China?

[Chalenge]

Odd, Falun Gong translates to Organ Donor on my Huawei 

The Secret Police routinely take F.G. practitioners into custody, torture them for information, and then harvest their organs. Otherwise the group is nothing more than a Yoga group. Why the C.C.P. has them listed as dissidents is anyone's guess. None of them are any more dangerous than the Smothers Brothers.

[TheBug]

Ok then Busher… Webster's definition of communism... A system of economics where the means of production (manufacturing) is owned by the government
and therefore , because production involves people, a communist government therefore owns the people they rule
 

This is not true, what you describe is not communism. 

[Busher]

Ok then Busher… Webster's definition of communism... A system of economics where the means of production (manufacturing) is owned by the government
and therefore , because production involves people, a communist government therefore owns the people they rule
 

It's you personal conclusion after the "therefore" that I take exception with. Your definition also comes into question.
The formal definition that I found stated:
"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."
The assumption that people are both "owned" and "ruled" is why I suggested that your statement is a stretch.
But as I have said before, I am neither and communist nor a socialist, but I can also see shortcomings in unregulated capitalism.

[DmonSlyr]

It's you personal conclusion after the "therefore" that I take exception with. Your definition also comes into question.
The formal definition that I found stated:
"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."
The assumption that people are both "owned" and "ruled" is why I suggested that your statement is a stretch.
But as I have said before, I am neither and communist nor a socialist, but I can also see shortcomings in unregulated capitalism.

How is that an assumption if your entire life is controlled and monitored by a phone app? Not sure where you got your definition, but it sure sounds like who ever wrote it thought favorably of Marxism. You can't have communism/Fascism/marxism without totalitarian control. They always put the dissenters to death which is what happened in Russia, China, Cuba, Italy, Venezuela, and Germany. Once they take your guns, its game over. When leaders starts taking away guns (cough Australia, Canada) you know the government has been corrupted because they can get away with totalitarian laws and not be in fear of a public uprising.

[Shuffler]

And voting has always guaranteed we got the best of the best too

Voting has always guaranteed we have a choice.

[TheBug]

You can't have communism/Fascism/marxism without totalitarian control.

You might be confused.  Not sure how you snuck fascism in there, but communism seeks the dissolution of state.  In theory at least.  In practice, due to what i believe is the greed of humans, it doesn't work the way it was intended. 

The focus should be less on the economic system of a country and more on their human rights violations.  They do not necessarily go hand and hand.

[DmonSlyr]

You might be confused.  Not sure how you snuck fascism in there, but communism seeks the dissolution of state.  In theory at least.  In practice, due to what i believe is the greed of humans, it doesn't work the way it was intended. 

The focus should be less on the economic system of a country and more on their human rights violations.  They do not necessarily go hand and hand.

When the leader of your nation/state declares that some business are essential while others are not. That is fascism. That is using totalitarian control to allow some businesses over others. When they arrest a barber for working and not a clerk for working at a 711. That is using totalitarian force to uphold the "law". That is one step to fascism, and one that mussolini used. Communism doesn't work in reality because A. People are individual in nature, and therefore not the same, B. Value cannot equal 0. Ei, a house cannot be built for someone else at 0 value. You'd say that is slavery. The true value goes to the slave master, who is the government.  You cannot leave communist states because they depend on your value, even though the individual is valueless. Ie, the individual never becomes wealthy because his wealth is labor that the state owns. Fascism always leads to communism because eventually the only businesses and owners that are left overthrow their puppets in government and become the government body themselves. That is why you almost always see the worst human rights violations in totalitarian states with strict government laws.

[TheBug]

You're confused and seemingly, albeit I understand it can be difficult to express yourself through a forum, uneducated.

[Arlo]

Self-miseducated. But that's his apparent irate comfort zone. Can't be fixed. That's OK. There will always be a percentage. I just see his posts as something like a dog barking at the ceiling fan. 

[Copprhed]

Self-miseducated. But that's his apparent irate comfort zone. Can't be fixed. That's OK. There will always be a percentage. I just see his posts as something like a dog barking at the ceiling fan. 

[DmonSlyr]

Self-miseducated. But that's his apparent irate comfort zone. Can't be fixed. That's OK. There will always be a percentage. I just see his posts as something like a dog barking at the ceiling fan. 

You're confused and seemingly, albeit I understand it can be difficult to express yourself through a forum, uneducated.

History has proven you both wrong. And your insults prove i am right.

It certainly is a good thing your backwards deception  ideology is failing in America.

[TheBug]

I'm sorry I don't understand what you are even trying to say.  You are somehow garbling fascism and communism together incorrectly, misunderstanding their definitions, all in a masked effort to support some belief that the current pandemic reaction is fascist in nature.   How am I wrong in pointing this out and how are you proven right?

[Copprhed]

I'm sorry I don't understand what you are even trying to say.  You are somehow garbling fascism and communism together incorrectly, misunderstanding their definitions, all in a masked effort to support some belief that the current pandemic reaction is fascist in nature.   How am I wrong in pointing this out and how are you proven right?

Trumpanzees always conflate Fascism/Nazi-ism with Communism. I've had the circular argument with many of them, to the point I just scupcake at them and walk away. To quote the great philosopher Ron White, "You just can't fix stupid!"

[DmonSlyr]

Trumpanzees always conflate Fascism/Nazi-ism with Communism. I've had the circular argument with many of them, to the point I just scupcake at them and walk away. To quote the great philosopher Ron White, "You just can't fix stupid!"

LOL. Nazism had the word Socialist in the title. Their idea of government was forced government action. Socialism is a building block to fascism. Socialism helps to put the small businesses out of business first because they cannot compete. Then, only the large conglomerates can remain open and gain the market share.

I'm seriously just not sure how you people are so confused that you'd willing put yourselves into slavery.

[TheBug]

No wonder propaganda is so effective on you.  You base the belief on one word in their name without understanding who they were what they stood for and what socialism and fascism mean.  They are on opposite ends of a spectrum.  With communism being the far left end and fascism the far right.  Please educate yourself and you may find people will respect your opinion more.  That is the best advice I can offer you, good luck.