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Title: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on November 23, 2021, 05:07:19 PM
its been a long time since i tried this game. I got the new version on steam and set it up.
The head positions are not moving for me at all. Is it no longer possible to move or adjust?
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: The Fugitive on November 23, 2021, 05:17:43 PM
Are you using VR, some adjustments dont work the same in VR

Did you assign a slider or axis to move you head positions around like zoom? If so you cant have both, either you use an axis, or a key combination.

First things that come to mind.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on November 23, 2021, 06:26:00 PM
No VR and no slider for adjusting head pos. Its shows the left/right up /down arrow keys like i remember year ago
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: morfiend on November 23, 2021, 08:41:06 PM
Page up and down also. Press the home key and then use f10/11 to save, this will set your forward view to look out the canopy instead of at the gauges. Then adjust your other views with arrow and page up/down and save with F10/11.


  All the key maps are available in options,controls map keys.


 hope this helps.  BTW I say F10/11 because it has changed and may be either of them,you'll see view position saved when you hit the proper key.


    :salute
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: Wiley on November 23, 2021, 11:21:42 PM
What about head tracking?  If head tracking is enabled, just move your head and hit F10 to save the new position (I think) or turn off the head tracking while in game (I think trackIR's on/off button was F9) and then the arrow keys should work.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: Drano on November 24, 2021, 09:44:27 AM
Have to pause head tracking if using TIR or VR before you can adjust head position. Once set as you like hit F10, it's saved. Hit the recenter view button and tracking is re-enabled. And you're off.

The arrow keys, pgup and pgdn keys will do nothing if tracking is enabled. There's a key command to pause it. Don't remember it offhand and I'm on my phone.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: Wiley on November 24, 2021, 09:56:39 AM
Have to pause head tracking if using TIR or VR before you can adjust head position. Once set as you like hit F10, it's saved. Hit the recenter view button and tracking is re-enabled. And you're off.

The arrow keys, pgup and pgdn keys will do nothing if tracking is enabled. There's a key command to pause it. Don't remember it offhand and I'm on my phone.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

If you're using VR (and I believe I heard someone say the same applies for head tracking) you can move your head and hit F10 to save the position your head is in as the new center.  So to get my head where I want it in the cockpit in VR, I just move my head a little bit in the direction I want to go and hit F10 as many times as I need to to move the center where I want them.

Same applies if you hold any of the view direction keys or hat.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on November 25, 2021, 09:44:43 PM
I am not using VR. I have old Version of game on my PC. Same issues.
I have the latest install from steam. They both have no movement with page up/down or arrow keys.
 
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: The Fugitive on November 25, 2021, 10:07:55 PM
I am not using VR. I have old Version of game on my PC. Same issues.
I have the latest install from steam. They both have no movement with page up/down or arrow keys.

Are you sure you didnt add an axis to any head movement?

Once I thought it would be great to tie my mini joystick on my CH throttle to head movement. It took away any head adjustments and I had to only use the mini stick to get any movement.

You can rename your settings folder in the C:\Hitech Creations\Aces High III folder of the game to "_old" or something. Restart the game and it will build a new settings folder. Test to see if you can get head movement with the arrows and page up and down keys. If you can you have something else assigned to the movement and that is what is messing it up.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on November 25, 2021, 10:15:09 PM
no i did nothing to change head positions. I can't see my gauges at all.
O well. I am to old for this obviously anyway. I can't shoot planes in offline arena easily anymore.
Its just to frustrating now.
Thanks for all the replies. 
I give up
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on November 26, 2021, 02:50:57 PM
After resting . i decided to try again.
Got my son looking into the possibilties. He DL'd AH3 and it alll works for him

FIle attached showing the settings are on default for head position
frustrating since I cant see my gauges.


we used another keyboard and got the same error.
when i tried to clear arrow Keys to resert them the reset wanted to change to something other than what i am pushing.
Obviously software issue
My Win 10 was reset to fresh instlal just two weeks ago and no other known issues
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: morfiend on November 27, 2021, 10:13:47 AM
By chance maybe you are in "zoom" view? Default Z key,press it and see if it toggles between zoom and no zoom { and } or bracket keys more the zoomed view.

