Post by: waystin2 on December 16, 2018, 05:30:24 PM
Post by: Volron on December 16, 2018, 06:22:10 PM
Post by: lunaticfringe on December 17, 2018, 10:18:10 AM
Post by: Shuffler on December 17, 2018, 12:13:10 PM
OK pal what do you have against 1 or 2 man squads?
Why have a 1 or 2 man squad?
Post by: Lusche on December 17, 2018, 12:21:33 PM
Why have a 1 or 2 man squad?
My original reason for creating one was to prevent sudden squad invite popups, which you could not (aand probably still can't) disable.
Post by: waystin2 on December 17, 2018, 01:56:45 PM
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Post by: DmonSlyr on December 17, 2018, 02:46:44 PM
Post by: waystin2 on December 17, 2018, 03:02:51 PM
I've wished for this before.:aok There are at least 4 multi person squadrons that are not being recognized for their efforts right now. Reward them I say.
Post by: Mongoose on December 17, 2018, 03:12:27 PM
I understand Lusches reasoning, but there are currently 4 people occupying the squadron rankings unfairly in this current list.
I was going to say that one of those is me. But you are looking at highest ranking squads, and I certainly don't qualify.
Back when my brother was flying with me, the two of us formed "The Oak Tree Air Force". He has had to drop out due to computer problems, and no telling when or if he will be able to come back. When it was the two of us, it was very handy to have a squad channel that I could use to teach him the game.
I think teaching scenarios like this would be a valid reason to keep the 2-person minimum rule.
Post by: Shuffler on December 17, 2018, 03:36:06 PM
My original reason for creating one was to prevent sudden squad invite popups, which you could not (aand probably still can't) disable.
Makes sense.
Then the better wish is for squad of less than a certain number not be ranked in squads.
Evidently scoring is important for some squads.
Post by: bustr on December 17, 2018, 04:16:55 PM
Post by: Shuffler on December 17, 2018, 04:35:32 PM
You could Barry Bonds* them if only one player is in the squad roster. Then HTC sets the auto sort so they show below the multi-member squads. After all the data pool being pulled from is tagged as "squad" which is free to anyone even if it is only themselves as the single member. Is it really possible for a single player to perform better than a collective of players where it comes to what is scored for squads? Can't some data point be pulled from unique to multi-member squads that an individual can never score better, which then acts as the key in sorting out squads made of single individuals?
They could set 4 minimums. If there is only one, then the other three slots are filled with zeros thereby affecting average. Same if only 2 or 3.
This allows just a single to make a squad so he or she is not bothered by squad invites.
Post by: Oldman731 on December 17, 2018, 07:37:31 PM
Makes sense.
Then the better wish is for squad of less than a certain number not be ranked in squads.]
Evidently scoring is important for some squads.
So it seems.
Alternatively, you could just ignore the ranks of the small squads!
- oldman
Post by: Bruv119 on December 18, 2018, 10:17:29 AM
+1
Post by: Shuffler on December 18, 2018, 08:25:23 PM
So it seems.
Alternatively, you could just ignore the ranks of the small squads!
- oldman
Slaps oldman with a dead trout
:D
Post by: atlau on December 18, 2018, 09:35:27 PM
Post by: Shuffler on December 18, 2018, 09:47:56 PM
If a squad of one inherently has a better score than a squad of more, wouldnt changing the min number to 4 just give small squads of 4 that advantage? What if a squad of 10 only has 1 active player? Wont their score essentially be from just 1 person?
Now you got it. If minimum is 4 and only 1 is in it, the other 3 are dummies that score zero and affect the average.
Same as if there are q0 but only one active. That squad will not be ranked very high.
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 19, 2018, 12:21:54 AM
Is it really that big a deal? Not that I or the very few of my squadron that still plays cares, since we turned 30 years old this past year.... We got our top of the scoreboard kicks flushed out long before coming to AH!
That math equation sounds like it might be the best possible way to correct er meant code a fix for the 1 player squad...
Post by: Shuffler on December 19, 2018, 01:07:11 AM
One should never waste a good trout like that, LOL
Is it really that big a deal? Not that I or the very few of my squadron that still plays cares, since we turned 30 years old this past year.... We got our top of the scoreboard kicks flushed out long before coming to AH!
That math equation sounds like it might be the best possible way to correct er meant code a fix for the 1 player squad...
Hehe
Danger Will Robinson.
All the old online cliches.
Yes I think this idea will work.
Post by: popeye on December 19, 2018, 07:21:18 AM
I only made the squad so Snail would quit sending me invites. :P
Post by: Ciaphas on December 19, 2018, 07:25:49 AM
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Post by: caldera on December 19, 2018, 08:08:25 AM
If a squad of 1 is ranking better than a squad of many, score should be the last thing on your mind... .
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Maybe a gang -err, squad getting beat by one guy is a bit of ironic karma. :D
Post by: Shuffler on December 19, 2018, 09:16:13 AM
Disbanded my "squad" but it still shows up in the rankings. Sorry.
I only made the squad so Snail would quit sending me invites. :P
LOL no need to be sorry. It is just something for the.powers that be to adjust... possibly.
Post by: Shuffler on December 19, 2018, 09:17:34 AM
Maybe a gang -err, squad getting beat by one guy is a bit of ironic karma. :D
It is actually easier to score as 1 even if you are a group of 1. It is averages.
Post by: Lusche on December 19, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
It is actually easier to score as 1 even if you are a group of 1. It is averages.
And that's why a squad ranking based on scores makes even less sense than usual.
As much as I always have loved stats, scores and rankings, I totally ignored squad scores for that very reason, both personally and for the purpose of game analysis. :old:
Post by: CptTrips on December 19, 2018, 09:50:29 AM
Post by: waystin2 on December 19, 2018, 12:32:04 PM
It is actually easier to score as 1 even if you are a group of 1. It is averages.This is truth.
Post by: bustr on December 19, 2018, 02:26:55 PM
Post by: lunaticfringe on December 19, 2018, 02:44:31 PM
Post by: Shuffler on December 19, 2018, 02:55:35 PM
Post by: Ciaphas on December 19, 2018, 08:29:01 PM
or....
Have a tiered squad rank system based on squad membership.
* just and example *
Tier 1: 2-4
Tier 2: 5-10
Tier 3: 11-15
Tier 4: 16-max
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Post by: ONTOS on December 24, 2018, 07:45:09 PM
Post by: alskahawk on January 07, 2019, 01:52:41 PM
Post by: waystin2 on January 08, 2019, 10:51:39 AM
Also remove the tower people from the ENY factor.Hijack.
Post by: atlau on January 09, 2019, 10:45:16 AM
Post by: Shuffler on January 09, 2019, 12:37:37 PM
Wait wouldn't larger squads have an advantage? More people to accumulate more damage, kill points, field captures etc.
No it is averaged.
Post by: waystin2 on January 09, 2019, 01:39:24 PM
No it is averaged.I was trying to figure out to saying that without talking to much. It's why I like to look at it as a metric because it is an average of all the guys together. Take the Pigs as an example-we have guys that excel in one area and absolutely suck or do not participate in some areas of operation. I'll use myself and a squaddie as an example: I am a brutally efficient attacker, fairly good fighter pilot, an ok gver, and rarely fly bombers. Slider my squaddie I would argue is one of the better tankers in the game, a good bomber, a so so attacker and an awesome target for the red guys when it comes to fighter ops. Averages...
Post by: bustr on January 09, 2019, 03:19:45 PM
We try not to do it too often since he will bail after dive bombing a CV and march his pilot up to it and scream blood curdling show tune songs and shoot the CV until he empties his mag. At that point, PT's just aren't personal enough for him since the honor of his wiener puppies is in question...... :O
Post by: atlau on January 09, 2019, 06:54:15 PM
Average k/d and hit percentage seems fair as a factor
Post by: caldera on January 10, 2019, 02:51:42 PM
Wait wouldn't larger squads have an advantage? More people to accumulate more damage, kill points, field captures etc.
They have an advantage of 20 wingmen on the same vox channel, coordinating and covering for each other. A one man squad does not have any such advantages.
Post by: Shuffler on January 10, 2019, 03:00:12 PM
So instead of removing small squads they should use totals. For individual scores total kills/damage is part of the score.
Average k/d and hit percentage seems fair as a factor
Not removing small squads. Removing non squads.
Post by: waystin2 on January 10, 2019, 04:41:35 PM
A one man squad does not have any such advantages.A one man squad is an impossibility. :headscratch:
Post by: The Fugitive on January 10, 2019, 05:11:35 PM
A one man squad is an impossibility. :headscratch:
This one (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/sqdscore.php?selectTour=LWTour228&playername=Fender3&action=1) is in "Ranked" second right now.
Post by: caldera on January 10, 2019, 05:37:05 PM
A one man squad is an impossibility. :headscratch:
If you go by the typical squadron sizes in WWII, squads of two aren't possible either. I've seen complaints in years past about two man squads scoring well.
Where is the line drawn of what constitutes a squad? 6 players? 12? 18?
Post by: Ciaphas on January 10, 2019, 06:43:21 PM
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Post by: Oldman731 on January 10, 2019, 08:52:09 PM
Where is the line drawn of what constitutes a squad? 6 players? 12? 18?
Really, why does this trouble people so much?
- oldman
Post by: Ciaphas on January 10, 2019, 09:02:13 PM
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Post by: The Fugitive on January 10, 2019, 09:05:20 PM
Really, why does this trouble people so much?
- oldman
Some people play the game for score and rank. It may not matter much to you, but some players like to see their squad in the top ten or something and its messed up with all these single players squads.
If your going to call it a "squad" rank", I think it should at least only count "squads". A single player ISNT a squad, its an "individual". "Squad" denotes a group, not one.
Just like calling the game "Free to PLAY!" and not allowing players to play with all the other players :noid
Post by: hgtonyvi on January 10, 2019, 09:33:44 PM
Post by: Ciaphas on January 10, 2019, 09:49:59 PM
Just have the results exclude loner squads
or
Just ignore them all together
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Post by: atlau on January 10, 2019, 10:45:42 PM
Post by: waystin2 on January 11, 2019, 07:08:44 AM
This one (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/sqdscore.php?selectTour=LWTour228&playername=Fender3&action=1) is in "Ranked" second right now.Good example. :aok Anything less than two pilots should be excluded. Currently there are 4 single players that are bumping 4 legit squadrons from the top squad rankings. Should not be happening. These players should be recognized only for their individual achievements not as a squad.
Post by: Shuffler on January 11, 2019, 12:11:49 PM
Post by: Ciaphas on January 11, 2019, 01:39:00 PM
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Post by: waystin2 on January 11, 2019, 03:06:51 PM
I play to see how many Margaritas I can down in a flight. uh... yeah okDrinksez are part of the checklist for FSO. :D
Post by: lunaticfringe on January 12, 2019, 09:11:55 AM
:aok There are at least 4 multi person squadrons that are not being recognized for their efforts right now. Reward them I say.
then I say let them do a better job of killing and damage.
Post by: GrandpaChaps on January 18, 2019, 05:43:30 PM
Please remove 1 man "squads" from squad rankings.
I agree :x