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Title: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 04, 2018, 08:26:56 PM
    I just wonder what the logic in that is. 
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Lusche on March 05, 2018, 01:48:13 AM
You don't lose WEP after refueling, it has no impact on it.
You didn't mean "reconjnect" perchance?
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 05, 2018, 07:54:06 AM
   Gee whiz. maybe, I don't know..... After I refuel for the 5 or 6th time.  My WEP doesn't work. Maybe the button moved. on the Mk14. Tempest and Hellcat.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Lusche on March 05, 2018, 08:08:06 AM
You simply ran out of WEP during your long sorties.
The Tempest has a maximum total WEP time of 8 minutes (max continous of 5mins, 'cooldown' 10mins nominally), the Spit XIV a maximum total WEP time of 10 minutes (max continous 5mins, cooldown 17 mins)
Once the total WEP time has been used up, it's gone. You got to start a new sortie (=fresh plane) if you want to have WEP again.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 05, 2018, 08:31:07 PM
  No  WEP fails to work any time after the refuel. I would assume If I had WEP the 4th time I expended It and refueld and got it back, I would have It the 6th and 7th.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Zoney on March 05, 2018, 10:24:18 PM
I rearm, refuel in the same plane all the time.  My Wep always works no matter how many times I rearm, unless I've used it up.  Wep does not get reloaded/filled up each time you rearm/refuel.  Once you have used it all up then you have to tower out and get a new plane to have Wep again.

Rodbuster, are you confused about what gets reloaded when you refuel?  Wep does not get reloaded.
Or, are you reporting a bug and you think that your wep is just gone because you refueled?
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Lusche on March 06, 2018, 01:18:27 AM
  No  WEP fails to work any time after the refuel. I would assume If I had WEP the 4th time I expended It and refueld and got it back, I would have It the 6th and 7th.


WEP does not get reloaded by refueling.

Once the total WEP time has been used up, it's gone. You got to start a new sortie (=fresh plane) if you want to have WEP again.

Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 06, 2018, 10:23:42 AM
     Hence My point, What is the logic in not reloading WEP?   We get fuel and ammo like real planes did, But They also got  oil water metenol and or nitrous too..... So why don't We get It?
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: atlau on March 06, 2018, 10:41:11 AM
Do they fill your oil and water backup when you hit the rearm pad with an oil and radiator hit?

It would be nice to get WEP back. Or you could just get a new plane.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Karnak on March 06, 2018, 11:01:32 AM
     Hence My point, What is the logic in not reloading WEP?   We get fuel and ammo like real planes did, But They also got  oil water metenol and or nitrous too..... So why don't We get It?
Merlin, Griffon and Allison engines didn't use additives for WEP.  There is nothing to restock on those.  In reality they could run WEP until the engine broke or they ran out of fuel.  For game reasons they have total WEP per sortie hard limited.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 06, 2018, 01:08:34 PM
    Gee Whiz Atlau.  Stating the obvious..... Great minds do think alike... No kidding.  I usually choose to keep my plane until it is war weary like a real pilot would "simulator...... virtual reality".   And  It helps when ENY  prevents from upping in the same model plane, increases K/D ratio and helps to complete achievments.  Not getting WEP resupplied is a great hindrance  especially when you go 1 v2 or 3 in  simulated combat. planes like the Mk 14  go up against P51s and K4s.    So back to My question.  "Why isn't the WEP resupplied".
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vraciu on March 06, 2018, 01:26:53 PM
Merlin, Griffon and Allison engines didn't use additives for WEP.  There is nothing to restock on those.  In reality they could run WEP until the engine broke or they ran out of fuel.  For game reasons they have total WEP per sortie hard limited.

Should be changed.  The Merlin limit is way too low.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 06, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
So back to My question.  "Why isn't the WEP resupplied".

Probably a game play concession so people can't fly around with virtually unlimited WEP.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vraciu on March 06, 2018, 01:46:26 PM
Probably a game play concession so people can't fly around with virtually unlimited WEP.

That makes the most sense as an explanation. 
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Mister Fork on March 06, 2018, 01:50:44 PM
That makes the most sense as an explanation. 
It does...but why?  If you really want WEP, and the game disallows it through re-arm, a player will just end their sortie and take up a new plane. WEP restored.