 Also AH3 uses a different default field of view,back in AH1 and 2 it used 106 now it uses 90,this will restrict the view of the gauges but before you go changing that lets see if we cant fix the head movement first.

 You may have a corrupt file try re-installing the game and plz report back with any results.


    :salute
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: FLS on November 27, 2021, 05:23:03 PM
After resting . i decided to try again.
Got my son looking into the possibilties. He DL'd AH3 and it alll works for him

FIle attached showing the settings are on default for head position
frustrating since I cant see my gauges.


we used another keyboard and got the same error.
when i tried to clear arrow Keys to resert them the reset wanted to change to something other than what i am pushing.
Obviously software issue
My Win 10 was reset to fresh instlal just two weeks ago and no other known issues

Sometimes the game assigns functions to controllers. You can unplug your controllers and see if that helps.  If it does then check all the assignments.

Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 01, 2021, 02:34:41 PM
By chance maybe you are in "zoom" view? Default Z key,press it and see if it toggles between zoom and no zoom { and } or bracket keys more the zoomed view.

 Also AH3 uses a different default field of view,back in AH1 and 2 it used 106 now it uses 90,this will restrict the view of the gauges but before you go changing that lets see if we cant fix the head movement first.

 You may have a corrupt file try re-installing the game and plz report back with any results.


    :salute
No sire. I have a zoom bottom working. The only problem i have is the head position adjustments. I cant see my dash at all. Dont know what secondary weapon is assigned or anything. I'm thinking i will have to reinstall windows even if i just went back to first saved point after my last install. What a chore
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: FLS on December 01, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
What is your field of view setting?
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: morfiend on December 02, 2021, 11:51:35 AM
What is your field of view setting?


  Yes the FoV has changed since the old days,was 106 now it's 90. this will restrict your views I  have a button mapped to look forward down that allows me to see all the gauges etc.


    :salute
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 02, 2021, 04:34:26 PM
What is your field of view setting?
Its at default.
1.0 over 90.0

Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 02, 2021, 04:35:27 PM

  Yes the FoV has changed since the old days,was 106 now it's 90. this will restrict your views I  have a button mapped to look forward down that allows me to see all the gauges etc.


    :salute
good idea but ..HP should be adjustable still?
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: morfiend on December 03, 2021, 10:51:24 AM
Yes it's still adjustable but the view is limited compared to what it used to be,you can change the FoV by setting a custom field of view.

  Your issue is perplexing for the life of me I cant seem to think  of what could be causing this,perhaps you have views set to an analog setting. One thing if you use the keypad and arrow keys sometimes windows wont do anything because of the amount of key presses. Try using a hatswitch with the arrow keys/page up/down because if you use 3 or more keys at same time they may not respond.

 I'll be in the TA this evening between 9 pm and 10:30 pm EST,if you can make it I'll try to see if we can sort out this issue.


    :salute
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 03, 2021, 05:43:06 PM
thanks
i think i will re-install Win 10. first, although its a fairly recent fresh install
 dreaded reinstall
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: SIK1 on December 03, 2021, 06:46:09 PM
Have you tried a fresh install of AH with your controllers disconnected from your computer?
The reason I ask is that I suspect that something is being assigned to one of your controllers that prohibits you from adjusting your head position in the normal way. If you can adjust the head position with the controllers disconnected then all you have to do is find out what is being assigned and clearing it.

Like Morfiend, I'm perplexed by this issue. I don't ever recall someone not being able to adjust their head position.

 :salute
Sik
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 06, 2021, 01:28:22 PM
No sir. I will try that.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 06, 2021, 07:38:26 PM
I just tried that and have the same issue
unistall and a reinstall oh AH3. then plugged in Ch figherstick and ch pedals.
same problem

time to try Fresh Win 10 install

Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: FLS on December 07, 2021, 06:44:20 AM
Did you try moving your head position when the controllers are not plugged in? The point is simply to see if something is miss-mapped.

I would not reinstall Win 10 or AH. It seems like a waste of time. All you usually need to do is restore settings to default by deleting or renaming the settings folder.  BTW do not use old saved settings.

Did you change your FOV?
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: SIK1 on December 07, 2021, 10:25:53 AM
Did you try moving your head position when the controllers are not plugged in? The point is simply to see if something is miss-mapped.

I would not reinstall Win 10 or AH. It seems like a waste of time. All you usually need to do is restore settings to default by deleting or renaming the settings folder.  BTW do not use old saved settings.

Did you change your FOV?

Sorry I wasn't clearer. Try adjusting the head position without the controllers connected. AH assigns the controller functions automatically when you connect the controller to your pc.

I agree with FLS about not reinstalling windows, or AH again. Just disconnect your controllers delete the settings folder, and with the controllers disconnected launch AH, and before you reconnect the controllers see if you can adjust the head position. If you can, then there is something being assigned to your controllers that prohibits you from adjusting your head position normally.

What controllers are you using?

 :salute
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 07, 2021, 11:26:58 AM
I have analog CH pedals that work fine with convertor
 I have CH combatstick but just upgraded to the CH Fighterstick

Everything is fine but the HP adjustment
i will try the settings folder delete and try as you said.
Thanks


Urdate: I deleted Setting folder and disconected my controlls.
I even left teh pedal uninstalled.
No change


Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: SIK1 on December 07, 2021, 02:09:42 PM
Can you check to see that the head position functions are mapped in AH? Clipboard>Options>Controls>Map Keys, check views.

 :salute
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: morfiend on December 07, 2021, 03:04:06 PM
The only time I've seen something like this occur is when 3 or more keys are being pressed at the same time. Something like key pad 6 arrow key right and page up then nothing will happen as I understand it it's a windows thing. I actually thought one of my keyboards was broken when this happened. The solution was to use the hatswitch instead of keypad 6 and then adjust the view with page up/down and arrow key.

 Now I'm not saying that is this issue but as I said I'm perplexed by this problem and have never seen or heard of it other than the multiple key presses.


    :salute
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: FLS on December 07, 2021, 03:52:24 PM
Running any antivirus?
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 07, 2021, 05:30:36 PM
They head postions adjuments are are set to default. I Delted Settings folder.. Started over again.. as suggested.
They are set like they should be.

I just ran Malware bytes.. found a few things in browers. quaratined them
rebooted. Started AH3

No changes. frustrating it is
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: The Fugitive on December 07, 2021, 06:21:53 PM
You can go to this site

https://keyboardchecker.com/

and test to be sure your key presses are being seen by the computer.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: FLS on December 07, 2021, 07:15:39 PM
They head postions adjuments are are set to default. I Delted Settings folder.. Started over again.. as suggested.
They are set like they should be.

I just ran Malwear bytes.. found a few things in browers. quaratined them
rebooted. Started AH3

No changes. frustrating it is

I just did a clean install of the Steam version.  PgUp and PgDn moved the pilot head up and down, arrow keys moved it side to side and back and forward.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 09, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
I even had an older version to do this same thing..
i hooked up another keyboard..

same problems occured.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: FLS on December 09, 2021, 05:48:10 PM
Have you tried mapping head movement to your analog controls? If that works you can save the head position then remap the controllers.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: Wiley on December 09, 2021, 06:21:02 PM
Just an off the wall question:  Are you using the numeric keypad for arrows and page up/down, or the actual arrow keys to the left of it?

Wiley.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 09, 2021, 07:11:42 PM
Have you tried mapping head movement to your analog controls? If that works you can save the head position then remap the controllers.
Not sure what you mean.

