General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ramesis on May 07, 2020, 03:42:54 PM
Title: China?
Post by: Ramesis on May 07, 2020, 03:42:54 PM
I really hate to cause conflict in here and I know there are some who wish not to be told who their enemies are BUT does any one have a problem with the Chinese manufacturing so much of the U.S. necessary goods and components? I may be paranoid AND forbid that I raise concerns about this but does any one know the U.S. depends on China for the manufacturing of Meds, the screens used in our fighters, ships and cell phones, etc.? Not just 2 weeks ago they threatened to cut off the Meds! What is next? I am not a war monger BUT I have been around long enough to recognize a war in the making whether sooner or later As the now defunct SAC's motto says "Peace Through Strength"
:salute
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Post by: Copprhed on May 07, 2020, 03:52:11 PM
Very INteresting!
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Post by: Nefarious on May 07, 2020, 04:03:37 PM
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Post by: Busher on May 07, 2020, 06:33:24 PM
45% of all the cars registered in the USA are foreign made.
The ship on global trade sailed too long ago to bring it home now. Just imagine the cost and organization required to repatriate the manufacturing of every single product we purchase.
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Post by: Arlo on May 07, 2020, 06:36:04 PM
See rule #4.
(Edited by meself.) :old:
Title: Re: China?
Post by: guncrasher on May 07, 2020, 07:46:03 PM
sorry is occult the irish way or saying cult?
semp
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 07, 2020, 07:55:40 PM
Name something we depend upon that we cannot make here.
'Cannot' isn't the issue. Currently reliant on another nation because of outsourcing overseas is. It takes time to rebuild production. We are in a pandemic. An embargo to make things harder is not a good move. Nor is war with China. Don't fall prey to blame shifting or purposeful distraction.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on May 07, 2020, 09:28:15 PM
Ah yes, let's benefit the Chinese people, its army, and rich billionaires backed by the CCP with low regulated cheap material and poor working conditions instead of our own American workers and private businesses who are highly regulated and over taxed for quality and high pay standards that cannot compete with theives.
It's pathetic to say we rely on China for anything, especially products like medical equipment that are outsourced/not made in America because its too expensive to compete with. It's time to bring the money and jobs back to America.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Busher on May 07, 2020, 09:32:03 PM
Name something we depend upon that we cannot make here.
No one said cannot. But logically, do you want to hazard a guess how much time and how much investment it would take to build the factories, hire and train the staff, and not the least of it.... find the money to create this American enterprise? And remember, we live in a free society so who's going to order all this repatriation of manufacturing? The Government? If anything sounds socialist, that does. Lastly, do you the sources of real American Dollars are going to make an investment of this magnitude out of some "buy American" patriotism? They were the ones that took it offshore in the first place.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 07, 2020, 09:39:02 PM
This topic serves no edifying purpose.
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Post by: Busher on May 07, 2020, 09:43:55 PM
Other than maybe stopping discussion of "the way things should be" or "I wish things were different".
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Chalenge on May 07, 2020, 09:44:48 PM
Busher, I say that the 'Captain's of Industry' would find the current situation to be filled with opportunity. I think you are all saying 'cannot' even without pronouncing the word.
Personally, I think war would be a very good thing right now. We have plenty of military aged men with no other purpose in life at the moment.
Send it!
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 07, 2020, 09:59:12 PM
Busher, I say that the 'Captain's of Industry' would find the current situation to be filled with opportunity. I think you are all saying 'cannot' even without pronouncing the word.
Personally, I think war would be a very good thing right now. We have plenty of military aged men with no other purpose in life at the moment.
Send it!
Please. Enlist or re-enlist but don't wish global horror and death on countless Innocents because your sensibilities are inflamed. A logical solutionist you are not.
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Post by: guncrasher on May 07, 2020, 10:43:41 PM
Ah yes, let's benefit the Chinese people, its army, and rich billionaires backed by the CCP with low regulated cheap material and poor working conditions instead of our own American workers and private businesses who are highly regulated and over taxed for quality and high pay standards that cannot compete with theives.
It's pathetic to say we rely on China for anything, especially products like medical equipment that are outsourced/not made in America because its too expensive to compete with. It's time to bring the money and jobs back to America.
does CCP stand for cucuru cucu paloma? asking for a friend.
semp
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Chalenge on May 07, 2020, 11:12:10 PM
Please. Enlist or re-enlist but don't wish global horror and death on countless Innocents because your sensibilities are inflamed. A logical solutionist you are not.
Obviously you missed that we have already been slapped across the face by our task-masters, yet were too pathetic to do anything.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 07, 2020, 11:28:28 PM
Obviously you missed that we have already been slapped across the face by our task-masters, yet were too pathetic to do anything.
At what age did you decide to sacrifice those in service to serve your political anger over imagined excuses? If you're still of age and physical ability to serve ... you're spending too much time on this forum and not enough at the recruiter's. Don't be a chickenhawk.
(https://i.imgur.com/tmZWEKp.png)
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Post by: FESS67 on May 08, 2020, 12:10:40 AM
In the early 1930's a political leader blamed a race for all the problems faced by his country.
In 2020 history repeats.
Neither leader was right and nor were / are the followers.
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Post by: 1stpar3 on May 08, 2020, 02:19:28 AM
Please. Enlist or re-enlist but don't wish global horror and death on countless Innocents because your sensibilities are inflamed. A logical solutionist you are not.
I dont believe ANY OF US on these boards wish for ANYTHING CLOSE TO THIS! Can we not come to the understanding that things have to change, if we want to secure the ability to pass this on to the next generation?"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." I understand...Pros and Cons....but why can we not keep these threads from being so Hateful for lack of better term? We ALL want the same outcome, do we not? Even Google Maps gives MULTIPLE travel routes for Driving Maps....does it REALLY MATTER how we get to our destination...as long as we all get there? Argue Time,Traffic, Millage and or Cost all you want to...BUT NO ONE has ABSOLUTE BEST ROUTE, all can be discussed and all have their Unique benefits/detractors! Come on GUYS...we should be better than this :bhead We are either ALL WRONG or ALL CORRECT if arguing with the Maps is all we are capable of :uhoh Love you guys...I am BLESSED to have been in your company, but the way we act here breaks my heart at times!
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Copprhed on May 08, 2020, 06:53:26 AM
I will ask one question to those who believe that we should make everything here, blah blah blah;Are you willing to lower your wages so that said products are affordable? Otherwise no one will buy them.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Ramesis on May 08, 2020, 07:48:43 AM
45% of all the cars registered in the USA are foreign made.
The ship on global trade sailed too long ago to bring it home now. Just imagine the cost and organization required to repatriate the manufacturing of every single product we purchase.
Any one seen China made cars on the road? I was not referring to all manufacturing... just the critical manufacturing :salute
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Post by: DmonSlyr on May 08, 2020, 07:59:31 AM
I will ask one question to those who believe that we should make everything here, blah blah blah;Are you willing to lower your wages so that said products are affordable? Otherwise no one will buy them.
You don't have to lower wages. Lower taxes and regulations and incentivize business to build and manufacture here. The zone economy does not benefit with outsourced labor. That is what you are seeing in high taxed, highly regulated San Francisco with the highest level of homelessness. There is so much inequality as you call it because the middle class jobs were shipped to China while the administration jobs are in California. You need about 30 manufacturing jobs for every administrator. See how that works? Then they tell us how unfair America is while go build up a economy for a regime that treats its people like cattle. The hypocrisy is an outrage. We built standards here for a reason and its crazy that companies can go to another country and skirt those standards to "make cheap products.". Eventually those products aren't going to be so cheap anymore. China is using our own kindness to build them up to take advantage of us and manipulate our governments. They don't deserve our money.
I am not a person who believes we should only trade in America, but we should only trade with countries who aren't trying to lobby against America's interest and change its foundation thru bribes. Americans shouldn't be punished with high taxes and regulations so those business cannot compete with the rest of the world. Its simple common sense.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Shuffler on May 08, 2020, 08:58:53 AM
No one said cannot. But logically, do you want to hazard a guess how much time and how much investment it would take to build the factories, hire and train the staff, and not the least of it.... find the money to create this American enterprise? And remember, we live in a free society so who's going to order all this repatriation of manufacturing? The Government? If anything sounds socialist, that does. Lastly, do you the sources of real American Dollars are going to make an investment of this magnitude out of some "buy American" patriotism? They were the ones that took it offshore in the first place.
It is just a matter if time before this will jump up and really harm the country seriously. This time it is just a blip and cost lives. How many lives are you willing to give up by not starting the process? I mean when it gets real serious.
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Post by: Busher on May 08, 2020, 09:11:35 AM
It is just a matter if time before this will jump up and really harm the country seriously. This time it is just a blip and cost lives. How many lives are you willing to give up by not starting the process? I mean when it gets real serious.
Then I will ask you again.... who is going to order the process to start. There is no inherent philanthropy in a free market economy.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Chalenge on May 08, 2020, 09:26:43 AM
Then I will ask you again.... who is going to order the process to start. There is no inherent philanthropy in a free market economy.
The problem isn't the market, but the tax system. About 15 years ago someone here in the US spent a few million researching the best system to replace what we have, but it would take power away from those in charge so it's not going to happen. The immediate effect of implementing that system would be product prices dropping by 50% (at least) and zero loss in profits. The system still had its critics and there were problems that were not fully addressed, but it would have the effect of drawing businesses back into the US.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on May 08, 2020, 09:57:02 AM
The problem isn't the market, but the tax system. About 15 years ago someone here in the US spent a few million researching the best system to replace what we have, but it would take power away from those in charge so it's not going to happen. The immediate effect of implementing that system would be product prices dropping by 50% (at least) and zero loss in profits. The system still had its critics and there were problems that were not fully addressed, but it would have the effect of drawing businesses back into the US.
The business I work at spends 70K a year on Payroll taxes for 13 employees. Thats 20% higher than the national income average.
I could hire 2 more people or pay our employees 10% more if we didn't have to cover that cost. Then the government goes off and hands it over to a Paris accord for the benefit of the climate......... (thank God not any more). This is just one reason why I am so fed up with these people.
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Post by: Shuffler on May 08, 2020, 10:32:21 AM
Then I will ask you again.... who is going to order the process to start. There is no inherent philanthropy in a free market economy.
Oh it definitely is not one person's call. Folks will have to decide where to buy their products. You either support the communist by buying chinese, or you don't.
It is definitely everyone's choice to make.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: DmonSlyr link=topic=399970.msg5302171#msg5302171 date=1588942771 posted this as if corporations paid tax and the current administration isn't stripping regulation away as fast as possible
Lower taxes and regulations and incentivize business to build and manufacture here.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: morfiend on May 08, 2020, 10:50:30 AM
I thought the US pulled out of the Paris accord,so why is the government handing money over? Or is this just more rhetoric/reddit BS?
Now I just bought a TV,well if was a few weeks ago,it's made in China by a Korean company,so did I pay china for it or did I pay Korea for it? Oh and if it was subject to tariffs,does China pay them or Korea or is it actually me who pays it?
I got lots of questions,who has the answers?
:salute
PS: I'd rather be fishing.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 10:54:41 AM
I thought the US pulled out of the Paris accord,so why is the government handing money over? Or is this just more rhetoric/reddit BS?
Now I just bought a TV,well if was a few weeks ago,it's made in China by a Korean company,so did I pay china for it or did I pay Korea for it? Oh and if it was subject to tariffs,does China pay them or Korea or is it actually me who pays it?
The business I work at spends 70K a year on Payroll taxes for 13 employees. Thats 20% higher than the national income average.
I could hire 2 more people or pay our employees 10% more if we didn't have to cover that cost. Then the government goes off and hands it over to a Paris accord for the benefit of the climate......... (thank God not any more). This is just one reason why I am so fed up with these people.
But I can tell you we are still sending money over seas to hundreds of nations in "AID".
Somehow we are still the bad guys... certainly makes you wonder.
If all you care about is cheap products, why do you and the naysayers insist that America is unfair and immoral rather than China? Our products are not as cheap because we care about the quality of our people in the work force. We have high standards, high regulation cost for those standards, and pay very high taxes to maintain a huge government that's suppose to support Americans only.
Why do they bash America while giving China the benefit of the doubt? If all you care about is low prices, than I suggest you rethink your moral compass and tell your clowns to stop crapping all over America every chance they get.
Ironic that you would post a guy who called out all of the China sell out actors crapping over Americans who made them rich and famous in the first place, at the Oscar's. :aok
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Eagler on May 08, 2020, 11:36:57 AM
There is not any nationalism anymore by our leaders or the people.
Its either about how many $$$ I can make or how many $$$$ can I save
They don't care where it was created only how many $$$ did the cheap labor make for me or how many $$$ did it save me....
Everyone cant live without their toys and they want them as cheap as possible
Sooner than this virus is out of the news any serious thought of increasing manfacturing costs and thus the price of things will be long gone...
<S>
Eagler
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 11:38:51 AM
Title: Re: China?
Post by: TheBug on May 08, 2020, 11:51:00 AM
Lol, bring manufacturing back to the US. Who's gonna do it? Plenty of positions available already. I work in a mold making shop and it is almost impossible to find people willing to work in the skilled trades. That is a problem throughout the entire industry.
P.S. I'd rather be fishing too. But with snow and 30mph winds in the weekend forecast, in May!, I think I'll take a pass this week. :old:
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Post by: DmonSlyr on May 08, 2020, 12:00:49 PM
False logic. We don't want the governments of other nations telling us how to live our lives. Their nations, like China, aren't as powerful as the US for a reason. Their people don't have the earning opportunity like they do in America. Why would we want to be like them? Our country wasn't founded to be like them.
Lol, bring manufacturing back to the US. Who's gonna do it? Plenty of positions available already. I work in a mold making shop and it is almost impossible to find people willing to work in the skilled trades. That is a problem throughout the entire industry.
P.S. I'd rather be fishing too. But with snow and 30mph winds in the weekend forecast, in May!, I think I'll take a pass this week. :old:
Schools don't teach trades anymore. They teach the pythagorean theory and complex calculus, along with fiction novel book reports. Their only objective is to put kids in college. If you can't go to college, too bad. There is no welding in high school, there is no auto shops, there is no (how does business really work), there is no wood working shops, there is no outdoors classes, there is no molding or fabrication classes, there is no machinery classes, they don't make the kids learn cooking every year. Its all just a giant feeder for college so they can put kids in debt and take advantage of them for another 4 years while they aren't earning a living.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Ramesis on May 08, 2020, 01:08:22 PM
Then I will ask you again.... who is going to order the process to start. There is no inherent philanthropy in a free market economy.
Exactly... there is no mandatory philanthropy in a free market economy... with the exception (of course) of all the mandatory taxes levied by the Fed, State, Local, etc. governments... AND I am omitting the constant borrowing and subsequent debt
:salute
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Ramesis on May 08, 2020, 01:12:52 PM
So Arlo, what is wrong with putting OUR country first?
Nationalism is never really about 'putting our country first.' Nationalism has always been about scapegoating/blaming elements within society that politically threaten one's ideology with such scapegoating involving prejudice, greed, corruption and persecution. Any student of history or politics clearly sees this. It's waving a flag to stir up the masses for a false cause while claiming righteousness. WWII was won by globalization, not nationalization.
There was a nationalistic movement prior to WWII that modeled itself after Hitler's Nazi party. I'm sure they all saw themselves as 'patriots.'
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Post by: DmonSlyr on May 08, 2020, 01:52:39 PM
Nationalism is never really about 'putting our country first.' Nationalism has always been about scapegoating/blaming elements within society that politically threaten one's ideology with such scapegoating involving prejudice, greed, corruption and persecution. Any student of history or politics clearly sees this. It's waving a flag to stir up the masses for a false cause while claiming righteousness. WWII was won by globalization, not nationalization.
There was a nationalistic movement prior to WWII that modeled itself after Hitler's Nazi party. I'm sure they all saw themselves as 'patriots.'
False. The entire communist/fascist/Islamic movement is about world domination and control. Its all controlled by the same societies with the same goals. The puppet Hitler funded by the founder of IBM for example was not a nationalist, unless you consider taking over all of Europe and Russia as a national state. If the whole world is one state, wouldn't you consider that a national state? Globalism is designed to destroy individual cultures and hundreds/thousands of years traditions to form into one cultural identity. Conservativism wants their own society to be prosperous thru zone economics and fair trade which is why they ended slavery in the Civil War. It's preposterous to say globalism won WW2 when the Nazis and communist were globalist. America won the war with the help of Allies. If America was not a strong individual nation rich off of private capitalism and individualism, we never would have won and all of Europe would be Nazi. Then Project Paper Clip and MKultra allowed Nazis to infilitrate America and look what has happened since then. A degraded society hooked on drugs with a rank 30 in education. Now that the EU and UN have been infiltrated by these societies, you can see the downfall of many countries in Europe (the real reason britian left the EU). No need for a war now when you can convince the people to psychologically to submit.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 02:10:48 PM
False. The entire communist/fascist/Islamic movement is about world domination and control. Its all controlled by the same societies with the same goals. The puppet Hitler funded by the founder of IBM for example was not a nationalist, unless you consider taking over all of Europe and Russia as a national state. If the whole world is one state, wouldn't you consider that a national state? Globalism is designed to destroy individual cultures and hundreds/thousands of years traditions to form into one cultural identity. Conservativism wants their own society to be prosperous thru zone economics and fair trade which is why they ended slavery in the Civil War. It's preposterous to say globalism won WW2 when the Nazis and communist were globalist. RUSSIA won the war with the help of Allies. If America was not a strong individual nation rich off of private capitalism and individualism, we never would have won and all of Europe would be Nazi. Then Project Paper Clip and MKultra allowed Nazis to infilitrate America and look what has happened since then. A degraded society hooked on drugs with a rank 30 in education. Now that the EU and UN have been infiltrated by these societies, you can see the downfall of many countries in Europe (the real reason britian left the EU). No need for a war now when you can convince the people to psychologically to submit.
Fixed it for you
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Post by: Shuffler on May 08, 2020, 03:09:17 PM
Nationalism is never really about 'putting our country first.' Nationalism has always been about scapegoating/blaming elements within society that politically threaten one's ideology with such scapegoating involving prejudice, greed, corruption and persecution. Any student of history or politics clearly sees this. It's waving a flag to stir up the masses for a false cause while claiming righteousness. WWII was won by globalization, not nationalization.
There was a nationalistic movement prior to WWII that modeled itself after Hitler's Nazi party. I'm sure they all saw themselves as 'patriots.'
While there were Allies and Axis, we all still held to our country of origin (nationality). Americans were Americans, British were British, etc.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Copprhed on May 08, 2020, 03:19:53 PM
You don't have to lower wages. Lower taxes and regulations and incentivize business to build and manufacture here. The zone economy does not benefit with outsourced labor. That is what you are seeing in high taxed, highly regulated San Francisco with the highest level of homelessness. There is so much inequality as you call it because the middle class jobs were shipped to China while the administration jobs are in California. You need about 30 manufacturing jobs for every administrator. See how that works? Then they tell us how unfair America is while go build up a economy for a regime that treats its people like cattle. The hypocrisy is an outrage. We built standards here for a reason and its crazy that companies can go to another country and skirt those standards to "make cheap products.". Eventually those products aren't going to be so cheap anymore. China is using our own kindness to build them up to take advantage of us and manipulate our governments. They don't deserve our money.
I am not a person who believes we should only trade in America, but we should only trade with countries who aren't trying to lobby against America's interest and change its foundation thru bribes. Americans shouldn't be punished with high taxes and regulations so those business cannot compete with the rest of the world. Its simple common sense.
Yeah, lets lower taxes so that no government work gets paid for, and definitely let's lower those pesky safety and health regulations so everyone can get sick. You do it. I prefer to have government paid for and my health and safety insured.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 03:20:19 PM
Threads like this make me appreciate working for a Japanese company.
Are you guys hiring? :aok
Coogan
Title: Re: China?
Post by: perdue3 on May 08, 2020, 03:52:05 PM
It is a very simple concept. Rice can be made here and is made here. To make rice in the US is very expensive, some of the most expensive crops we can raise here. In China, their climate is much better suited for it and their mode of production is cheaper (labor costs). If we only consumed US grown rice it would be scarce and super expensive. We export much of our rice and we profit from it, meanwhile we import Chinese and Asian rice because it is so much cheaper. This is logically sound and financially smart. Are you willing to work in a rice field at minimum wage? We can't have a strict labor immigration policy, high minimum wage, AND consume our own crops. That is not sustainable.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 08, 2020, 04:23:54 PM
You ever think stealing people's countries to fit a foreign body's objective is what really starts wars?
You're confusing colonialism for war but neither have been a solution, only more problems. Starting a war because someone doesn't know how to do anything else does not reflect any degree of intelligence or patriotism.
Advocating starting a war with China because one blames them for this pandemic (then rationalizing additional reasons by blaming them for the act of U.S. corporate greed over the last fifty plus years) ... especially when one refuses to/no longer can put on the combat boots to lead that charge ... is foamed blather. I haven't seen an award for such but there seems to be a bit of competition.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Busher on May 08, 2020, 04:49:45 PM
Oh it definitely is not one person's call. Folks will have to decide where to buy their products. You either support the communist by buying chinese, or you don't.
It is definitely everyone's choice to make.
I can't argue that. I ride a Harley Davidson... not a Suzuki. But by the same token, find a good cell phone, tv, lithium battery (I could go on ad nauseam) made in America. I couldn't care less that China is communist; it's only a different economic system, but I would rather make good jobs at home through my purchases.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 04:54:31 PM
You're confusing colonialism for war but neither have been a solution, only more problems. Starting a war because someone doesn't know how to do anything else does not reflect any degree of intelligence or patriotism.
Advocating starting a war with China because one blames them for this pandemic (then rationalizing additional reasons by blaming them for the act of U.S. corporate greed over the last fifty plus years) ... especially when one refuses to/no longer can put on the combat boots to lead that charge ... is foamed blather. I haven't seen an award for such but there seems to be a bit of competition.
I think you are having trouble understanding the situation. China is infiltrating the US quietly thru lobbies to local government.
We want to put an end to that because it turns out some of these lobbies are problems to national security and privacy. Secondly, it was Chinas responsibility to prevent the virus from effecting the world, they did not. The world should divest from them for being negligent and dangerous. This means that its a good idea for the US to incentivize business to move their industry back to America, which would provide good paying jobs to Amercians, the same Americans who lost those jobs during the "trade war" of China taking advantage of its economy to create cheap labor. Since then we have seen more homelessness, drug abuse, suicide, mental health, ect increase 10x in the last 30 years. Heck, even countries who aren't totalitarian should receive some of those industries as well.
China is the one who is abusing the US after all we have done for them. China is the one who wants war with us for changing trade deals to benefit America more to avoid a 500B trade deficit. China are the ones helping to turn American into their ideology. Its about time we stood up to them. If you don't punch your bullies in the stomach, they will continue to bully you until they control your life. Amercia is far more powerful and we should not bow down to a corrupt regime that wants world domination.
Think about what Nate said in his post. Criticism of China on Instagram gets you banned, but you can crap all over the US and burn flags all day and say America is unfair and that is perfectly acceptable. Whose side are they really on?
Don't you guys realize that China doesn't have 1/10th of the fairness Amercia has, they put more people to death than another country, they put millions in Internment camps, and yet they are cool but America isn't? Why is that?
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 05:05:42 PM
Like Russia? Understanding situations isn't your thing. :D
You are right. Why did we give them 500M worth of US uranium? Why did $200M kickbacks go to a presidential nominees foundation who was also a SoS? Where did that peepee dossier come from?
Next week you are about to be a complete mess after the tables turn on who really is bowing to the Russians to remove a duely elected US president. ;)
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 05:24:44 PM
You are right. Why did we give them 500M worth of US uranium? Why did $200M kickbacks go to a presidential nominees foundation who was also a SoS? Where did that peepee dossier come from?
Next week you are about to be a complete mess after the tables turn on who really is bowing to the Russians to remove a duely elected US president. ;)
Is that a Q promise? Seems you can't make an accusation without doing a political exception dance. You might ought slow down on the conspiracy koolaide. ;)
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Copprhed on May 08, 2020, 05:30:30 PM
You are right. Why did we give them 500M worth of US uranium? Why did $200M kickbacks go to a presidential nominees foundation who was also a SoS? Where did that peepee dossier come from?
Next week you are about to be a complete mess after the tables turn on who really is bowing to the Russians to remove a duely elected US president. ;)
YAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNN...you spout the same old Trumpanzee conspiracy crap AD NAUSEUM. Get a grip on the truth....PLEASE
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 08, 2020, 05:44:49 PM
The declass has already begun today. ;)
Enjoy the show. :D
Title: Re: China?
Post by: SIM on May 08, 2020, 05:45:45 PM
The best thing about this thread will be the point where Hitech shuts it down. So many people in this "discussion" are nothing more than keyboard warriors. They neither care about issues, or about solving problems.
Give fools a chance to speak, and they will ridicule the privilege.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: guncrasher on May 08, 2020, 05:51:32 PM
The best thing about this thread will be the point where Hitech shuts it down. So many people in this "discussion" are nothing more than keyboard warriors. They neither care about issues, or about solving problems.
Give fools a chance to speak, and they will ridicule the privilege.
You get no fun reading the drivel that oozes out of Q-boy? A mind is a terrible thing to waste but you can watch it here in real time. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 08, 2020, 06:21:48 PM
Title: Re: China?
Post by: RUSH1 on May 08, 2020, 06:23:46 PM
I think you are having trouble understanding the situation. China is infiltrating the US quietly thru lobbies to local government.
We want to put an end to that because it turns out some of these lobbies are problems to national security and privacy. Secondly, it was Chinas responsibility to prevent the virus from effecting the world, they did not. The world should divest from them for being negligent and dangerous. This means that its a good idea for the US to incentivize business to move their industry back to America, which would provide good paying jobs to Amercians, the same Americans who lost those jobs during the "trade war" of China taking advantage of its economy to create cheap labor. Since then we have seen more homelessness, drug abuse, suicide, mental health, ect increase 10x in the last 30 years. Heck, even countries who aren't totalitarian should receive some of those industries as well.
China is the one who is abusing the US after all we have done for them. China is the one who wants war with us for changing trade deals to benefit America more to avoid a 500B trade deficit. China are the ones helping to turn American into their ideology. Its about time we stood up to them. If you don't punch your bullies in the stomach, they will continue to bully you until they control your life. Amercia is far more powerful and we should not bow down to a corrupt regime that wants world domination.
Think about what Nate said in his post. Criticism of China on Instagram gets you banned, but you can crap all over the US and burn flags all day and say America is unfair and that is perfectly acceptable. Whose side are they really on?
Don't you guys realize that China doesn't have 1/10th of the fairness Amercia has, they put more people to death than another country, they put millions in Internment camps, and yet they are cool but America isn't? Why is that?
None of our resident socialists seem to want to touch this post.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Copprhed on May 08, 2020, 06:32:25 PM
None of our resident socialists seem to want to touch this post.
I'm not a socialist, and I'm DEFINITELY not a conspiracy nut. Hey wasn't it Violator who said hydroxycloriquine would be the cure-all for Covid-19? That's what happens when you listen to idiots.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Busher on May 08, 2020, 06:51:31 PM
None of our resident socialists seem to want to touch this post.
Wow another Q maybe? I am not a socialist either but I can also see the wrongs done in the name of unregulated capitalism. For that matter, the way the word socialist is used in here - like some kind of dirty word - do people even know that there are many prosperous socialist democracies in the world - like Sweden. People are actually happy there too.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 06:57:22 PM
I'm not a socialist, and I'm DEFINITELY not a conspiracy nut. Hey wasn't it Violator who said hydroxycloriquine would be the cure-all for Covid-19? That's what happens when you listen to idiots.
All I know is no one seems to want to refute the post that I quoted.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: RUSH1 on May 08, 2020, 07:05:10 PM
Wow another Q maybe? I am not a socialist either but I can also see the wrongs done in the name of unregulated capitalism. For that matter, the way the word socialist is used in here - like some kind of dirty word - do people even know that there are many prosperous socialist democracies in the world - like Sweden. People are actually happy there too.
Sweden isn't socialist smart guy. Stop listening to Bernie. Also, there's a good reason that many of their social programs have worked (for now) and would not work here. I won't get into that on a public board in the politically correct climate we live in today, though. Also, you're not a socialist but do not see anything wrong with it, while disliking capitalism? I'm confused.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 07:09:39 PM
Rush leaked in. Wellingtons everyone. (I addressed everything in it worth addressing, you musta missed that.) :D
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 07:10:18 PM
I'm not a socialist, and I'm DEFINITELY not a conspiracy nut. Hey wasn't it Violator who said hydroxycloriquine would be the cure-all for Covid-19? That's what happens when you listen to idiots.
Its saved thousands of lives you nimrod. Real doctors doing test are fed up with the BS. Its just unbelievable the amount of propaganda you believe.
Sweden isn't socialist smart guy. Stop listening to Bernie. Also, there's a good reason that many of their social programs have worked (for now) and would not work here. I won't get into that on a public board in the politically correct climate we live in today, though. Also, you're not a socialist but do not see anything wrong with it, while disliking capitalism? I'm confused.
You are confused. Sweden is a socialist democracy and for the most part, so is Canada. Socialism is an economic system not a subornination of individual rights or freedoms. Believe what you chose but no one economic system including capitalism is perfect. Oh and by the way, show me anywhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights where the word "capitalism" appears.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Busher on May 08, 2020, 07:27:52 PM
It is a very simple concept. Rice can be made here and is made here. To make rice in the US is very expensive, some of the most expensive crops we can raise here. In China, their climate is much better suited for it and their mode of production is cheaper (labor costs). If we only consumed US grown rice it would be scarce and super expensive. We export much of our rice and we profit from it, meanwhile we import Chinese and Asian rice because it is so much cheaper. This is logically sound and financially smart. Are you willing to work in a rice field at minimum wage? We can't have a strict labor immigration policy, high minimum wage, AND consume our own crops. That is not sustainable.
Its cheaper due to child labor, 50 cents an hour, 16 hour days 7 days a week, and this thing called osha does not exist
Title: Re: China?
Post by: RUSH1 on May 08, 2020, 07:58:54 PM
You are confused. Sweden is a socialist democracy and for the most part, so is Canada. Socialism is an economic system not a subornination of individual rights or freedoms. Believe what you chose but no one economic system including capitalism is perfect. Oh and by the way, show me anywhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights where the word "capitalism" appears.
Here ya go Busher. I came across a more detailed read years ago when the Bernie Sanders BS train left the station, but can't find it now. There is more than enough data out there, though. https://fee.org/articles/is-sweden-socialist-no-but/
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Chalenge on May 08, 2020, 08:03:19 PM
Here ya go Busher. I came across a more detailed read years ago when the Bernie Sanders BS train left the station, but can't find it now. There is more than enough data out there, though. https://fee.org/articles/is-sweden-socialist-no-but/
Sorry, an opinion written by a right-wing stock broker does not make it truth for me. About as reliable as Q-boy's sources.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: RUSH1 on May 08, 2020, 08:14:16 PM
Sorry, an opinion written by a right-wing stock broker does not make it truth for me. About as reliable as Q-boy's sources.
What's opinionated about facts and figures? Go find your own source then. Fact is Sweden runs a capitalist, free market system where business' are taxed less and their citizens are taxed way more than in the U.S (oh, the irony). Kind of a buzz kill, isn't it?
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 08:16:48 PM
Wonder who will cry the loudest over this thread's lock over rabid political behavior. :)
Title: Re: China?
Post by: RUSH1 on May 08, 2020, 08:19:13 PM
What's opinionated about facts and figures? Go find your own source then. Fact is Sweden runs a capitalist, free market system where business' are taxed less and their citizens are taxed way more than in the U.S (oh, the irony). Kind of a buzz kill, isn't it?
My Buzz isn't killed yet. Oh and by the way, one stock broker's observations do not create ""facts and figures" for me. I am well aware that taxes are higher in social democracies but the offset is citizens do not pay for healthcare, do not pay for higher education for their children and seniors are not forced to work until they die or worse, die in poverty. I am not saying its a better way to manage a country... I am only pointing out that there are alternatives. It is worthy to note that as of 2019, the USA's national debt per capita was approximately $69000. Sweden's was $21000 per capita.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 08, 2020, 08:45:13 PM
What's opinionated about facts and figures? Go find your own source then. Fact is Sweden runs a capitalist, free market system where business' are taxed less and their citizens are taxed way more than in the U.S (oh, the irony). Kind of a buzz kill, isn't it?
You think breaking the political post rule is about name calling. Heh. How quaint. :D
They bait us every time and act so innocent.
People need to know about China. We don't want war. We want great trade deals and ethical business standards. I dont want their way of life and they don't want mine. We cannot be weak any longer toward their encroachment.
What's opinionated about facts and figures? Go find your own source then. Fact is Sweden runs a capitalist, free market system where business' are taxed less and their citizens are taxed way more than in the U.S (oh, the irony). Kind of a buzz kill, isn't it?
Sweden is a very small country. 10 million people. Is very much easier to manage. How much do you think they give away in "aid"?
Title: Re: China?
Post by: RUSH1 on May 08, 2020, 09:01:25 PM
Sweden is a very small country. 10 million people. Is very much easier to manage. How much do you think they give away in "aid"?
I'm trying to stay away from this aspect of the conversation as it might ruffle some feathers. Let's just say their form of capitalism would never work here as we are carrying around way too much dead wood.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: RUSH1 on May 08, 2020, 09:02:59 PM
My Buzz isn't killed yet. Oh and by the way, one stock broker's observations do not create ""facts and figures" for me. I am well aware that taxes are higher in social democracies but the offset is citizens do not pay for healthcare, do not pay for higher education for their children and seniors are not forced to work until they die or worse, die in poverty. I am not saying its a better way to manage a country... I am only pointing out that there are alternatives. It is worthy to note that as of 2019, the USA's national debt per capita was approximately $69000. Sweden's was $21000 per capita.
Are you going to recognize their tax rate on business vs their citizens?
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 08, 2020, 09:19:52 PM
let's just all agree to stop posting. (Even though its fun :D).
Hopefully Hitech won't ban us all...
Troll batttling is over. Ya hear me!
We will see how it pans out.
:aok
:police:
Title: Re: China?
Post by: perdue3 on May 08, 2020, 09:27:40 PM
Its cheaper due to child labor, 50 cents an hour, 16 hour days 7 days a week, and this thing called osha does not exist
So you understand then. It is cheaper.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: guncrasher on May 08, 2020, 09:50:05 PM
the first thing about paying extra is you always pay extra one way or another. when I moved to NC, everybody was happy because to register your car was only 20 bucks. while in california it would cost about 200. good trade right? guess what, NC has a road tax that everybody has to pay to drive at tax time, it was about 200 bucks.
so in reality we didnt get a lower rate on car registration, in name we did, but we ended up paying the same and sometimes even more.
I could think of at least 5 states that have a lower max tax rate than california where I would actually pay more than I pay in california.
semp
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Copprhed on May 09, 2020, 04:46:43 AM
I love how the right wingers think they getcha when they post their numbers and the imagined deductions from them. Kind of like thinking Flynn is a hero, not a traitorous cad who confessed to betraying the country.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Shuffler on May 09, 2020, 05:55:11 AM
It is a very simple concept. Rice can be made here and is made here. To make rice in the US is very expensive, some of the most expensive crops we can raise here. In China, their climate is much better suited for it and their mode of production is cheaper (labor costs). If we only consumed US grown rice it would be scarce and super expensive. We export much of our rice and we profit from it, meanwhile we import Chinese and Asian rice because it is so much cheaper. This is logically sound and financially smart. Are you willing to work in a rice field at minimum wage? We can't have a strict labor immigration policy, high minimum wage, AND consume our own crops. That is not sustainable.
Uncle Bens ships rice all over the world.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Ramesis on May 09, 2020, 02:54:23 PM
Nationalism is never really about 'putting our country first.' Nationalism has always been about scapegoating/blaming elements within society that politically threaten one's ideology with such scapegoating involving prejudice, greed, corruption and persecution. Any student of history or politics clearly sees this. It's waving a flag to stir up the masses for a false cause while claiming righteousness. WWII was won by globalization, not nationalization.
There was a nationalistic movement prior to WWII that modeled itself after Hitler's Nazi party. I'm sure they all saw themselves as 'patriots.'
I am not advocating nationalism for the sake of conquering... I just want u to realize how far the U.S. has gone from putting itself first and putting other countries above... if the collective u cannot see this then the U.S. is truly doomed and so globalism will take over :salute
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Ramesis on May 09, 2020, 02:59:42 PM
It's not a different economic system, it's a different distribution ideology. China has been successfully practicing capitalism for quite a while.
Good Gawd Arlo... do u even know the definition of communism? It IS an economic system where the government owns and runs the economic system of its country... AND by extension owns and runs its citizens... I think u must be younger than I and fallen prey to teachers and profs of whatever college/university u went to or are going to :salute
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 09, 2020, 03:37:50 PM
Calm down, Ram. :old:
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Nwbie on May 09, 2020, 04:20:35 PM
Yet there are millionaires with individual monies.. sounds like capitalism to me...
Good Gawd Arlo... do u even know the definition of communism? It IS an economic system where the government owns and runs the economic system of its country... AND by extension owns and runs its citizens... I think u must be younger than I and fallen prey to teachers and profs of whatever college/university u went to or are going to :salute
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Busher on May 09, 2020, 04:44:10 PM
It IS an economic system where the government owns and runs the economic system of its country... AND by extension owns and runs its citizens :salute
That's a stretch if I ever saw one.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 09, 2020, 04:51:41 PM
It's all good. Ram, here's hoping you're wrong about war in the making. This would not bode well, especially under current circumstances. Thanks for this wonderful and insightful thread. :aok
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 09, 2020, 05:43:27 PM
China has a class system and a social score ran by phone apps. The CCP could literally cut any person off at any time for any reason necessary. They have more in poverty than the entire population of the US x2. They have almost 0 internet rights. You will only be a millionaire if the ccp allows you to. You are owned by them. You have 0 rights. They own your business and your house. They can take it away any time for any reason. It is not individual free enterprise capitalism like America. They have total control of every level of the economic monetary system. Feudalism is NOT capitalism.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Busher on May 09, 2020, 06:17:07 PM
China has a class system and a social score ran by phone apps. The CCP could literally cut any person off at any time for any reason necessary. They have more in poverty than the entire population of the US x2. They have almost 0 internet rights. You will only be a millionaire if the ccp allows you to. You are owned by them. You have 0 rights. They own your business and your house. They can take it away any time for any reason. It is not individual free enterprise capitalism like America. They have total control of every level of the economic monetary system. Feudalism is NOT capitalism.
Once this pandemic crisis calms down, you might want to visit. It was part of my job but I found the country to be like all the other countries of the world. Their cities are quite cosmopolitan; I saw no more wealth nor poverty than I have seen at home. Of course there is a class system... show me a country in the world where there isn't one. Please don't try to tell me that the laws of this land apply equally. It is obvious though that there always seems to be a hidden suggestion that the Chinese people are some form of sub-human.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Chalenge on May 09, 2020, 07:27:03 PM
"Falun Gong," all I have to say.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: 100Coogn on May 09, 2020, 07:48:30 PM
Odd, Falun Gong translates to Organ Donor on my Huawei :confused:
:rofl I came up with this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong) on the Wiki.
Coogan
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Shuffler on May 09, 2020, 10:49:15 PM
China is communist. There is no vote, there is no choice..
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 09, 2020, 11:27:38 PM
There is a vote. Though no real choice. And there is capitalism. The most profitable limited to a favored few. As it is under many political flavors. But still, that doesn't warrant war.
Be well
Title: Re: China?
Post by: NatCigg on May 10, 2020, 10:50:36 AM
I really hate to cause conflict in here and I know there are some who wish not to be told who their enemies are BUT does any one have a problem with the Chinese manufacturing so much of the U.S. necessary goods and components? I may be paranoid AND forbid that I raise concerns about this but does any one know the U.S. depends on China for the manufacturing of Meds, the screens used in our fighters, ships and cell phones, etc.? Not just 2 weeks ago they threatened to cut off the Meds! What is next? I am not a war monger BUT I have been around long enough to recognize a war in the making whether sooner or later As the now defunct SAC's motto says "Peace Through Strength"
:salute
Reducing costs by way of china and other manufacturing centers has been standard practice for over 30 years. Americans never really put their wallets out to demand "buy America" either. Popular regulations boost the issue to the point American manufacturing is suicide.
will be interesting to see if the current reality has any effect on the future. I really doubt it, it took a lot to battle trade deficit. Pop culture crapped on that. and Pop culture is not putting their foot on the op issue. Even if they did, would not economics win out, like it always does?
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Busher on May 10, 2020, 12:00:17 PM
There is a vote. Though no real choice. And there is capitalism. The most profitable limited to a favored few. As it is under many political flavors. But still, that doesn't warrant war.
Be well
And voting has always guaranteed we got the best of the best too :rolleyes:
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 10, 2020, 01:14:50 PM
I have a sudden craving for Chinese food.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Ramesis on May 10, 2020, 01:50:25 PM
Ok then Busher… Webster's definition of communism... A system of economics where the means of production (manufacturing) is owned by the government and therefore , because production involves people, a communist government therefore owns the people they rule :salute
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Ramesis on May 10, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
Once this pandemic crisis calms down, you might want to visit. It was part of my job but I found the country to be like all the other countries of the world. Their cities are quite cosmopolitan; I saw no more wealth nor poverty than I have seen at home. Of course there is a class system... show me a country in the world where there isn't one. Please don't try to tell me that the laws of this land apply equally. It is obvious though that there always seems to be a hidden suggestion that the Chinese people are some form of sub-human.
Are u sure u did not see what they wanted u to see? I have a friend that has a whole different view than urs and had lived in China for approx. 10 yrs... he is so glad to be back in the U.S
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Ramesis on May 10, 2020, 02:06:48 PM
Are u sure u did not see what they wanted u to see? I have a friend that has a whole different view than urs and had lived in China for approx. 10 yrs... he is so glad to be back in the U.S
And we would let foreign visitors see everything? And I didn't say I would like to live there; I just said it was little different than being a visitor in any other world city.
I
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Chalenge on May 10, 2020, 04:37:59 PM
Odd, Falun Gong translates to Organ Donor on my Huawei :confused:
The Secret Police routinely take F.G. practitioners into custody, torture them for information, and then harvest their organs. Otherwise the group is nothing more than a Yoga group. Why the C.C.P. has them listed as dissidents is anyone's guess. None of them are any more dangerous than the Smothers Brothers.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: TheBug on May 10, 2020, 05:38:35 PM
Ok then Busher… Webster's definition of communism... A system of economics where the means of production (manufacturing) is owned by the government and therefore , because production involves people, a communist government therefore owns the people they rule :salute
This is not true, what you describe is not communism.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Busher on May 10, 2020, 07:18:48 PM
Ok then Busher… Webster's definition of communism... A system of economics where the means of production (manufacturing) is owned by the government and therefore , because production involves people, a communist government therefore owns the people they rule :salute
It's you personal conclusion after the "therefore" that I take exception with. Your definition also comes into question. The formal definition that I found stated: "a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs." The assumption that people are both "owned" and "ruled" is why I suggested that your statement is a stretch. But as I have said before, I am neither and communist nor a socialist, but I can also see shortcomings in unregulated capitalism.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 09:15:02 AM
It's you personal conclusion after the "therefore" that I take exception with. Your definition also comes into question. The formal definition that I found stated: "a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs." The assumption that people are both "owned" and "ruled" is why I suggested that your statement is a stretch. But as I have said before, I am neither and communist nor a socialist, but I can also see shortcomings in unregulated capitalism.
How is that an assumption if your entire life is controlled and monitored by a phone app? Not sure where you got your definition, but it sure sounds like who ever wrote it thought favorably of Marxism. You can't have communism/Fascism/marxism without totalitarian control. They always put the dissenters to death which is what happened in Russia, China, Cuba, Italy, Venezuela, and Germany. Once they take your guns, its game over. When leaders starts taking away guns (cough Australia, Canada) you know the government has been corrupted because they can get away with totalitarian laws and not be in fear of a public uprising.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Shuffler on May 11, 2020, 09:21:27 AM
You can't have communism/Fascism/marxism without totalitarian control.
You might be confused. Not sure how you snuck fascism in there, but communism seeks the dissolution of state. In theory at least. In practice, due to what i believe is the greed of humans, it doesn't work the way it was intended.
The focus should be less on the economic system of a country and more on their human rights violations. They do not necessarily go hand and hand.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 10:49:54 AM
You might be confused. Not sure how you snuck fascism in there, but communism seeks the dissolution of state. In theory at least. In practice, due to what i believe is the greed of humans, it doesn't work the way it was intended.
The focus should be less on the economic system of a country and more on their human rights violations. They do not necessarily go hand and hand.
When the leader of your nation/state declares that some business are essential while others are not. That is fascism. That is using totalitarian control to allow some businesses over others. When they arrest a barber for working and not a clerk for working at a 711. That is using totalitarian force to uphold the "law". That is one step to fascism, and one that mussolini used. Communism doesn't work in reality because A. People are individual in nature, and therefore not the same, B. Value cannot equal 0. Ei, a house cannot be built for someone else at 0 value. You'd say that is slavery. The true value goes to the slave master, who is the government. You cannot leave communist states because they depend on your value, even though the individual is valueless. Ie, the individual never becomes wealthy because his wealth is labor that the state owns. Fascism always leads to communism because eventually the only businesses and owners that are left overthrow their puppets in government and become the government body themselves. That is why you almost always see the worst human rights violations in totalitarian states with strict government laws.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: TheBug on May 11, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
You're confused and seemingly, albeit I understand it can be difficult to express yourself through a forum, uneducated.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 11:24:25 AM
Self-miseducated. But that's his apparent irate comfort zone. Can't be fixed. That's OK. There will always be a percentage. I just see his posts as something like a dog barking at the ceiling fan. :D
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Copprhed on May 11, 2020, 11:33:12 AM
Self-miseducated. But that's his apparent irate comfort zone. Can't be fixed. That's OK. There will always be a percentage. I just see his posts as something like a dog barking at the ceiling fan. :D
:banana: :rofl
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 11:46:47 AM
Self-miseducated. But that's his apparent irate comfort zone. Can't be fixed. That's OK. There will always be a percentage. I just see his posts as something like a dog barking at the ceiling fan. :D
You're confused and seemingly, albeit I understand it can be difficult to express yourself through a forum, uneducated.
History has proven you both wrong. And your insults prove i am right.
It certainly is a good thing your backwards deception ideology is failing in America.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: TheBug on May 11, 2020, 12:45:53 PM
I'm sorry I don't understand what you are even trying to say. You are somehow garbling fascism and communism together incorrectly, misunderstanding their definitions, all in a masked effort to support some belief that the current pandemic reaction is fascist in nature. How am I wrong in pointing this out and how are you proven right?
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Copprhed on May 11, 2020, 12:56:10 PM
I'm sorry I don't understand what you are even trying to say. You are somehow garbling fascism and communism together incorrectly, misunderstanding their definitions, all in a masked effort to support some belief that the current pandemic reaction is fascist in nature. How am I wrong in pointing this out and how are you proven right?
Trumpanzees always conflate Fascism/Nazi-ism with Communism. I've had the circular argument with many of them, to the point I just scupcake at them and walk away. To quote the great philosopher Ron White, "You just can't fix stupid!"
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 01:07:13 PM
Trumpanzees always conflate Fascism/Nazi-ism with Communism. I've had the circular argument with many of them, to the point I just scupcake at them and walk away. To quote the great philosopher Ron White, "You just can't fix stupid!"
LOL. Nazism had the word Socialist in the title. Their idea of government was forced government action. Socialism is a building block to fascism. Socialism helps to put the small businesses out of business first because they cannot compete. Then, only the large conglomerates can remain open and gain the market share.
I'm seriously just not sure how you people are so confused that you'd willing put yourselves into slavery.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: TheBug on May 11, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
No wonder propaganda is so effective on you. You base the belief on one word in their name without understanding who they were what they stood for and what socialism and fascism mean. They are on opposite ends of a spectrum. With communism being the far left end and fascism the far right. Please educate yourself and you may find people will respect your opinion more. That is the best advice I can offer you, good luck. :salute
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 01:18:49 PM
What's that, boy? Jummy's in trouble? Fallen down the well? Oh, sorry, mine shaft collapse? 5G towers? Spacebats? Down boy. :D
(https://i.imgur.com/446mre1.png)
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Firetech on May 11, 2020, 01:24:03 PM
I get so confused on who we are supposed to be blaming everything on. It changes every week/day. So this one is China. That's who we are being told to blame, right?
I thought they were doing fantastic work all through January and February.
Today is Monday, judging by the twitter storm yesterday, today should be the tan suit wearing guy that left office over 3 years ago.
That still leaves the media for Tuesday, democratic governers for Wednesday, Joe Biden for Thursday, inspector generals for Friday and the WHO on Saturday, China next Sunday, maybe.. I dunno. Could go with the media again and China on Monday to change it up. Rinse and repeat. Throw out a few insults here and there to make 'em laugh.
7 days in a week. 7 blames while stating no responsibility. You kids just follow the fad you're told to without even thinking about it.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Firetech on May 11, 2020, 01:26:31 PM
No wonder propaganda is so effective on you. You base the belief on one word in their name without understanding who they were what they stood for and what socialism and fascism mean. They are on opposite ends of a spectrum. With communism being the far left end and fascism the far right. Please educate yourself and you may find people will respect your opinion more. That is the best advice I can offer you, good luck. :salute
The whole "far left and "far right" bullcrap is a fallacy, made up by Nazis to reverse psychology the United States into turning to the actual Nazi/soviet ideology.
Did Nazis believe in religion? No Did soviets believe in religion? No Did Nazis, Soviets, and fascist, both inact more laws on their people based on ideology and Manuscripts pushed by the government. Yes. Did Nazis and soviets and fascist murder people who did not bend to their new government laws? Yes Did they only allow the businesses they wanted to remain in business. Yes. Did they all want European domination and one culture for Europe? Yes Did they all take away guns. Yes Did they all limit speach. Yes Add China in there also did the same thing. Add Cuba in there who also did the same thing. Add Venezuela in there who also did the same thing.
Sounds an awful like what yall want to do to America doesn't it....Deceivers.
All 3 forms of government mandated government laws over the people based on a Manuscript that suppressed their earnings and made them live how the government wanted them to live.
Notice how Iran and China put more to death than any other country. You claimed Human Rights Abuses. They are the most totalitarian government ran countries in the world.
Now, what is right wing? Right wing is the American constitution limiting the powers of the government over the individuals. Notice the difference? Right wing people want a government that protects against gangs hurting people and and allows trade to be ethical while allowing the individual to become prosperous without a backing by the government. This keeps the government from becoming totalitarian because the individual has the means to protect itself from a tyrannical government.
No one in any of the former categories above could protect themselves from tyranny.
That is the difference between left and right.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 01:48:03 PM
And he's off. On after-burner, even. In a different thread he'll blame everyone else when this one is locked. :cool:
Title: Re: China?
Post by: TheBug on May 11, 2020, 02:05:38 PM
The whole "far left and "far right" bullcrap is a fallacy, made up by Nazis to reverse psychology the United States into turning to the actual Nazi/soviet ideology.
Ok to start the recovery process, let's just work with this first statement.
Please explain to me how the Nazis made this up. With facts not just your own words saying they did.
As a bonus question which country incarcerates more people per 100k of population?
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 02:38:20 PM
Ok to start the recovery process, let's just work with this first statement.
Please explain to me how the Nazis made this up. With facts not just your own words saying they did.
As a bonus question which country incarcerates more people per 100k of population?
Did you not see the comparisons I made? Why did you ignore that?
That proves Nazism is in no way close to being right wing. You just want it to be right wing so that you can create a civil war and have 2 sides communist vs conservatives (calling us Nazis) who fight for individual freedom. Something the left and Nazis hate.
My point is that the constitution is directly opposite of the Nazi, fascist, soviet, manuscript. Conservativism follows the constitution. The left wants to change and manipulate the constitution.
Would you rather us incarcerate criminals or execute them? Which way is more humane? China also lies about their incarceration rates. 1.3 billion people total..
Why do you defend liars?
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Firetech on May 11, 2020, 02:49:23 PM
Did you not see the comparisons I made? Why did you ignore that?
That proves Nazism is in no way close to being right wing. You just want it to be right wing so that you can create a civil war and have 2 sides communist vs conservatives (calling us Nazis) who fight for individual freedom. Something the left and Nazis hate.
My point is that the constitution is directly opposite of the Nazi, fascist, soviet, manuscript. Conservativism follows the constitution. The left wants to change and manipulate the constitution.
Would you rather us incarcerate criminals or execute them? Which way is more humane? China also lies about their incarceration rates. 1.3 billion people total..
Why do you defend liars?
The vortex is full force now. Passing by in a few posts.. stories about hand signals, drawings and the stars. If we're lucky we get to read about time travel!
Anyone else think this is a version of a online multiplayer game?
Title: Re: China?
Post by: save on May 11, 2020, 03:03:15 PM
With automation, most low-qualified job will be gone, countries that relies on cheap labour will be in lot's of trouble.
I have spoken with many companies that are already in the process of moving back jobs to the western world due to delivery times, politics and will produce parts in the western world again.
To deny some countries technology, and prevent them to buy high-tech companies will make it very hard for them to compete outside their close vincinity, this is a process already happening. To allow students that have families in those countries that force them to spy, should be easy to deny entry to high tech companies- high tech education.
What western world need to realize it is very cost efficient to spy/break into companies computer centers and steal technology, and much harder security need to be enforced than today (think no internet access).
Title: Re: China?
Post by: TheBug on May 11, 2020, 03:11:33 PM
Did you not see the comparisons I made? Why did you ignore that?
That proves Nazism is in no way close to being right wing. You just want it to be right wing so that you can create a civil war and have 2 sides communist vs conservatives (calling us Nazis) who fight for individual freedom. Something the left and Nazis hate.
My point is that the constitution is directly opposite of the Nazi, fascist, soviet, manuscript. Conservativism follows the constitution. The left wants to change and manipulate the constitution.
Would you rather us incarcerate criminals or execute them? Which way is more humane? China also lies about their incarceration rates. 1.3 billion people total..
Why do you defend liars?
I'm not defending you I am trying to help you.
I don't want to get into unraveling your complete confusion regarding fascism and communism. Let's just delve into fantasy and say I believe you. So to enlighten a new believer show me with facts how the Nazis made up the far right and left "bullcrap" and used it to attempt convince the US to change to this hybrid fascism/communism ideology.
You didn't answer the bonus question either.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 03:43:20 PM
I don't want to get into unraveling your complete confusion regarding fascism and communism. Let's just delve into fantasy and say I believe you. So to enlighten a new believer show me with facts how the Nazis made up the far right and left "bullcrap" and used it to attempt convince the US to change to this hybrid fascism/communism ideology.
You didn't answer the bonus question either.
Ill make this very simple.
Did Neo Nazi George HW Bush, who created the C_A, along with his Sons, along with McCain and Romney, who everyone called Neo Nazis, side with the left or support president Trump?
I did answer your question. Quote: Would you rather us incarcerate criminals or execute them? Notice how the left supports the 2 countries with the highest executions (China Iran). Which way is more humane? China also lies about their incarceration rates. 1.3 billion people total.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 03:48:56 PM
Extremist has extremist viewpoint. :old:
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 03:51:12 PM
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Copprhed on May 11, 2020, 04:06:24 PM
I cannot, in good conscience, nor in the meagerest of attempts to remain in the CoC reply any more to the inane and totally, out of the ballpark wrong assumptions fed by every nutso right wing conspiracy website in existence of Violator. Wow.......just wow.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 04:14:12 PM
Did Neo Nazi George HW Bush, who created the C_A, along with his Sons, along with McCain and Romney, who everyone called Neo Nazis, side with the left or support president Trump?
I did answer your question. Quote: Would you rather us incarcerate criminals or execute them? Notice how the left supports the 2 countries with the highest executions (China Iran). Which way is more humane? China also lies about their incarceration rates. 1.3 billion people total.
There it is - You had to know he would invoke the scripture according to a real estate broker. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 04:46:45 PM
Like calling good constitutional Amercians Nazis and making them the enemy in their own country?
Extremists imagine the worst in anyone not showing appreciation for their brand of extremism, no evidence required. That's what makes extremism easier than reason, for some. :aok
Here's a question, however: Why would anyone other than a nazi carry the nazi swastika flag while pretending to be a 'constitutional American?'
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 05:03:47 PM
Extremists imagine the worst in anyone not showing appreciation for their brand of extremism, no evidence required. That's what makes extremism easier than reason, for some. :aok
Why would anyone be reasonable toward terrorist insurgents who want to infiltrate and rebrand America to their own extremist views that are no where near the constitution as written?
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
Here's a question, however: Why would anyone other than a nazi carry the nazi swastika flag while pretending to be a 'constitutional American?'
Falling pray to media manipultion and infiltration techniques used by George Soros i see.
Just like the Jesse Smollet case.
Now why would the left have to do that?
Almost, if not every single occurrence, of vandalism with swastikas or anti Semitic symbols was by some leftest trying to frame the right. They get caught every single time.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 05:08:49 PM
Why would anyone be reasonable toward terrorist insurgents who want to infiltrate and rebrand America to their own extremist views that are no where near the constitution as written?
You mean these guys?
(https://i.imgur.com/QpMhfMD.png)
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 05:10:48 PM
Falling pray to media manipultion and infiltration techniques used by George Soros i see.
Just like the Jesse Smollet case.
Now why would the left have to do that?
Almost, if not every single occurrence, of vandalism with swastikas or anti Semitic symbols was by some leftest trying to frame the right. They get caught every single time.
Did Neo Nazi George HW Bush, who created the C_A, along with his Sons, along with McCain and Romney, who everyone called Neo Nazis, side with the left or support president Trump?
I did answer your question. Quote: Would you rather us incarcerate criminals or execute them? Notice how the left supports the 2 countries with the highest executions (China Iran). Which way is more humane? China also lies about their incarceration rates. 1.3 billion people total.
Ahh, what? The Nazis you were referring to are American politicians? So George Bush made up the terms far left and right?
So your answer to the bonus question is China?
Consumerism and ignorant, disrespectful people are the downfall of America not communism or theocracy.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 05:31:07 PM
The same flag Bill Clinton and Gore used to gain votes in the south during his election. Confederates where leftest no different than californians leftest who used slaves (China workers) for cheap labor cost and demanded states rights in order to usurp Federal Law, just like California and other states with Sanctuary cities and mail in ballots to avoid voter ID laws so they can cheat.
Globalism is 1984. Go watch the Event 201 corona virus event and see how they want to take away free speech calling it "conspiracy theory". When Twitter and FB have to burn accounts (books) to avoid their corruption from being exposed. Thats how you know you are supporting the wrong people.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 05:33:53 PM
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Busher on May 11, 2020, 05:42:34 PM
I wonder if this forum is used to put forth some points that would be considered strange (or worse) in a more public setting. Involuntary psychiatric hospitalization involves an appropriate interaction between the medical and legal systems. Although the exact policies governing involuntary hospitalization vary among states, certain health care providers can be certified to hospitalize a patient against his or her will if specific conditions are met. These conditions almost always involve dangerousness to self or others. This authority is taken very seriously by psychiatrists and other certified health care providers.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: TheBug on May 11, 2020, 05:49:17 PM
Hardly "strange" when almost 50% of the people, including some of our prominent leaders believe the same thing.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 05:52:35 PM
Ahh, so only you are allowed to make those comments, not me. I see. I called for the closing of the thread 3 pages ago and called for everyone to agree to stop posting. But yall kept on going so....
Title: Re: China?
Post by: TheBug on May 11, 2020, 06:02:48 PM
One of my favorite memes lately was this: Be the Americans Hong Kong thinks you are.
You didn't answer my questions again.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 06:03:27 PM
I find it strange how many whistle blowers like Philip Haney can be assassinated in cold blood and the left doesn't even care or bat an eye. Imagine if that was Vindman or Ciaramella. The left is a disease and I'll be happy to watch their downfall.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 06:08:30 PM
Ahh, so only you are allowed to make those comments, not me. I see. I called for the closing of the thread 3 pages ago and called for everyone to agree to stop posting. But yall kept on going so....
So you couldn't resist going full-bore conspiracy? Well, its a pattern. :aok
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 06:17:17 PM
So is Q. Qmap.pub. see for yourself. Are you ready ;)
I bet yall are as happy as I am about full transparency and declass of what unelected officials were doing.
You know there is another much more popular fiction story (loosely based on real life) line that millions of guys wish were true. You should start watching/reading up on it. Folks even legitimately created a new language from that piece of fiction. I wonder if Q morons will be able to top that? Star Trek is maybe 95-99% more believable then the made up nonsense your being fed every day.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 08:12:38 PM
Seriously just put it to rest. I believe people get the point...
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Firetech on May 11, 2020, 08:35:57 PM
Seriously just put it to rest. I believe people get the point...
You first little one. People do get it. You don’t.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: TheBug on May 11, 2020, 09:36:22 PM
He was "revved" and then he controlled himself. Hopefully through wisdom and not medication. If so I call it a great exercise, well done DmonSlyr. :cheers:
Title: Re: China?
Post by: guncrasher on May 11, 2020, 09:37:15 PM
Seriously just put it to rest. I believe people get the point...
dude when you put out there conspiracies that are way out there, like 5g causes corona virus... and you keep setting dates, like oh wait this is gonna happened in just a few days and nothing happens.
semp
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2020, 10:48:21 PM
dude when you put out there conspiracies that are way out there, like 5g causes corona virus... and you keep setting dates, like oh wait this is gonna happened in just a few days and nothing happens.
semp
Never said that.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: guncrasher on May 12, 2020, 12:10:22 AM
Title: Re: China?
Post by: morfiend on May 12, 2020, 09:54:59 AM
I have some fine china,well my wife does,does that make me bad?
Inquiring minds what to know.
I also have a bat house in the yard,does that make me susceptible?
Like I said I have plenty of question but few answers.
:salute
Title: Re: China?
Post by: turt21 on May 12, 2020, 09:57:21 AM
I like Egg Foo Young..
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Firetech on May 12, 2020, 10:01:07 AM
Nah. Think we’re done with China for a day or two at least. It’ll circle back around though. Could get swapped out with something else though if the sheeple respond strongly enough to a different blame game target. Probably a sharpie marker list somewhere of people/places/things to blame.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: asterix on May 12, 2020, 10:04:19 AM
Are QAnon lunatics to democrats like kpop stans are to their respective kpop groups?
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 12, 2020, 10:49:48 AM
Now ask yourselves. Are you proud of defending spys putting our national security at risk?
Title: Re: China?
Post by: morfiend on May 12, 2020, 10:55:59 AM
Maybe the fine china question wasnt the right question!
Ok,I use my left hand for many things,throw left,shoot left,my left is my power hand,about the only thing I dont do with my left is write. Does that make me a leftist?
If so how gauche!
:salute
Title: Re: China?
Post by: Busher on May 12, 2020, 10:57:25 AM
Now ask yourselves. Are you proud of defending spys putting our national security at risk?
Who was defending chinese spys? No one, we were questioning the validity of all the ridiculous information you spout with no facts. You suck up propaganda and spew it out your virtual mouth without any attempt to educate yourself. You sound completely uneducated, immature and disrespectful. When we question you you just spout out we love the Chinese and want to turn this country into a communist nation. You and people like you are the problem with this country. There will always be disagreements but when people can't sit down and rationally work through them is when the real trouble begins. A house divided is a far greater threat than the Chinese. Our leaders of all political affiliations need to realize United We Stand is the best and only solution to whatever challenges we have. It is the invasion of the constant for us to win you need to lose mindset that has become the greatest threat. China is merely a deflection and you soaked it up as intended.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 12, 2020, 11:29:04 AM
Who was defending chinese spys? No one, we were questioning the validity of all the ridiculous information you spout with no facts. You suck up propaganda and spew it out your virtual mouth without any attempt to educate yourself. You sound completely uneducated, immature and disrespectful. When we question you you just spout out we love the Chinese and want to turn this country into a communist nation. You and people like you are the problem with this country. There will always be disagreements but when people can't sit down and rationally work through them is when the real trouble begins. A house divided is a far greater threat than the Chinese. Our leaders of all political affiliations need to realize United We Stand is the best and only solution to whatever challenges we have. It is the invasion of the constant for us to win you need to lose mindset that has become the greatest threat. China is merely a deflection and you soaked it up as intended.
Who was defending chinese spys? No one, we were questioning the validity of all the ridiculous information you spout with no facts. You suck up propaganda and spew it out your virtual mouth without any attempt to educate yourself. You sound completely uneducated, immature and disrespectful. When we question you you just spout out we love the Chinese and want to turn this country into a communist nation. You and people like you are the problem with this country. There will always be disagreements but when people can't sit down and rationally work through them is when the real trouble begins. A house divided is a far greater threat than the Chinese. Our leaders of all political affiliations need to realize United We Stand is the best and only solution to whatever challenges we have. It is the invasion of the constant for us to win you need to lose mindset that has become the greatest threat. China is merely a deflection and you soaked it up as intended.
Well said Bug,who'd of thunk! :devil
:salute
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 12, 2020, 12:57:31 PM
This is what closes a thread, politically. (Usually.) And it's a bold admission that you have no rational grounds in your posts (whether you realize it or not). :aok
Title: Re: China?
Post by: asterix on May 12, 2020, 01:11:52 PM
This is what closes a thread, politically. (Usually.) And it's a bold admission that you have no rational grounds in your posts (whether you realize it or not). :aok
Self-miseducated. But that's his apparent irate comfort zone. Can't be fixed. That's OK. There will always be a percentage. I just see his posts as something like a dog barking at the ceiling fan. :D
But its okay to write this....
Title: Re: China?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 12, 2020, 01:19:45 PM
Place bets on what? Google search gave result for "panic in DC" at 2019 Pride parade. Something similar happening this year is going to be likely especially from one of the QAnon follower extremists.
Title: Re: China?
Post by: hitech on May 12, 2020, 01:54:06 PM
Exactly what part of no politics do you guys not understand? Right now I feel like giving a time out to everyone in this thread.