Maybe it's just a miss on HTC part?  I really don't think HTC would intentionally limit a players ability to have WEP available simply because you rearmed your airplane. If it does, it's a bug - or if it's intentional, this is a Wishlist item.

Either way, someone who wants it should post it in either/or/both places, not here so that HTC and Skuzzy can give it the attention it needs.  I'm indifferent as I rarely live long enough to rearm.  :D
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: wil3ur on March 06, 2018, 03:07:58 PM
It's really not an issue if you use it as it's name implies, in an emergency.

I can't remember the last time I ran out of WEP in a plane.    :old:
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: icepac on March 06, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
Ack Ack is correct.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vraciu on March 06, 2018, 08:09:49 PM
It does...but why?  If you really want WEP, and the game disallows it through re-arm, a player will just end their sortie and take up a new plane. WEP restored.

Maybe it's just a miss on HTC part?  I really don't think HTC would intentionally limit a players ability to have WEP available simply because you rearmed your airplane. If it does, it's a bug - or if it's intentional, this is a Wishlist item.

Either way, someone who wants it should post it in either/or/both places, not here so that HTC and Skuzzy can give it the attention it needs.  I'm indifferent as I rarely live long enough to rearm.  :D

Beats me.  Frankly I thought the unlimted WEP with a temperature limit was fine for the Merlins.    Made sense.    This is just........well.........arbi trary I guess.   :headscratch: 
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: atlau on March 06, 2018, 09:02:36 PM
I think the OP wants to be able to rearm and have WEP even if ENY subsequently increases and would normally prevent him from reupping a Temp. So maybe the gameplay concession is a good thing. No need to have Temps hording.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 06, 2018, 09:15:38 PM
  So this is a game and not a simulator..... I get It.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: atlau on March 06, 2018, 10:22:55 PM
Yes. It would take much longer to rearm than 30" in real life
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 07, 2018, 02:04:45 AM
  So this is a game and not a simulator..... I get It.

This has always been considered a game and as such game play concessions need to be made. 
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Zimme83 on March 07, 2018, 04:33:57 AM
But still weird that american merlins have better Wep than british merlins despite being the same engines..
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: icepac on March 07, 2018, 07:13:38 PM
Actually, the tolerances of the american merlins were more consistent in the ability to swap parts and not have to spend much time machining parts that should be interchangeable......but weren't.

It's one thing that america gave back to rolls royce.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Karnak on March 08, 2018, 07:38:35 PM
Actually, the tolerances of the american merlins were more consistent in the ability to swap parts and not have to spend much time machining parts that should be interchangeable......but weren't.

It's one thing that america gave back to rolls royce.
Still doesn't explain the difference.  Spitfire Mk XVI uses and American Merlin but follows the same British WEP rules.

There are also numerous accounts of British Merlins being run far beyond the limits in the pilot's handbooks.

I expect it is due to the different language in the pilots handbooks between the US and UK planes.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 11, 2018, 11:04:21 AM
 So more fantasy and less realistic simulator.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 11, 2018, 11:05:08 AM
It would be nice to have someone with actual intel on My question to weigh in.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: wil3ur on March 11, 2018, 11:46:28 AM
Wep is. Not required to win fights
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: atlau on March 11, 2018, 12:38:54 PM
So more fantasy and less realistic simulator.

Werent you asking for a digital rate of climb indicator on your HUD?

Make up your mind...
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vulcan on March 11, 2018, 02:18:23 PM
Fly a Yak and it's not an issue.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Karnak on March 11, 2018, 03:12:04 PM
Wep is. Not required to win fights
Required, no, but it makes it a hell of a lot easier in some planes.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vraciu on March 11, 2018, 03:58:31 PM
It would be nice to have someone with actual intel on My question to weigh in.


 :huh
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vraciu on March 11, 2018, 03:59:18 PM
Werent you asking for a digital rate of climb indicator on your HUD?

Make up your mind...

#BURN

#RodBUSTED

Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: wil3ur on March 11, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
Werent you asking for a digital rate of climb indicator on your HUD?

Make up your mind...

Someone died so is on a rant about how the game cheated him out of death because of well known and long running game mechanics that won't be changed.  GV Dar also laser guides bombs to target, and HiTech made base taking impossible without the use of m3's for a month.  :old:
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 13, 2018, 09:53:39 AM
   I like to keep My planes as long as I can and when ENY goes high It can be nice to keep a late model crate. also as stated before, Sometimes multiple hops are needed to accomplish some achievements.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 13, 2018, 09:55:33 AM
   And vraciu that makes no sense to Me.  It doesn't mean unlimited WEP, It means the same degree of WEP after every refuel-rearm.  Just like getting a new crate.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: atlau on March 13, 2018, 10:03:49 AM
Again, when ENY goes up you have a numerical advantage and shouldn't be allowed to fly a Tempest. So if you only lose WEP you're still gaming the whole ENY side balancing system by doing so. Reup a midwar plane and challenge yourself.



Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: wil3ur on March 13, 2018, 07:56:48 PM
1 sortie in a Ki61 will get your 50 perks back if you have acm and shooting skills beyond BnZ with hispanos :old:
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vinkman on March 27, 2018, 09:35:12 AM
This makes no sense to me.

WEP is NEVER unlimited because there is an overheat timer on it that once reached required a cool down period. So why is there a sortie limit?

If  the limit is because certain engines used water or NOS injection then the limit makes sense.
Hence I wish:

1) Only planes with a substance injection system for WEP should have total WEP time limit.
2) The substance should be reloaded at Re-Arm and the limit reset.

This idea that planes need to be forced to tower out due to WEP use sounds more like a left over mistake than game strategy.  After all, you can re-arm and get bombs on a field where ords are down. So I doubt the re-arm pad strategy was designed to limit plane capability to improve game play. I have noticed that the temperature of the engine does NOT reset during re-arm. So if your over heated when you land, you still need to wait for your engine to cool down before you get WEP capability again. Cool down is proportional to time. So if your cool down takes 10 minutes, at 5 minutes you have 50% of your WEP time back.  One could argue that the temp should reset, but for some reason, I like that you need to wait for the proper cool down time, even though a time warp allows you to re-arm in 30 sec.  :)

 :salute
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 28, 2018, 07:17:39 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: wil3ur on March 28, 2018, 07:58:38 PM
WEP is not a necessity.  If you can't win without it, you're doing it wrong. 
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vraciu on March 28, 2018, 08:53:13 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: The Fugitive on March 28, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: atlau on March 28, 2018, 09:17:15 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: wil3ur on March 29, 2018, 02:17:40 PM
All planes show +/- Gs on the dash
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 29, 2018, 07:58:36 PM
     When rearmed and refueled on the hammer head a plane should be equipped  to the same condition as when originally spawned less battle damage, period. whether one needs Wep to win or not is not the issue and if keeping a low Eny plane as long as one can, even after high ENY ratings is part of the game.  what would You want.  Just have your plane explode when the Eny rating goes up. No WEP at Refuel. Why not Give none Wep equipped   planes half the fuel and ammo loadout  to even things up..  sounds pretty silly doesn't It.    So does not getting WEP regenerated.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: The Fugitive on March 29, 2018, 08:07:19 PM
You get to fly your plane as long as you want refueling as many times as you want, no matter the ENY, you just dont get to use more WEP. Look at it as a game play concession. For some reason HTC doesnt want WEP replenished on a refuel. I think it has something to do with knocking down the advantage of extended runs. Much the same as battle damage will never get repaired on the rearm pad. You want  WEP, or a plane with no damge, end sortie and get a new one. If not, muscle through WITHOUT WEP.   
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 31, 2018, 12:38:32 AM
   I don't care. not getting WEP back  makes no common sense at all.   and to those who say You don't need WEP to play or  fight others. When other planes are the same type. it is a definate disadvantage not to have it.    sheer folly
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on March 31, 2018, 12:41:43 AM
    also then no WEp planes should be penalized too.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: save on March 31, 2018, 05:25:27 AM
    also then no WEp planes should be penalized too.

Specially the Yak3, that was known to overheat IRL.


The FW190-A8 would be ENY 30+ without WEP.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: atlau on March 31, 2018, 10:02:23 AM
Ok no rearming perk planes then if you get wep refills :p
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vinkman on April 05, 2018, 01:39:39 PM
You get to fly your plane as long as you want refueling as many times as you want, no matter the ENY, you just dont get to use more WEP. Look at it as a game play concession. For some reason HTC doesnt want WEP replenished on a refuel. I think it has something to do with knocking down the advantage of extended runs. Much the same as battle damage will never get repaired on the rearm pad. You want  WEP, or a plane with no damge, end sortie and get a new one. If not, muscle through WITHOUT WEP.

Sorry, Fugi, this position makes no sense. I can't tell if you think it's perfect logic that WEP doesn't get 're-fueled' or if you are trying to rationalize why he should just accept it. 
The non-WEP reset seems like an error, to be honest. It makes no logical sense to single out WEP as something that can't be resupplied. ALL planes don't get repaired when damaged. But 262 can rearm all day and keep it's performance because it does't have WEP. So the goal doesn;t seem to be to limit an undamaged planes ability to re-arm. If that were the goal...there would just be a re-arm limit of 1,2, 3 etc.

The logic SEEMS to be that since there is no loss of points for battle damage, or belly landing into the runway, the "Re-Arm" is THE reward for not damaging your plane. Limiting WEP removes the reward and forces a tower out. No incentive to make a "no-damage" landing at that point.  Not sure why that's a good thing.

Like I said...seems illogical and arbitrary to me.  :salute

Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Wiley on April 05, 2018, 02:22:00 PM
Like I said...seems illogical and arbitrary to me.  :salute

It seems it's intentional behavior though, as when AH3 came along, the maximum WEP times became enforced where before that it was only limited by cooldown.

*shrug*

Wiley.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: morfiend on April 05, 2018, 02:31:44 PM
There has always been a time limit on the length of time wep was allowed,it was a bug that allowed you to have basically unlimited wep,except the cool down times!

  That bug was fixed in AH3,so it is what it is!   I assume as Ackack said it's a game concession!



    :salute


PS: somewhere there's a chart of the time limits and cool down times.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vraciu on April 05, 2018, 02:53:14 PM
There has always been a time limit on the length of time wep was allowed,it was a bug that allowed you to have basically unlimited wep,except the cool down times!

  That bug was fixed in AH3,so it is what it is!   I assume as Ackack said it's a game concession!



    :salute


PS: somewhere there's a chart of the time limits and cool down times.

Why all the exclamation points?   Switch to decaf, bruh.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: The Fugitive on April 05, 2018, 03:55:49 PM
Sorry, Fugi, this position makes no sense. I can't tell if you think it's perfect logic that WEP doesn't get 're-fueled' or if you are trying to rationalize why he should just accept it. 
The non-WEP reset seems like an error, to be honest. It makes no logical sense to single out WEP as something that can't be resupplied. ALL planes don't get repaired when damaged. But 262 can rearm all day and keep it's performance because it does't have WEP. So the goal doesn;t seem to be to limit an undamaged planes ability to re-arm. If that were the goal...there would just be a re-arm limit of 1,2, 3 etc.

The logic SEEMS to be that since there is no loss of points for battle damage, or belly landing into the runway, the "Re-Arm" is THE reward for not damaging your plane. Limiting WEP removes the reward and forces a tower out. No incentive to make a "no-damage" landing at that point.  Not sure why that's a good thing.

Like I said...seems illogical and arbitrary to me.  :salute

It doesn't have to make sense to mere mortals like us, it is a game concession HTC wants and so we have it. My GUESS at the reason is that they dont want planes that have the advantage of WEP to be able to use it continuously and so limit the reload for it.

If you want the "real" reason why, call Hitech.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vinkman on April 06, 2018, 07:29:40 AM
It doesn't have to make sense to mere mortals like us, it is a game concession HTC wants and so we have it. My GUESS at the reason is that they dont want planes that have the advantage of WEP to be able to use it continuously and so limit the reload for it.

If you want the "real" reason why, call Hitech.

I'm sure he's listening.  :noid

Perhaps he'll explain the logic of it.  :salute
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Zoney on April 06, 2018, 08:58:31 AM
This is no different than the concession to give the MA a fuel burn of 2.0

Since you know how the "rules" are coded, simply play within their constraints my friends :)

And have fun
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Flyboy on April 06, 2018, 03:14:04 PM
A bit of a sidetrack but ill give it a shot
Can i reduce WEP cooldown time? If i reduce power will my engine cool faster then in full military power?
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: The Fugitive on April 06, 2018, 03:19:06 PM
A bit of a sidetrack but ill give it a shot
Can i reduce WEP cooldown time? If i reduce power will my engine cool faster then in full military power?

No, all times are solid.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: 100Coogn on April 08, 2018, 01:04:40 PM
A bit of a sidetrack but ill give it a shot
Can i reduce WEP cooldown time? If i reduce power will my engine cool faster then in full military power?

Would make a pretty good wish though.

Coogan  :aok
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vinkman on April 09, 2018, 11:37:11 AM
This is no different than the concession to give the MA a fuel burn of 2.0

Since you know how the "rules" are coded, simply play within their constraints my friends :)

And have fun

Yes there is a difference. Everyone has a burn mult of 2.0.  If fuel multiplier were like WEP Rearm, a hand full of planes would get a burn mult of 3.0 or their 4th refuel. everyone else would stay 2.0.   :salute
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Ciaphas on April 09, 2018, 01:23:07 PM
In a 38L it takes around 3 minutes for the engines to cool down after you kill ‘em.

I suppose if one was inclined, you could perform a few engine temp tests and how they correlate to WEP.

I don’t see crates sitting on the rearm pad waiting for their engines to cool down.

When I get home from work tonight I will test the nonesense I have just posted. What’s the worse that can happen


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Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vinkman on April 09, 2018, 02:25:09 PM
In a 38L it takes around 3 minutes for the engines to cool down after you kill ‘em.

I suppose if one was inclined, you could perform a few engine temp tests and how they correlate to WEP.

I don’t see crates sitting on the rearm pad waiting for their engines to cool down.

When I get home from work tonight I will test the nonesense I have just posted. What’s the worse that can happen


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Not sure what you mean by "temp tests and how they correlate to WEP"?    They are 100% correlated. The temp meter is the WEP indicator. When you reach a certain temp you are out of wep. In reality planes may have had a methanol, or Nitros Oxide gauge indicating when they ran out. IIRC HTC rolls them all into the temp gauge.  when the gauge drops you get your WEP back. 

Apparently there is a total time limit for WEP on planes with WEP.  We don't know why. If it is temperature based, it makes no sense to have a total WEP limit. for planes with ADI or Nitros it doesn't make sense that it's not replenished with fuel and ammo. So what we are all wondering is why it is set up that way.

The OP wanted it changed so the overall WEP timer is reset on re-arm.  I am for the overall WEP timer being reset on re-arm, but not to the cool down timer to reset.  so if it takes 10 minutes for a 109 to get 100% of WEP back, when you take off from a rearm, you still have to wait 9min, 30 sec.

So I give the OP a +1   
...because it makes sense.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Ciaphas on April 09, 2018, 02:31:29 PM
Has anyone tested a WEP reset after rearm and full engine cool down?


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Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vinkman on April 10, 2018, 09:48:43 AM
Has anyone tested a WEP reset after rearm and full engine cool down?


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I have not. I'm taking the OP's word for it that the WEP runs out after a max about of time on a sortie.  I have re-armed 109s very often. I have not run into the 'Ultimate' limit yet.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Ciaphas on April 10, 2018, 11:00:56 AM
Last night I tried to perform a rearm and full engine cool down but the fights were to good and I couldn’t keep my wings attached to my 38

I will be trying again today.

One thing I did notice was that when WEP ran out and once the engine cooled to near normal temps my WEP did work until the engine reached critical temps.




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Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: morfiend on April 10, 2018, 11:30:37 AM
Why all the exclamation points?   Switch to decaf, bruh.


 Do you know why you use an exclamation point?

 I was making a point that there has always been a time limit on wep besides the cool down times. Dale stated it was a bug that allowed you to extend the total wep times with rearms. That bug has been fixed in AH3 so if your plane has 10 mins. total wep,thats all you get. As to why it is the way it is I cant answer except that it's what HTC set it to.


  If you exceed the total wep time,get a new plane,if ENY wont allow you to up the same type plane fly something else or change sides!


     :salute
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vinkman on April 10, 2018, 11:44:49 AM


  If you exceed the total wep time,get a new plane,if ENY wont allow you to up the same type plane fly something else or change sides!


How about  when you refuel you only get 25% of fuel and ammo? or 27% fuel and 13.5% ammo? or on next landing only 50% of you gear comes down? or your prop loses a blade each time you re-arm? or only the guns on the left side of the plane fire? Or 18% or your control surfaces are deactivated? or the game turns into night time but only for you?   :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vraciu on April 10, 2018, 12:31:36 PM

 Do you know why you use an exclamation point?

Yeah.  But you apparently don't.

Quote

  If you exceed the total wep time,get a new plane,if ENY wont allow you to up the same type plane fly something else or change sides!


 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: morfiend on April 10, 2018, 12:36:11 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vinkman on April 10, 2018, 02:20:57 PM
  I dont get the connection.....

It's an arbitrary limitation that WEP is not re-supplied with fuel. So it's as logical as only getting 17% fuel and 13.5% ammo on a re-arm, etc...

so, yeh...we all know that we can tower out and get full WEP, but why not investigate if this seemingly arbitrary and illogical limitation can be changed. 

NOTE: No proof it even exists yet, so my argument is predicated on it actually being a real thing.  :)

 
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Ciaphas on April 10, 2018, 02:25:46 PM
From my testing last night in my 38L, once the Engine got to crit temp the WEP ran out. I was able to fire WEP back up until the engine temp went Croat again. Sure the temp climbs faster than it did the first time but in the end it was still there after in flight cool down.

If the fights are as fun tonight I will test it on the ground after a rearm and a full engine shut down.

It may just a glitch but it did provide me with more time with WEP after the initial overheat.


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Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: wil3ur on April 10, 2018, 09:03:47 PM
I have re-armed 109s very often. I have not run into the 'Ultimate' limit yet.

^^This

If you use it as a tool and not a crutch, it'll be there when you need it... the vowel is the giveaway "Emergency".

I personally think the game coddles people too much, and you should see half of these planes returning home smoking and tore apart just from being ran at full power from takeoff to landing.  HTC was nice enough to not be that big a goober to everyone.  Since we got an inch now the extra mile is needed and unlimited WEP should be added too?

C'mon man, jump in a 30+ ENY plane and learn how to fly, it beats the pants off of running!   :cheers: :bolt:
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vraciu on April 11, 2018, 10:19:06 AM
^^This

If you use it as a tool and not a crutch, it'll be there when you need it... the vowel is the giveaway "Emergency".

I personally think the game coddles people too much, and you should see half of these planes returning home smoking and tore apart just from being ran at full power from takeoff to landing.  HTC was nice enough to not be that big a goober to everyone.  Since we got an inch now the extra mile is needed and unlimited WEP should be added too?

C'mon man, jump in a 30+ ENY plane and learn how to fly, it beats the pants off of running!   :cheers: :bolt:

You’ve obviously never seen a test stand run...

The engines will hold up just fine, the difference being you’ll swap them out more often than the average TBO.   The Russians ran the hell out of their engines.   They wore out faster but they weren’t coming home smoking after one mission or two or five. 
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: colmbo on April 11, 2018, 11:14:27 AM
I enjoy reading these: Encounter reports (http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mustang/combat-reports.html)

Scroll down to "Engine Boost"
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vraciu on April 11, 2018, 11:21:55 AM
 :cheers:
I enjoy reading these: Encounter reports (http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mustang/combat-reports.html)

Scroll down to "Engine Boost"

75”!  Fifteen mins at 74”!!!   :)
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Puma44 on April 11, 2018, 11:54:38 AM
I enjoy reading these: Encounter reports (http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mustang/combat-reports.html)

Scroll down to "Engine Boost"

The “Dive” section comments are also interesting.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vinkman on April 11, 2018, 12:42:14 PM
^^This

If you use it as a tool and not a crutch, it'll be there when you need it... the vowel is the giveaway "Emergency".

I personally think the game coddles people too much, and you should see half of these planes returning home smoking and tore apart just from being ran at full power from takeoff to landing.  HTC was nice enough to not be that big a goober to everyone.  Since we got an inch now the extra mile is needed and unlimited WEP should be added too?

C'mon man, jump in a 30+ ENY plane and learn how to fly, it beats the pants off of running!   :cheers: :bolt:

WEP is not super powers or a crutch. A P-39 has WEP.  :salute
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: colmbo on April 11, 2018, 05:54:08 PM
The “Dive” section comments are also interesting.

As well as "turn" and "use of flaps".  One mentioned turning with a 109 on the deck, flaps out and 130IAS.   Sounds like fun. :)
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: RODBUSTR on April 20, 2018, 10:39:49 AM
    Say You don't need WEP. maybe not, but competing against a like plane or numerous opponents when Your's is cancelled out do to extended refueling doesn't make sense. It is being penalized for  not getting Your plane shot to pieces and requiring a new crate.  Why not limit use of flaps and weapons too then.   Someone stated that it was to  even the playing field.  If that is so then Why not give the loser the perk points in a battle instead of giving them to the winner allowing Them to get the better equipment.   Have a blast.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: icepac on April 20, 2018, 08:36:51 PM
What happens when you spawn, taxi to the rearm pad, and rearm.

Do you lose wep at that time?
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vraciu on April 20, 2018, 08:53:24 PM
What happens when you spawn, taxi to the rearm pad, and rearm.

Do you lose wep at that time?

No.

You don't lose WEP, it simply isn't restored.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: atlau on April 20, 2018, 10:10:42 PM
Rodbustr just get a new plane. Its not that big of a deal. This thread has gotten way too long.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 20, 2018, 10:30:19 PM
    Say You don't need WEP. maybe not, but competing against a like plane or numerous opponents when Your's is cancelled out do to extended refueling doesn't make sense. It is being penalized for  not getting Your plane shot to pieces and requiring a new crate.  Why not limit use of flaps and weapons too then.   Someone stated that it was to  even the playing field.  If that is so then Why not give the loser the perk points in a battle instead of giving them to the winner allowing Them to get the better equipment.   Have a blast.

The reason why WEP is not recharged when you hot pad is a game play concession to prevent players from exploiting the re-arming system to get what would essentially be unlimited WEP.  It is the same reason why after relogging into the game after a disco, your plane no longer has WEP.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Puma44 on April 22, 2018, 10:16:48 AM
This thread has gotten way too long.

Yes, this dead horse is barely recognizable.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vraciu on April 22, 2018, 10:35:29 AM
Yes, the dead horse is barely recognizable.

Pulp.

(http://rs101.pbsrc.com/albums/m53/dduane/deadhorsebeat_4.gif?w=280&h=210&fit=crop)
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vinkman on April 23, 2018, 08:46:07 AM
The reason why WEP is not recharged when you hot pad is a game play concession to prevent players from exploiting the re-arming system to get what would essentially be unlimited WEP.  It is the same reason why after relogging into the game after a disco, your plane no longer has WEP.

I don't believe that.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: 100Coogn on April 23, 2018, 12:31:19 PM
Why can't the game remember how much WEP we have after a disco?  It knows how much fuel & ammo we have remaining.   :headscratch:

Coogan
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 23, 2018, 12:51:22 PM
I don't believe that.

You can do what I did a few years ago and email HiTech asking him.  He'll give you the same answer he gave me, which I posted.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Ciaphas on April 23, 2018, 01:18:01 PM
Why can't the game remember how much WEP we have after a disco?  It knows how much fuel & ammo we have remaining.   :headscratch:

Coogan


And this is where I am kind of on the fence about the answers that have been given, even the one AckAck has given that came from HTC.

I disco’d yesterday while driving a 38L, logged back in to the aircraft in flight. WEP didn’t work for like 20 or so seconds but did eventually start working again and it lasted until my engine temps redlined.

This brings another interesting observation.

I have done this many times. Run my WEP to failure, let the engines cool and continue using WEP. If I don’t let the engines cool long enough I got the 10 second WEP boost and it would shut off.

I will post a video of me doing exactly what I am talking about later this evening or early morning as I work swingshift 1500-2300 CST.


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Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Vinkman on April 24, 2018, 09:57:41 AM
You can do what I did a few years ago and email HiTech asking him.  He'll give you the same answer he gave me, which I posted.

Did I miss the post?  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Wiley on April 26, 2018, 05:25:58 PM

And this is where I am kind of on the fence about the answers that have been given, even the one AckAck has given that came from HTC.

I disco’d yesterday while driving a 38L, logged back in to the aircraft in flight. WEP didn’t work for like 20 or so seconds but did eventually start working again and it lasted until my engine temps redlined.

This brings another interesting observation.

I have done this many times. Run my WEP to failure, let the engines cool and continue using WEP. If I don’t let the engines cool long enough I got the 10 second WEP boost and it would shut off.

I will post a video of me doing exactly what I am talking about later this evening or early morning as I work swingshift 1500-2300 CST.


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WEP has an on time, a cooldown time, and a total duration for the sortie.  If you disco, when you reconnect your heat gets put to the max and needs to cool down.

So say you're in a P51 which is 5 on, 10 off, maximum duration of 10 minutes.  You can run it for 5 minutes then it will take 5 to cool down completely.  If you disco at any time, when you reconnect your WEP will need 5 minutes to cool down completely.  On the sortie, if you run your WEP for a total amount of 10 minutes, it will go off and stay off.

Here's the total list if you're interested.  What the OP is talking about is he wants rearming to reset the max duration.  I get his point, but HT's said no in the past.

Plane   Time On   Time Off   Total Time
p51d   5.050505051   10.1010101   10
109g10   10.1010101   10.1010101   42.83333333
spit9   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
b17g   5.050505051   16.66666667   0
c47a   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
la5fn   10.1010101   10.1010101   10
n1k2   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
190a8   10.1010101   20.2020202   20
c205   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
f4u1d   5.050505051   10.1010101   8
b26b   5.050505051   16.66666667   0
b26b   10.1010101   10.1010101   42.83333333
109g2   10.1010101   10.1010101   42.83333333
109g6   10.1010101   10.1010101   42.83333333
f4u1c   5.050505051   10.1010101   8
spit5   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
p38l   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
c202   5.050505051   10.1010101   10
typhoon   5.050505051   10.1010101   8
190a5   10.1010101   20.2020202   20
yak9u   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
a6m5b   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
p47d30   5.050505051   10.1010101   15
p47d25   5.050505051   10.1010101   15
ju88a4   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
lanc3   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
f6f5   5.050505051   10.1010101   8
tbm3   5.050505051   10.1010101   8
seafire   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
tempest   5.050505051   10.1010101   8
ar234   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
ta152h   9.98003992   5.005005005   40
190f8   10.1010101   20.2020202   20
la7   10.1010101   10.1010101   10
yak9t   5.050505051   10.1010101   0
190d9   9.98003992   5.005005005   40
p51b   5.050505051   10.1010101   10
p47d11   5.050505051   10.1010101   15
ki611c   5.050505051   10.1010101   10
il23   5.050505051   10.1010101   0
me262   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
f4u1   5.050505051   10.1010101   8
f4u4   5.050505051   10.1010101   8
hurri2c   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
hurri2d   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
mossie6   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
ki67   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
110c4   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
spit1   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
1.09E+06   5.050505051   10.1010101   10
hurri1   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
110g2   10.1010101   10.1010101   42.83333333
spit14   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
boston3   5.050505051   16.66666667   0
f4f4   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
fm2   5.050505051   10.1010101   10
a20g   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
d3a1   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
sbd5   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
a6m2   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
p40e   5.050505051   10.1010101   0
p40c   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   10
me163   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
ju87d3   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
b5n2   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
ki84   1.500150015   0.750075008   10
b24j   5.050505051   16.66666667   0
p38g   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
p38j   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
p47n   5.050505051   10.1010101   15
109g14   10.1010101   10.1010101   42.83333333
spit8   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
spit16   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
rv8   5.050505051   10.1010101   0
f4u1a   5.050505051   10.1010101   8
b25c   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
b25h   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
p39d   5.050505051   10.1010101   0
p39q   5.050505051   10.1010101   10
i16   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
b239   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
p47m   5.050505051   10.1010101   15
dr1   5.050505051   10.1010101   0
f2b   5.050505051   10.1010101   0
camel   5.050505051   10.1010101   0
dvii   5.050505051   10.1010101   0
mossi16   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
g4m1   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
b29   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
a6m3   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
p40f   5.050505051   10.1010101   10
p40n   5.050505051   10.1010101   10
fi156   5.050505051   10.1010101   0
me410   10.1010101   10.1010101   42.83333333
ju87g2   #DIV/0!   #DIV/0!   0
seahurr   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
he111   5.050505051   16.66666667   10
ki43   1.500150015   0.750075008   10
yak3   5.050505051   10.1010101   0
yak7b   5.050505051   10.1010101   0
tu2s   10.1010101   10.1010101   10

Wiley.
Title: Re: Loss of WEP after Refuel.
Post by: Lusche on April 26, 2018, 05:38:22 PM
So say you're in a P51 which is 5 on, 10 off, maximum duration of 10 minutes.  You can run it for 5 minutes then it will take 5 to cool down completely.  If you disco at any time, when you reconnect your WEP will need 5 minutes to cool down completely. 

It needs 10 minutes cooldown time after 5 minutes of WEP use  :old: