General Forums => Films and Screenshots => Topic started by: FESS67 on July 27, 2018, 12:56:16 AM
Title: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: FESS67 on July 27, 2018, 12:56:16 AM
You can quite clearly see that as soon as I identified the enemy plane I turned to it to fight. I was lower and probably slower than you.
You over committed to the other 51 and allowed me to slide behind you. That is not a pick by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: TWCAxew on July 27, 2018, 02:54:18 AM
Ok edited
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: FESS67 on July 27, 2018, 03:09:26 AM
Yeah I do not want this thread to degenerate into an insult fest so I will steer clear of that. I do think it is useful for flippz to see the fight from my end as the two sides of the fence often have differing opinions as to what went down.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: Max on July 27, 2018, 07:01:59 AM
No, you didn't pick the Tempest (who was totally fixated on HIS prey, but went for the ez kill iso defending. Let's leave it at that :devil
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: flippz on July 27, 2018, 03:12:23 PM
Why not post the full extent of what’s going on over there fess. It’s about 5 of my guys against a double dar of your guys. All of which ran from any 1v1 account that got close until there was a few folks that could help them. It happened on a repeated case of us coming in with alt. You post that you can’t find a fight but you fail to understand most guys are not gonna up in that kinda of trash. When that was going on there had been full dar bars on both our fronts for several hours at that point. When I said some thing about you stated this was the only fight you could find. Of course it was y’all had numbers and there were a enough of us coming in to keep you all occupied. All it takes is to up bombers wf a town and generally you get a fight. You all don’t do that most in here go for the path of easier resistance and where they are safe in numbers. Maybe pick was the wrong term to use. I can say on two occasions I watched you extend anywhere from three to four k away when you got singled out only to come back and kill me when I was in a fight with another plane. I know there is no even playing field in this game but I would think veteran players would have enough sense and knowledge to know that a constant gang bang is gonna do nothing but drive guys to gvs and field guns and sneaking into to undefended bases (which you have made a thread about as well). There is a picture of the map from last night that some one posted. Look at that picture and tell me what you see in the way of dar bars. Double dar on the rook bish front and a solid dar bar on the knit bish front and not a single dar on the rook nit front. And for the most part it was that way for the entire night. Today the map was changed and from about 10am this morning until I logged at 3pm there was not a single rook nit front base flashing. The weekend is upon us and I can almost guarantee for the weekend it will be nothing but a gang fest on our fronts to the point it’s not fun to play. I like to fight probably more than anyone but it gets tiring when you know every time you up you will have to fight five to get a fight. I don’t want to fly a 51 or 190 so I can run around and pick and run from fights, I can but I like turn fighting. Soon the fighters in this game are gonna move on and you gonna be left with a bunch of folks like a certain yak rook fighter and certain knight 190 flier. Then it will be a fuel mileage fight and y’all will appreciate these huge maps and instead of tabbing out you can go mow the lawn or go grocery shopping before you run into a fight.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: flippz on July 27, 2018, 03:18:11 PM
I guess the blues are your friendly and yellow was enemy and white squad.
So I counted three including me enemy. That’s was about my eighth trip there lol.
But cute video of a few min section to a several hour horde.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: puller on July 27, 2018, 03:19:45 PM
Why not post the full extent of what’s going on over there fess. It’s about 5 of my guys against a double dar of your guys. All of which ran from any 1v1 account that got close until there was a few folks that could help them. It happened on a repeated case of us coming in with alt. You post that you can’t find a fight but you fail to understand most guys are not gonna up in that kinda of trash. When that was going on there had been full dar bars on both our fronts for several hours at that point. When I said some thing about you stated this was the only fight you could find. Of course it was y’all had numbers and there were a enough of us coming in to keep you all occupied. All it takes is to up bombers wf a town and generally you get a fight. You all don’t do that most in here go for the path of easier resistance and where they are safe in numbers. Maybe pick was the wrong term to use. I can say on two occasions I watched you extend anywhere from three to four k away when you got singled out only to come back and kill me when I was in a fight with another plane. I know there is no even playing field in this game but I would think veteran players would have enough sense and knowledge to know that a constant gang bang is gonna do nothing but drive guys to gvs and field guns and sneaking into to undefended bases (which you have made a thread about as well). There is a picture of the map from last night that some one posted. Look at that picture and tell me what you see in the way of dar bars. Double dar on the rook bish front and a solid dar bar on the knit bish front and not a single dar on the rook nit front. And for the most part it was that way for the entire night. Today the map was changed and from about 10am this morning until I logged at 3pm there was not a single rook nit front base flashing. The weekend is upon us and I can almost guarantee for the weekend it will be nothing but a gang fest on our fronts to the point it’s not fun to play. I like to fight probably more than anyone but it gets tiring when you know every time you up you will have to fight five to get a fight. I don’t want to fly a 51 or 190 so I can run around and pick and run from fights, I can but I like turn fighting. Soon the fighters in this game are gonna move on and you gonna be left with a bunch of folks like a certain yak rook fighter and certain knight 190 flier. Then it will be a fuel mileage fight and y’all will appreciate these huge maps and instead of tabbing out you can go mow the lawn or go grocery shopping before you run into a fight.
:aok
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: flippz on July 27, 2018, 03:31:02 PM
No, you didn't pick the Tempest (who was totally fixated on HIS prey, but went for the ez kill iso defending. Let's leave it at that :devil
Max get the whole video and watch the whole thing before you watch a smidgen of it and make an assumption. When I came in at alt less than 4K range watch three of them hit the deck running. I wound up that low trying to catch something to fight.
I would like for the whole video posted and not an edited version.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: icepac on July 27, 2018, 06:22:18 PM
Come in NOE and you won't have to worry......Or....come in with such a huge altitude advantage that they can't run away long before you catch them.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: FESS67 on July 28, 2018, 02:13:18 AM
Why not post the full extent of what’s going on over there fess. It’s about 5 of my guys against a double dar of your guys. All of which ran from any 1v1 account that got close until there was a few folks that could help them. It happened on a repeated case of us coming in with alt. You post that you can’t find a fight but you fail to understand most guys are not gonna up in that kinda of trash. When that was going on there had been full dar bars on both our fronts for several hours at that point. When I said some thing about you stated this was the only fight you could find. Of course it was y’all had numbers and there were a enough of us coming in to keep you all occupied. All it takes is to up bombers wf a town and generally you get a fight. You all don’t do that most in here go for the path of easier resistance and where they are safe in numbers. Maybe pick was the wrong term to use. I can say on two occasions I watched you extend anywhere from three to four k away when you got singled out only to come back and kill me when I was in a fight with another plane. I know there is no even playing field in this game but I would think veteran players would have enough sense and knowledge to know that a constant gang bang is gonna do nothing but drive guys to gvs and field guns and sneaking into to undefended bases (which you have made a thread about as well). There is a picture of the map from last night that some one posted. Look at that picture and tell me what you see in the way of dar bars. Double dar on the rook bish front and a solid dar bar on the knit bish front and not a single dar on the rook nit front. And for the most part it was that way for the entire night. Today the map was changed and from about 10am this morning until I logged at 3pm there was not a single rook nit front base flashing. The weekend is upon us and I can almost guarantee for the weekend it will be nothing but a gang fest on our fronts to the point it’s not fun to play. I like to fight probably more than anyone but it gets tiring when you know every time you up you will have to fight five to get a fight. I don’t want to fly a 51 or 190 so I can run around and pick and run from fights, I can but I like turn fighting. Soon the fighters in this game are gonna move on and you gonna be left with a bunch of folks like a certain yak rook fighter and certain knight 190 flier. Then it will be a fuel mileage fight and y’all will appreciate these huge maps and instead of tabbing out you can go mow the lawn or go grocery shopping before you run into a fight.
Flippz,
I am not sure I will ever get agreement from you, you are wound up too tight when it comes to anything I do. I think you kind of agreed I did not pick you in that fight - but did all the other times. Ok whatever. I cannot play the AH films in the film viewer but I think this is the whole film as requested. Pretty sure the first and only time I saw you was when you dove on my wingman. Please feel free to watch the film and prove me wrong.
As far as the double dar bar - totally agreed, it sucks. But as discussed in game it was the only fight we had access to (the only dar bar we had access to). I always go to the dar bar. I am really not interested in getting a bomber and tryng to WF a town, I would rather log off than fly a buff, GV or sit in a gun. That is not what I am in the game for. Hell I can hardly even dive bomb, I miss the GV hangar 95% of the time that I try. I am just not into that.
I thnk we both agree that the 'gang or be ganged' aspect of the game makes for terrible gameplay. I logged off after shooting your Temp down, I think I even agreed with you on 200 that being a part of the horde bores me more than being horded and that was why I was logging. We both share the opinion that 3 sides is simply not working anymore but HTC is not going down the 2 side route. I actually would have loved to have changed sides and come help you but you know the last time I did that I was subjected to a torrent of abuse from your wingman, I think he is in the legal profession. Think I want that again?
Ended up in the DA doing 2 on 2 stuff with some guys and had a blast. You probably would have enjoyed that also, I think we are very similar in that respect. One of your squad came into the DA and all of us instantly went to another area of the map to avoid him. His attitude preceeded him.
I asked you why you always try to make my game sessions unpleasant. Your response 'I enjoy it'. Sir, you cannot be victim and perpetrator at the same time. I would actually prefer to avoid you in game as I do not enjoy the drama but, if you are the only dar bar in town I am going to be there. Hopefully we can have fun without drama. ~S~
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: The Fugitive on July 28, 2018, 10:20:39 AM
I am not sure I will ever get agreement from you, you are wound up too tight when it comes to anything I do. I think you kind of agreed I did not pick you in that fight - but did all the other times. Ok whatever. I cannot play the AH films in the film viewer but I think this is the whole film as requested. Pretty sure the first and only time I saw you was when you dove on my wingman. Please feel free to watch the film and prove me wrong.
As far as the double dar bar - totally agreed, it sucks. But as discussed in game it was the only fight we had access to (the only dar bar we had access to). I always go to the dar bar. I am really not interested in getting a bomber and tryng to WF a town, I would rather log off than fly a buff, GV or sit in a gun. That is not what I am in the game for. Hell I can hardly even dive bomb, I miss the GV hangar 95% of the time that I try. I am just not into that.
I thnk we both agree that the 'gang or be ganged' aspect of the game makes for terrible gameplay. I logged off after shooting your Temp down, I think I even agreed with you on 200 that being a part of the horde bores me more than being horded and that was why I was logging. We both share the opinion that 3 sides is simply not working anymore but HTC is not going down the 2 side route. I actually would have loved to have changed sides and come help you but you know the last time I did that I was subjected to a torrent of abuse from your wingman, I think he is in the legal profession. Think I want that again?
Ended up in the DA doing 2 on 2 stuff with some guys and had a blast. You probably would have enjoyed that also, I think we are very similar in that respect. One of your squad came into the DA and all of us instantly went to another area of the map to avoid him. His attitude preceeded him.
I asked you why you always try to make my game sessions unpleasant. Your response 'I enjoy it'. Sir, you cannot be victim and perpetrator at the same time. I would actually prefer to avoid you in game as I do not enjoy the drama but, if you are the only dar bar in town I am going to be there. Hopefully we can have fun without drama. ~S~
Well you cant say it much nicer than that! :salute
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: nrshida on July 28, 2018, 10:49:33 AM
Don't mean to interupt your flow or narrative in an argumentitive way, but just for balance you have once accused me of cheating with an 'impossible shot' (which on reviewing the film was only 375 yard snap shot).
In general - just good-willed advice here - perception is not necessarily reality. Probably better to let the flash of frustration / anger pass, reflect on improvements and then move along. It's what sports psychology suggests.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: FESS67 on July 28, 2018, 04:04:39 PM
Nrshida,
If you read my second post in this thread you will see I stated that the intent of the post is to help flippz see the fight from the other viewpoint. I am not posting from frustration or anger.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: The Fugitive on July 28, 2018, 04:33:56 PM
If you read my second post in this thread you will see I stated that the intent of the post is to help flippz see the fight from the other viewpoint. I am not posting from frustration or anger.
No but Flipz was. I think that is what he meant.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: nrshida on July 29, 2018, 12:04:11 AM
But you have on channel 200 on several occasions over your 'unfair treatment' from other players.
The subject of your thread is ethics and not air combat. If you hold a principle, like the one you claim in this thread that you don't care for the drama aspect of the game, then you aren't able to initiate or engage in that yourself without having a double standard. Otherwise we'd have to accept the situation that it's alright if you're the one doing it, but not if it's being done to you. Takes considerable strength of character and diligence to be bound by your own principles. Further, just because you hold a principle doesn't mean others do; so you can't enforce your principles on others either. So now you have more limitations than an opponent without principal and are relatively disadvantaged. So you have to be 'stronger' to balance that. Then there's the point about perception, one man's pick is the other man's clearing of a wingman. So now there are at least three sides of perception and the fence analogy is already insufficient because it only has two sides...
Tricky business, ethics. Probably better to put your energy into improving your flying instead :)
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: FESS67 on July 29, 2018, 12:17:19 AM
But you have on channel 200 on several occasions over your 'unfair treatment' from other players.
The subject of your thread is ethics and not air combat. If you hold a principle, like the one you claim in this thread that you don't care for the drama aspect of the game, then you aren't able to initiate or engage in that yourself without having a double standard. Otherwise we'd have to accept the situation that it's alright if you're the one doing it, but not if it's being done to you. Takes considerable strength of character and diligence to be bound by your own principles. Further, just because you hold a principle doesn't mean others do; so you can't enforce your principles on others either. So now you have more limitations than an opponent without principal and are relatively disadvantaged. So you have to be 'stronger' to balance that. Then there's the point about perception, one man's pick is the other man's clearing of a wingman. So now there are at least three sides of perception and the fence analogy is already insufficient because it only has two sides...
Tricky business, ethics. Probably better to put your energy into improving your flying instead :)
Thanks for your input
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: scott66 on July 29, 2018, 03:13:07 AM
Well in my book both fess and flippz are excellent sticks everybody flies everybody dies and I can whoop them both :neener:
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: Vraciu on July 29, 2018, 04:49:13 PM
But you have on channel 200 on several occasions over your 'unfair treatment' from other players.
Fake news. He's never said that.
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The subject of your thread is ethics and not air combat. If you hold a principle, like the one you claim in this thread that you don't care for the drama aspect of the game, then you aren't able to initiate or engage in that yourself without having a double standard. Otherwise we'd have to accept the situation that it's alright if you're the one doing it, but not if it's being done to you. Takes considerable strength of character and diligence to be bound by your own principles. Further, just because you hold a principle doesn't mean others do; so you can't enforce your principles on others either. So now you have more limitations than an opponent without principal and are relatively disadvantaged. So you have to be 'stronger' to balance that. Then there's the point about perception, one man's pick is the other man's clearing of a wingman. So now there are at least three sides of perception and the fence analogy is already insufficient because it only has two sides...
Tricky business, ethics. Probably better to put your energy into improving your flying instead :)
Having fought both of you, I'll go with Fess. Not that you aren't a worthy opponent, mind you. But come on now. You're making a word salad here from a position of (false?) authority. I know you're a better guy than that.
Remember that great 1 v 1 we had over the water a couple months back (that I won I may add)? What happened to you after that? Does an 18-7 loss ring a bell?
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: Vraciu on July 29, 2018, 04:50:43 PM
You can quite clearly see that as soon as I identified the enemy plane I turned to it to fight. I was lower and probably slower than you.
You over committed to the other 51 and allowed me to slide behind you. That is not a pick by any stretch of the imagination.
https://youtu.be/R6_hnaj9I10
I had actually set the shot up for Fess here on purpose. My mistake was thinking flippz did not have the shot then having to pull too hard once I realized he did--which screwed it up for my wingman. There are three or four things I could have done differently there, any one of which would have changed the outcome.
No, you didn't pick the Tempest (who was totally fixated on HIS prey, but went for the ez kill iso defending. Let's leave it at that :devil
There were about seven guys in this fight on one side, similar on the other. This was in no way a 1 v 1 with Flippz. I was slow and he had an energy advantage on me as I had previously maneuvered to engage other fighters. Fess called the bandit, I drew him to a position where Fess could shoot him. I made a small mistake and got blasted before Fess shot him.
It was not a pick.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: flippz on July 29, 2018, 09:57:56 PM
Completely ignoring anything skullbonevracuisanchoo and what ever other name you sign in under
Fess I agree it was not a pick. Just frustrating coming over there they many times and getting killed by the same player with that amount of enemy players there. Especially when not a single player would engage 1v1. I guess if guys weren’t scared to fight in a cartoon airplane 1v1 and we were able to get more of them then some times the gang kills wouldn’t matter as much. But when you have been playing for two hours and every plane you came across alone ran at a 3k vis until he was surrounded by friendly guys it gets frustrating. Maybe I should run maybe I should start flying temps and 190s and learn to only pick and run. Might not help game play but I would die less and have more time to type on 200.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: Vraciu on July 29, 2018, 10:40:52 PM
Fess I agree it was not a pick. Just frustrating coming over there they many times and getting killed by the same player with that amount of enemy players there. Especially when not a single player would engage 1v1. I guess if guys weren’t scared to fight in a cartoon airplane 1v1 and we were able to get more of them then some times the gang kills wouldn’t matter as much. But when you have been playing for two hours and every plane you came across alone ran at a 3k vis until he was surrounded by friendly guys it gets frustrating. Maybe I should run maybe I should start flying temps and 190s and learn to only pick and run. Might not help game play but I would die less and have more time to type on 200.
I think Wiley said it best, “Hey everyone. Forget whatever it is you’re in the middle of doing and give [lippz] a 1 v 1.”
Your team hordes and gangs all the time then you whine about losing a fair fight. As for improving gameplay, you could start by not insulting everyone 24-7.
#Irony
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: TWCAxew on July 29, 2018, 11:09:08 PM
HO First! Run Fast! :neener: :cheers:
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: Vraciu on July 29, 2018, 11:10:07 PM
Completely ignoring anything skullbonevracuisanchoo and what ever other name you sign in under
Fess I agree it was not a pick. Just frustrating coming over there they many times and getting killed by the same player with that amount of enemy players there. Especially when not a single player would engage 1v1. I guess if guys weren’t scared to fight in a cartoon airplane 1v1 and we were able to get more of them then some times the gang kills wouldn’t matter as much. But when you have been playing for two hours and every plane you came across alone ran at a 3k vis until he was surrounded by friendly guys it gets frustrating. Maybe I should run maybe I should start flying temps and 190s and learn to only pick and run. Might not help game play but I would die less and have more time to type on 200.
I feel your frustration. On reflection I did kill you several times there and can understand how you could think I was pick n running if there were other 51s that ran from fights. All I can do is assure you I was not.
As stated before, the gameplay is terrible when hordes are operating. Frustrating to be hammered by so many enemy and boring to be one of those trying to get a fight. You and I are more alike than you think.
My work takes me away 2 weeks out of 3 and with a renovation project on my home I get to fly 3 or 4 times a month now. I would prefer those sessions to be fun rather then negative.
I return home around the 10th August. Perhaps we should wing up and find some common ground and improve the game for both of us.
~S~
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: Vraciu on July 30, 2018, 12:53:16 AM
I feel your frustration. On reflection I did kill you several times there and can understand how you could think I was pick n running if there were other 51s that ran from fights. All I can do is assure you I was not.
As stated before, the gameplay is terrible when hordes are operating. Frustrating to be hammered by so many enemy and boring to be one of those trying to get a fight. You and I are more alike than you think.
My work takes me away 2 weeks out of 3 and with a renovation project on my home I get to fly 3 or 4 times a month now. I would prefer those sessions to be fun rather then negative.
I return home around the 10th August. Perhaps we should wing up and find some common ground and improve the game for both of us.
~S~
Stir up some 2v2s, too. Would be fun.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: nrshida on July 30, 2018, 03:55:50 AM
The way you've arranged your argument I merely have to supply one data point of evidence to corner you into apologising for calling me a liar or resorting to an ad hominem attack. Go on cowboy, pick up the gun :)
Fess has done exactly the same thing he's criticising Flippz for here. Getting shot down, not liking it, and making derogatory comments about the other players actions.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: Vraciu on July 30, 2018, 07:51:28 AM
The way you've arranged your argument I merely have to supply one data point of evidence to corner you into apologising for calling me a liar or resorting to an ad hominem attack. Go on cowboy, pick up the gun :)
Fess has done exactly the same thing he's criticising Flippz for here. Getting shot down, not liking it, and making derogatory comments about the other players actions.
Put up or shut up. A screenshot will be sufficient.
No, Fess has not whined like lippz did—and does, CONSTANTLY. I most certainly have never heard Fess whine that nobody in a horde will drop what they’re doing and 1 v 1 him.
I’ll accept your apology any time...
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: nrshida on July 30, 2018, 09:26:23 AM
Weird you seem to think you set the standard for satisfactory evidence. You do not. Your argument was of the 'for all' form, I think you used the word 'never'? That's blown to pieces by a single example of Fess complaining after getting shot down about the other player's methods (see attachment).
And it's not the first time I've seen Fess do things like this and / or rage quit on my Timezone. He has quite a reputation for it, as you'd observe on 200 right after he pops off. Hence my raised eyebrows at the OP. I think it's fine to get frustrated and vent off, but it's not fine that you can do it with impunity but never be at the receiving end of it. Embrace that you like the drama in that case and have at it <Shrug>
No, Fess has not whined like lippz did—and does, CONSTANTLY. I most certainly have never heard Fess whine that nobody in a horde will drop what they’re doing and 1 v 1 him.
That's a Straw man argument. The subject of the discussion was hypocrisy not whining. Flippz can whine non-stop on 200 and Fess can never whine at all, and you still have lost this argument.
Weird you seem to think you set the standard for satisfactory evidence. You do not. Your argument was of the 'for all' form, I think you used the word 'never'? That's blown to pieces by a single example of Fess complaining after getting shot down about the other player's methods (see attachment).
And it's not the first time I've seen Fess do things like this and / or rage quit on my Timezone. He has quite a reputation for it, as you'd observe on 200 right after he pops off. Hence my raised eyebrows at the OP. I think it's fine to get frustrated and vent off, but it's not fine that you can do it with impunity but never be at the receiving end of it. Embrace that you like the drama in that case and have at it <Shrug>
That's a Straw man argument. The subject of the discussion was hypocrisy not whining. Flippz can whine non-stop on 200 and Fess can never whine at all, and you still have lost this argument.
For what? Having different opinions / experiences to you?
Nice try.
Swing and a miss.
Fess is a big boy and hardly needs my help defending him but...
You falsely accused the man of whining about something he's never done then post what alleges to be a film of him complaining (about an entirely different subject). Talk about strawmen. Yours is burning. You're better than that.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: nrshida on July 30, 2018, 10:57:24 AM
I do think it is useful for flippz to see the fight from my end as the two sides of the fence often have differing opinions as to what went down.
Here's the objectionable double standard which I am (quite successfully) pointing out. Fess made no effort whatsoever to see my side of the fence after I shot him down. And no, I'm not butt-hurt at cheating accusations either, I average 5 of those per month (and don't even report them even though they techincally are EULA violations), it's just a pertinant example.
Filtering evidence automatically based on partisan motives and throwing out informal fallacy after informal fallacy is pure politics. I don't rate rhetoric very highly myself.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: Vraciu on July 30, 2018, 11:13:16 AM
No, I accused him of being hypocritical, and supplied evidence to that effect.
Here's the objectionable double standard which I am (quite successfully) pointing out. Fess made no effort whatsoever to see my side of the fence after I shot him down. And no, I'm not butt-hurt at cheating accusations either, I average 5 of those per month (and don't even report them even though they techincally are EULA violations), it's just a pertinant example.
Filtering evidence automatically based on partisan motives and throwing out informal fallacy after informal fallacy is pure politics. I don't rate rhetoric very highly myself.
I consider both of you guys friends.
Hypocrisy would be Fess whining about being picked--in a similar manner to lippz on 200. Fess is among the classiest guys in this game bar none. I've always considered you similarly. Certainly toward me.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: FESS67 on July 30, 2018, 04:09:48 PM
nrshida,
My posts in this thread have been conciliatory and you will see that I agree with flippz much more than I disagree with him. In fact the only point of contention is whether I picked or not. We have agreed it was not a pick and I believe we share common ground on all other aspects of the encounter.
I have offered to work with flippz to try to find more common ground and improve the game experience for both of us.
You seem determined to derail that process.
I am not sure where I am being hypocritical. My thread is pretty much “hey mate this is how it looked on my end”. I have not accused flippz of anything, simply stated that it was not how it looked.
I have also not tried to claim any sort of moral high ground. I have been vocal on 200 before and I am sure will be again, I do not see me claiming othwise nor chastising others for doing so.
flippz and I do not have the best of in game relationships and if you read through my posts here you can see I am trying to change that. Seems the biggest argument here is not between myself and flippz at all.
Once again I thank you for your input.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: Bruv119 on July 30, 2018, 05:07:19 PM
Kill or be killed. end of.
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: JOACH1M on July 30, 2018, 07:21:38 PM
Not a pick. Just garbage flying / descision making by flippz
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: flippz on July 30, 2018, 08:28:18 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: Vraciu on July 30, 2018, 08:43:00 PM
Almost to exclusion players want to get $15's worth of 'win' / ego-enhancement, venting rage from other areas of life, or narcisistic indulgence. While there may be a very few rare birds still around, the majority wants things to go their own way by any means all of the time and everything else is chaff and flares. You need to be decisive if you want to be part of that or not.
Look at what this thread shook out of its tree. Sometimes even friendships bridging those differences. Integrating that, learning about other people and yourself and adapting might be a more productive direction to put your energy into. That and applying your ACM more in the vert :)
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: TWCAxew on July 31, 2018, 08:17:35 AM
I am still wondering why no one noticed my new squad name :rofl
DutchVII
Title: Re: Flippz - this is me 'picking' your Tempest
Post by: Skuzzy on July 31, 2018, 09:24:14 AM