I was a bit confused because it seems libertarianism and liberalism probably stemmed from the same root but they appear to be in opposition. Now. :headscratch:
I have endeavoured to abide by the forum rules; pertinantly Rule 14, and interpreting the meaning of politics to especially mean the debate between parties having power. I'm not interested in that and I give my word this is not some elaborate troll or my usual sarcastic observation but a genuine question:
What do Amercians mean by the term 'liberal'?
Usually when I endeavour on a new study programme, definitions are readily available and specific. I am not able to find an accurate / objective definition for this term, apprently being highly-charged, in this domain a uniquely a US-dialect and also in a dynamic state making previous definitions someone inapplicable.
Can someone give me a simple answer? Preferably before Monday morning in Texas when the Dale-God-Entity strikes me down with a locked thread leaving only a pair of empty, smoking Reeboks. :rofl
Why not just google it?
Classical Liberalism is more in line with Libertarianism than modern day Liberalism.
Somewhere along the way, the terms Conservative and Liberal have been muddled into a linear left/right spectrum.
I wanted an Americo-centric definition :old:
Could it be the spectrum is more an area on a plane that a position along a line?
One side will say the other has drifted out into its extreme but truth is both have moved out from center to both their extremes with most normal folks trying to be tolerant of those extremes as they are trying to be portrayed as the normal
Eagler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_the_United_States
That was hard.
How has your average Conservative moved to the extremes?The RINOs aren't those like Cheney but those that kowtow to #45.like yourself. :D
I dont consider #45 extreme at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_the_United_States
That was hard.
How has your average Conservative moved to the extremes?
Try reading a book
You people referring to wikidiot
“That was hard” the irony
What was the last book you read is like a red flag to a bull to the average American
They take pride in being illiterate….fact
You people cannot give ONE example of a book you have read…..fact
Milo is trolling the thread to get it shut down. He brags about this stuff in other places.
Try reading a bookI actually just finished A Promised Land by Barack Obama. Next up is Where Men Win Glory by Jon Krakauer.
You people referring to wikidiot
“That was hard” the irony
What was the last book you read is like a red flag to a bull to the average American
They take pride in being illiterate….fact
You people cannot give ONE example of a book you have read…..fact
You people cannot give ONE example of a book you have read…..fact
Milo is trolling the thread to get it shut down. He brags about this stuff in other places.
Try reading a book
You people referring to wikidiot
“That was hard” the irony
What was the last book you read is like a red flag to a bull to the average American
They take pride in being illiterate….fact
You people cannot give ONE example of a book you have read…..fact
I think it's inevitable anyway. Everything can be made political even threads about political questions. :banana:
I don't have a problem with political discussions. I'm simply letting others know he is a troll. For example, he knows I'm hardly a fan of Trump yet he posts these trolls. He also brags about trolling people here and other places. So, just so you know not to waste your time engaging the toejam stain.You lie as much as your hero. Produce these trolls you say I have done.
Give your own (that wasn't an entire book of pictures). :aok
Yes, absolutely... take the test.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
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Wow, pretty cool assessment. My dot showed up dead center in the lower left box :uhoh.
Maybe Zack means read a book which challenges your beliefs and assumptions instead of ones that tend to confirm those you already have, as some of these so-far listed tend to imply?
Actually that is the motivation for my original question (me talking to myself): "What if you're interpreting this incorrectly ( / what if you're wrong)?
)'m presently busy with Linear Algebra which I need for a programming project and Marcus Aurelius - some of the passages of which really force you to 'take a moment in life' and are surprisingly relevant despite him bashing out his first draft on his MacBook 2000-years ago :rofl
the truth is you will never find an answer because there is none.
take for example violators reply. change a few words and then it becomes what is a conservative.
or Shuffler's about the condition of our country. a couple of years ago, around here beans,rice, toilet paper, meat, pork and some other staples were in short supply. now we have them but more expensive. so what is better? to not have them or to have them at a higher price.
so the truth is liberals, conservatives, woke, cancel culture, man, woman are terms people like to use but nobody can define. hell we can't even agree on what is a barbq. in california is different than in the south.
semp
It's easier to define terminology than it is to convince people to use it properly. People with twisted minds twist terminology to their convenience instead of working with simple facts.
Or .... people claim others twist 'simple facts' when perspectives and philosophies clash.
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And ... or..... people claim others twist 'simple facts' when perspectives and philosophies clash. In the end facts are facts, opinions are opinions. Those who can't tell the difference can't accept simple facts.
And ... or..... people claim others twist 'simple facts' when perspectives and philosophies clash. In the end facts are facts, opinions are opinions. Those who can't tell the difference can't accept simple facts.
around here is anything you put on a grill, heck you can even make carnitas and still call it a bbq.
semp
If you start putting bananas on a grill, warn me first. :O
I like the way this thread has mutated from politics into BBQ. Normally it's the other way around :old: :rofl
And given today's date, let's just throw this in for Zack's benefit:
By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world.
- oldman
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It's easier to define terminology than it is to convince people to use it properly. People with twisted minds twist terminology to their convenience instead of working with simple facts.
Speaking of BBQ. I just grilled my first rack of lamb today with some African peri peri rub on my green egg. Let me tell you what. I've been nervous about cooking lamb but this turned out to be the best lamb I've ever had. Should have taken a picture.
I actually just finished A Promised Land by Barack Obama. Next up is Where Men Win Glory by Jon Krakauer.
You know what happens when you assume...
the truth is you will never find an answer because there is none.
take for example violators reply. change a few words and then it becomes what is a conservative.
or Shuffler's about the condition of our country. a couple of years ago, around here beans,rice, toilet paper, meat, pork and some other staples were in short supply. now we have them but more expensive. so what is better? to not have them or to have them at a higher price.
so the truth is liberals, conservatives, woke, cancel culture, man, woman are terms people like to use but nobody can define. hell we can't even agree on what is a barbq. in california is different than in the south.
semp
The term 'liberal' as it is today (Not historic etymology) is an embracing of marxist utopianism in some form or degree.
What do Amercians mean by the term 'liberal'?
My 2 cent's to OP ? The term 'liberal' as it is today (Not historic etymology) is an embracing of marxist utopianism in some form or degree.