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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DaveBB on June 01, 2018, 06:40:45 PM
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"Stalingrad" I didn't realize how brutal the Soviets were, to both the Germans and themselves. A few examples are a Commissar executing a 19 year old company commander a week after he joined the unit due to 5 guys deserting. Russians attacking without weapons. And of course only 3000 German Stalingrad POWs surviving the war, out of 100K+ captured.
I illustrate the Soviet atrocities because we know how bad the Germans were. But the Communist were just as bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTSwsb8_FW4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qm7F2sAAZI&t=1086s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebo3r4dr5vg
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Its like I have said before, nobody starts a war thinking they will lose.
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My son gave me the book many years ago. Great read.
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If the Soviets were not cruel to their own there would be no Russians left in in Russia, if the Germans would have won in the east the methods they had perfected in the concentration camps would have been used on a bigger scale.
The reason there were only 3000 German left out of 100k is because they invaded someone else’s country committed atrocities and showed no mercy the Russians.
If the Japanese had invaded the US and did what the Germans did would the US been any different.
Makes me wonder why people read books just to reinforce their existing views.
By the way it’s nothing to do with Facism or Communism, it’s a cultural ideology, The Germans can’t stop starting wars and losing them, and they need to control everyone else because they are domineering, the Russians have always been cruel to each other and slightly odd.
The further east you go the odder the people get, from Britain across Europe the crueler they become, eventually you end up in Japan, I rest my case.
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huzzah!
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Hitler and Germany lost the War in the East during the winter of 1941-42, they just didn't realize it till the following year.
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Frenemies in Poland
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Poland invaded Russia and Germany in 1919 under Pilsudski :)
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Poland’s behaviour between the wars was not particularly good :old:
Henry Ford and Joseph Kennedy look them up as well they were nasty pieces of work between the wars.
When you lot stop funding Germany’s pretend economy will they start another war?
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Russia signed a pact with Germany. They were very much alike.
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Soviets had gulags and the NKVD, Germany had extermination camps and the Gestapo. Both were run by sociopaths. Communism killed far more people due the duration of Stalin's reign.
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The Russians cannot be trusted and they will invade us all :old:
When the Soviet Union collapsed who invested billions into Russia................?
Mmmmmmmm?
The USA :rofl
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The Russians cannot be trusted and they will invade us all :old:
When the Soviet Union collapsed who invested billions into Russia................?
Mmmmmmmm?
The USA :rofl
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Cite some evidence for that absurd claim.
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Cite some evidence for that absurd claim.
No
You give evidence it did not happen.
When’s North Korea invading? Oh it’s not :rofl
Or China
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Biggest investors in China.......? USA :rofl
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I believe that Zack is correct. We were so eager to promote democracy is the former USSR states that we supported their economies to some point or the other. We politically supported Yeltzin.
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I believe that Zack is correct. We were so eager to promote democracy is the former USSR states that we supported their economies to some point or the other. We politically supported Yeltzin.
It was the right move. We want Russia in our orbit to counter China. The neocons blew that up in part by expanding NATO to Russia's doorstep. Stupid idea.
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The Russians cannot be trusted and they will invade us all :old:
When the Soviet Union collapsed who invested billions into Russia................?
Mmmmmmmm?
The USA :rofl
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Russia stole my vitality :old:
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Russia,China,North Korea,Iran and Syria are the enemy and don’t you forget it!
Switzerland,Luxembourg,Suadi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan are not our enemy.
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When they properly censor the internet they can have a proper war :)
The EU are trying to create its own army to fight the Russians :rofl how they going to do that with the French,Spanish and Italians.
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The further east you go the odder the people get, from Britain across Europe the crueler they become, eventually you end up in Japan, I rest my case.
If you keep on going, you'll be back in Britain :old:
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"Panzer commander" by Hans von Luck is an excellent read. It covers his exploits from the start of the war through the invasion of Poland,france, the eastern front, north Africa, the last stand in Europe, to after his release from the Russian prison.
Oddly, I found his stories of his time as a prisoner in communist Russia the most interesting part. While he is quite sympathetic towards the Russians and describes everything with humor, the Soviet union comes through as one hell of a rotten place, where officials corruption and individuals trying to screw the system is a way of life. In return the state is extremely cruel and indifferent about the individual. He mentioned that a few of the German prisoners were imprissoned in Germany before the war for being communists and even a nazi reeducation program couldnot cure them - but after getting a close look from the inside of a real implementation of communism they were all "cured"...
After reading all kind of historical accounts, I think that even during the worst of WWII, for a lowly Russian Russia was a greater threat to his life than nazi Germany. I always say that Stalin was just like Hitler, but with a bigger mustache.
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I read “Night Witches” by Bruce Myles last year. If all true, it gave me a refreshing perspective that at least personal relationships on the individual level could exist not so different from my social interactions. While not the focus of the book, it seemed to readily flesh out details involving Nazi atrocities with little mention to Soviet ones. I just remember one brief excerpt that said to effect that sometimes Soviet soldiers committed crimes... Yeah, I’m a bit skeptical of the rose-tinted outlook.
“Beyond the Call” by Lee Trimble with Jeremy Dronfield gave a quite different account of Soviet conduct, attitudes and abilities.
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Flyboys (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/202146.Flyboys)by James Bradley
One of the hardest reads - not because it was poorly written, but the story that James wrote about the brutality of the IJN and IJA forces, the mind bending baloney the Allied POW's put up with, the cannibalism the Japanese practised on captured USN and Marine pilots, totally blew my mind. Using them as bayonet practice. Other totally brutal acts of violence.
What is it with these psycho regimes?
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What is it with these psycho regimes?
Well I have a theory: https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/how-common-are-sadists (https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/how-common-are-sadists)
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Stalin was misunderstood :old:
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Stalin was misunderstood :old:
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If the Japanese had invaded the US and did what the Germans did would the US been any different.
The Japanese did invade the United States when they invaded Attu and Kiska Islands which were at the time part of the Alaska Territory in addition to bombing US bases and ports on Alaska itself.
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The Japanese did invade the United States when they invaded Attu and Kiska Islands which were at the time part of the Alaska Territory in addition to bombing US bases and ports on Alaska itself.
That is like saying that Argentina invaded Britain by stepping on Falkland Island.
Not exactly what people usually imagine when they hear "invaded Britain ".
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That is like saying that Argentina invaded Britain by stepping on Falkland Island.
Not exactly what people usually imagine when they hear "invaded Britain ".
We won that one a well 3 nil to us, as the Argentina is basically run by ex narzzies.
South America is run by old German family’s that have been there since the 1870’s.
Ernst Rohm a leading nazi moved there to train the Mexican army and fetle bots :old: