snapshots is extremely important for 109s. Throttle management (can't simply zoom dive around 500mph everywhere) and entering/escaping the furball are also very important tactics to the 109.
YES! Been "VIOLATED" by this "tater" chucking guy,more than I want to admit! He winged up with one of my squad mates, for a session about how to fly the 109. Was BWDelta. He had nothing but exhalations about their time together. Not to crap on any other 109 sticks but if I wanted to milk someones brain, would be Violator's. He gets my vote mainly because he is well above average in every ride I have ever seen him in. :rock Plus I may just be trying to curry favor, as in take it easy on me? :uhoh Seriously though, he is a class act and while not a trainer...I think he should be! On a different note. I know you are quite competitive but might want to ease up on the 200 vox. Just my opinion, You will attract more bees with honey, type thing. Its not that I see you taunting or bragging, but you are a wee bit antagonistic at times. I was in there with you yesterday, with the He who shall not be mentioned discussion happened but maybe just let it go before it gets too heated? Most of us have the same type of personality on this game and you wont change any minds, so why keep it going after it becomes so snarky? Not judging ONE BIT, just some advice :old: :salute
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Give me a few days to find some old post of mine. I've written a few longer write ups about the 109s. I also have a great film from the last combat challenge of me flying the G14 the whole time. I'll send you that when I get to my comp. It may be useful to watch to see how to fight in furballs and maintain SA, while also getting kills. The 109 is one of the best counter puncher planes in the game. Learning defensive tactics like loaded rolls and getting opportunities for quick snap shots are a few keys to success. Learning to set up snapshots is extremely important for 109s. Throttle management (can't simply zoom dive around 500mph everywhere) and entering/escaping the furball are also very important tactics to the 109.
That would be awesome man, and highly appreciated! When I was referring to some oldie goldie 109 sticks, you were one of them.. I just haven't seen you online myself. I remember you going up a few against anarchy back in the day and it would be awesome even watching you two dish it out. I look forward to it! Thanks again. <S>
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I forgot to add - I can usually fare up pretty well in any 1 versus 1 situation (with reverses and counters and snapshots) however it's when the stick behind me is far better, and holds out enough to get me low and slow. That's when I start panicking, and losing control. Once I've l lost my E and Alt with them on my six I tend to panick, climb at an angle, and try to wingover. It's a 50/50 sometimes they will overshoot, and sometimes they wont and I die. Not sure what else to do in said situation though.