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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: pembquist on April 27, 2019, 02:07:00 PM
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Thinking of getting a new hard drive, is there any problem with using only an SSD, I remember some old posts about not using one for your os, I only want one drive.
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The only issue I know of having an SSD only is in the nature of how they handle updates compared to HDD's. Skuzzy has mentioned it several times in the past. The problem is that AH can/will corrupt at some point; today, next week, next month, next year, no-one can tell. If you've prepared to do a full reinstall when that happens, an SSD is all you need.
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The only issue I know of having an SSD only is in the nature of how they handle updates compared to HDD's. Skuzzy has mentioned it several times in the past. The problem is that AH can/will corrupt at some point; today, next week, next month, next year, no-one can tell. If you've prepared to do a full reinstall when that happens, an SSD is all you need.
That said I have never ever had issues with SSDs myself. And apart from myself I manage my 3 boys PC/laptops (home has 4 gaming PCs, 5 laptops, several Windows servers, all run SSDs plus some HDDs). And they get upgraded changed on a somewhat regular basis. Most of the SSDs are quite old, is the upgrade process here is trickle down - dad gets a new component/PC - kids inherit old bits :devil
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I've had an ssd for about 5 years outside of my case on the carpet for 5 years. haven't had a problem yet. its the only drive I have connected.
semp
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I have been running a 1TB SSD at work for about 2 months. Quick and working great so far.
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I've just added a M2 SSD 240gb, it sits in a special socket on your Motherboard and is 5x times faster than a traditional SSD. This one was £40 larger ones up to 1tb will be more.
I think the best setup to have if you were auditing your HD requirements would be;
1 M2 SSD for anything that needs uber speed read/write.
1 large spinny 1-2tb £50,
1 or 2 standard SSD's £20 double it for two.
So for around £100 - £150 you should be good for another 10 years.
Flip a coin for what one to put your OS on. Mine is on a standard SSD atm.
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M.2 SATA or M.2 NVMe ?
Both are a waste of money and space as they are very small and usually slower than larger sisters.
A good and fast SSD is good as system drive, no one who had a SSD as system drive woudl ever want to get back to slowish HDDs.
Avoid SSD who do not have DRAM Cache or those claimng large transfer speeds but are equipped with very slow QLC Flash.
Good SATA drives are Crucial BX300/MX500, Samsung 860 EVO and the twin sisters WD Blue 3D/Sandisk Ultra 3D. They also have cacheless or QLC versions of these drives.
NVMe drives have no such large choice, Samsung 970 Evo Plus and the Corsair Force MP510 are known good and fast SSD - avoid the QLC drives Intel 660p and Crucial P1
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I was surprised to discover that 512GB SSDs are down to $50 now (ballpark). Be sure to check the failure rate on some of the more affordable drives if you can find those stats.
I'm not ready to give up the capacity available on HDDs (14TB for instance), but when you see 4TB SSDs are down to less than $1,000 it's a good sign of things to come.
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Many manufacturers are switching/upgradig to 96-layer Flash, this offers higher capacity per chip thus bigger SSD for an affordable price.
There are rumors about WD Blue 3D and Samsung 970 Evo Plus 4TB SSDs arriving in the near future
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M.2 SATA or M.2 NVMe ?
Both are a waste of money and space as they are very small and usually slower than larger sisters.
A good and fast SSD is good as system drive, no one who had a SSD as system drive woudl ever want to get back to slowish HDDs.
Avoid SSD who do not have DRAM Cache or those claimng large transfer speeds but are equipped with very slow QLC Flash.
Good SATA drives are Crucial BX300/MX500, Samsung 860 EVO and the twin sisters WD Blue 3D/Sandisk Ultra 3D. They also have cacheless or QLC versions of these drives.
NVMe drives have no such large choice, Samsung 970 Evo Plus and the Corsair Force MP510 are known good and fast SSD - avoid the QLC drives Intel 660p and Crucial P1
m2 nvme, its hardly a waste of money when used in conjunction with other larger drives. £40 is peanuts!
how many games can you fit on 240gb?
if its not a full rebuild just move all games to the new disk and keep your os as is freeing up space.
pembquit is there any reason you say you only want one drive??
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DCS World Beta with four terrains and not even all of the planes is pushing 150GB. I could add one racing game and smash 240GB easy.
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i guess the question is then what games does pembquit want to play?
1tb nvme was 3 times the cost.
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NVMe SSD are a waste of money unless you are working with lots of large videos, images or databases.
As a normal users you are hardly able to take advantage out of the high transfer rates offered by them. Plus if you're reding from or saving to another medium the advantage is zero unless it's another NVMe.
For the price of a 250GB NVMe you typically get double the size of a good SATA SSD.
240GB seems an odd size for a NVMe SSD, at best used by mediocre SSD but not by good Samsung.
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Only one drive for simplicity's sake. The only games I use are MFS, Condor (soaring sim), IL2 (whatever replaced COD TF Mod,) AH3.
Very helpful responses by the way.
My mother board supports SATA III I believe is what it is called. It is a: EVGA P67 SLI
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so one large standard Sata III SSD seems to be your best bet.
what are you going to do with windows re-load it onto the new drive?
Thing with multiple disks is you can have windows on one and have the others do storage. It's really as simple as right clicking start menu and selecting disk management.
I was thinking you leave your existing OS drive alone and just move all your games etc onto the new SSD you buy.
Then it should be a 5 minute job. Not that re-loading windows 10 takes much longer than that. :D
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is it worth moving windows onto the SSD or doesn't it make a difference?
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is it worth moving windows onto the SSD or doesn't it make a difference?
Yes, it is worth it.
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SSDs are the standard these days.
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The only issue I know of having an SSD only is in the nature of how they handle updates compared to HDD's. Skuzzy has mentioned it several times in the past. The problem is that AH can/will corrupt at some point; today, next week, next month, next year, no-one can tell. If you've prepared to do a full reinstall when that happens, an SSD is all you need.
This concern: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,325389.msg4255531.html#msg4255531 turned out to be unfounded. Even my 2011 SSD still runs to this day, despite my abusing it (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,325389.msg4256489.html#msg4256489).
Feel completely free to install your OS on an SSD drive, its completely standard practice for consumers and business for all usage types.
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This concern: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,325389.msg4255531.html#msg4255531 turned out to be unfounded. Even my 2011 SSD still runs to this day, despite my abusing it (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,325389.msg4256489.html#msg4256489).
Feel completely free to install your OS on an SSD drive, its completely standard practice for consumers and business for all usage types.
I've seen what happens when Windows gets corrupted. I hope it never happens again because it's really ugly.
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is it worth moving windows onto the SSD or doesn't it make a difference?
That's the main reason for getting an SSD, it really makes your system start and respond faster. In my opinion they're so fast that using the Sleep mode becomes irrelevant unless there's a large project open in several windows and even then I wouldn't dare leave it that way for longer than a lunch break. But it doesn't add a single digit into your frame rate in games.
This concern: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,325389.msg4255531.html#msg4255531 turned out to be unfounded. Even my 2011 SSD still runs to this day, despite my abusing it (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,325389.msg4256489.html#msg4256489).
As he said, "There will be those that come along stating they run the game from an SSD just fine". Just because you and many others haven't had any issues doesn't mean that the warning was unfounded. There's many who may have suffered from the game being on an SSD without knowing it or understanding the reason. And there's us who do as recommended and in case of issues can rule out at least one culprit.
When someone asks for advise, warning about known potential issues is fair, don't you think?
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That's the main reason for getting an SSD, it really makes your system start and respond faster. In my opinion they're so fast that using the Sleep mode becomes irrelevant unless there's a large project open in several windows and even then I wouldn't dare leave it that way for longer than a lunch break. But it doesn't add a single digit into your frame rate in games.
As he said, "There will be those that come along stating they run the game from an SSD just fine". Just because you and many others haven't had any issues doesn't mean that the warning was unfounded. There's many who may have suffered from the game being on an SSD without knowing it or understanding the reason. And there's us who do as recommended and in case of issues can rule out at least one culprit.
When someone asks for advise, warning about known potential issues is fair, don't you think?
Just for grins, as I was one of those skeptical of having issues loading it from an SSD, when I recently upgraded I put it on the SSD. My system had a tendency to load stuff in a little slowly, I figured it was related to the HD. It appears to be just how an arena loads in in AH on my system, the SSD changed nothing. I'm now in the camp of "not worth putting it on SSD, which makes the possibility of it damaging the SSD a moot point."
YMMV.
Wiley.
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what make/model is your SSD ?
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NVMe SSD are a waste of money unless you are working with lots of large videos, images or databases.
As a normal users you are hardly able to take advantage out of the high transfer rates offered by them. Plus if you're reding from or saving to another medium the advantage is zero unless it's another NVMe.
For the price of a 250GB NVMe you typically get double the size of a good SATA SSD.
Yep, fully agree.
I was logging read/writes for a week on Corsair MP510 960GB, everyday computing plus some gaming (DCS, ACC). Never went above 363 MB/s for reads and 130 MB/s for writes.
Large project in Revit brought it up to 380 MB/s and 188 MB/s. Adobe Premiere went to 302 MB/s before hitting the CPU bottleneck (i7-8700K)
So, unless you have some dual CPU beast of a workstation, you'll hardly ever enjoy full NVMe read/write/latency capability. Sure looks pretty on benchmark though.
That extra $$ is better spent on larger SATA SSD.
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Dumb question here, I have both an SSD and HDD card, can I chose which to download to and if so how do I do that? :cheers: :salute
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Windows Key + E opens Explorer. Right click on your Downloads folder (Downloads Library) and choose "Properties." Click on the Location tab and it will inform you where your library is. Click on "Move" and choose a new location (I suggest creating a Downloads folder on the HDD if that's what you want). Don't forget to periodically clean that folder of all the junk from time-to-time.
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Dumb question here, I have both an SSD and HDD card, can I chose which to download to and if so how do I do that? :cheers: :salute
As Chalenge said, yes. The methodology depends on the browser you're using. The one described may be valid to Edge. In Firefox you can go to Settings and choose "Let me choose the location each time" or any folder in your computer as default. Chrome works similarly.
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Hmm, I was referring to the default location of the Downloads Folder itself, which is a Library under Windows 10. In my opinion leaving all downloads there will allow you to cleanup after yourself more easily. If it works differently under Windows 7 I have long since forgotten.
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Hmm, I was referring to the default location of the Downloads Folder itself, which is a Library under Windows 10. In my opinion leaving all downloads there will allow you to cleanup after yourself more easily. If it works differently under Windows 7 I have long since forgotten.
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That's how I have my folders for downloads/videos/documents and music. I moved the default location from my SSD C: Drive to my HDD.
That's really handy in case Windows 10 has to be installed again for some reason.
Coogan