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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lunatic1 on August 18, 2018, 02:03:19 PM
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the yak3 needs to be perked, with an ENY value of 5 or 10- and if you ask why then you either fly it or never flown against it, a lot of players say-(mostly victims) say it is greatly over modeled- I'm just voicing a lot of complaints about the yak3-
shoot me down and burn me up-just saying.
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Need to bomb the Stalin wood strat on the planet pandorum.
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The Yak-3 has short legs and a light armament with very limited ammunition. It's not the fastest ride around either. If you perk the Yak-3 then you'd have to perk a whole lot of other stuff (K4, D9, 51D, 47M etc).
I've never had an issue in dealing with Yak-3s. IMHO the 9U is a superior ride, and the 9T is better for base defense in that it can deal with armour (I managed to pop my first T-34 turret last night, made 1hurless very grumpy)
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If you perk the Yak-3 then you'd have to perk a whole lot of other stuff (K4, D9, 51D, 47M etc).
:rock
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Lower ENY yes, Perk no.
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Lower ENY yes, Perk no.
This.
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The perk system is a way for HTC to introduce some interesting but otherwise unbalancing planes on a limited basis but the benefits go deeper than that. Perk planes (and vehicles) would be things like Me 262s, Ta 152s, Tempests, B-29s, Ar 234s, Tiger IIs, etc. These are interesting rides but would be very unbalancing if they were available on an unlimited basis.
Now tell me why you would like to perk the Yak-3 before the P-51D, for example:
(https://i.imgur.com/IkK9rzu.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/CL01lc8.png)
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It should definitely be a 5 eny right with the La7 and spit16.
Non perked just because of the ammo.
This plane can climb straight up beyond belief.
It can take at least 3 20mm right to the plane with little to no damage.
It's very small which makes it extremely hard to hit when you do try to shoot it. It's only weakness is long range and Ammo, which is hardly a weekness since it is a 20mm.
It's like a yak9u hopped up on Mountain Dew.
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Now tell me why you would like to perk the Yak-3 before the P-51D, for example:
(https://i.imgur.com/IkK9rzu.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/CL01lc8.png)
Look at the K/D for the 190D compared to the P51. You can see how the 190D has single handedly made the fights a lot more boring in the MA because its an E flying type of plane that can extend from almost any plane at any alt.
It also has 500 cannons.
The P51 also climbs slower, has 50cals that don't do enough damage, is slow on the deck, slow excelaration and means you have to be a lot more patient regaining your alt before entering the fight.
IMO, the 190D is better suited for the MA from a fighter perspective than the P51. And I think the 190D is a big reason for the lack or slow down of fights in the MA. Run. Pick. run. Makes the 190D boring to engage. So it should be like an 7-8 eny if you ask me.
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It should definitely be a 5 eny right with the La7 and spit16.
Non perked just because of the ammo.
This plane can climb straight up beyond belief.
It can take at least 3 20mm right to the plane with little to no damage.
It's very small which makes it extremely hard to hit when you do try to shoot it. It's only weakness is long range and Ammo, which is hardly a weekness since it is a 20mm.
It's like a yak9u hopped up on Mountain Dew.
lol hopped up on mountain dew is copyrighted by Ricky Bobby inc.!! :devil care of Texas ranger :aok
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Now tell me why you would like to perk the Yak-3 before the P-51D, for example:
...because...because...it JUST ISN'T FAIR!
- Oldman the Sensitive
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IMO, the 190D is better suited for the MA from a fighter perspective than the P51.
The P-51D can carry enough ords to knock down a hangar or go a long way towards sinking a carrier. The 190D can't. That extra capability seems to be included in ENY determination (which IMO it should); compare the F4U-1D which has a lower ENY than the -1A which is better at A to A combat.
I see no reason to perk any of these planes, though.
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the yak3 needs to be perked, with an ENY value of 5 or 10- and if you ask why then you either fly it or never flown against it, a lot of players say-(mostly victims) say it is greatly over modeled- I'm just voicing a lot of complaints about the yak3-
shoot me down and burn me up-just saying.
God your such a whiner when your invested and you lose.
:bolt:
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Perks?
Play for a bit and get perks
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Perks?
Play for a bit and get perks
This.... even more so when you rarely use them.
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I'd use perks to with sides. :D
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The Yak-3 has no business being over 10 ENY. Very forgiving and easy to fly, great performance and suspiciously durable for it's size and weight.
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By far the biggest problem with the Yak3 is its durability. It regularly soaks up as much damage as a B17.
Does it need a perk? I don’t think so. Noobs have to have something to be competitive in.
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By far the biggest problem with the Yak3 is its durability. It regularly soaks up as much damage as a B17.
Does it need a perk? I don’t think so. Noobs have to have something to be competitive in.
So, why the Yak-3 and not the -9? What am I missing?
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So, why the Yak-3 and not the -9? What am I missing?
Most prevalent,I guess? I do find myself questioning the Damage Model with ALL YAKS. Have trouble locking the down...like Wing Shooting Dove with a Kiddie Bow using the Plunger Tip Arrows :furious
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Let’s just agree to reduce the amount of perks the tempest uses
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So, why the Yak-3 and not the -9? What am I missing?
The Yak-3 has a far superior climb rate below 15K and turns better. The Yak-9's advantage in speed is not significant until over 13K.
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Here are some links to give an idea of how durable the wood construction of VVS fighters was and still is.
http://miliblog.co.uk/?p=1957&creativepage=2
https://rebrn.com/re/a-finnish-soldier-inside-the-cockpit-of-a-yak-d-that-was-crash-l-2873436/
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/102740799/plane-crashes-at-warbirds-over-wanaka-international-airshow
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Wood planes are part of a radical splinter group.
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Wood planes are part of a radical splinter group.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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The Yak-3 has a far superior climb rate below 15K and turns better. The Yak-9's advantage in speed is not significant until over 13K.
So the Yak-9 is basically a Russian P-51...sorta.
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The 9u has longer legs, is faster, and can reach a higher terminal speed. The 3 climbs better and has a “marginal advantage in turn.
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Here are some links to give an idea of how durable the wood construction of VVS fighters was and still is.
And yet the Mosquito, which uses similar but superior materials in a superior design, in AH loses enormous parts quite readily. :headscratch:
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And yet the Mosquito, which uses similar but superior materials in a superior design, in AH loses enormous parts quite readily. :headscratch:
Buff mosquitoes!! I am all for it :old:
DutchVII
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never have had any problem against any yak in the 51D.
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My concerns of the 2-tonne fighter plane : the Yak-3, and how I think HTC should deal with it.
with ridiculous angles you can climb with forever , rudder authority that should have been lost many mph down the road, can't be that hard to change that, is it ?
It's wonder durability has been questioned - its still the plane all want to be in when getting shot at, sometimes it even absorb double digits of 20mms, it can't be that far off from a LA-7 damage - Stalin-wood or not, use the LA-7 damage model and apply it to the Yak-3,
Unlimited WEP: the engine of the Yak-3 were prone to overheating like many other hot rods flying in late ww2, but Yak's are the only one's who can disregard that totally - more than 20mins of continuous WEP- please set a appropriate number of minutes on it, and don't treat it as exception to a rule.
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never have had any problem against any yak in the 51D.
Tell us your secret! :x
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My concerns of the 2-tonne fighter plane : the Yak-3, and how I think HTC should deal with it.
with ridiculous angles you can climb with forever , rudder authority that should have been lost many mph down the road, can't be that hard to change that, is it ?
It's wonder durability has been questioned - its still the plane all want to be in when getting shot at, sometimes it even absorb double digits of 20mms, it can't be that far off from a LA-7 damage - Stalin-wood or not, use the LA-7 damage model and apply it to the Yak-3,
Unlimited WEP: the engine of the Yak-3 were prone to overheating like many other hot rods flying in late ww2, but Yak's are the only one's who can disregard that totally - more than 20mins of continuous WEP- please set a appropriate number of minutes on it, and don't treat it as exception to a rule.