I do use up/donw/left/right..
pageup /pagedown


I'm going to have to do Win 10 install.. and I hate that.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: FLS on December 09, 2021, 10:24:47 PM
What happens when you use Page up/down?
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 10, 2021, 09:09:10 AM
HP jerks just a tad like the arrow keys.. no real movements
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: Drano on December 10, 2021, 12:35:35 PM
What you describe is exactly what would happen if you were in VR or using TIR.  Head position would just kinda budge but not really move until you pause head tracking. You said you weren't in VR but are you using TIR? Or even have it installed? The game may be trying to use it even tho you don't have it actually stuck on your head. Either way, look in key mapping and find whatever key pauses head tracking. Something tells me it's something like alt+F4 or alt+F5. I'm at work so don't know offhand. Not sure so look it up. Hit whatever that key combo is and see if you can move you head position around after that.

That your head position is budging when you hit the arrow, pgup and pgdn keys tells me at least those keys are right.

edit:  The commands are

Tracker Center =  ctrl+F4
Tracker Off      =  ctrl+F5

Hit ctrl+F5 and try to move head position.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: oboe on December 10, 2021, 02:27:40 PM

"Something tells me it's something like alt+F4 or alt+F5."   



LOL, shame on you Drano!

Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: Drano on December 10, 2021, 02:31:02 PM
Duh! Yeah! Sorry! Hehe

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Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 10, 2021, 07:12:02 PM
No VR and i dont know what Tjr is..

I know better than to do Alt + F4
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: decoy on December 10, 2021, 07:14:40 PM
No sire. I have a zoom bottom working. The only problem i have is the head position adjustments. I cant see my dash at all. Dont know what secondary weapon is assigned or anything. I'm thinking i will have to reinstall windows even if i just went back to first saved point after my last install. What a chore

I hate to give advice that I can't tell you how to do, but... If you could post a screen shot of what you see, I'm willing to bet there are some players here who can tell you what needs changing.  I've been working with SIK1 in the training arena, (whole 'nother story) and he coached me on how to change and save my head position in various a/c.  I was skeptical, but I did what he said and, **bang** everything clicked. 

But, what he did to show me was send me an email with screenshots of what he wanted me to see while using various combinations on my controller.

I don't know if this helps you, but it's worth a try, if you can post a screenshot and let the 'experts' take a look.

Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: Drano on December 10, 2021, 07:15:01 PM
Try ctrl+F5 and see if that frees it up.

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Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: SIK1 on December 11, 2021, 09:51:14 AM
F9 is the default on/off in tir.

Not sure if he has tir loaded on his machine, but I kind of doubt it.

 :salute
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: The Fugitive on December 11, 2021, 10:16:43 AM
It sounds like it is acting just like when you have an axis tied to a head movement.

If you used the link above to test your keyboard button pushes and that checked out ok then I would think your windows is fine and not in need of re-installing.

Next Id go into the game and click on "Options", "controls", "map controllers". In the top right drop down box select each controller and see what is assigned to each axis. Check each controller including the mouse to be sure nothing is assigned to a head movement. I'd even go so far as to UN-assign each one at a time and retest the head movement with the arrow keys to see if any of them clear the issue.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: Wiley on December 11, 2021, 10:36:34 AM
HP jerks just a tad like the arrow keys.. no real movements

Jerking just a tad, I've only ever seen that happen if there was an axis bound/head tracking was enabled.  We've been over that 3 or so times, so not sure what to make of that but I suspect that's the root of the issue.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 13, 2021, 11:50:53 AM
You can go to this site

https://keyboardchecker.com/

and test to be sure your key presses are being seen by the computer.
My KB worked just fine on that and everything else  but not AH3 or older.

No i do not have VR or TIR installed
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: SIK1 on December 13, 2021, 12:52:36 PM
What controllers are you using?

Iirc AH use to assign head movement to one of the toe brakes on CH pedals back when I used the hat for views.

You can try getting into an airplane and then moving each one of the analog controls including trim pots, toe brakes, rudder axis, etc. and see if your head position changes. If it does then you found the issue, if not I'm stumped as to why you can not adjust your head position.

 :salute

Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: 1ijac on December 13, 2021, 04:52:28 PM
GenMata...... I tried reading back through the thread and still wasn't sure if you are having the problem of not seeing guages in cockpit....If so, on clipboard before entering game click on video settings tab> uncheck auto select> check the custom setting box and try typing 107 in the custom setting box for field of view.  once that is done, your head should be in a better position to see things in the cockpit.  Make sure the video card listed in the top left is the correct card and the drivers for the card are up to date. Have you gotten that far and now wish to move your head positions around and save them along with mapping keys to use your hat switch or keypad controls on your keyboard?

One-eye

Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 18, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
GenMata...... I tried reading back through the thread and still wasn't sure if you are having the problem of not seeing guages in cockpit....If so, on clipboard before entering game click on video settings tab> uncheck auto select> check the custom setting box and try typing 107 in the custom setting box for field of view.  once that is done, your head should be in a better position to see things in the cockpit.  Make sure the video card listed in the top left is the correct card and the drivers for the card are up to date. Have you gotten that far and now wish to move your head positions around and save them along with mapping keys to use your hat switch or keypad controls on your keyboard?

One-eye
Card is correct with latest drivers.
My problems is the arrows dont work my head position adjustments nor dose page up/down which is my main problem.. Key mapping shows this is what should be working and i know form past how to it should work.
and i found i could set a key for to see gauges but i can't see something well in some planes. flight yoke blocks the view.
i've tried other keyboards, nothing changes.
i remapped keys to hat switch did not work
no HP adjustments possible.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: Eagler on December 18, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
https://youtu.be/8Q2gA7QP-e4

What is yours set at?

Mine is set to 109

Eagler

Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: The Fugitive on December 18, 2021, 06:04:15 PM
Another thing you could do is post a copy of your controller jsm (C:\Hitech Creations\Aces High III\settings)files here for these guys to go through them. For each controller you have you will have a jsm file. Click the "Attachments" button below in a "post reply" message, navigate to the folder and grab each of the jsm files.

Then we can look through and see what you have assigned to what in the game and see if there are any abnormalities.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 18, 2021, 09:45:19 PM
well that didn't go well
i tried to send all 4 .jsm files

Anyone have a good CH Fighterstick.fsm setup i could try?
I dont know.  i think the issue is in the keyboard setup
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: The Fugitive on December 18, 2021, 10:52:59 PM
Damn, sorry about that, I didnt notice the file type restrictions.

What you could do is go to the settings file, and click on each of the jsm file WHILE holding the "CTRL" button down. With all 4 selected, right click the files and select "zip". mine suggests "compress to "settings.zip"". Save it to the desktop, and then attach that file to the "post reply" window. That should work as zip files are allowed.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: Bizman on December 19, 2021, 03:34:52 AM
You can also choose all .jsm files by keeping Ctrl down while clicking each of the .jsm files once. Then by right clicking on one of the selected you can pack all of them into one single .zip file the way Fugi instructed. The file will be named by the file you're right clicking but it will contain all blue lined files.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 20, 2021, 06:15:33 PM
i will zip them to you
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 20, 2021, 06:19:53 PM
here is my zip file
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: SIK1 on December 20, 2021, 06:41:48 PM
Are you using CH Control Manager by any chance?

If you are try turning it off then start AH and see if your head position issue is resolved.

 :salute
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: The Fugitive on December 20, 2021, 06:46:57 PM
I didnt see any conflicts in those.

SIKs idea about the CH manager is a good one, also did you switch your FOV (field of View) to the old standard of 106?

When you start the game, sign in, and then on the next page in the second column click on "Video Settings". When that opens select a "Custom Field of View", and type 106 in the box and click the OK. Go into the game and test it again.
Title: Re: Head postion
Post by: GenMata on December 20, 2021, 09:44:05 PM
I got the CH CM in an attempt to solve my problems. So i starated without it.
I have set the FOV to 106/107
i remapped Arrow keys to Hat switch.

nothing helps and tt seems to be a waste of time.
I dont want to Reload Win 10 since Microcrap is trying to force me to get 11. I only have a license for 10 and not the key.
No point in buying 10 when they are going to force 11 on me eventually.
I checked the lastest Linux but its weakness is gaming i hear.