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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Arlo on December 21, 2020, 02:38:29 PM
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Now that HT, hisownself, has picked a side and jumped into the fray I'll just silently watch the AHBB degrade into a back-slapping/high-fiving pro-Trump playground and likely seldom venture here.
Dale, I always thought not allowing political topics to be discussed here was actually healthy for the community. I now suspect that wisdom came from Skuzzy. Here's hoping the reaping I suspect comes with the current sowing is merely my anxiety flaring up.
:salute
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Now that HT, hisownself, has picked a side and jumped into the fray I'll just silently watch the AHBB degrade into a back-slapping/high-fiving pro-Trump playground and likely seldom venture here.
Dale, I always thought not allowing political topics to be discussed here was actually healthy for the community. I now suspect that wisdom came from Skuzzy. Here's hoping the reaping I suspect comes with the current sowing is merely my anxiety flaring up.
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I have always been the boss and made the rules. We did not always have the political rule for the and rule #4 in the oclub. It was pretty much anything goes. We had to implement them because some people could not separate there behavior in the oclub from the other forums.
And I have always picked a side, I just try not to let my views effect how I moderate the board. Since opening the rules I am amazed at the completely over the top uncivility of some posters.
HiTech
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Well, Hitech is at least partially human. He is going to have a point of view. It's a 50/50 chance on which side of the fence he would have fallen.
He has a right to be wrong just like anyone else.
Like 3-sided war, and night-time in the Melee. :D
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Well, Hitech is at least partially human. He is going to have a point of view. It's a 50/50 chance on which side of the fence he would have fallen.
He has a right to be wrong just like anyone else.
Like 3-sided war, and night-time in the Melee. :D
Please show me where I have posted anything wrong?
HiTech
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Now that HT, hisownself, has picked a side and jumped into the fray I'll just silently watch the AHBB degrade into a back-slapping/high-fiving pro-Trump playground and likely seldom venture here.
Dale, I always thought not allowing political topics to be discussed here was actually healthy for the community. I now suspect that wisdom came from Skuzzy. Here's hoping the reaping I suspect comes with the current sowing is merely my anxiety flaring up.
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Also why have you been joining the food fight?
HiTech
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Please show me where I have posted anything wrong?
HiTech
"Wrong" can imply a value judgement, not just factual accuracy.
Do you deny that you fall on the Trump side of the fence?
I'm not saying that is immoral...necessarily. I have friends who vote Trump because they just always vote Republican...whatever. I don't think they ever think about it too deeply. They are Republican and that is their team and they always want their team to win. I'm not saying that is intentionally evil. It's like Germans voting for Hitler in '33 because he promised make the trains run on time. Who doesn't want trains to run on time? They just tragically failed to realize (until too late) all the other evil that would come along with that deal. Their judgment was "wrong" in the broader sense, even though they were factually accurate in that he did make the trains run on time. They just didn't realize he intended filling them with Jews.
Those fist-pumping and cheering on Trump to declare martial and overthrow the election, those propagating the "Jews stabbed us in the back..i.e. election was stolen" lie are traitors to everything this country was founded on. I feel no need to be civil to dangerous traitors trying to overthrow my country.
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"Wrong" can imply a value judgement, not just factual accuracy.
Do you deny that you fall on the Trump side of the fence?
I'm not saying that is immoral...necessarily. I have friends who vote Trump because they just always vote Republican...whatever. I don't think they ever think about it too deeply. They are Republican and that is their team and they always want their team to win. I'm not saying that is intentionally evil. It's like Germans voting for Hitler in '33 because he promised make the trains run on time. Who doesn't want trains to run on time? They just tragically failed to realize (until too late) all the other evil that would come along with that deal. Their judgment was "wrong" in the broader sense, even though they were factually accurate in that he did make the trains run on time. They just didn't realize he intended filling them with Jews.
Those fist-pumping and cheering on Trump to declare martial and overthrow the election, those propagating the "Jews stabbed us in the back..i.e. election was stolen" lie are traitors to everything this country was founded on. I feel no need to be civil to dangerous traitors trying to overthrow my country.
You are factually incorrect. There are crazy people on both sides that represent neither side.
There is a desire to have a fair election where only votes from American citizens are counted. That isn't overthrowing an election, it's just verifying it. Different opinions regarding who is stealing the election are fine. Why wouldn't both sides want to settle the question with an investigation?
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"Wrong" can imply a value judgement, not just factual accuracy.
Do you deny that you fall on the Trump side of the fence?
I'm not saying that is immoral...necessarily. I have friends who vote Trump because they just always vote Republican...whatever. I don't think they ever think about it too deeply. They are Republican and that is their team and they always want their team to win. I'm not saying that is intentionally evil. It's like Germans voting for Hitler in '33 because he promised make the trains run on time. Who doesn't want trains to run on time? They just tragically failed to realize (until too late) all the other evil that would come along with that deal. Their judgment was "wrong" in the broader sense, even though they were factually accurate in that he did make the trains run on time. They just didn't realize he intended filling them with Jews.
Those fist-pumping and cheering on Trump to declare martial and overthrow the election, those propagating the "Jews stabbed us in the back..i.e. election was stolen" lie are traitors to everything this country was founded on. I feel no need to be civil to dangerous traitors trying to overthrow my country.
Your very quick to prove Godwin's law. And hence end any possible discussion.
HiTech
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Why wouldn't both sides want to settle the question with an investigation?
The only purpose for an "investigation" at this point if for Trump to use it as an excuse to overthrow the election and retain power until the "investigation" is complete. News flash, the "investigation" will take at least 10 years (because they really, really want to be sure) and in fact will probably need to take a couple of more decades as he hands emergency powers off to each of his kids by decree.
The place to prove your case is in a courtroom under the rigorous rules of evidence in a court of law. Not on Sean Hannity, not in the Epoch Times, not on internet forums.
You had 60 court appearances to make your case. Fail x 59. (One was a minor technicality issue that was non-material.) No believable evidence was produced of wide spread systemic fraud.
The states have had recounts and verifications.