The Yak3 does not have WEP.
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I transitioned from Yakd to 109s two years ago. Although I seem to be much more successful with a 109, I find killing yak3s to be the biggest pain of all Aircraft. I would much rather deal with La7s which I can both climb with and turn with, and Spits which are fragile and slow.
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It has been said the Yak3 can take a lot of damage, but not when I am flying it. :frown:
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Since it was overheating at full power, restriction how long you could fly it on full power should be imposed, with cool-down period like other planes.
The Yak3 does not have WEP.
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Since it was overheating at full power, restriction how long you could fly it on full power should be imposed, with cool-down period like other planes.
I am NO expert,BUT I read, and stay in Holiday Express....The way "WEP" is modeled in AH is a tad wonky. In AH the "WEP" select planes,use it to model Methanol/water injection...HOWEVER mOSt planes in game THAT HAVE selective WEP DID NOT HAVE THIS...its modeled to act as the SUPER CHARGER/Turbo what ever you want to call it. I really dont mind this...if it was modeled any better/and I believe HT bridged the gap between historic/practical way for our game/ you would be flying like these systems used in DCS. IT WAS EMERGENCY...NOT climb out..ect ect. It would do serious harm to engines. So we have it modeled towards the HIGH END of each planes performance. The Yak3 benifits from this the MOST as Save eluded too. The yak was a pain unless paid TEDIOUS attention to temp and oil pressure settings. It was a FUNNY CAR engine in a Shriner's Clown Car. If I understand what I read anyway :cheers:
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never have had any problem against any yak in the 51D.
Ditto. The most common comment I get in the 9U about damage is why can I take so much, usually it is because people are not hitting me. The Yak 3 and 9 are quite small aircraft.
For all the people complaining in this thread I'd recommend flying a -3 or -9 for a month before you pass judgement on damage models.
The stats for the -3 aren't that amazing, and the top pilot in the -3 is incredibly timid (similar to some pony pilots).
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Ditto. The most common comment I get in the 9U about damage is why can I take so much, usually it is because people are not hitting me. The Yak 3 and 9 are quite small aircraft.
For all the people complaining in this thread I'd recommend flying a -3 or -9 for a month before you pass judgement on damage models.
The stats for the -3 aren't that amazing, and the top pilot in the -3 is incredibly timid (similar to some pony pilots).
I've lit a YAK-9 up from nose to tail more times than I can count only to see it fly away like nothing happened.
Anecdotal, but the thing definitely has a density approaching concrete.
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Equal pilots in 51 vs yak3.. yak3 wins every time.
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Tell us your secret! :x
One way is to take a noob under your wing. Sort of like taking someone with you fishing in Alaska that runs slower than you do. It is all you need against bears. :D
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I am NO expert,BUT I read, and stay in Holiday Express....The way "WEP" is modeled in AH is a tad wonky. In AH the "WEP" select planes,use it to model Methanol/water injection...HOWEVER mOSt planes in game THAT HAVE selective WEP DID NOT HAVE THIS...its modeled to act as the SUPER CHARGER/Turbo what ever you want to call it. I really dont mind this...if it was modeled any better/and I believe HT bridged the gap between historic/practical way for our game/ you would be flying like these systems used in DCS. IT WAS EMERGENCY...NOT climb out..ect ect. It would do serious harm to engines. So we have it modeled towards the HIGH END of each planes performance. The Yak3 benifits from this the MOST as Save eluded too. The yak was a pain unless paid TEDIOUS attention to temp and oil pressure settings. It was a FUNNY CAR engine in a Shriner's Clown Car. If I understand what I read anyway :cheers:
I can tell when you are in one as your head sticks out of the top.
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One way is to take a noob under your wing. Sort of like taking someone with you fishing in Alaska that runs slower than you do. It is all you need against bears. :D
"Why are you putting on your tennis shoes? You can't outrun that bear."
"I don't have to outrun the bear--I just have to outrun YOU."
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Equal pilots in 51 vs yak3.. yak3 wins every time.
not at 30k :)
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I've lit a YAK-9 up from nose to tail more times than I can count only to see it fly away like nothing happened.
Anecdotal, but the thing definitely has a density approaching concrete.
The guns are glass, it probably flew away because you took the guns out. The wing tanks drain almost instantly when hit. And the rudder comes off easy. PW's are fairly common.
The thing is the Yak can usually choose to disengage once hit.
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If you don't care about dying, the Yak3 is a much better plane to use in the MA than the P51 from a fighter perspective.
90% of fights are down low
Yak has better exceleration to escape planes coming for it.
Yak is smaller, lighter, hard to see, and shoot at
Yak is very hard to rope
Yak turns almost as well or the same as a 109K
Yak can dive better than a 109K and a spit.
P51s are much easier to pick. Are slower off the gun, and are really only successful if you can stay fast and out of the hoard.
The yak really accels in low fights where most of the action is. This means it's great for furballing if you don't care about dying because you can hop in quickly for shots and then outrun most planes that are coming to pick you.
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not at 30k :)
Ffft. Not for long. Pigs in outer space. The fight goes one direction--downhill.
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"Why are you putting on your tennis shoes? You can't outrun that bear."
"I don't have to outrun the bear--I just have to outrun YOU."
Hehehe
Another one is you only need one bullit. To shoot your fishing partner in the leg.
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Hehehe
Another one is you only need one bullit. To shoot your fishing partner in the leg.
HA HA HA! Nice.
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the yak3 needs to be perked
Is the Spit 16 (or 9) (or 8) perked? Is the Ki84 perked? Are the A6M5 or the Brewster perked? No?
There should always be good, non-perked planes available to even the skill match. If you think the Yak 3 is too easy (and I agree with you, it's the Russian version of the Spit 16), then don't fly it. Leave it to others. You'll retain your self-respect, and give a useful handicap to people who haven't been here as long as you have.
- oldman
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and you wont need a shower after flying it!! LOL
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Equal pilots in 51 vs yak3.. yak3 wins every time.
With two equally good pilots in a dueling like setup I'd mostly agree.
With bad to average pilots in a MA setup, things are often a bit different.
For example, for a good pilot able to shoot precisely, the relatively light nose mounted armament of the Yak is just fine. An average (or worse) shooter is likely to waste the very short clip. The same pilot would have less trouble to achieve a certain number of hits with the wing mounted guns of the P-51 putting out a much higher volume of fire and ammo to waste.
This, and other differences between those two planes end up in much less of a dominance in A2A combat of the Yak-3 than one might think, as shown in my charts above.
In direct comparison, the Yak had 1247 kills of the P-51D while the Pony had 1197 kills of the Yak-3 (first seven tours of 2018), for ratio of merely 1.05-1.
Is the Spit 16 (or 9) (or 8) perked? Is the Ki84 perked? Are the A6M5 or the Brewster perked? No?
I always wonder how the Brewster ends up in that list. No other non bomb truck hands out so many kills to other fighters in the MA as the B-239 does :)
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I always wonder how the Brewster ends up in that list. No other non bomb truck hands out so many kills to other fighters in the MA as the B-239 does :)
Brewster's will be upped from capped field's. It's a defenders best friemd, in ah 2 you could fly it perfectly fine with 2 half wings. Also it's miss understood by many players. It can be one of the hardest planes to actual kill if the pilot has good sa. :bolt:
DutchVII
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Brewster's will be upped from capped field's
So are other planes, which also are much better suited to that role. The Brewster would be not a very good choice, because of it's rather bad acceleration/climb rate.
But my point was about the realities of the MA combat, which is the main guide for perking planes. Perking is about balancing the MA, and the Brewster dies a lot more than it kills. Therefore I#m irritated when it's put onto the same page with La's, Spitfires and N1ks :old:
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The no wing plane is still a falid point though which makes it pretty uber :bolt:
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Is the Spit 16 (or 9) (or 8) perked? Is the Ki84 perked? Are the A6M5 or the Brewster perked? No?
There should always be good, non-perked planes available to even the skill match. If you think the Yak 3 is too easy (and I agree with you, it's the Russian version of the Spit 16), then don't fly it. Leave it to others. You'll retain your self-respect, and give a useful handicap to people who haven't been here as long as you have.
- oldman
I don't fly it. My skill level is so high that I can't even find it.
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With two equally good pilots in a dueling like setup I'd mostly agree.
With bad to average pilots in a MA setup, things are often a bit different.
For example, for a good pilot able to shoot precisely, the relatively light nose mounted armament of the Yak is just fine. An average (or worse) shooter is likely to waste the very short clip.
Magazine. :old:
The same pilot would have less trouble to achieve a certain number of hits with the wing mounted guns of the P-51 putting out a much higher volume of fire and ammo to waste.
This, and other differences between those two planes end up in much less of a dominance in A2A combat of the Yak-3 than one might think, as shown in my charts above.
In direct comparison, the Yak had 1247 kills of the P-51D while the Pony had 1197 kills of the Yak-3 (first seven tours of 2018), for ratio of merely 1.05-1.
I always wonder how the Brewster ends up in that list. No other non bomb truck hands out so many kills to other fighters in the MA as the B-239 does :)
Lazer’s premise holds in my view. The Yak is far more nimble. The only way out are gonna beat him is if he makes a mistake, all other things being equal.
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Magazine. :old:
<- bows head in shame
Lazer’s premise holds in my view. The Yak is far more nimble. The only way out are gonna beat him is if he makes a mistake, all other things being equal.
Of course it is. But the last sentence only works guaranteed if both pilots are on the same 'good' skill level. With two equally average or bad players the armament quickly becomes more important. And, also as said before, the MA is no DA, which results in a fairly equal K/D between the Yak-3. (Keep in mind what constitutes 'average' is being mostly overestimated here on the boards)
Would I fight against my clone in a 'honorable' duel setting , most probably Yak-3 guy would win easily. Acceleration, nimbleness would all work for him and he's good enough of a shooter to fully utilise the beauty of that center line armament. He'd be all over my Pony clone. :ahand
But as a dirty killing machine in a populated MA environment, I'd take the D pony all day as long as it's about killing and not a dancing contest :devil
That doesn't mean it's a bad plane. It's a wicked fighter made for top fighter jocks. You just have to put the strength's and weaknesses in context of the combat environment.
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<- bows head in shame
:rofl :aok
Of course it is. But the last sentence only works guaranteed if both pilots are on the same 'good' skill level. With two equally average or bad players the armament quickly becomes more important. And, also as said before, the MA is no DA, which results in a fairly equal K/D between the Yak-3. (Keep in mind what constitutes 'average' is being mostly overestimated here on the boards)
Would I fight against my clone in a 'honorable' duel setting , most probably Yak-3 guy would win easily. Acceleration, nimbleness would all work for him and he's good enough of a shooter to fully utilise the beauty of that center line armament. He'd be all over my Pony clone. :ahand
But as a dirty killing machine in a populated MA environment, I'd take the D pony all day as long as it's about killing and not a dancing contest :devil
That doesn't mean it's a bad plane. It's a wicked fighter made for top fighter jocks. You just have to put the strength's and weaknesses in context of the combat environment.
I dunno, man, if you can't hit with a cannon that will do massive damage and can't really hit with MGs that do minimal damage... Sounds like luck will play a big part.
One thing about the Yak is it definitely runs out of ammo fast. So if you can make the guy miss a lot then you can fight without fear, but getting a shot on that thing is tough in a 51.
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:rofl :aok
I dunno, man, if you can't hit with a cannon that will do massive damage and can't really hit with MGs that do minimal damage... Sounds like luck will play a big part.
One thing about the Yak is it definitely runs out of ammo fast. So if you can make the guy miss a lot then you can fight without fear, but getting a shot on that thing is tough in a 51.
Not to mention they always try to fly through the tails on a 38. :aok
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Not to mention they always try to fly through the tails on a 38. :aok
Seriously??????????????? :confused:
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You have to be a lot more patient in the P51 than the Yak3. The fuel limit also means you have to be more aggressive than the P51. This means that the yak would be a better choice for new players, it would also help them learn to aim, than the P51. Most of the time, new players don't fly patiently and end up low and slow on the deck. This is a much better position for Yak than the P51, and thus makes it easier for new players to get away from pickers. That being said the yak gets down low a lot, and that helps it get picked most of the time. That's why turny birds like the like spit and ki84 have a lot more deaths than a 190D. You can guess which is more fun to fight in the MA.
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You can guess which is more fun to fight in the MA.
I was unable to find my fun / frustration ratio on the score page :old:
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The Yak3's slow acceleration is what I don't like and it is slow. Once at speed it's not bad.
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The Yak3's slow acceleration is what I don't like and it is slow. Once at speed it's not bad.
The Yak-3 is one of the best accelerating planes in the field, right in the Spit 16 class.
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Seriously??????????????? :confused:
Sure.... have I ever not been straight up and factual with everyone?
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/Shuff_photos/12105.jpg)
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You have to be a lot more patient in the P51 than the Yak3.
Getting the right shot takes patience in the yaks given you have so little ammo. Whereas many pony pilots just hose the sky from 800 out hoping for hit (and wondering why that yak takes so much damage!).
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Getting the right shot takes patience in the yaks given you have so little ammo. Whereas many pony pilots just hose the sky from 800 out hoping for hit (and wondering why that yak takes so much damage!).
I've hammered them at D400 nose to tail and watched them fly blissflully along their merry way. Even a Jug is missing parts if it doesn't blow up under the same hammering.
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The Yak3's slow acceleration is what I don't like and it is slow. Once at speed it's not bad.
The Yak-3 is one of the best accelerating planes in the field, right in the Spit 16 class.
Just ran a lil test: Acceleration at sea level (between 100 and 200 ft):
(https://i.imgur.com/kNUqV28.png)
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Just ran a lil test: Acceleration at sea level (between 100 and 200 ft):
You know, it can be irritating when people prove you wrong with objective facts.
- oldman (hey, just ask me how I know)
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I've hammered them at D400 nose to tail and watched them fly blissflully along their merry way. Even a Jug is missing parts if it doesn't blow up under the same hammering.
I've had plenty of people tell me how tough my yak is when they've completely missed me/ or landed very few hits (especially stuff with wing mounted guns). Nose to tail = engine > guns > pilot > rudder. Fuel is in the wings.
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I've had plenty of people tell me how tough my yak is when they've completely missed me/ or landed very few hits (especially stuff with wing mounted guns). Nose to tail = engine > guns > pilot > rudder. Fuel is in the wings.
The hits you hear do not equate with the exact number of rounds hitting you.
Popular perception is the Yak is very tough. I would take the consensus opinion over the opinion of a Yak driver for obvious reasons.
The P-47 was considered a rugged airplane in real life, but the AH version is like paper mache compared to the Yak-3.
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Lower ENY yes, Perk no.
works for me-something needs to be done
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works for me-something needs to be done
Why?
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ok so don't perk the yak3 but it needs something. yeah it has limited ammo-so use short bursts
the yak3 cruises at 300+ miles per hour.
a 5 eny would be nice.
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thank you for you're thoughts I didn't get flamed as bad as I thought I would.
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the yak3 cruises at 300+ miles per hour.
Almost every fighter in AH does :)
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thank you for you're thoughts I didn't get flamed as bad as I thought I would.
Now where did I put that naphtha?
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Guns and fuel capacity are justification for 15+ ENY. The real question is why is the La-5FN 30 ENY?
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The P-47 was considered a rugged airplane in real life, but the AH version is like paper mache compared to the Yak-3.
I disagree, the jug is a very tough aircraft to bring down. Especially if you have 1 cannon and 2 mgs with limited ammo.
How much time do you spend in Yaks?
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The real question is why is the La-5FN 30 ENY?
For perk farming, along with the 35 ENY P-47D-11 :devil
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For perk farming, along with the 35 ENY P-47D-11 :devil
I use the P-38j
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I disagree, the jug is a very tough aircraft to bring down. Especially if you have 1 cannon and 2 mgs with limited ammo.
