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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: caldera on March 17, 2018, 03:04:12 PM
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Curious to know what non-perk plane can handle the highest speed without falling apart.
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Gotta be a Tempest right?
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A P-39 can get to about 590(yes 590!) in a dive from 15K to the deck.
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Gotta be a Tempest right?
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Non- perked aircraft, please.
A P-39 can get to about 590(yes 590!) in a dive from 15K to the deck.
It holds together? Either model?
Just an addendum to the original question: the 262 would be on or near the deck.
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I remember reading on the box for the plastic model that the P-47 broke the sound barrier.
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Non- perked aircraft, please.
It holds together? Either model?
I only tried it with a 39D, but yes, it held together just fine.
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Yak9u goes pretty fast.
So does the RV8.
The best plane to bounce a 262 is the me163.
It takes planning but, when they are out and confident, you can hotpad one to the front lines and have your way.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/695/32617018426_4d7b9d1c0b_b.jpg)
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190-A series can, together with F6F outdive a 262.
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I suppose It depends upon what alt the 262 is at and where you are. I'm at high to extreme alts and use the Mk14 mostly. second the Mjug. and bounce deuces and 234s with a fair amount of success. The 152 probably works well also
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My question is why? To catch a 262 you gotta find him napping or engaged which you can do with any decently fast plabne. Also if the 262 driver knows what hes doing/paying attention and has some altitude pad he can pretty easily defeat your initial bounce and run away.... its not just a max speed game.
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I think a P51 is my favourite because it can handle higher compression speed that can be a problem for the p47. P51 also has range for longer hunt. I have had great fun in hunting 262-s. When 262 comes from enemy base and I am not in position to bounce I try to position myself between him and enemy base. Best to stay out of icon range observe the black dot. when 262 goes rtb try to cut him off. Sometimes it pays off to chase deeper into enemy territory because when a 262 is low on fuel he might go to land at a certain base, but needs some time to slow down for landing, that extra time might allow to cach up in a prop fighter. That is when extra fuel in clean configuration comes handy.
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I only tried it with a 39D, but yes, it held together just fine.
That is very good to know. 590 is some crazy speed. :cheers:
Had an opportunity yesterday on a low 262 harassing planes right off base but my P-40 would have come apart.
I remember reading on the box for the plastic model that the P-47 broke the sound barrier.
I remember losing to Lancasters in a high speed dive because my Jug was creaking like mad. That was at very high alt though.
190-A series can, together with F6F outdive a 262.
190 is probably a great option. I have a tendency to lose wingtips in the F6F. Something about that plane doesn't give the sensation of speed until you're way too fast.
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Yak9u goes pretty fast.
At speed the 9U can lose control surfaces very quickly.
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On the Axis side, IMO the 190-D9 catches it best, then the A model 190s, then the Ta-152. The 152 doesn't dive like the others, but as with anything that can dive it's a matter of being in the right place at the right time to catch it and the guns are nice if you can get a shot on him.
P51 or any jug will do the job. F4Us aren't terrible at it, but not as good as the P51 or P47s.
Personally my first choice would be a D9, then an M jug, then the P51, then any of the others. Depending on your personal preferences, any of those 3 could be interchanged IMO.
Wiley.
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Only in perfect conditions, but I've caught 262'a with my N1K. It dives like a monster, but will only be a threat screaming in from alt and CANNOT sustain any pursuit...
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I think the correct question should be in what situations would it be best to bounce a Me 262 instead of what plane to use.
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I remember reading on the box for the plastic model that the P-47 broke the sound barrier.
That was the sound of the pilot screaming, mate. :rofl
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Would all of this be related to the Rooks last night flying in a 262 around some Bish bases and no one could catch me...I mean the 262?
The Yak caused me some grief, but the Jug's and P-51's had to watch their backs.
By far, I found that Yak with their higher low-level sustained speed were most troublesome for me in my 262. Mostly because I had to be mindful when mixing it up that most Yak's do maintain 325+MPH in their aircraft when turning.
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The D9 and TA-152 have lower terminal dive speed than the 190A.
The D9 have same wings as the 190A8 but to me it feels more unstable than the A8 does, close to 600mph.
On the Axis side, IMO the 190-D9 catches it best, then the A model 190s, then the Ta-152. The 152 doesn't dive like the others, but as with anything that can dive it's a matter of being in the right place at the right time to catch it and the guns are nice if you can get a shot on him.
P51 or any jug will do the job. F4Us aren't terrible at it, but not as good as the P51 or P47s.
Personally my first choice would be a D9, then an M jug, then the P51, then any of the others. Depending on your personal preferences, any of those 3 could be interchanged IMO.
Wiley.
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The D9 and TA-152 have lower terminal dive speed than the 190A.
The D9 have same wings as the 190A8 but to me it feels more unstable than the A8 does, close to 600mph.
True, but the D9 doesn't lose the speed as fast when you start to level out. At least that's what it feels like to me.
Wiley.
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152 or F6F hands down
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To be honest, if you're hunting a Me-262, the best non-perked plane to do it (and the ones that did it historically) is a P-47M/N, a Typhoon, or the P-51D. Both retain energy fairly well in and after a dive. And if your landing in a Me-262, the Yak-3 can also cause you some grief with its high low-altitude speed - same as the P-51.
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I recommend a D3A :old:!
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I would prefer the P51 with alot of smash, I've converged to well sometimes and over shot the jet!
Once you've clocked him stay out of visual range and wait for them to pull up or dive on friendlies. Then build speed and wait for them to come back up. Jets take a little while to accelerate so thats their weakest point in terms of speed.
Good jet drivers would normally stay level and fast so you will have to converge taking into account where they are going rather than where they are and as above don't overshoot.
Thankfully jets are like paper and usually catch fire with minimal 50 cal hits.
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The 163 gets uncontrollable VERY quickly at speed so it'd be dicey trying to make a fast diving attack.
The best plane to bounce a 262 is the me163.
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Another 262.
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B17
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B17
Exactly atlau. I prefer the B-17 and to let the prey come to me.
one-eye
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KI 61 dives like mad and can still manuver with the 262 if it tries to juke using your compression to force the overshoot. Plus 2x 20mm in the nose.
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Ki61 compression speed is well below the speed needed to catch a fast 262, they 190A is not even warmed up before the Ki driver is a passenger in his own plane, plus the 4*20mm AND 2*13mm.
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Yeah but the 262 outturns the 190a8 :)))
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Yeah but the 262 outturns the 190a8 :)))
Now that's funny right there!
My bet is going to be the 190D or the P51.
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Mosquito.
Sure it is slower, but disrespect is your greatest weapon :D
Starting around 3:50
https://youtu.be/RGOWswdzGQs
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Disrespect IS your best weapon...was on deck in Boston, 262 came down, got slow :) Sorry slightly reverse of topic.
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Mosquito.
Sure it is slower, but disrespect is your greatest weapon :D
Starting around 3:50
https://youtu.be/RGOWswdzGQs
Nice video work there. Did you get any hate mail telling you it was impossible for a Mosquito to shoot down a 262?
(That may be a can of worms best left unopened.)
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Nice video work there. Did you get any hate mail telling you it was impossible for a Mosquito to shoot down a 262?
(That may be a can of worms best left unopened.)
Certainly the bomber version couldn't.
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Certainly the bomber version couldn't.
Not counting the current year, the Mosquito B.XVI has 14 registered MA kills on the Me 262 :D
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Killed two 262s in one pass. One was low and another climbing. Came in with smash killed the low one first. Went vertical on a 262 that was climbing away got him also.
Used a P47M. It's called inertia. Gimme the MJug for that purpose.
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Not counting the current year, the Mosquito B.XVI has 14 registered MA kills on the Me 262 :D
Pretty sure one of those was me. I was doing a pass on a formation and the drones warped back into position as I was flying through, ended up taking me out. :noid
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Did some checking and over the last eleven years, these are the fighters flown that vanquished an Me-262:
KI84 (3)
P38G (3)
C205 (2)
190A8 (2)
109G6
109G14
F4U1
F6F
Ki61
La7
Mossie
Me410
P39D
P40E
P40F
P40N
Yak7b
Yak9T
My favorite part is three different P-40s! Just need one in the C model now. :)
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Id be willing to bet that over 11 years just about every plane has gotten a kill/proxy on a 262...
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Probably true. Those were just my personal stats, hence the odd 11 year time frame. Was interesting reading other's anecdotes, so thought I'd chime in.