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Title: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: Vraciu on August 08, 2018, 05:12:40 PM
I have no data on this airplane other than it was 3 Squadron RAAF.   This is an amazing skin by Kev367th.  I managed to pull the paint chips out for the spec maps but left the Diffuse untouched.     This plane really holds up well.

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=394039.0;attach=30582)


(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=394039.0;attach=30586)


(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=394039.0;attach=30590)


The Original With the Default Maps:

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=394039.0;attach=30588)
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: lyric1 on August 09, 2018, 12:06:50 AM
Excellent as an Australian so happy this one is fixed. 3 squadron was the only Australian unit that seen combat in the P-51 so this is a big one for us.
Nicely done.  :rock

Little info on the plane.

(https://i.imgur.com/cTgKN4e.jpg)

http://www.aussiemodeller.com.au/pages/Gallery/Aircraft_A-D/Bradford_mustangIII.html

http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/3-Mustang/Mustang_KH616_3_Squadron

http://www.adf-serials.com.au/2a68d.htm

"KH616    P-51C-10-NT
Mustang III    111-29261    44-11128    Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control 18/11/44 - 26/12/44.
Originally coded CV-<> (Diamond), became CV-J after 13/12.
W/Off J.Quinn Shot Down 26/12/44."

Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: Vraciu on August 09, 2018, 10:02:35 AM
Excellent.  I will update it with that info.  Kev367th did an amazing job. 
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: Greebo on August 09, 2018, 10:51:02 AM
It looks a lot better with the new maps Vraciu. All Kev's skins are excellent, he was a very talented skinner.
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: lyric1 on August 09, 2018, 12:05:03 PM
Looks like none of the B/C models had the yellow leading edges or white stripes with 3 squadron.
Who new!

http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/3-Mustang/Jesi_Italy_c_September_1944_The_dispersal_area_of_No_3_Mustang_Squadron_RAAF_in_Northern_Italy_MEA2186

http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/3-Mustang/Jesi_Italy_c_September_1944_A_North_American_P51_Mustang_aircraft_of_No_3_Squadron_RAAF_lMEA2163

http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/3-Mustang/Fano_Italy_c_November_1944_An_airman_of_No_3_Mustang_Squadron_RAAF_stands_beside_his_aircraft_MEA2205
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: Vraciu on August 09, 2018, 02:05:49 PM
It looks a lot better with the new maps Vraciu. All Kev's skins are excellent, he was a very talented skinner.

Agreed.




Looks like none of the B/C models had the yellow leading edges or white stripes with 3 squadron.
Who new!

http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/3-Mustang/Jesi_Italy_c_September_1944_The_dispersal_area_of_No_3_Mustang_Squadron_RAAF_in_Northern_Italy_MEA2186

http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/3-Mustang/Jesi_Italy_c_September_1944_A_North_American_P51_Mustang_aircraft_of_No_3_Squadron_RAAF_lMEA2163

http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/3-Mustang/Fano_Italy_c_November_1944_An_airman_of_No_3_Mustang_Squadron_RAAF_stands_beside_his_aircraft_MEA2205

Guess that will be something to fix or have someone fix down the road then...   Interesting.
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: Devil 505 on August 09, 2018, 02:13:29 PM
Looks like none of the B/C models had the yellow leading edges or white stripes with 3 squadron.
Who new!

Sure looks like there's a white stripe on the wing of this plane. Agree with the lack of yellow leading edge, though.

(https://i.imgur.com/cTgKN4e.jpg)
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: Vraciu on August 09, 2018, 04:40:48 PM
Sure looks like there's a white stripe on the wing of this plane. Agree with the lack of yellow leading edge, though.

https://i.imgur.com/cTgKN4e.jpg[/img]

Quite a bit more to the outboard though...
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: Devil 505 on August 09, 2018, 04:45:12 PM
Quite a bit more to the outboard though...

Yes.
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: Guppy35 on August 09, 2018, 04:58:07 PM
From the bible on Aussie and New Zealand flown Mustangs "Southern Cross Mustangs" by David Muir.

The only photo proof out there of a Malcom hood Mustang in the MTO.  Same Squadron.  Flown down from England apparently with standard ETO markings.  Might be worth your while to make it historically accurate to a Malcom bird in that Squadron.

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/MTOMAlcom_zpspir1j6pc.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/MTOMAlcom_zpspir1j6pc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: Vraciu on August 09, 2018, 05:05:50 PM
From the bible on Aussie and New Zealand flown Mustangs "Southern Cross Mustangs" by David Muir.

The only photo proof out there of a Malcom hood Mustang in the MTO.  Same Squadron.  Flown down from England apparently with standard ETO markings.  Might be worth your while to make it historically accurate to a Malcom bird in that Squadron.

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/MTOMAlcom_zpspir1j6pc.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/MTOMAlcom_zpspir1j6pc.jpg.html)

Maybe, but this skin is way down the priority list.   I was restoring it not repainting it.   That said, if anyone wants it before I get around to a true update I can ask to transfer it.  Would be an easy fix either way.

Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: lyric1 on August 09, 2018, 11:57:50 PM
Sure looks like there's a white stripe on the wing of this plane. Agree with the lack of yellow leading edge, though.

(https://i.imgur.com/cTgKN4e.jpg)

You didn't read the link.

http://www.aussiemodeller.com.au/pages/Gallery/Aircraft_A-D/Bradford_mustangIII.html

"There were NO white ID bands around the wings, or tail plane on either version of KH616. "


 “Certainly (figure 1) gives no indication of white stripes on the leading edge of the tailplane, and the appearance of a white "stripe" on the near wing is probably an unfortunate combination of the red-doped gun ports on the wing leading edge (just outboard of the u/c leg) and some sort of (exhaust? spilt fuel?) staining. The lighter area visible is definitely not in the standard location for the white stripe seen on British-based Mustangs.”
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: lyric1 on August 10, 2018, 12:11:42 AM
From the bible on Aussie and New Zealand flown Mustangs "Southern Cross Mustangs" by David Muir.

The only photo proof out there of a Malcom hood Mustang in the MTO.  Same Squadron.  Flown down from England apparently with standard ETO markings.  Might be worth your while to make it historically accurate to a Malcom bird in that Squadron.

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/MTOMAlcom_zpspir1j6pc.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/MTOMAlcom_zpspir1j6pc.jpg.html)

Some history on this plane.

FB128    P-51C-1-NT
Mustang III    103-22459    42-103022    Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control 11/4/45 - 20/5/45.
From U.K stocks. CV-◊(Diamond).
Undercarriage collapsed on landing 20 May 45 when flown by F/Off Fleming. Cat II.
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: lyric1 on August 10, 2018, 12:19:00 AM
No visible stripes on this one.

(https://i.imgur.com/sI456Pq.jpg)

If this is the standard placing on MTO RAF birds they should be visible.

(https://i.imgur.com/BM94Mt6.jpg)
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: Devil 505 on August 10, 2018, 12:58:44 AM
“Certainly (figure 1) gives no indication of white stripes on the leading edge of the tailplane, and the appearance of a white "stripe" on the near wing is probably an unfortunate combination of the red-doped gun ports on the wing leading edge (just outboard of the u/c leg) and some sort of (exhaust? spilt fuel?) staining. The lighter area visible is definitely not in the standard location for the white stripe seen on British-based Mustangs.”

I'm not buying the dope portion, the red in the roundels is very dark in the image.

A fuel spill eating through the paint? maybe. The problem is that spilled fuel should flow down to the rear if spilled. so barring some fool spraying fuel forward/up the wing and it removing paint on the gear door perfectly perpendicular to the direction it would flow off the wing - and also almost perfectly in line with the inboard edge of the removed paint on the wing with the door closed.

Sorry. That's a white painted stripe in my mind.
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: lyric1 on August 10, 2018, 01:57:18 AM
I'm not buying the dope portion, the red in the roundels is very dark in the image.

A fuel spill eating through the paint? maybe. The problem is that spilled fuel should flow down to the rear if spilled. so barring some fool spraying fuel forward/up the wing and it removing paint on the gear door perfectly perpendicular to the direction it would flow off the wing - and also almost perfectly in line with the inboard edge of the removed paint on the wing with the door closed.

Sorry. That's a white painted stripe in my mind.

Found a cleaner image and possibly the same plane with the spinner having the paint chipped off like the first photo in the second image. Stripe is there. The early diamond version along with two others show no paint on top though. Maybe just the undersides were done? Looked at a few other B versions with 3 squadron none that I can see have the undersides done either,maybe just on the plane in question?

(https://i.imgur.com/IfrcHDw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5G3ksi1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vppF15w.jpg)


None in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VShn7X2JYYE
Title: Re: P-51B "KH616" (CV-J) - 3 Squadron RAAF by Kev367th - Spec Map Update
Post by: Vraciu on August 10, 2018, 07:18:39 PM
I may have to tackle this one sooner than later.  Agree with Devil.   That is definitely a stripe of some type.