The states have certified their results. Including states with Republican Govenors and Secretaries of State
The Electoral College has voted.
This election is over. Any attempt to derail results past this point is plain treason.
Have what ever congressional investigations you want over the coming years. You will get the same results. If you had any reasonable proof, any one of those Trump appointed judges would have take interest. There are always minor acts of fraud by stupid people in every election we've ever had. Usually local cases. Find those and prosecute them.
But the courts of this country have found that you have produced nothing that justifies delaying or altering the results of this election.
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Your very quick to prove Godwin's law. And hence end any possible discussion.
That's not an actual law, just one person's opinion.
Perhaps you are just uncomfortable with the implications.
I have never in my life seen a more eerily analog to the rise of Nazi Germany than I have seen in this country over the last 5 years.
Trying to hide behind the fig-leaf of some little nugget of internet wisdom does not alter that.
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I remember b4 the rule as in the 2000 election there was a crazy back and forth about gore and bush
It got wild but was fun and never got as nasty personally as the discussion of this election in the various threads about the posters/AH members as it was directed at the subject..the politicians
But that was 20 years ago...
Thanks HT for relaxing the rule, I appreciate it.
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Eagler
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The irony of Arlo starting this thread is delicious.
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I remember b4 the rule as in the 2000 election there was a crazy back and forth about gore and bush
It got wild but was fun and never got as nasty personally as the discussion of this election in the various threads about the posters/AH members as it was directed at the subject..the politicians
But that was 20 years ago...
Thanks HT for relaxing the rule, I appreciate it.
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Eagler
I was there then, and in 2004 and argued for Bush both times.
The difference is, they may not have liked it or thought it was fair, but Gore did accept the verdict of the Supreme Court and conceded and called for National unity.
Neither suggested using the US military to overthrow the results and rule by decree.
See the difference?
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You are factually incorrect. There are crazy people on both sides that represent neither side.
There is a desire to have a fair election where only votes from American citizens are counted. That isn't overthrowing an election, it's just verifying it. Different opinions regarding who is stealing the election are fine. Why wouldn't both sides want to settle the question with an investigation?
+1 :aok
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The irony of Arlo starting this thread is delicious.
Indeed!
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You are factually incorrect. There are crazy people on both sides that represent neither side.
There is a desire to have a fair election where only votes from American citizens are counted. That isn't overthrowing an election, it's just verifying it. Different opinions regarding who is stealing the election are fine. Why wouldn't both sides want to settle the question with an investigation?
This. Exactly this.
And, as far as I've seen there's only one poster throwing around Nazi this/Nazi that. So, yeah...there are crazy people on that side for sure.
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This. Exactly this.
And, as far as I've seen there's only one poster throwing around Nazi this/Nazi that. So, yeah...there are crazy people on that side for sure.
Would you support Trump declaring marshal law, stopping the peaceful transfer of power on Jan 20, and forcing states he lost to re-vote?
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The difference is, they may not have liked it or thought it was fair, but Gore did accept the verdict of the Supreme Court and conceded and called for National unity.
The Supreme Court decision came down December 12, 2000. Gore conceded the next day. AFTER the SC had taken the case and RULED against Gore.
I am pretty sure Trump probably feels he hasn't as yet had his day in court.
At present, Trump has filed another case before the Supreme Court. You'll recall Hillary advised Biden to "not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out". Looks like instead Trump took her advice, advice from your side of the fence.
Neither suggested using the US military to overthrow the results and rule by decree.
If you can show any verifiable instance of Trump suggesting the use of the US military to overthrow the results and rule by decree, please do. Not Flynn or anyone else....Trump.
If you cannot, perhaps you will See the difference?
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Would you support Trump declaring marshal law, stopping the peaceful transfer of power on Jan 20, and forcing states he lost to re-vote?
Of course not. Additionally, I have not seen any Trump supporter on this board saying they would. This appears to be one of your TDS fever dreams.
Now, I CAN imagine Antifa rioting/looting/burning if Trump had been declared the winner. THAT is the difference between the two sides of the fence.
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The Supreme Court decision came down December 12, 2000. Gore conceded the next day. AFTER the SC had taken the case and RULED against Gore.
I am pretty sure Trump probably feels he hasn't as yet had his day in court.
First I stated the Gore "accepted" the SC verdict and conceded. I already stated the SC verdict came first, hence the past tense of "accept". :rolleyes:
Second, Trump has had 60 court cases and a pleading before the Supreme Court.
What is the criteria to judge when he has felt he has had his day in court? Do we just delay the transfer of power until he says it's OK? Does it get to be his choice? At what point do you think Trump will voluntarily release power if you give him that option?
Do you think one more court case is going to change his behavior? What if he loses that second SC case, and decides he needs a third? A tenth?
Any cases he wants to file between in court between now and Jan 20, I say have fun. But nothing short of a court order from the SC or a Federal judge should interfere with the transfer of power on Jan 20. any attempt of his is treason.
No evidence will be good enough for you that he is contemplating marshal law short of seeing the tanks rolling down main-street. And then you, Eagler, RotBaron, and the other Trump apologists will say, "well....he had to do it because...well Hillary and stuff. Antifa...Kamala, blah blah blah..."
I've given the Trumpers every opportunity to come out and say, "Oh, well he pulls that and I'm done with him and I'll man the barricades myself."
You're the first one who has even pretended to be against it and frankly, I suspect you will change your opinion later. I wish I could believe you. I've lost all trust in many of my fellow citizens over the last 5 years. I truly do not believe the vast majority of Trump supporters would ever draw any line, any line at all on Trump's behavior. They would merely adjust the excuses.
We'll find out over the next month. I hope to God we can get to the other side of this without seeing violence.
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You had 60 court appearances to make your case. Fail x 59. (One was a minor technicality issue that was non-material.) No believable evidence was produced of wide spread systemic fraud.
The states have had recounts and verifications.
The states have certified their results. Including states with Republican Govenors and Secretaries of State
The Electoral College has voted.
This election is over. Any attempt to derail results past this point is plain treason.
It would show real imagination that all these judges, committees and courts are the Dems stealing the vote because they won 99% of the cases. Do you really think they are THAT organized and together. LOL!
That said, if there truly are voting issues that these mostly Republican courts and entities say are legit, yes by all means bring the evidence forward. In most cases it was deemed they did not have credible evidence.
I'm not a Dem BTW. Seems if you identify issues with one's own party you get labeled deep state or something (never trumper, RHINO etc.). Just labels. What we all are are Americans that love our country. ...and probably Bacon. See there are two things we all can agree on! :rock
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You have TTDS pretty bad man. Hope you don't blow a blood vessel.
Any cases he wants to file between in court between now and Jan 20, I saw have fun. But nothing short of a court order from the SC or a Federal judge should interfere with the transfer of power on Jan 20.
That's exactly what I expect will happen. Trump will probably continue to try to get his day in court right up to the inauguration. Then, he'll just vacate the WH and go on about his life.
No evidence will be good enough for you that he is contemplating marshal law short of seeing the tanks rolling down main-street.
As yet, I have not seen in any place AND YOU HAVE NOT PROVIDED any evidence that Trump is contemplating marshal law. Just another fever dream on your part IMO. Let's see your proof...or, to quote you....go pound sand.
I've given the Trumpers every opportunity to come out and say, "Oh, well he pulls that and I'm done with him and I'll man the barricades myself."
First, I don't think anyone owes you any response, especially considering the way you throw the Nazi slander around. I'm too polite to make the response this deserves. So, I'll just say I did my hitch in the USAF, I did swear to defend the US Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. I still feel bound by that oath.
No evidence will be good enough for you that he is contemplating marshal law short of seeing the tanks rolling down main-street. And then you, Eagler, RotBaron, and the other Trump apologists will say, "well....he had to do it because...well Hillary and stuff. Antifa...Kamala, blah blah blah..."
Jeez. Get over yourself. This is just more TTDS fever dream. You have no idea what I, Eagler or RotBaron will say. Anyone that supports Trump is an apologist for him?
You're the first one who has even pretended to be against it and frankly, I suspect you will change your opinion later. I wish I could believe you.
Now you are projecting. I really don't give a big dog turd whether you believe me or not. Suspect anything you like.
I hope to God we can get to the other side of this without seeing violence.
If there's violence after Biden's inauguration, it will likely be the loonies on your side of the fence, your fellow travelers. Antifa, BLM et al rioting/looting/burning in joyful celebration of Kamala's Presidency. My dad always said "tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you what you are". Your fellow travelers are rioters/looters/arsonists.
Here's a challenge for you. Clearly, you hate Trump. You call him "evil". OK, it's been 3+ years. Name the top 5 "evil" things you think he's done. Let's see the reasons for your hate. Lay out your case. Tell us why we should be so happy that Kamala will inherit the White House.
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First, I don't think anyone owes you any response, especially considering the way you throw the Nazi slander around.
You mean like the Marxist, Socialist, Communist Clowns kinda thing?
It's a little late for you Trumpers to start clutching pearls.
Spare me.
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Too stumped to come up with the top 5 evil things Trump has done as President?
Show us the reasoning behind your hate.
And yeah, NAZI is way more offensive than Marxist/Clown/Communist. For starters, Marxists/Clowns/Communists didn't start a World War that killed ~60 million people.
Although Marxists/Communists have probably ruined more livelihoods than that.
Clowns? Well, I doubt they killed very many at all.
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Here is Flynn's petition on why we need to invoke martial law:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fn6epl0izsp2jrl/WeThePeople_Final.jpg?dl=0
These top Dems and Repubs never say anything directly. They use "buffers" (mob\Godfather reference). Cohen gave several examples how Trump did this. Dems do it too.
If these guys know nothing else, they usually know at least how to give orders without giving orders.
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Now that HT, hisownself, has picked a side and jumped into the fray I'll just silently watch the AHBB degrade into a back-slapping/high-fiving pro-Trump playground and likely seldom venture here.
Dale, I always thought not allowing political topics to be discussed here was actually healthy for the community. I now suspect that wisdom came from Skuzzy. Here's hoping the reaping I suspect comes with the current sowing is merely my anxiety flaring up.
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Look at the saint here. You're one of the biggest participants in this shi*t show.
Coogan
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Too stumped to come up with the top 5 evil things Trump has done as President?
You think this in match Game '77? lol
There doesn't need to be 5. One will do. Any attempt, or even a thought of an attempt, to overthrow the peaceful transfer of power after a certified election should be enough to earn you a traitor's fate.
All the rest will be handled with the sealed indictments are are sitting waiting to be served the second he walks off the White House lawn. That will go on for year. It will be great TV to watch.
So the rules are Trumpers can call everyone Socialists, Marxists, and Communists and that's perfectly polite, but by God don't infer any Trumper is a Nazi. LoL. That would be awesome, if there were any intention of letting Trumpers set the rules. :rofl
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I was there then, and in 2004 and argued for Bush both times.
The difference is, they may not have liked it or thought it was fair, but Gore did accept the verdict of the Supreme Court and conceded and called for National unity.
Neither suggested using the US military to overthrow the results and rule by decree.
See the difference?
Extremely different political climate at the time. The nation was mostly unified and trying to heal after planes flew into the WTC and Pentagon.
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Extremely different political climate at the time. The nation was mostly unified and trying to heal after planes flew into the WTC and Pentagon.
I assume you are not referring to Gore's acceptance of the Supreme Court decision, his conceding, and his call for National unity, which was Dec 13, 2000.
Why didn't he just keep filing endless challenges until he got the result he wanted? Because at some point he saw what was best for the country was more important than what was in his narrow best interest.
Al Gore will always be a bit of a clown. He was just not a toxic, malignant clown.
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Here is Flynn's petition on why we need to invoke martial law:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fn6epl0izsp2jrl/WeThePeople_Final.jpg?dl=0
These top Dems and Repubs never say anything directly. They use "buffers" (mob\Godfather reference). Cohen gave several examples how Trump did this. Dems do it too.
If these guys know nothing else, they usually know at least how to give orders without giving orders.
Here is Flynn's petition on why we need to invoke martial law:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fn6epl0izsp2jrl/WeThePeople_Final.jpg?dl=0
These top Dems and Repubs never say anything directly. They use "buffers" (mob\Godfather reference). Cohen gave several examples how Trump did this. Dems do it too.
If these guys know nothing else, they usually know at least how to give orders without giving orders.
How can you trust anything Flynn advocates for as being on the up-and-up? He's already been to prison once for breaking the law - lying to the FBI about conducting illegal activity on behalf of Trump.
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How can you trust anything Flynn advocates for as being on the up-and-up? He's already been to prison once for breaking the law - lying to the FBI about conducting illegal activity on behalf of Trump.
But he DIDN'T lie to the FBI!!!!!!! Don't you read the Epoch Times???
He just lied to a Federal judge under oath when he admitted guilt as part of his plea deal, I guess.
:rolleyes:
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There doesn't need to be 5. One will do. Any attempt, or even a thought of an attempt, to overthrow the peaceful transfer of power after a certified election should be enough to earn you a traitor's fate.
So your undying, virulent hatred of Trump started sometime after the 2016 election when he tried to overthrow the peaceful transfer of power after a certified election? No...that just can't be it.
Your undying, virulent hatred of Trump started sometime after the 2016 election when you realized with sure and certain knowledge that he was going to overthrow the peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 certified election? No...that can't be it either.
So, I've carefully gone through all your posts on Trump looking for the reasons you hate him so. Took a while but I think I did find the top 5 reasons you have this incredible animosity towards him.
1. Orange Man Bad
2. Orange Man Bad
3. Orange Man Bad
4, Orange Man Bad
5, Orange Man Bad
I think we all now understand your careful evaluation and logical reasoning of Trump's Presidency and why you hate him so much.
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The issue on both sides is neither will even entertain the opinion of the other. The division is literally tangible and few, if any, appear willing or able to have a reasonable debate.
My opinion of Trump is that he is unmeasured in his actions and words. He is brash, crass and highly unconventional in the role as president and is certainly no politician. He wants every deal to be in his favour and he wants everyone to know how great he is. This obviously attracts a lot of loyal followers however such a polarizing figure also attracts a lot of detractors. It seems you either love him or hate him, there appears to be no middle ground which is where he fails as a diplomat. In order to secure 4 more years all he had to do was some diplomacy and appeal to those voters out there who were waiting to be swayed. That is not who he is and he did not get the votes he needed.
Now, before you all go screaming conspiracy theories, voter fraud and stolen election I am willing to discuss credible evidence of actual fraud however I do not work for Disney and am not interested in fantasies. On the issue of voter fraud, in particular mail in ballots, Trump flagged this as an issue for months before the election. He was putting in place the thought that somehow this was an avenue for the election to be stolen from him. My view is he knew that Biden supporters were much more likely to use postal voting than Trump supporters as they (Biden supporters) had a much more cautious outlook when it came to Coronavirus and would choose to avoid going to polling stations in person. That meant that if he could cast doubt on the validity of those votes he would have an avenue of challenge.
My views may very well differ from yours.
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Toxic is the buzzword of the degenerate liberal left.
Toxic masculinity, another made up term that describes men who dont want to wear dresses.
Toxic is the buzz word of the spoilt narcissistic greedy individual who has never worked a 12 hour night shift.
When the Chinese created economic recession hits over the next 5 years hopefully this privileged way of thinking will disappear.
I read a book other week about cultures in Northern Britain and in the East that have disappeared, apparently the earth’s temperature dropped by 3 degrees 6 thousand years ago.
Another spoilt Western buzzword global warming, in Africa, India and China they are not falling for that ruse.
This scam is to ween you spoilt liberals off cheap credit, you cannot have a new car because of the polar bears, the key word is YOU, not them they will still fly in their private lear jets while you have a push bike with no seat on looking for potholes.
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Toxic is the buzzword of the degenerate liberal left.
Toxic masculinity, another made up term that describes men who dont want to wear dresses.
Toxic is the buzz word of the spoilt narcissistic greedy individual who has never worked a 12 hour night shift.
When the Chinese created economic recession hits over the next 5 years hopefully this privileged way of thinking will disappear.
I read a book other week about cultures in Northern Britain and in the East that have disappeared, apparently the earth’s temperature dropped by 3 degrees 6 thousand years ago.
Another spoilt Western buzzword global warming, in Africa, India and China they are not falling for that ruse.
This scam is to ween you spoilt liberals off cheap credit, you cannot have a new car because of the polar bears, the key word is YOU, not them they will still fly in their private lear jets while you have a push bike with no seat on looking for potholes.
Huh?
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Freak :x
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Also why have you been joining the food fight?
HiTech
:D :D
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On the issue of voter fraud, in particular mail in ballots, Trump flagged this as an issue for months before the election. He was putting in place the thought that somehow this was an avenue for the election to be stolen from him. My view is he knew that Biden supporters were much more likely to use postal voting than Trump supporters as they (Biden supporters) had a much more cautious outlook when it came to Coronavirus and would choose to avoid going to polling stations in person. That meant that if he could cast doubt on the validity of those votes he would have an avenue of challenge.
That is pretty objectively clear. There are countless sound bytes in context with him saying things that support that.
There is so much polarization. Trump seems to have fostered it to solidify a portion of his base.
I wonder if the Repub party will stabilize back to a Reagen-ish platform to stay Trumpian?
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The repubs never wanted trump
He made them all laughing stocks during the 16 primary
They want him out almost as bad as the left as he was not supposed to win
They were all ready for 8 years of crooked hillary but the people had other ideas and told them to stick it
This time round it seems they were better prepared to make sure that did not happen a 2nd time
Barrs decision yesterday sealed it for me..the country is toast as corruption at the state level now wins out
Eagler
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Would you support Trump declaring marshal law, stopping the peaceful transfer of power on Jan 20, and forcing states he lost to re-vote?
Like Toad said!
No not me and not anyone here that I’ve seen.
Have you actually seen more than a one off of Trump supporters saying they would if there were valid re-counts or “re-vote” as you said performed?
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The repubs never wanted trump
He made them all laughing stocks during the 16 primary
They want him out almost as bad as the left as he was not supposed to win
They were all ready for 8 years of crooked hillary but the people had other ideas and told them to stick it
This time round it seems they were better prepared to make sure that did not happen a 2nd time
Barrs decision yesterday sealed it for me..the country is toast as corruption at the state level now wins out
Eagler
It ain't over until the body positive lady sings.
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BBW :old:
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The repubs never wanted trump
He made them all laughing stocks during the 16 primary
They want him out almost as bad as the left as he was not supposed to win
They were all ready for 8 years of crooked hillary but the people had other ideas and told them to stick it
This time round it seems they were better prepared to make sure that did not happen a 2nd time
Barrs decision yesterday sealed it for me..the country is toast as corruption at the state level now wins out
Eagler
So Republicans do not like Trump now?
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So Republicans do not like Trump now?
Many elected Republicans do not, like Mitt Romney.
HiTech
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Pretty sure many if not most did not
He is not a politician and so is not one of their gang
His ego is as bad as any of theirs
He did not play their game and bow down to china while exposing the chinese corruption in our gov
If he could have kept his mouth shut, stayed off twitter and did exactly what he has done the last 4 years, he would have gone down as one of the best
His ego provided the media with the nonsense they have been spewing turning anything he was for "evil"
When all he wanted to do was stop 100's of 1,000's of illegals from invading our southern borders he was called hitler
Sadly between himself, both sides of the congress (the swamp) and the media the only hope was the support of the millions of ppl who saw what he was trying to do or saw him as the better of two crap choices (again)
That hope was negated via election fraud IMO
Eagler
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Many elected Republicans do not, like Mitt Romney.
HiTech
Exactly.
Republican voters like him, however numerous established and entrenched elected Republicans politicians have shown their disdain and worse for him all the way from the primaries, through the last 4 years to the present.
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Many folks like to vote for a person who supports them. Americans have not had any so called leader that was so effective at supporting the "citizen" in some time, not till Trump. Just look where much of the 900 billion is going that they are voting on right now. It is not even for the United States.
Some people are so concerned about illegals that they hate Trump over it. They confuse illegals with immigrants. Immigrants have always been welcome in our country, people who do not go through the vetting and try to enter illegally have not. They should hate Obama too as he worked to stem illegals, he was just not as effective at his job.
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Trump's successes have made the establishment politicians on both sides look like incompetent posers. That's an unforgivable sin to incompetent posers.
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CNN said Trump is implicated in the sinking of the Titanic and the assassination of JFK.
And is responsible for locking up children in cages on the border.
The fact that Obama created the cages and locked up illegal immigrants is immaterial.
Don Lemon is definitely guilty of some thing.
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The lefties project; it's their SOP.
So when a leftie tells you Orange Man BAD!!!! Declares Martial Law!!!
What they actually mean is that if it was THEIR guy in the WH and he was losing, the best thing to do would be to declare martial law and whip us deplorable into camps.
Usually, whatever the Alinsky-ites accuse you of doing they have either already done, are getting ready to do, or contemplating doing.
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The lefties project; it's their SOP.
So when a leftie tells you Orange Man BAD!!!! Declares Martial Law!!!
What they actually mean is that if it was THEIR guy in the WH and he was losing, the best thing to do would be to declare martial law and whip us deplorable into camps.
Usually, whatever the Alinsky-ites accuse you of doing they have either already done, are getting ready to do, or contemplating doing.
Ohh, Alinskyism, this should be fun. A bit too neo-liberal for my liking.
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So is Trump going to Prison for something?
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No he is not
Just another wet dream of the crazy left
Now sleepy creepy corrupt joe should be behind bars long ago but it seems he will be in the WH at least for a short visit until the 2nd half of this corrupt election is revealed to the rest of the public.
Eagler
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I used to dearly love the 37 page arguments we had in here a decade + ago. (Admittedly, they had very little to do with cartoon airplanes, but they WERE quite fun, certainly more than three word story games)
<I believe I'm gonna dl the game agin and give Mr Hitech a few of my dollars....just found out I have to toodle down to NC for work today, someone's NVR's are going blinky blinky, prolly do this later tonite)
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No he is not
Just another wet dream of the crazy left
Now sleepy creepy corrupt joe should be behind bars long ago but it seems he will be in the WH at least for a short visit until the 2nd half of this corrupt election is revealed to the rest of the public.
Eagler
Hillary should have been imprisoned, Biden should be imprisoned, I am sensing a theme here. Would you say the Barack Obama should be imprisoned as well?
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No he is not
Donny, his kids, and Rudy can all get adjoining cells.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/22/trump-lawyer-rudy-giuliani-blasts-investigators-as-federal-probe-heats-up.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/22/trump-lawyer-rudy-giuliani-blasts-investigators-as-federal-probe-heats-up.html)
<Snicker>
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Biden sniffs kids then?
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Wanna bet 6 months AH none of them serve a day?
Say by June?
Put up or shut up
Eagler
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Wanna bet 6 months AH none of them serve a day?
Say by June?
Put up or shut up
Eagler
They won't serve. I was just noting a theme.
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Wanting others to pay for your AH account is socialism. :old:
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I invented trees and the moon.
Dinosaurs never existed as well.
They were made up by Spieberg
The moon is a projection
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I was on the R&D team for D.I.R.T.
The little pebbles were my idea.
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It baffles me how the only person responding appropriately to the political discussions is zack, God love'im :D
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There is this (pre-COVID):
Income Growth (source Economic Policy Institute: https://www.epi.org/)
2014-16: +5.8%
2016-2018: +2.7%
S & P 500 (source S & P 500 historical price records)
2014-16: +60.74%
2016-2018: +37.52%
Job Growth (source US Bureau of Labor Statistics: https://www.bls.gov/)
2014-17: 8.1 million
2017-Jan 2020: 6.6 million
18.5% reduction in job growth.
Who Gets Credit For The Booming U.S. Economy?
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/12/646708799/fact-check-who-gets-credit-for-the-booming-u-s-economy
I sincerely hope the economy continues to do well for everyone. :salute
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It baffles me how the only person responding appropriately to the political discussions is zack, God love'im :D
Zackspam. You two are likely having an affair. Shhhh. Mum's the word. :aok
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Looks more like Walter the old man puppet everday
https://youtu.be/f3tSb2zskXg
That is an insult to Walter as sleepy creepy corrupt joe has a chinese hand up his crack
https://images.app.goo.gl/HahUBNa4KEdxm5HQA
Eagler
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Snicker
:D
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It baffles me how the only person responding appropriately to the political discussions is zack, God love'im :D
Zack knows the secrets to the universe, though, so it's expected of him.
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Zack knows the secrets to the universe, though, so it's expected of him.
I get a very McCarthyist vibe from him :uhoh
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"You support a horrible person like Trump, so that means you're horrible!" doesn't hold water for anyone who voted for Hillary or Biden or any other career politician. The excuses you have to make for both of those two's actions while they were in government don't even compare to what you try to dig up on Trump. Biden was a friend of the KKK. No need to take anything out of context. No need to try to explain the "dem/rep flip" when the same people who were dems then are still dems. Hillary opened a US government access for sale club that had to be run out of Canada to circumvent US law. This isn't removing context... it was from their web site.
Politicians who became millionaires are championed as fighting for the people while a millionaire that becomes a politician is a 1% that just doesn't understand the little people. It is bizarro world in politics, these days. A police officer in a Dem city working for a dem endorsing union shoots a black man and the resulting riots in dem run cities are Trump's fault. A dem governor that did nothing to stop rioting in PDX calls in the national guard the day after elections end.
There has been too much very bad behavior for the last 4 years. I saw a significantly smaller portion from the right side of the fence.
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There has been too much very bad behavior for the last 4 years. I saw a significantly smaller portion from the right side of the fence.
Why didn't you say 6 years? Or 8 years? Or 2 years? 4 years is awfully specific.
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I get a very McCarthyist vibe from him :uhoh
Robert De Nero would be first on the list.
That degenerate thinks he is a real gangster.
He is a another degenerate like Weinstein and the rest.
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A police officer in a Dem city working for a dem endorsing union shoots a black man and the resulting riots in dem run cities are Trump's fault. A dem governor that did nothing to stop rioting in PDX calls in the national guard the day after elections end.
There has been too much very bad behavior for the last 4 years. I saw a significantly smaller portion from the right side of the fence.
In my opinion this sort of statement is where so many of you blur the lines of everyday life and politics and i have to say I never saw this before the Trump administration. He seeks to divide and those that follow him...well they follow him without much thought.
That police officer did not shoot that black man because the police officer was a Dem, he did not shoot for the dem union. The riots did not happen because the city was run by the democrats and they are not Trumps fault. That incident (and many more like it) happened for so many other reasons but I am sure at no point was it politically motivated.
You guys seem incapable of reasoned debate choosing instead to pick a side of the fence and throw stones at anyone on the other side. Your arguments are child like. You equate unrelated actions and reactions to politicians when you really need to look at the facts before you.
Is it really that hard to do?
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The liberal elites motivated all the resources of the media and delivered a false narrative since the present administration was elected.
The social uprest WAS allowed to go unchecked.
The narrative of systemic racism was on every media outlet......it is a LIE
This BLM narrative is now a world wide notion, funded by multi millionaire celebrities and Politicals.
The American political view is based on such individuals political bias such as Bill Maher, Don Lemon and the Opera Weinstein.
Dan Cranshaw i believe will not be discussing politics with Maher again after this media clown was show for what he was.
And that Whinfrey personal friend of the degenerate Weinstein has the audacity to the take the high moral ground.
Don Lemon is self evident
Tucker Carson being called a facist because he told the truth is how decadent American society has become.
Social Media censorship is self evident, what ever political standpoint you take your next.
Clinton losing is still hilarious.
Trump for for 2024 :aok
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In my opinion this sort of statement is where so many of you blur the lines of everyday life and politics and i have to say I never saw this before the Trump administration. He seeks to divide and those that follow him...well they follow him without much thought.
That police officer did not shoot that black man because the police officer was a Dem, he did not shoot for the dem union. The riots did not happen because the city was run by the democrats and they are not Trumps fault. That incident (and many more like it) happened for so many other reasons but I am sure at no point was it politically motivated.
You guys seem incapable of reasoned debate choosing instead to pick a side of the fence and throw stones at anyone on the other side. Your arguments are child like. You equate unrelated actions and reactions to politicians when you really need to look at the facts before you.
Is it really that hard to do?
Facts before us. That's a good one. Let us see those facts.
Please share.
Why would it be a fact that we have a army of police and none of the gang unit patrols around whole foods.
Let us see some facts.
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Unicorns and rainbows from the media if sleepy creepy corrupt joe and the sleezy jamacian get in
Except for the hunter story that should not go away unless daddy and others have something very big to hide
Do you think hunter will have a terrible accident keeping china joe in the spot they covid for him or does the witch get it when corrupt joe has to step down for medical reason?
The US has sank so far...
Eagler
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https://youtu.be/Ot-NAmMQ6A4
Eagler
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In my opinion this sort of statement is where so many of you blur the lines of everyday life and politics and i have to say I never saw this before the Trump administration. He seeks to divide and those that follow him...well they follow him without much thought.
That police officer did not shoot that black man because the police officer was a Dem, he did not shoot for the dem union. The riots did not happen because the city was run by the democrats and they are not Trumps fault. That incident (and many more like it) happened for so many other reasons but I am sure at no point was it politically motivated.
You guys seem incapable of reasoned debate choosing instead to pick a side of the fence and throw stones at anyone on the other side. Your arguments are child like. You equate unrelated actions and reactions to politicians when you really need to look at the facts before you.
Is it really that hard to do?
The only way Trump "divides" people is by Americans who love the American dream and globalist who hate America and want us to sell out to the UN and its sovereignty. It seems you haven't watched any of speeches and only go off what the media says about him. Its an ignorant approach.
Here's a great example of real #s not controlled by a media organization.
(https://i.ibb.co/zfHy5Ng/16087488900666428238410563288729-356282990653149.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h81PMCN)
These are the same confederate democrats who have ran these cities for decades. The cops that do this is democrat ran cities, with democrat ran sheriffs, with all democrat leaders are using these police to push the anti cop defund police agenda so that crime can sky rocket. Its all an agenda and quite frankly i think you have to be a total dumb idiot not to see it. If the dems led by example, their police wouldn't be treating people so poorly in these cities.
The confederates never changed their ideology, they only changed their approach to putting people in psychological slavery, rather than force. Thats what you are seeing in Portland and many other democrat poorly ran cities. They claim the police are racist, and everything is racist in their own cities controlled by the democrats they voted for. The confederate democrats laugh all the way to the bank while they control their goons like antifa to destroy small business and reck the cities in the name of "racism and fascism". Thats pure psychological brainwashing. George Floyd was pure psychological operation designed to feed the race and police war during the election.
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When arrest resisting criminals are killed and this is turned into numerous national televised gold casket funerals and if you dont agree with that hogwash you are then called a racist - something is very wrong
Sometimes it is just very stupid ppl doing very stupid things that gets them killed
https://youtu.be/nwLxy3ZQ8o0
At least this idiot was the right color as not to have his supporters burn down businesses when this was released
Eagler
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In my opinion this sort of statement is where so many of you blur the lines of everyday life and politics and i have to say I never saw this before the Trump administration. He seeks to divide and those that follow him...well they follow him without much thought.
That police officer did not shoot that black man because the police officer was a Dem, he did not shoot for the dem union. The riots did not happen because the city was run by the democrats and they are not Trumps fault. That incident (and many more like it) happened for so many other reasons but I am sure at no point was it politically motivated.
You guys seem incapable of reasoned debate choosing instead to pick a side of the fence and throw stones at anyone on the other side. Your arguments are child like. You equate unrelated actions and reactions to politicians when you really need to look at the facts before you.
Is it really that hard to do?
Your perception of Trump conservatives is exactly how the anti-Trump media portrays them. Coincidence?
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The only way Trump "divides" people is by Americans who love the American dream and globalist who hate America and want us to sell out to the UN and its sovereignty. It seems you haven't watched any of speeches and only go off what the media says about him. Its an ignorant approach.
Here's a great example of real #s not controlled by a media organization.
(https://i.ibb.co/zfHy5Ng/16087488900666428238410563288729-356282990653149.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h81PMCN)
These are the same confederate democrats who have ran these cities for decades. The cops that do this is democrat ran cities, with democrat ran sheriffs, with all democrat leaders are using these police to push the anti cop defund police agenda so that crime can sky rocket. Its all an agenda and quite frankly i think you have to be a total dumb idiot not to see it. If the dems led by example, their police wouldn't be treating people so poorly in these cities.
The confederates never changed their ideology, they only changed their approach to putting people in psychological slavery, rather than force. Thats what you are seeing in Portland and many other democrat poorly ran cities. They claim the police are racist, and everything is racist in their own cities controlled by the democrats they voted for. The confederate democrats laugh all the way to the bank while they control their goons like antifa to destroy small business and reck the cities in the name of "racism and fascism". Thats pure psychological brainwashing. George Floyd was pure psychological operation designed to feed the race and police war during the election.
Helter Skelter, man, far out.
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Regardless of which side you're on it's got to be hard to believe that Biden got 4 million more votes than Obama.
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The only thing I want to know from Hitech is ,,,,, Does he fly fish and does he go out with Skuzzy?!!
Also I am raising a race horse for the derby! I
am calling him Thunder has taken the lead!!!
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:banana: :D
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Arlo crying then Hitech taking him off the top rope. The irony!!
Honestly, when do we take to the streets?
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In my opinion this sort of statement is where so many of you blur the lines of everyday life and politics and i have to say I never saw this before the Trump administration. He seeks to divide and those that follow him...well they follow him without much thought.
That police officer did not shoot that black man because the police officer was a Dem, he did not shoot for the dem union. The riots did not happen because the city was run by the democrats and they are not Trumps fault. That incident (and many more like it) happened for so many other reasons but I am sure at no point was it politically motivated.
You guys seem incapable of reasoned debate choosing instead to pick a side of the fence and throw stones at anyone on the other side. Your arguments are child like. You equate unrelated actions and reactions to politicians when you really need to look at the facts before you.
Is it really that hard to do?
You guys? One person made that statement. Me. I can reason what you have dismissed.
Training and social order are to blame for what interactions occur between the police and criminals. It is as simple as that. Why this is more prevalent in Dem cities should be readily apparent. Seriously... where did riots occur? Are there only Dem mayors in big cities? Did dem mayors in the cities where rioting was "allowed" get together on a conference call early on and decide inaction would serve to hurt Trump more than doing something?
Do a little research before citing "reason".
Trump is standing his ground. The divisiveness is a result of:
"TRUMP IS A RACIST!"
"No I'm not."
"IF YOU VOTED FOR HIM YOU'RE A RACIST!"
"No we're not."
Do you even know what divisive means? This has been the strategy since November of 2015. Call him names enough and it will stick. Meanwhile, the dem party has turned into a bunch of Kathy's who can agree on so little that someone like Biden - the very thing they pretend to hate - gets the nomination. You only have to look at what dems have said about him to understand how ironic that is. Dismiss the history, focus on the fabricated and move forward from there. It is the new dem strategy.
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That floyd was a serial criminal who pistol whipped a pregnant women while stealing from her home....FACT
What would have happened to that savage in Africa, Russia or China?
The Democrats and liberals venerated a disgustingl animal.
No wonder China and Russia despise the Western Democracies.
If you voted for biden the kid sniffer you are the cause.
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:banana: :D
Gawrsh! Those red parts must be jam packed with angry people. Your map is skeery! :old:
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Gawrsh! Those red parts must be jam packed with angry people. Your map is skeery! :old:
If only cactus, jack-rabbits and cattle could vote. :rolleyes:
This might be a little more illuminating...
https://engaging-data.com/sizing-states-electoral/ (https://engaging-data.com/sizing-states-electoral/)
And Texas should really be colored purple. Demographically, it will inevitably turn blue.
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Or another useful visualization of the voting data...
By County Scaled by Population
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/2rvzy96ezp7zw5f/Votes.png?raw=1)
See all the red states with the tiny dots. That's because those are counties with like twenty people in them.
Square footage does not equal population.
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Yep. Stack people on top of one another and you get batshirt crazy people. Blue circles are the irrefutable proof.
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Yep. Stack people on top of one another and you get batshirt crazy people. Blue circles are the irrefutable proof.
You see plenty of Trump-tards out there claiming it's "proof" that there is fraud because Biden couldn't have won the popular vote because Donny won more counties in state X.
Poor uneducated bumpkins.
They should go back to watching Duck Dynasty and not hurt themselves trying to think so hard.
<Snicker>
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Gawrsh! Those red parts must be jam packed with angry people. Your map is skeery! :old:
Roughly speaking (+/- a few % or so), about half the population of the US is on one side and half on the other side. Neither group of the bifurcated population is small.
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Roughly speaking (+/- a few % or so), about half the population of the US is on one side and half on the other side. Neither group of the bifurcated population is small.
But ... but .... 3 days! Guaranteed! Civil war! Good times! :old:
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Roughly speaking (+/- a few % or so), about half the population of the US is on one side and half on the other side. Neither group of the bifurcated population is small.
Well, that map was showing more like 60/40. But I suspect are large number of those blue votes were disaffected Republicans who voted Blue to get rid of Trump. I know the feeling. :rofl
All in all I'll agree with your assessment. But certainly not what what's his name was trying to imply and not what Trumpers are trying to imply every time they wave the red map around. "Look! See how many of these squares of empty desolate space devoid of human habitation we colored red??? MAGA!"
But really, that is only a smaller part of the story.
The real story is what is the 10 year trend look like?
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Well, that map was showing more like 60/40.
The land area of republicans is enormously larger than democrats. The population who are democrats vs. republicans is approximately even.
My point is that neither side can dismiss the other side as being small in number of people.
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My point is that neither side can dismiss the other side as being small in number of people.
I'll accept that, as I said.
But to me the more interesting question is which is getting larger over time, and which is getting smaller over time?
The world is in flux and a static snapshot only tells a small part of the meaningful story.
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But ... but .... 3 days! Guaranteed! Civil war! Good times! :old:
The right and republicans talk a lot but don't end up doing anything -- like your previous "all hat and no cattle" comment.
The left is willing to fight hard, even fight dirty, for what they want. The left has people willing to riot and cause mayhem. The left has cattle.
We've got a country largely divided into two social-political philosophies. The best way for that to work is by truly following the Constitution: a thin layer of federal government, with states that have a lot of autonomy. People can then live in the state that suits them and be happy. A thick layer of federal government that forces uniformity of states is the realm that creates motivations for succession and civil wars.
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As does corruption at the state level
Eagler
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But to me the more interesting question is which is getting larger over time, and which is getting smaller over time?
People who are democrats control the majority of education, media, and big tech, which is useful in creating new democrats. Democrats also influence immigration (both legal and illegal) more than republicans -- and nearly every other country is far more left-leaning than the US.
Unsurprisingly, democrats are kicking the butts of republicans in growth. If republicans don't up their game a lot, the republican party will be insignificant in the future.
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Hello Guys...
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year...
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Merry Christmas to you, Jedi! :aok
Merry Christmas, folks. :aok
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Hello Brooke,
Good to know you still fly this game.. :salute
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People who are democrats control the majority of education, media, and big tech, which is useful in creating new democrats. Democrats also influence immigration (both legal and illegal) more than republicans -- and nearly every other country is far more left-leaning than the US.
Unsurprisingly, democrats are kicking the butts of republicans in growth. If republicans don't up their game a lot, the republican party will be insignificant in the future.
Did trump get more votes than Obama? That has got to be worth something.
But yes, the red side must stay aware and represent the people. We know the blue side will do anything to get elected.
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Hello Brooke,
Good to know you still fly this game.. :salute
I still fly in every Scenario event. :aok
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Did trump get more votes than Obama? That has got to be worth something.
But yes, the red side must stay aware and represent the people. We know the blue side will do anything to get elected.
More votes then Obama? He didn’t make the ticket when Obama was running. Short answer. No.
Of course all the double counted ballots for trump this year (like in my county, more votes for Trump then registered voters) he says more people voted for him then someone that wasn’t even running. Only the simplest of minds by his con game. If you can’t see the con, you’re the mark.
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Biden is a kid sniffer :old:
You people voted for that?
If Biden came near me i would set the dog on him.
Then again he would try and sniff it.
Dirty get
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Biden is a kid sniffer :old:
You people voted for that?
If Biden came near me i would set the dog on him.
Then again he would try and sniff it.
Dirty get
The Orange Clown would grab you by your cat zack. :D
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Men touching women is normal...fact
Problem with liberals they think everthing goes.
The fact that the parents of the kid he sniffed did not knock his teeth out is the odd thing.
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Men touching women is normal...fact
Problem with liberals they think everthing goes.
The fact that the parents of the kid he sniffed did not knock his teeth out is the odd thing.
Joe should paint himself orange, sniff is daughter, get his wife to hate him and hug a flag. You and Eagler could hold each other in your of all things orange.
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Zack you are correct. Kid sniffing and wife rubbing can be overlooked.
Ever see a guy insult his supporters to their face like Joe did? Eek, so aggressive.
Huuuuummmm buuuubbbbblllle. Laaaaaaaaalalala, I can't hear see or belive laaaaaalalala nnnnnnooooo neeeverrrr haaaappppeeeennnnd.
There, better. Joe never molested thos kids or people. Now where is my juice.
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I have seen him on you tube... :old: