Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: DaveBB on February 13, 2019, 03:23:22 PM
This has real potential. I hope it's good.
On a side note, I read Catch 22 in high school just to learn what the phrase meant. I had no idea the book was about WWII bombers. Totally awesome when I realized that.
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Vraciu on February 13, 2019, 09:38:27 PM
The original isn’t that bad. It was just competing with ****MASH
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: pembquist on February 14, 2019, 12:09:11 AM
I remember reading about making the original and there was something about making a few planes look like a lot by having them take off circle back land and take off again. I remember it said that it was a very high density altitude day and it was all kind of risky. I think the results are pretty good:https://youtu.be/nLMDIlxUa58 (https://youtu.be/nLMDIlxUa58)
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: zack1234 on February 14, 2019, 12:19:44 AM
The original was garbage and like all hippy liberal garbage is why we have triggering and safe spaces today.
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Brooke on February 14, 2019, 01:32:59 AM
I started reading Zack's comment, but fainted before I could finish. Upon regaining consciousness, I had to go to my safe-space chat group for emotional support and got some avocado toast and a glass of raw water to console myself.
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: bozon on February 14, 2019, 01:42:48 AM
This book is extremely difficult to turn into a watchable movie. I REALLY hope they pull this off.
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: danny76 on February 14, 2019, 01:53:16 AM
The book was magnificent, a film doing it any justice would need to be at least four hours long.
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Ripsnort on February 14, 2019, 07:59:48 AM
I read that book at least 3 times. It was comforting humor.
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: zack1234 on February 14, 2019, 08:19:15 AM
Same bloke who came up with the plot for the epic Western Broke Back Mountain :old:
Danny as it on VHS and Blu ray limited addition scratch n sniff copy :old:
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Vraciu on February 14, 2019, 07:05:52 PM
The original was garbage and like all hippy liberal garbage is why we have triggering and safe spaces today.
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Brooke on February 14, 2019, 07:17:38 PM
I watched MASH (the movie) for the first time a few months ago.
I was expecting it to be good but thought it was quite bad and that it seemed like an amateur movie. I was surprised.
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: pembquist on February 15, 2019, 10:52:51 AM
Going on memory but I think MASH was a Robert Altman film and in its era would have been influenced by cinema verite and so might seem a little arbitrary and unproduced. All I really remember is that the two surgeons seemed like stuck up entitled jerks, while I think a lot of the movies popularity came from people identifying with them as hip rebels.
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Brooke on February 15, 2019, 03:39:08 PM
Going on memory but I think MASH was a Robert Altman film and in its era would have been influenced by cinema verite and so might seem a little arbitrary and unproduced. All I really remember is that the two surgeons seemed like stuck up entitled jerks, while I think a lot of the movies popularity came from people identifying with them as hip rebels.
Perfect summary, in my view. :aok
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: swareiam on March 07, 2019, 02:31:18 PM
Best scene in the movie...
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Oldman731 on March 07, 2019, 03:29:47 PM
I once read that Paul Mantz considered this one of the most dangerous scenes he ever filmed. The worry was that one of the B-25s might have lost an engine during the takeoff, with unhappy results for the planes nearby.
- oldman
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: DaveBB on March 07, 2019, 05:28:45 PM
I once read that Paul Mantz considered this one of the most dangerous scenes he ever filmed. The worry was that one of the B-25s might have lost an engine during the takeoff, with unhappy results for the planes nearby.
- oldman
I went to read more about this, and noticed Paul Mantz died in 1965 while the movie "Catch 22" was filmed in 1970.
That aside, did bombers really take off like this in WWII?
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Arlo on March 07, 2019, 07:18:43 PM
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Vraciu on March 07, 2019, 08:45:18 PM
MASH the film sucked.
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: zack1234 on March 08, 2019, 12:53:26 AM
Mash,sausage and gravy :old:
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Oldman731 on March 08, 2019, 06:58:21 AM
Valid point! I guess I was thinking of Frank Tallman. See here: http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=575
- oldman
Great read! Thanks for posting that. I really wish the film had shown more B-25 footage. I think I read there is only 10 minutes of aerial footage.
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: SysError on March 14, 2019, 10:40:46 AM
One of my favorite scenes from the original.
Then they'll understand...
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Vraciu on March 14, 2019, 11:13:05 AM
You should see the original attempt at a tv series starring Richard Dreyfuss...
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Guppy35 on March 14, 2019, 10:26:46 PM
I'll take Heller and Catch-22 over MASH. Heller was there, flying the nose of a 25 and while Catch-22 is best described as an exaggeration, there is a lot of truth in it, and those who've dug into the actual 340th BG have been able to connect the movie characters to real members of the unit. They really did keep upping missions on those guys. Concentrated bomb patterns were a huge deal to the people in charge. Interestingly enough Heller was used along with other members of the 340th to make some 'training for combat' films while with the 340th. There is a nice article about that, with links to the film clips of Heller in a 25 and elsewhere here:
There is a book called "The True Story of Catch-22" by Patricia Chapman, that really digs into the story. Her dad was Group CO. She connects the dots really well. and it gives you a different perspective on the book and the movie.
Heller in the nose of a 25 (http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Heller2_zpsryvbat3y.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/Heller2_zpsryvbat3y.jpg.html)
Heller in his A-2 jacket. Note the patch on it that is seen on Yosarrian's jacket in the movie and elsewhere. (http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Heller1_zps52g235pj.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/Heller1_zps52g235pj.jpg.html)
I'm lucky enough to have in my little collection of WW2 flight gear, the flight jacket of another bombardier from the 340th who was in the same squadron as Heller, but a bit later in the war. He flew the same nose of a 25 that Heller had done missions in previously. Needless to say that made me do some serious digging into the 340th BG :)
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Arlo on March 14, 2019, 11:36:08 PM
If we are going to base such on the author .....
"Richard Hooker wrote MASH: A Novel About Three Army Doctors (1968), based on his experiences as a surgeon at the 8055th MASH in South Korea. He published several other novels based on that group. A total of 15 M*A*S*H novels were published between 1968 and 1977, some co-authored by William E. Butterworth."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M*A*S*H
Title: Re: Re-make Catch-22
Post by: Brooke on March 15, 2019, 01:59:16 AM
I'll take Heller and Catch-22 over MASH. Heller was there, flying the nose of a 25 and while Catch-22 is best described as an exaggeration, there is a lot of truth in it, and those who've dug into the actual 340th BG have been able to connect the movie characters to real members of the unit. They really did keep upping missions on those guys. Concentrated bomb patterns were a huge deal to the people in charge. Interestingly enough Heller was used along with other members of the 340th to make some 'training for combat' films while with the 340th. There is a nice article about that, with links to the film clips of Heller in a 25 and elsewhere here:
There is a book called "The True Story of Catch-22" by Patricia Chapman, that really digs into the story. Her dad was Group CO. She connects the dots really well. and it gives you a different perspective on the book and the movie.
Heller in the nose of a 25 (http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Heller2_zpsryvbat3y.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/Heller2_zpsryvbat3y.jpg.html)
Heller in his A-2 jacket. Note the patch on it that is seen on Yosarrian's jacket in the movie and elsewhere. (http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Heller1_zps52g235pj.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/Heller1_zps52g235pj.jpg.html)
I'm lucky enough to have in my little collection of WW2 flight gear, the flight jacket of another bombardier from the 340th who was in the same squadron as Heller, but a bit later in the war. He flew the same nose of a 25 that Heller had done missions in previously. Needless to say that made me do some serious digging into the 340th BG :)
+1
MASH the television series was great. The movie was for stoners. Terribly overrated.