How much time do you spend in Yaks?
My all time use of Yaks, not including an additional 119kills/30 deaths in the Yak-7b from the current tour:
(https://s19.postimg.cc/fltle2d37/all_yaks.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Not a lot, but enough to form an opinion.
My experience fighting Yaks is subjective, just like yours is from flying them. They are very difficult to beat and even harder to kill.
A Jug is not flimsy but doesn't hold up nearly as well as the Yak-3. From what I've heard, most people agree.
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My all time use of Yaks, not including an additional 119kills/30 deaths in the Yak-7b from the current tour:
(https://s19.postimg.cc/fltle2d37/all_yaks.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Not a lot, but enough to form an opinion.
My experience fighting Yaks is subjective, just like yours is from flying them. They are very difficult to beat and even harder to kill.
A Jug is not flimsy but doesn't hold up nearly as well as the Yak-3. From what I've heard, most people agree.
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove? Jugs take a huge amount of hits, as one of my favourite foes are the 56th guys.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to prove? Jugs take a huge amount of hits, as one of my favourite foes are the 56th guys.
I’d rather have one AH 20mm than 8 AH .50s.
And the Yak3 in particular takes a tremendous amount of punishment. As much or more than any 47 only it’s 1/2 the size and harder to hit.
And you’re a blast to fight as well.
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I’d rather have one AH 20mm than 8 AH .50s.
And the Yak3 in particular takes a tremendous amount of punishment. As much or more than any 47 only it’s 1/2 the size and harder to hit.
And you’re a blast to fight as well.
Mako switched sides and tried to HO my Yak-7t today, was amusing seeing all the bits of him fluttering around the sky.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to prove? Jugs take a huge amount of hits, as one of my favourite foes are the 56th guys.
Not trying to prove anything. You asked how much time I spent in Yaks. And a good P-47 pilot does not make the plane any better.
And the Yak3 in particular takes a tremendous amount of punishment. As much or more than any 47 only it’s 1/2 the size and harder to hit.
This guy seems to think Yaks are very tough.
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Bottom line, yaks are tough. No amount of slow cooking technique will change that.
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I’d rather have one AH 20mm than 8 AH .50s.
those 50 cals are like lazer beams from 800 out. if I didn't like fighting so much I would surely fly a 47, and if I ever get my views in the f4s fixed I would fly that more for the ammo load and guns.
you come up on some one like you or rud3 or yucca in a 50 cal plane the standards for AH do not apply as yall have them dialed in and lethal. goos and Humboldt are in the same class, if you don't stay super close to yall to stay from in front of the nose of those planes you are sure to wind up with a few extra holes in the nogan.
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The range of the Yak3 is a lot better than what people think. Just because it is modeled with unlimited WEP as 100% MIL power, does not mean that you have to cruise with the throttle firewalled all the time. Many other planes will not get very far if the fly on WEP all the time.
As for the durability, it seems like a dice roll. Sometimes they go puff at the first hit, and other times I lit them up with quad hispanos with the only visible effect is the gear falling off. Part of the problem is that the plane is so small that even the tight spread of 4 nose mounted cannons will cover almost the entire plane from 350--400 yards. If you fly a P47N the entire Yak3 can fit between your left and right guns. So the yak3 is very good at spreading damage, and it is just a matter of luck to get some hits registered on the same component.
In term of how it flies, it seems to suffer almost no added drag on the edge of stall. So even though the lowest controllable speed is quite high (100mph), it can still pull its nose way up and soar at near 4000 fpm - stall buzzer yelling and rudder at full deflection. Infact, this plane does not stall at all (except accelerated stalls) - its lowest speed is limited by the rudder ability to counter the torque, while most planes deep into the stall sink and fall out of the skies as they lose lift on the wings or that their engines cannot counter the drag (so they lose even more speed and then sink).
Some of the above features are not unique to the Yak3, and are common to all high powered small planes in AH (Spit 16 is quite close in low speed performance quirks, brewster in damage sponge oddities). It is just that the yak3 manages to get the maximum abuse of all these artifacts.
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Speaking of early yaks.... I had a friend with a wooden eye that went to a dance. He finally worked up the nerve to ask this hair lip girl to dance. When he did she said, "would I". He looked at her disgustedly and said "hair lip, turned and walked off.
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:rofl
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Mako switched sides and tried to HO my Yak-7t today, was amusing seeing all the bits of him fluttering around the sky.
#Butthurt
Right Mako, my brother? :neener: :banana: :rofl :cheers: :salute
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So, why the Yak-3 and not the -9? What am I missing?
This is why
(http://i66.tinypic.com/wgpd0.jpg)
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This is a old film where Bozon is trying to kill a Yak-3 with 4*Hispano's only, if anyone have ANY doubts about Yak-3 durability after this pictorial from his film.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,369327.msg4921618.html#msg4921618 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,369327.msg4921618.html#msg4921618)
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Strange, I don't have any problems with the guns on the P-38 in taking down a Yak3. Then again I tend to aim at vital points so my rounds cause critical damage.
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This is a old film where Bozon is trying to kill a Yak-3 with 4*Hispano's only, if anyone have ANY doubts about Yak-3 durability after this pictorial from his film.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,369327.msg4921618.html#msg4921618 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,369327.msg4921618.html#msg4921618)
Link to the start of the pictorial.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,369327.0.html
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(https://s19.postimg.cc/7116pvt5f/yak3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/l7gxl440f/)
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Strange, I don't have any problems with the guns on the P-38 in taking down a Yak3. Then again I tend to aim at vital points so my rounds cause critical damage.
Tough + small seems to be a combination that really makes something tough to kill on here.
Your P38's guns are so tightly grouped, if you connect more of your rounds are hitting the same area compared to a wing mounted plane. That's likely why it's less of an issue for you. If something else is not shooting at convergence, more of the rounds are going to miss, or hit different areas of the plane.
Wiley.
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Tough + small seems to be a combination that really makes something tough to kill on here.
Your P38's guns are so tightly grouped, if you connect more of your rounds are hitting the same area compared to a wing mounted plane. That's likely why it's less of an issue for you. If something else is not shooting at convergence, more of the rounds are going to miss, or hit different areas of the plane.
Wiley.
And precious few people have the surgical precision to aim for specific parts, especially as the Yak is usually flopping all over the place when you draw a bead on it.
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And precious few people have the surgical precision to aim for specific parts, especially as the Yak is usually flopping all over the place when you draw a bead on it.
Well, the thing with the 38, if you're hitting, you're hitting with pretty much everything in a small area. That's why it's so effective. Doesn't matter what part you're hitting, you've got that tight stream of bullets so it all goes into whatever part you hit, as opposed to hitting multiple spots on the aircraft.
The Mossie's the same more or less, but that pictorial is still insane.
Wiley.
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Equal pilots in 51 vs yak3.. yak3 wins every time.
Even unequal pilots, like me :D
I like seeing a P-51 in my -3
[ sorry didn't read all 7 pages ]
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Even unequal pilots, like me :D
I like seeing a P-51 in my -3
[ sorry didn't read all 7 pages ]
You are an UNEQUAL pilot.
:O
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Yak9 is a better overall plane but it did not seem get the titanium bits the yak3 got.
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Is our Yak-3 the version with the VK-105PF2, VK-107A or VK-108 engine?
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it should be the M-105PF engine, or else it would have another name (like Yak-3P)
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the yak3 needs to be perked, with an ENY value of 5 or 10- and if you ask why then you either fly it or never flown against it, a lot of players say-(mostly victims) say it is greatly over modeled- I'm just voicing a lot of complaints about the yak3-
shoot me down and burn me up-just saying.
I heard you lunatic, but to me Yaks are easier to kill than Spits. Spits have two canons Yaks only have one, and spits turn better. The yak (seems to have) has reduced the number of Spits and the game is better for it. I'd leave it. :salute