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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: alskahawk on October 17, 2018, 11:37:59 AM
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So it's time for a new stick. My Ch Fighter stick isn't performing like it should. So the question is, do I upgrade to a Warthog (with throttle) or go with another Fighter stick.
Current setup
CH Pro Pedals
CH Pro Throttle
CH Fighter stick
USB/Win 10
All of these items are old. The peddles/throttle are 15 years? + Joystick is maybe 6-7 years old. The Joystick goes wonky in flight. Particularly in tight turns. it just won't hold.
So is a $500 Warthog setup worth the money? vs a $150 new flight stick?
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I had the same setup. I got a warthog stick and still use my old CH pedals and throttle. Works great and is cheaper than going for the whole warthog setup when I didn't need it.
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I would not recommend a Warthog because the gimbal is plastic and wears out. The T50 and VKB sticks are better choices.
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I would not recommend a Warthog because the gimbal is plastic and wears out. The T50 and VKB sticks are better choices.
:aok agree
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I have the VKB Gunfighter/MCG-Pro and it's light years better than the CH Fighterstick it replaced. Bullet proof construction, modern sensors and hyper configurable. Buttons out the wahzoo. But also $$$.
Also have MFG Crosswinds pedals. Again, far better than the CH and Saitek pedals they replaced. Much smoother with metal bearings and better sensors. But also $$$.
Still using the CH throttle until something else comes out or it dies. VKB is working on a throttle that looks super awesome but might be a year or more away from being obtainable. But when it is---$$$.
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The Warthog throttle is nice. No complaints.
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VKB and Virple are great sticks, BUT if you want a new stick NOW it is probably not the best option for you. It is also a good idea to have an extra stick around if you go that route just in case. Spare parts take a good deal of time to get too.
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As for the warthog I agree that the plastic gimble will wear quicker, and is not made to be customized. Aside from that it is a nice stick. I use one for a backup. Also worth noting are that most of the switches on the throttle base are toggle, so you will have to return them to the desired position after using one. I believe there are two momentary switches on the base. It is not a big deal once you are used to it but maybe a deal breaker to someone else. The switches on the throttle grip are mostly momentary
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Thanks for the input. Looks like VKB Gunfighter, while a great stick would not be the way to go as the lead time to get one is undetermined. My stick needs replacing real soon.
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Thanks for the input. Looks like VKB Gunfighter, while a great stick would not be the way to go as the lead time to get one is undetermined. My stick needs replacing real soon.
Hey, I have several extra CH products fightersticks laying around that I keep just for reasons like this
All I'll charge is shipping cost if it will help you out....all I ask is pay it forward some day if you are able to
Let me know
~S~
TC
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Also, have you ever tried taking your CH products fighterstick apart to clean it up and tweak it with tension settings to the springs as well as clamping down on the wire connections/connectors for a firm connection?
Your problem might be easier to fix than you are aware of
Just saying
TC
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^this. Not a lot of crazy stuff going on inside the CH stick. If the pots aren't just dirty it could be the little spade connectors on them are just loose. A little squeeze with needle nose pliers will stop them shifting around as you move the stick. Loose wires can have the save affect as a dirty pot. Springs are a hardware store item. About the only thing that really goes wrong with them is the pots themselves which are near impossible to find. Everything is easy to fix/tweak.
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Drano, brother...we are in what is called the digital/mellinial era of life...everything is easily found on the dark net
That is all I will post about it
Edit: but you nailed it with your post about how easy they are to fix, I was just referring to the finding potentio's
TC
(got them "Subterranean Homesick Blues going on with me right now, haha)
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Drano, brother...we are in what is called the digital/mellinial era of life...everything is easily found on the dark net
That is all I will post about it
Edit: but you nailed it with your post about how easy they are to fix, I was just referring to the finding potentio's
TC
(got them "Subterranean Homesick Blues going on with me right now, haha)
The biggest problem I ever had with any of my CH sticks was with the actual hat switch activator. The plastic shaft would develop flat spots from hitting the button switches in the stick. I have tried filing a groove into the shaft and adding epoxy to try and get the shaft back to its spec size. As well as trying to build a steel shaft for my CH stick. While both options worked I lost a bit of the precision of the CH stick and so finally gave up and moved on to a different stick.
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The biggest problem I ever had with any of my CH sticks was with the actual hat switch activator. The plastic shaft would develop flat spots from hitting the button switches in the stick. I have tried filing a groove into the shaft and adding epoxy to try and get the shaft back to its spec size. As well as trying to build a steel shaft for my CH stick. While both options worked I lost a bit of the precision of the CH stick and so finally gave up and moved on to a different stick.
That's fair enough, all problems are not the same and everyone that uses CH products have had issues through all the "USB port" years especially after they were bought out.....
Sometimes it is an easy fix sometimes not so much....
I was just trying to let him know to not jump the gun to fast...
Also, some people fly with small gentle control movement and others fly hamfisted and wears out the equipment
TC
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Tough call IMO.
I have a couple of the VKB Gunfighters, Virpil T50s, several TM Warthogs and Cougars, Saiteks, and CH setups. I find for AH3 that CH is still hard to beat as for the cost it's the lightest stick, and you do a lot of moving that stick in this game I find. That CH lightness makes for very accurate and precise shooting I've found too.
The VKB Gunfighters can be tuned with spring changes (the lightest springs of the 4 or so that come with them) to be even lighter than the CH Fighterstick, which is why I would choose the VKB GF probably over the CH Fighterstick. Only issue is, a: availability is pretty much impossible for the VKB stick right now, and b: cost, you can buy 3+ Fightersticks for what 1 VKB stick costs. Virpil's T50 is an excellent stick, I use them for DCS, their throttle too, again, availability and cost are the disadvantage over CH or TM. Also, even with the lightest springs the T50 is much stiffer than the CH stick.
Warthogs - I have a love/hate relationship with them. Their gimbal is OK until it craps out...then it really, really sucks. When you phone the French company for support..well, I suggest learning how to swear "en Francais". I really like the WH metal stick, I put one in my 2nd Virpil T50 base, and that makes the optimal "jet stick" IMO - metal TM stick in the excellent Virpil gimbal and base. Good times.
It's up to you OP, but considering for $100 to 125ish you can get a new Ch Fighterstick, and a new TM WH will cost you $500, you need to decide how much having the TM stick - which likely will have gimbal sticktion issues within a few years, all 3 of mine have to one degree or other after a couple/few years - is really worth to you. Again, VKB and Virpil make excellent sticks (and one throttle), but they are out of stock at the moment, and are prepetually out of stock, I was very fortunate to get my first version of the Gunfighter off of ebay (and get a stick for that base unit when they finally came in stock at VKB), along with the GF2RevB which one day just happened to be in stock for a few hours while I was surfing. You used to be able to put in orders for Virpil and it'd take 4 to 6 weeks, now, they just show out of stock with no option to place orders.
IMO - this is what I'd do in your shoes. Get a replacement Fighter/Combat stick for right now, and once Virpil and VKB get their supply situation sorted out, get into one of those. Virpil has desktop bases now available too, which avoids the desktop mount/clamp issue and finding a throttle that'll work on one of those clamps (only the TM WH throttle and their in house new one have plates that fit the mounts right now).
edit - The TM Warthog's most typical sticktion problems CAN be addressed on your own, there are lots of Youtube help videos and websites on how to use better lubrication/etc than what they do at the factory. There are also custom orings you can purchase, PTFE/teflon rings to replace the one that frequently craps out. Just want to point out that sticktion which is the most common TM issue isn't some insurmountable thing, and even though their tech support generally hangs you out to dry on this after 1 year, you can fix it yourself in most cases. For $500 the TM WH is still a reasonable deal, as the Virpil T50 and its throttle will cost you double that after shipping, easily.
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Alskahawk I had the same setup you are using and also upgraded. This is what I went with and the problems that were encountered and corrected.
I went with the TM Warthog great stick the metal feel and fit in your hand is really nice. But you will find that the stick will have what is called the sticktion problem this will annoy you until you, like me, will fix it. The fix works and makes it now a really great stick. It will require you to take it all apart and sand the mold flashing off the plastic parts. There are many Youtube videos to show you how to do this. Then re-grease with Lucas Red N Tacky #2 found at any auto parts store. The stick will now be butter smooth in its movement. After this the only thing you will need to do is once a month you will need to stir the stick to spread the grease around again. Start making circles starting around the outside edge of the movement of the stick and work the circles in toward the center do this in each direction. You will feel the difference.
For the rudder I went with the Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals. Again these also are not without a problem. The center detent on them is way too tight with no way to adjust it. When moving off the center position the pedal will jump as the pin releases. This also will require you to disassemble to fix. Again Youtube and Google is your friend. I did not want to totally give up a center position so I did not remove the pin that causes the issue. I replaced the spring with a lighter one purchased at Lowes. I also cut a taper where the pin locks into the hole. Again Red N Tacky applied.
For the cost of these products I am sorry to tell you they are not perfect out of the box which they should be. But after correcting the problems listed above I would not go back.
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Hey, I have several extra CH products fightersticks laying around that I keep just for reasons like this
All I'll charge is shipping cost if it will help you out....all I ask is pay it forward some day if you are able to
Let me know
~S~
TC
Thanks Tequila, But I have a CH Combat backup.
I have gone in and tore apart these sticks before but I think given the age of this stick I will just replace it. Right now leaning toward just going with another Fighter stick, since I only fly a couple of times a week on average.
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Went for the quickest solution. Ordered a new Fighter stick. Thanks for your input.