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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Chris79 on July 16, 2022, 10:15:16 PM
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Ok, numbers suck, there is no denying that. I was thinking maybe a three tiered solution may work.
Tier 1. FTP, Spit1, Hurri1, 109E, Ki43, A6M2, C202, He111, Ju88, B25c, T34/75, and the 109F, spit5, perked.
Tier 2. 7.99$ All mid war planes with the Spit16, K4, abd D9 perked.
Tier 3. Normal subscription
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#1 thing hitech could do is either come out of retirement and put 1 hour a day into implementing a few changes we ask for in the game OR better yet sell it to one of the few people who have expressed interest for a realistic price.
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Ok, numbers suck, there is no denying that. I was thinking maybe a three tiered solution may work.
Tier 1. FTP, Spit1, Hurri1, 109E, Ki43, A6M2, C202, He111, Ju88, B25c, T34/75, and the 109F, spit5, perked.
Tier 2. 7.99$ All mid war planes with the Spit16, K4, abd D9 perked.
Tier 3. Normal subscription
Some of us who have played this game many years enjoy the cartoon aircraft you first mentioned. Some of us.
For the most part people will not fly those planes unless they are in a scenario/event, and they have to do it.
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I would rather just pay the full subscription price and fly what I want when I want. And earn perks to fly perked planes.
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I think it sounds like one of the best ways to possibly change the pay structure of AH and keep it going
Eagler
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I'm all for allowing a few free planes to get the #s up.
Here's my issue: the 190D, spit16, yak3, and La7 should all be perked. They are detrimental to the game play. I leave the P51 out just because too many would get their panties in a wad. Just look at the plane stats for the last few months. The Yak 3 and 190D has one of the highest amounts of kill rates with some of the highest amounts of K/D. It's like having too many predators in the woods killing too many chickens or something. It's not good for the natural environment. The spit16 and La7 should be perked. They are the best defensive planes in the game. They can be-line to almost any plane with their exceleration, have more than capable cannons with the spit16 having 50 cals too. They can out turn almost any plane, especially the spit16, and can run away from almost any plane. The yak3 fits in that category as well. Too many are just not good for gameplay and it seems that these planes are dominating the plane stats every month. Would a 5 perk cost really hurt? Eventually the noobs flying these planes aren't noobs anymore but they still continue to fly them. This making the game actually much harder for noobs. These abundance of super planes are IMO a big reason why so many have given up and left.
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My guess is that there would be enough players currently paying full price who would move to "Tier 1" or "Tier 2", that would offset any new "Tier 2" subscriptions.
Replacing the 2 week free trial with some number of free hours might be a way to give new players enough actual playing time to learn the game and get hooked.
Or, something.....
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I think one problem with new players is that the learning curve is so steep that they just give up. Especially if they're limited to those early war planes. Even though it might be free, they might just get so frustrated and just leave.
I think that current players would just be all over new players and shooting them down relentlessly. There's so many players that just play for rank. Or maybe not, I haven't played in a couple of months. I'm not as in tune as I was when I played all the time.
For me, I love a challenge. If I get shot down a million times I'll keep coming back for more. Lol.
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Well not only that Gina, new players some if not most will not ask for help, if you offer to help they won't answer you. I've tried many times to help noobs get plane Off the ground the easy way by using auto take off until they learn to get up manually. I have seen noobs quit because they keep crashing on take off.
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What about just extending the 2 week free trial to say 6 weeks?
Not many will pay $15 a month to learn how not to die...let alone actually shoot something down...
With the learning curve being high and all the free sims out there now, it would give newbies more time to get better before paying for it
And it seems it would be the easiest to change code wise
Eagler
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Oh and this is just my thought, with the economy the way it is, high food and fuel prices etc. Some of you all still insist on HiTech lower his price in some shape or form. Counting himself he has 5 mouths to feed high electricity costs I'm sure. Lowering game price would hurt his income just as sure as losing players. Some of you all are leaving it up to HiTech, to solely to try to get new players.
How many of you have tried your self to get new players. Asked friends family (brothers sisters cousins uncles nieces nephews to play. Coworkers,fellow students, neighbors if you are friends with them. Etc.
I'm going into my 4th month without a computer, my 11 year old computer finally took a dump, but I'm still paying my $16.03 a month in hopes of getting a computer and making a comeback before the year is out.
Roast me if you must (not 1st time hehe) RTB you all take it easy. :airplane:
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I've gotten two fellow cadets to install Aces High and try it out, but one has decided to move on from games, and the other one is just a broke teenager lol. :banana:
I really like the idea of tiers though, I just flew the Spitfire Mk 1 last night into a full blown air battle in the MA, and it held its own quite nicely. I know for a fact I would be happy to play for free with early war planes, and it would have gotten me into the MA months earlier. A lot of people would have just quit before those few months.
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I don't know about the pricing. I mean do you really want a bunch of people in here en mass that are basically just gamers?
I think there's a good balance of numbers. Maybe it's a little low right now. But I don't think you want thousands of people that are just gamers. I think it's okay to charge more money for something that's more of a niche. You know I think it's more of a niche game and I don't think people mind paying.
There's lots of things that might get to new people though. Even me coming back to the game after years. Like the fact that they don't answer you could just be as simple as they think their mic might be working and it's not. Or they don't know how to tune to the right channel or something. Or they don't even know how to select the channel to type on. Maybe they're even typing on the wrong channel .
Maybe something as simple as automatically tuning somebody to the local channel would be good. I don't know. Like I said I am not in tune so much as I used to be.
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Thousands would be good. Even a hundred new gamers would be nice.
I doubt pricing is the problem. It may be the first obstacle but getting shot down for a year is likely a bigger issue.
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Maybe something like WW2 Online does with their they're "Welcome Back Soldier"... One would think HTC still has the e-mail address of most of the pass players. Give them a free week a few times a year to come back..... and hopefully get hooked on the game again.
CAV
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Thousands would be good. Even a hundred new gamers would be nice.
I doubt pricing is the problem. It may be the first obstacle but getting shot down for a year is likely a bigger issue.
I posted this idea earlier, but maybe have a dedicated trainer squad per country that all newbs get assigned to.
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Oh and this is just my thought, with the economy the way it is, high food and fuel prices etc. Some of you all still insist on HiTech lower his price in some shape or form. Counting himself he has 5 mouths to feed high electricity costs I'm sure. Lowering game price would hurt his income just as sure as losing players. Some of you all are leaving it up to HiTech, to solely to try to get new players.
How many of you have tried your self to get new players. Asked friends family (brothers sisters cousins uncles nieces nephews to play. Coworkers,fellow students, neighbors if you are friends with them. Etc.
I'm going into my 4th month without a computer, my 11 year old computer finally took a dump, but I'm still paying my $16.03 a month in hopes of getting a computer and making a comeback before the year is out.
Roast me if you must (not 1st time hehe) RTB you all take it easy. :airplane:
I'm trying to increase the price... of perking more planes. :D
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Tig, how many perks do you have, just curious?
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Tig, how many perks do you have, just curious?
Just broke 100, saving for when I really need them. Which really means Me 163s and 262s for strat defense.
But even then, I'm pretty good about watching sneaky dar bars, I just had a successful mission in a Mossy Mk 6, defending the Knights' AAA strat. Sure enough I found a formation of Lancasters and bounced them. App75's crazy good gunnery wounded me pretty good, but I got one, a teammate got another, and I landed while badly damaged. Then, I proceeded to up from the field that the last Lanc was gunshipping. Managed to nail him while I was still taking off! :airplane:
Added 2 kills to my Mosquito killstreak, standing at 11 kills and zero deaths in the Mosquito. Double ace woohoo! :airplane:
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I posted this idea earlier, but maybe have a dedicated trainer squad per country that all newbs get assigned to.
It's been debated. New players like videos, even though videos can't tell you what you're doing wrong.
The issues with squads are staffing and newbie interest. Newbies would rather join an established squad than a beginner squad and that also solves the staffing issue.
You can always invite a newbie to join a squad as a temp trainee to learn the basics. Trainers can help with any questions or issues the squad can't answer.
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The games UI is one of its biggest problems in my opinion. Its nice in the sense that it allows you to do alot to customize to your liking, but very counter-intuitive and horribly outdated. I've had new people turned away because "It looks like its from the 90s". I think we take it for granted considering lost of us have been playing for nearly a decade.
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The games UI is one of its biggest problems in my opinion. Its nice in the sense that it allows you to do alot to customize to your liking, but very counter-intuitive and horribly outdated. I've had new people turned away because "It looks like its from the 90s". I think we take it for granted considering lost of us have been playing for nearly a decade.
You're right about the UI.... on both counts. I like it because you can do pretty much anything. And the dot commands. I mean, so much thought and detail went into this game. I'm still amazed by it. I love having that kind of control. Dale really must be a genius. He put together an amazing game.
I like a challenge and I like top figure things out. My brother is just the opposite. He gives up if something doesn't immediately work like he wants. I know it's a lot for a new player, but it's also rewarding.
One the my favorite things about any game is the multiplayer aspect. Especially a game that requires skill to beat another player. Maybe some kids these days just want to be able to start mowing things down. I don't know.
I wish there could be an easy answer to bring more people into this game. It will be a sad day if this game ever goes away.
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You're right about the UI.... on both counts. I like it because you can do pretty much anything. And the dot commands. I mean, so much thought and detail went into this game. I'm still amazed by it. I love having that kind of control. Dale really must be a genius. He put together an amazing game.
I like a challenge and I like top figure things out. My brother is just the opposite. He gives up if something doesn't immediately work like he wants. I know it's a lot for a new player, but it's also rewarding.
One the my favorite things about any game is the multiplayer aspect. Especially a game that requires skill to beat another player. Maybe some kids these days just want to be able to start mowing things down. I don't know.
I wish there could be an easy answer to bring more people into this game. It will be a sad day if this game ever goes away.
that’s were the 2 week trial isn’t long enough, but making certain planes free it would allow people time to acclimate to the game. And a newb would getting slaughtered just the same in a P51 vs a Spit1.
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Just broke 100, saving for when I really need them. Which really means Me 163s and 262s for strat defense.
But even then, I'm pretty good about watching sneaky dar bars, I just had a successful mission in a Mossy Mk 6, defending the Knights' AAA strat. Sure enough I found a formation of Lancasters and bounced them. App75's crazy good gunnery wounded me pretty good, but I got one, a teammate got another, and I landed while badly damaged. Then, I proceeded to up from the field that the last Lanc was gunshipping. Managed to nail him while I was still taking off! :airplane:
Added 2 kills to my Mosquito killstreak, standing at 11 kills and zero deaths in the Mosquito. Double ace woohoo! :airplane:
Excellent! Not bad in the mossie! The Temp is actually the one you want. Its better than the 262, IMO. I was curious to see how many you had as a new guy to show that even a new guy could would be able to spend 5 perks on a super late war plane if he wanted. Plus you only lose them if you die.
I've got about 18,000 perks, not including my first 2 handles. If I only flew perked planes though, the game wouldn't be fun for anyone. :devil
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Too bad we cannot give our perks to other folks in game. Even some kind of award for helping do a mission or assist in some plan. You could offer someone a set amount of your perks for helping attack a town or defending a base. That would be nice.
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Excellent! Not bad in the mossie! The Temp is actually the one you want. Its better than the 262, IMO. I was curious to see how many you had as a new guy to show that even a new guy could would be able to spend 5 perks on a super late war plane if he wanted. Plus you only lose them if you die.
I've got about 18,000 perks, not including my first 2 handles. If I only flew perked planes though, the game wouldn't be fun for anyone. :devil
I uh, actually never noticed that! I always assumed they're spent permanently haha. Of course there was that one time a frikn Wirb blasted my Tempest out of the sky...... :bhead
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Too bad we cannot give our perks to other folks in game. Even some kind of award for helping do a mission or assist in some plan. You could offer someone a set amount of your perks for helping attack a town or defending a base. That would be nice.
It would actually provide some incentive to do missions if you could send them 100 perks to join it.
I uh, actually never noticed that! I always assumed they're spent permanently haha. Of course there was that one time a frikn Wirb blasted my Tempest out of the sky...... :bhead
Yup, don't get to close and low to the field with those things haha. You also know about ENY too right? The higher the ENY of the plane, the more perks you get for killing planes with lower ENY. So if you roll a G2 and shoot down a couple of spit16s, you'd get about 15 perks depending on the perk multiplier and if you landed. If vice versa, you'd only get about 2 perks.
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It would actually provide some incentive to do missions if you could send them 100 perks to join it.
Yup, don't get to close and low to the field with those things haha. You also know about ENY too right? The higher the ENY of the plane, the more perks you get for killing planes with lower ENY. So if you roll a G2 and shoot down a couple of spit16s, you'd get about 15 perks depending on the perk multiplier and if you landed. If vice versa, you'd only get about 2 perks.
Yknow that makes a lot more sense now lol. :rofl
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Just a thought in my booze addled brain. How about a 'rookie league' arena? You have to amass a certain amount of hours in the rookie league to be able to go to the other mains or actively participate in special events. If you have over those amount of hours you can't go in there unless you're a trainer or a mod. Also 'rookie league' players could do ride alongs in events etc to get a taste for it.
Then you would have new guys fighting new guys and probably not getting killed over and over and over. Give them a chance to acclimate, encourage them to go to the TA (when I get back after I'm all comfortable and feel like I have something to contribute I'll spend time in the TA just like I used to) for help from some vets.
Also I think it's incumbent among vets to actively seek out and help newer players before clubbing them like baby seals.
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Just a thought in my booze addled brain. How about a 'rookie league' arena? You have to amass a certain amount of hours in the rookie league to be able to go to the other mains or actively participate in special events. If you have over those amount of hours you can't go in there unless you're a trainer or a mod. Also 'rookie league' players could do ride alongs in events etc to get a taste for it.
Then you would have new guys fighting new guys and probably not getting killed over and over and over. Give them a chance to acclimate, encourage them to go to the TA (when I get back after I'm all comfortable and feel like I have something to contribute I'll spend time in the TA just like I used to) for help from some vets.
Also I think it's incumbent among vets to actively seek out and help newer players before clubbing them like baby seals.
Air Warriors had something like this. Once you used up your time, you werent allowed bullets in there any more. Even after I had used up my time in there I would go back often to be a target for new guys. Give tips and chat with them. Some ended up coming over to The "Mafia" once they moved into the main arenas.
Its a good idea, one mentioned many times years ago when HTC had a full crew and they didnt do it then. I doubt they will do it now.
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Two week free trial with all planes..as it is now
Then another two weeks to a month with a subset of free to fly planes ...this is after a pop-up asking if they want full
pay access or continued by limited free trial access
Then the $15 a month signup for total access with a couple of barely used planes in ma that stay free to fly...targets for the rest of us :)
Eagler
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Also I think it's incumbent among vets to actively seek out and help newer players before clubbing them like baby seals.
A new player doesn't come tuned to ch 200, which currently is the o ly way a guy on the opposite side would be able to communicate with them. We also can no longer PM the other side, because instead of dealing with a couple problem people, HT decided to take it away for good. I think that choice took a lot of out of the community aspect of the game.
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A new player doesn't come tuned to ch 200, which currently is the o ly way a guy on the opposite side would be able to communicate with them. We also can no longer PM the other side, because instead of dealing with a couple problem people, HT decided to take it away for good. I think that choice took a lot of out of the community aspect of the game.
Yeah, that's true. And I know even me - having played for years previously, when someone would pm me in game I wouldn't know how to tune to them to answer them back.
I think it would be cool if the private radio channel would auto-tune to the person who calls you. Or maybe just a popup that askes if you would like to tune to them and then a way to click and tune to them.
I think the radio channels can be confusing for new players.
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A new player doesn't come tuned to ch 200, which currently is the o ly way a guy on the opposite side would be able to communicate with them. We also can no longer PM the other side, because instead of dealing with a couple problem people, HT decided to take it away for good. I think that choice took a lot of out of the community aspect of the game.
You can talk cross country on the 200 channels though, both parties have to be tuned to the same channel, ie 258.
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You can talk cross country on the 200 channels though, both parties have to be tuned to the same channel, ie 258.
Yeah, still part of the hurdle with the learning curve though. I'd rather have them on 200 to get a sense of community than praying they can figure out how to tune to a different ch200-299 frequency. And then obviously teach them how to squelch the guys that log in to purely talk politics. :D