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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SAAMIAM on February 22, 2020, 12:45:28 AM
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I get shot down more than I shoot down others but the use of touch controllers has nothing to do with my kill/death ratio. So then Mr. Saam I Am, why do you get shot down so often?? Below is my list of top reasons I selfbrand #diesalot
1.) I dont run away from a fight. I dont care if im in a bf110 and you are a spit16 or yak3, I wont make a diving pass at you then run like hell to get away. If I engage you, i stay until one of us is dead.
2.) I dont care about your field ack or cv ack. If you attack me and then run away like a lil... I will chase you and when I catch you, I will kill you or die trying. You are not dragging into your ack, i am chasing you into your ack because you were too much a coward to stay and fight when you tried to vulch or pick me. Running to your ack will not save you from me. 7out of 10 times your ack kills me and thats ok with me because it was those other times when you thought you got away with your lame donut tactics and found yourself getting shot down over your own field that makes it worth while for me.
3.) I'm a hanger queen King.. I love to fly the hanger queens. P39, P40, Hurricane, I16, BF110, HE152 and occasionally a spit8 or LA5. Why the queens? Because shooting down your 190, spit16,yak3,la7 is that much more satisfying. Call me weird but its just too easy to kill you if i use the high end planes.
4.) Experience. As I near my 1 year mark in Aces High I have to remind myself that 90% of you die hards have 10 to 15 years experience in this game so any advantage or trick or angle of attack I might discover and use is nothing more than a been there done that for you old salts. All i can say to that is. I am watching, I am learning from you and soon enough I am beating you.
Not withstanding the reasons above there is one reason above all that is responsible for my higher than average death rate. That reason is "look behind". For years I used it, hell, in IL2 i almost exclusively flew while looking behind me. It makes evading easier, it makes it easier to get on the bad guy six. It lets you see how many bad guys are chasing you. And for all of you arcade flying game haters.. its cheating, its un natural and its literally impossible to do in real life. It is an unrealistic arcade game type feature that we have all accepted and tolerated because it makes the sim easier. The problem is now you are all addicted to it and can't fly without it regardless of how unrealistic it is. When I went full VR and touch controller I decided It was all or nothing and so I disabled all the fake donut look around control options. And yes, they are fake donut viewing options. If its not something you could do with your head and neck in the cockpit of a plane then it is a fake donut view control. Period.
So, when I am flying, I can only see as far as my head/neck/cockpit allows me to see. Some give me great view (I16) and some just suck (F4u) but whatever the view, its natural, realistic and no different than the pilots of wwii had to work with.
It makes me wonder just how good most of you aces would be without that handicap cheat. We will never know because like I said, you have all become addicted and dependent on that unrealistic game feature. I too was addicted until VR set me free..
We shall however soon find out. I am developing a VR Battlesports league called AcesLeagues and the pilots flying in it will be limited to the use of touch controllers and the unrealistic view behind option will be disabled.
Yes, I know i will be getting tons of pushback and banter regarding my feelings about the look behind issue and I'll tell you what.. Show me a single instance where any pilot, in any plane ever can or had the ability to swing his head a complete 180degrees and with xray vision looked through his plane to see exactly behind him and ill forever shut my mouth.
P.S. I love you all and thank the heavens above I get to fly and die with you all daily, never before has there been a better therapy for my ptsd
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Look behind?
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Donut view?
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I've been here almost 20 years and get whacked around like a whiffle ball at summer camp :bhead
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Donut view?
donut is a forum auto replace for that nasty 3 letter word for what most people sit on. :D
...as for the OP, you die often because you insist on using the touch controllers. I have used them and they just can't keep up with the accuracy of a good joystick/throttle/pedal combination.
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You don’t use the mirror to look behind you?
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...as for the OP, you die often because you insist on using the touch controllers. I have used them and they just can't keep up with the accuracy of a good joystick/throttle/pedal combination.
So very true, in spite of what “expert” opinion may say.
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Hi again, Samyam. :joystick:
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looking behind is not a cheat because it is available to everybody.
semp
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Well I ain't had fun since I quit drinking'
Seems someone hasn't stopped
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Cheating would imply it gives an advantage because others are unable to do it. That is not the case. It is also completely possible to do it IRL. Maybe not to the extent we can, and it surely wouldn't be that comfortable, but possible.
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IIRC this guy claims to have some health issue that restricts him to playing in a recliner so I'm guessing he literally couldn't look back in that sort of position with a headset. But that's where AH VR view system shines! You can simply blend the hat view with the.... Oh wait... He's not using the hat switch to look around. He's using them for stuff like throttle. How realistic! And with about a half inch of travel pretty imprecise too!
Bud... We get it. You like the touch controllers. So have at it. Whatever yanks your crank. But enough with the multiple rants over it already.
Where's that triple face palm?
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Oh how brave you are! yet in MPA you wont go head to head with me but only agree to fight me where the drones are so that you can blame my kill on 'AI7' instead. oh by the way I use a mouse too, is that an unrealistic advantage?
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Oh how brave you are! yet in MPA you wont go head to head with me but only agree to fight me where the drones are so that you can blame my kill on 'AI7' instead. oh by the way I use a mouse too, is that an unrealistic advantage?
A mouse is not a touch pad. Several folks use a mouse.... lazer for one.
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This is the rear view mirror from a converted LF MkIX. Nice smiling chap. Also notice that engine vibration is not making the mirror unusable.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RFgpG42Q/RearV.jpg)
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Also notice that engine vibration is not making the mirror unusable.
I wonder how they engineered that. You would expect it to bounce all over the place. I am impressed.
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I wonder how they engineered that. You would expect it to bounce all over the place. I am impressed.
My bet is that it's directly mounted to the air frame, then it doesn't shake any more than anything else already is. hard mount it like a gauge.
Tip 1 – A good foundation
If the base of the mount is not rigid, don’t expect the camera not to shake. Having the mount setup rigid as though it was welded to the air frame is preferable. A common mistake is adding a piece of padding under the mount. This is only going to add play (shake) to the mount. Attaching to something rigid is key. For example, a suction cup mount on a flat plexi window is going to shake regardless what mount you use. Mounting to a strut, air frame tubing, or tie down ring are some examples of rigid attach points.
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Doesn't the engine cause more vibration at idle, at open throttle/high rpm the vibration smooths out.
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donut is a forum auto replace for that nasty 3 letter word for what most people sit on. :D
...as for the OP, you die often because you insist on using the touch controllers. I have used them and they just can't keep up with the accuracy of a good joystick/throttle/pedal combination.
I'll concede to the pedals.. as for the rest, the touch controllers are the way to go if you want full immersion. Dubdubz also uses them exclusively. You have to give it more than 5 min Fugative.. anywho.. agree to disagree.
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Look behind?
Mr. shuffler good Sir.. first and foremost, thank you for some awesome times in the ava!! Super fun.
By "look behind" I am referring to the ability to look directly behind by use of the hat switch or keyboard numbers 0,1,2,3,5. Most people, myself included back in the day will lock on that view or target behind them and keep that view as they maneuver into a better position in the enemy. Some would even say its essential. On a 2d flat screen if you are flying cockpit view it lets you see the enemy directly behind you. In 3rd person view you can see your plane and the plane behind you thus helping you escape and react to his reactions as you evade. Its very effective for reversing the fortunes. I dont fault anybody for using it, some of the vr guys still use it. I just decided not to use it while in VR. Problem is, I cant see the guy directly behind me and if nobody tells me to chk six he will undercut any evasion i make and one shot me dead. It also makes it more difficult when trying to go from hunted to hunter.
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You don’t use the mirror to look behind you?
Mirror?? Wheres the mirror in an I16, BF110, TA152? Ide love to use it
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Hi again, Samyam. :joystick:
Hello Fargo..
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looking behind is not a cheat because it is available to everybody.
semp
You are right brother, I probably used the word cheat out of context there.. my bad fam..
Er Fi
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Cheating would imply it gives an advantage because others are unable to do it. That is not the case. It is also completely possible to do it IRL. Maybe not to the extent we can, and it surely wouldn't be that comfortable, but possible.
Absolutely correct Spikes and again, i apologize for using it out of context, for clarity what I meant by saying it was a cheat was that In a game that more or less a sim with much emphasis on replicating realism with the flight characteristics of the aircraft, gv's ect... the unrealistic ability allowable by the 360 look around is a cheat to a sim and typically something associated with an arcade type game.
Again my bad for the poor choice of words.
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IIRC this guy claims to have some health issue that restricts him to playing in a recliner so I'm guessing he literally couldn't look back in that sort of position with a headset. But that's where AH VR view system shines! You can simply blend the hat view with the.... Oh wait... He's not using the hat switch to look around. He's using them for stuff like throttle. How realistic! And with about a half inch of travel pretty imprecise too!
Bud... We get it. You like the touch controllers. So have at it. Whatever yanks your crank. But enough with the multiple rants over it already.
Where's that triple face palm?
Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk
For clarity., No claim has ever been made by me or my representative stating that a disability has restricted me to use of a lazy boy.. I choose to kick back in my uber comfertable massaging lazy boy becasue a.) its super comfertable and b.) I can kick wayyy back to include my head and almost see all the way behind me. Great on end overs. You are correct, i use my left touch controller hat switch for throttle, also use the same hat switch for rudder control and squad vox. The virtual throttle has a tendency to act funny when i use it.
Hitech deserves mad props for his work setting up the touch controllers for flight control. Its the best in the industry. I'de love to prove and maybe even convert some of you haters. Lets do a follow the leader and if the HOTAS is soo much more responsive as you claim then you should be able to shake me without much effort. Problem is none of the haters ever step up.
Anyway, as long as somebody is trashing the touch controllers i will continue to respond and advocate for them.. fair.
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Looking back in most planes, you can't see straight back. You have to maneuver. Even in my 38.
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Hitech deserves mad props for his work setting up the touch controllers for flight control. Its the best in the industry. I'de love to prove and maybe even convert some of you haters. Lets do a follow the leader and if the HOTAS is soo much more responsive as you claim then you should be able to shake me without much effort. Problem is none of the haters ever step up.
Anyway, as long as somebody is trashing the touch controllers i will continue to respond and advocate for them.. fair.
the vr sticks have plenty of "gross" motor control. and are perfectly adequate for follow the leader. I dont think anyone really disputes that.
what the vr sticks lack is "fine" control and stability.
it is much harder to maintain a nose stable gun solution with the inherent instability. it looks good, but the results just cannot compete with dedicated hardware.
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You can get some stability with touch controllers from resting your hands on something.
Follow the leader can be a good basic flying test. BnZ through the small hanger at max speed with various vertical maneuvers to reverse direction.
A one to one duel is a better fighter controller test as long as both pilots know how to merge.
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You can get some stability with touch controllers from resting your hands on something.
Follow the leader can be a good basic flying test. BnZ through the small hanger at max speed with various vertical maneuvers to reverse direction.
A one to one duel is a better fighter controller test as long as both pilots know how to merge.
sure you can get some stability that way. but it still falls short of a dedicated stick.
not only is the stick more stable in this regard, i can tell how far im pressing by the resistance of the spring.
add into it the resolution of the vr sticks is nowhere near the high end sticks.
you will notice this most when you think you have a full guns solution from straight 6 on the enemy and 200 out, a cant miss shot. and yet you cant kill anything. its just impossible to keep the nose as stable in the absolute correct position for long enough with a vr stick. you get just a little wobble and shotgun effect.
are they good enough to fly with, sure. more so if you actually enjoy them. but they do handicap you a bit.
i love my manual transmission cars, i won't buy a car with an automatic. but objectively a manual trans car is not as good as a modern automatic. still i wont buy an automatic and i hate driving them.
so i get the love for a substandard interface. but your going to have a hard time convincing people (or maybe just me) that its better.
just my opinion.
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Mr. shuffler good Sir.. first and foremost, thank you for some awesome times in the ava!! Super fun.
By "look behind" I am referring to the ability to look directly behind by use of the hat switch or keyboard numbers 0,1,2,3,5. Most people, myself included back in the day will lock on that view or target behind them and keep that view as they maneuver into a better position in the enemy. Some would even say its essential. On a 2d flat screen if you are flying cockpit view it lets you see the enemy directly behind you. In 3rd person view you can see your plane and the plane behind you thus helping you escape and react to his reactions as you evade. Its very effective for reversing the fortunes. I dont fault anybody for using it, some of the vr guys still use it. I just decided not to use it while in VR. Problem is, I cant see the guy directly behind me and if nobody tells me to chk six he will undercut any evasion i make and one shot me dead. It also makes it more difficult when trying to go from hunted to hunter.
Just wondering Shuffler... is this where I was being a dk head and made you attacke me? Just wondering..
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sure you can get some stability that way. but it still falls short of a dedicated stick.
not only is the stick more stable in this regard, i can tell how far im pressing by the resistance of the spring.
add into it the resolution of the vr sticks is nowhere near the high end sticks.
you will notice this most when you think you have a full guns solution from straight 6 on the enemy and 200 out, a cant miss shot. and yet you cant kill anything. its just impossible to keep the nose as stable in the absolute correct position for long enough with a vr stick. you get just a little wobble and shotgun effect.
are they good enough to fly with, sure. more so if you actually enjoy them. but they do handicap you a bit.
i love my manual transmission cars, i won't buy a car with an automatic. but objectively a manual trans car is not as good as a modern automatic. still i wont buy an automatic and i hate driving them.
so i get the love for a substandard interface. but your going to have a hard time convincing people (or maybe just me) that its better.
just my opinion.
Toasted.. thats my point exactly.. the HOTAS IS a high performance precision piece of hardware.. designed for high speed, precision aircraft like an f22. I had and used a HOTAS for years and years.. did any aircraft in wwii have such precise control mechanisms? Nope. I choose realism and lifelike immersion. I dont knock you for using your new technology in a wwii airplane. It gives people the advantage needed to beat an ace like me. If I wasnt flying in VR i would still use my warthog. Its ok though, I'll get to the top using my touch controllers, it will just take a bit longer.
I do appreciate your very detailed and well thought reply. It is very informative and well researched. It shows your passion for understanding every minute detail about this genre we all love so much.
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:bhead
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Toasted.. thats my point exactly.. the HOTAS IS a high performance precision piece of hardware.. designed for high speed, precision aircraft like an f22. I had and used a HOTAS for years and years.. did any aircraft in wwii have such precise control mechanisms? Nope. I choose realism and lifelike immersion. I dont knock you for using your new technology in a wwii airplane. It gives people the advantage needed to beat an ace like me. If I wasnt flying in VR i would still use my warthog. Its ok though, I'll get to the top using my touch controllers, it will just take a bit longer.
I do appreciate your very detailed and well thought reply. It is very informative and well researched. It shows your passion for understanding every minute detail about this genre we all love so much.
They didn't have touch controllers in WWII, so a joystick/throttle is the closest we can get.
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They didn't have touch controllers in WWII, so a joystick/throttle is the closest we can get.
I find pilot wounds unrealistic too. I've taken to stabbing myself in the leg with a fork everytime now to make it more realistic
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I find pilot wounds unrealistic too. I've taken to stabbing myself in the leg with a fork everytime now to make it more realistic
I've been taking to large amounts of Rum and Coke to simulate the blurry vision of a PW.
Am I doing this right?
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I dont recommend spraying your monitor with motor oil when your plane gets hit. Very hard to clean
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Also, they did not have sanitary facilities in fighters, so instead of going to head, you have to piss yourself.
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Toasted.. thats my point exactly.. the HOTAS IS a high performance precision piece of hardware.. designed for high speed, precision aircraft like an f22. I had and used a HOTAS for years and years.. did any aircraft in wwii have such precise control mechanisms? Nope. I choose realism and lifelike immersion. I dont knock you for using your new technology in a wwii airplane. It gives people the advantage needed to beat an ace like me. If I wasnt flying in VR i would still use my warthog. Its ok though, I'll get to the top using my touch controllers, it will just take a bit longer.
I do appreciate your very detailed and well thought reply. It is very informative and well researched. It shows your passion for understanding every minute detail about this genre we all love so much.
Which WW2 fighter joysticks do you have experience with?
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I think if he really wanted a ww2 grip he could look into the VKB KG12 grips.
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(https://i2.wp.com/vkbcontrollers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/DSC00354_1024.jpg?fit=1024%2C768&ssl=1)
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(https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8105&d=1394653221)
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No idea what you are talking about.
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No sex, no drugs, no wine, no women
No fun, no sin, no you, no wonder it's dark
Everyone around me is a total stranger
Everyone avoids me like a cyclone ranger
Everyone
semp
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The Vapors! Classic!
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I don't know your reasons... but mine is self induced idiotism .... I zipped when I should have zapped... that sort of thing.... and big red dars are a natural aphrodisiac for me.... I get suckered in everytime to that sweet sense of maybe this time I will kill them all
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maybe this time I will kill them all
A lot like maybe this time I will win an argument on the internet? No not quite, you have a better chance.
HiTech
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Just a kill can be ok. Just one before I die. :D
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(https://i2.wp.com/vkbcontrollers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/DSC00354_1024.jpg?fit=1024%2C768&ssl=1)
A gladiator joystick... sounds like a quote from an airplane movie.
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A lot like maybe this time I will win an argument on the internet? No not quite, you have a better chance.
HiTech
ROTFLMAO
it is more like rolling thunder..... never that final clap.
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Also, they did not have sanitary facilities in fighters, so instead of going to head, you have to piss yourself.
They did have relief tubes. But since my computer desk does not have a relief tube (and I am NOT going to install one at my desk), I will go to the head.
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They did have relief tubes. But since my computer desk does not have a relief tube (and I am NOT going to install one at my desk), I will go to the head.
several years ago during fso, not going into details, it includes, pee, not able to leave the desk, beer bottle, we lived fighting bogies all over the place, warn spit all over my keyboard and monitor.
semp