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Title: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 26, 2022, 01:41:24 AM
I don't know what's going on but I've read two or three different stories today from different publications and different authors that are stating that air conditioning is a problem now..
Check out this article from time. They are saying that air conditioning will not save us. They are also pretty much blaming Americans because over 90% of Americans have air conditioning and less than 3% of Germans do and the same with the UK. I don't know what this deal is but it looks like they're coming after our air conditioning now. Lol!
Air conditioning divides us by race and class—especially during inflation. Since low-income neighborhoods of color are hotter, it can take more energy (i.e., more money) to cool homes in those communities to the same temperature as wealthier neighborhoods. In addition, a recent study found that Black residents spend hundreds of dollars more on energy bills than white residents even though they were 50% more likely to give up basic necessities and 40% more likely to keep the home at an unhealthy temperature to pay those higher bills. So even when Black households seem to have equal access to energy, the energy infrastructure continues to burden nonwhite residents more intensely than it does whites.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 26, 2022, 01:46:23 AM
Here's another article from the guardian. Basically blaming Americans for having air conditioning.
And time also released another article similar to the one I post to be for. Other news outlets are carrying similar stories suddenly.
But then, not all of those 90% of American households with a/c are affluent – not even close. The American insistence on air conditioning comes down to something in the national character, I think. The American aversion to heat is essentially defiant, a conquest of the environment, a refusal to have the temperature dictated to you by the planet. It’s manifest destiny and global imperialism applied to the living room thermostat - the “Don’t Tread On Me” flag, but the snake is in a 64-degree office with windows that don’t open, as the world burns outside.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: zack1234 on July 26, 2022, 02:02:22 AM
Yes Trump is to blame for air conditioning.
The Guardian is a Marxist newspaper populated by millionaire individuals who live in Islington.
The only people who read it are people in London.
Laurie Penny is one of their writers who advocates socialism while being a millionaire.
Americans don’t read books but can cut and paste very well
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: RotBaron on July 26, 2022, 04:26:13 AM
If Europe and said critics of ac give up their forms of heating in the winter we can then discuss ac.
When it’s 115 outside and 95 inside I’d bet they shut their pie holes.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: guncrasher on July 26, 2022, 05:03:25 AM
Gina you want to moderate here. in reality you don't have what what's like to be a moderator. please stand back, stand by.
semp
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: zack1234 on July 26, 2022, 05:40:15 AM
Moderators are busy bodies
Triggered morons who have egg shell realities require moderators
Moderators in the real world are called facebook and Twitter
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: JimmyD3 on July 26, 2022, 08:33:12 AM
Gina you want to moderate here. in reality you don't have what what's like to be a moderator. please stand back, stand by.
semp
Troll :rofl
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 26, 2022, 08:35:29 AM
Well, my idea of moderation is not to moderate. I offered to moderate here because I thought Dale was awol and my honest intent was to help him moderate, if that's what he would have wanted.
I have a pretty good history of moderation without any sort of bias.
I would actually be a very good hall monitor.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Shuffler on July 26, 2022, 08:44:01 AM
Lots of anti-Americans, even right here in the USA.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: zack1234 on July 26, 2022, 08:53:59 AM
Well, my idea of moderation is not to moderate. I offered to moderate here because I thought Dale was awol and my honest intent was to help him moderate, if that's what he would have wanted.
I have a pretty good history of moderation without any sort of bias.
I would actually be a very good hall monitor.
You like to promote your own praises.
Good attributes to be a moderator
I do nothing for free are you a commie ?
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: perdue3 on July 26, 2022, 08:54:16 AM
Well, my idea of moderation is not to moderate. I offered to moderate here because I thought Dale was awol and my honest intent was to help him moderate, if that's what he would have wanted.
I have a pretty good history of moderation without any sort of bias.
I would actually be a very good hall monitor.
Because you simply wouldn't stand on the hall? :headscratch: How very laissez-faire of you.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 26, 2022, 09:00:39 AM
I installed a DIY mini-split in my trailer a couple of weeks ago. I'm glad I got that before they start banning, but I guess now I am one of the evil ones who likes to be cool.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 26, 2022, 09:06:09 AM
actually, I do not moderate and my instinct is to allow people to discuss whatever they want and kind of let the community self moderate.
But on AH, my feeling would be to keep the place in more adhering to the rules. I would open it up a little more, given the choice - but this is not my place. I only offered to help and I would be good at it.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Eviscerate on July 26, 2022, 09:12:21 AM
But on AH, my feeling would be to keep the place in more adhering to the rules. I would open it up a little more, given the choice - but this is not my place. I only offered to help and I would be good at it.
How would you do that when even you don't adhere to said rules?
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: zack1234 on July 26, 2022, 09:29:29 AM
actually, I do not moderate and my instinct is to allow people to discuss whatever they want and kind of let the community self moderate.
But on AH, my feeling would be to keep the place in more adhering to the rules. I would open it up a little more, given the choice - but this is not my place. I only offered to help and I would be good at it.
I own AH
I am awesome
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 26, 2022, 09:39:52 AM
I'll tell you what I do not do.
I do not personally insult people or hijack threads. I do not act abrasively towards others - like a few people here do constantly. let's see - I do not troll or flame people.
Not sure what rules I'm breaking. There are 14 but I'm pretty sure I'm not breaking them knowingly.
What I would do on this AHBB is I would simplify the rules a little.
There really is not much of a problem here though. In my opinion, a couple of people are a slight problem. One person is constantly trolling and insulting people. I would put an end to that.
Another thing is the busy-body. Going into threads simply to admonish and hen peck people. I would ask that person to use the complainer button instead.
Not that Dale would want this, but I would allow discussion of things that people naturally want to talk about. Or at least in my opinion. People like to discuss current events, news, hobbies and just life.
What people don't like is bickering and arguments that go around in circles with people stating the same thing over and over again., Usually only a couple of people. I'd ask them totake it porivate.
I would create a sub-forum that people could access only if they requested - knowing that the sub forum would allow political discussion and be a little less restrictive. Then keep the O Club "clean"
I like people. I like discussions.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: zack1234 on July 26, 2022, 10:34:57 AM
It’s the internet.
The off button needs no moderator
Putin man bad :rofl
Your not even allowed to see Russian news :rofl
Your masters will not allow it
Land of the free :rofl
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 26, 2022, 10:43:08 AM
If they tried to take out my AC. You'd see a wrath of hell from my wife like you haven't seen before, and she would completely shut them down. I wouldn't even want to be in her path on that one LOL.
What we seem to be seeing now, as the theme, is: "because these people are poor, we should all have to live like them." Because "muh equity and fairness". For some reason, they don't like to talk about individual actions and why those people choose to remain poor. Instead we must drag the rest of society down to their level. That's not the American way. That's not the American dream, and anyone trying to drag us into a third world country in order for "muh equity" should just go move to a third world country and STFU and stop trying to take away the things that people have earned through hardwork.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: zack1234 on July 26, 2022, 10:46:05 AM
The UK has no American dream.
We are awake :rofl
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 26, 2022, 10:48:59 AM
If they tried to take out my AC. You'd see a wrath of hell from my wife like you haven't seen before, and she would completely shut them down. I wouldn't even want to be in her path on that one LOL.
What we seem to be seeing now, as the theme, is: "because these people are poor, we should all have to live like them." Because "muh equity and fairness". For some reason, they don't like to talk about individual actions and why those people choose to remain poor. Instead we must drag the rest of society down to their level. That's not the American way. That's not the American dream, and anyone trying to drag us into a third world country in order for "muh equity" should just go move to a third world country and STFU and stop trying to take away the things that people have earned through hardwork.
What irritates me is that they try to make everything about race. One of those articles actually said that black areas of the same city are hotter and that they suffer more even if they have air-conditioning too
They love telling us that it's all climate change and that climate change dissapropriety affects minorities. That's insulting.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: zack1234 on July 26, 2022, 11:10:14 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Shuffler on July 26, 2022, 11:37:04 AM
My RV has two A/Cs. I am so evil. I guess the heatpump on my home counts too.
Screw them.... they will not be invited in.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Eagler on July 26, 2022, 11:43:05 AM
They better fix the weather or go buy air conditioning as it looks like they will need it going forward for a while in the current cycle
Some of us have lived in areas where air conditioning is needed 10 months out of the year..
Heat index is now 108 at 12:42pm...nowhere near the hottest part of the day..
Eagler
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: MiloMorai on July 26, 2022, 12:10:43 PM
Well, my idea of moderation is not to moderate. I offered to moderate here because I thought Dale was awol and my honest intent was to help him moderate, if that's what he would have wanted.
I have a pretty good history of moderation without any sort of bias.
I would actually be a very good hall monitor.
last thing we need is a confused individual moderating this forum. You make enough harebrain posts as is.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 26, 2022, 12:54:43 PM
last thing we need is a confused individual moderating this forum. You make enough harebrain posts as is.
I think everyone is confused one way or another...
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: perdue3 on July 26, 2022, 02:23:24 PM
They are talking about systemic racism as it pertains to city planning and sections of areas where cultures mingle. Power and utility companies effectively have a monopoly in every part of the country which means you have to pay whatever the rate is regardless of your income. So, in many ways, there is no relative cost of power unlike rent, taxes, and food. You can't just simply read an article and spew it, there are underlying issues which must be understood in order to understand the article. That is any political or socioeconomic article, not just this one.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Shuffler on July 26, 2022, 02:47:53 PM
They are talking about systemic racism as it pertains to city planning and sections of areas where cultures mingle. Power and utility companies effectively have a monopoly in every part of the country which means you have to pay whatever the rate is regardless of your income. So, in many ways, there is no relative cost of power unlike rent, taxes, and food. You can't just simply read an article and spew it, there are underlying issues which must be understood in order to understand the article. That is any political or socioeconomic article, not just this one.
Don't bother, not worth the energy. They are content with their ignorance, it is apparently soothing to them.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Shuffler on July 26, 2022, 03:02:56 PM
What irritates me is that they try to make everything about race. One of those articles actually said that black areas of the same city are hotter and that they suffer more even if they have air-conditioning too
They love telling us that it's all climate change and that climate change dissapropriety affects minorities. That's insulting.
Racist always make everything about race. You see it every day. It is so bad that some people use their color as an excuse. Everyone is more the same than different. It is the individual who can choose to achieve or fail all on their own.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Eagler on July 26, 2022, 03:10:14 PM
I would say inflation on anything is racist then...why only pick own energy?
We know why...
Eagler
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Shuffler on July 26, 2022, 03:18:30 PM
They are talking about systemic racism as it pertains to city planning and sections of areas where cultures mingle. Power and utility companies effectively have a monopoly in every part of the country which means you have to pay whatever the rate is regardless of your income. So, in many ways, there is no relative cost of power unlike rent, taxes, and food. You can't just simply read an article and spew it, there are underlying issues which must be understood in order to understand the article. That is any political or socioeconomic article, not just this one.
And they are full of beans. Why can't they just say impoverished people? There are not only black people living in poor areas. I live in a trailer park myself. They try to make it about race as much as possible. They even said in the article that black people suffer more even when they have air conditioning. Black people they said. Why not just poor people? Or why not just people that live in a certain neighborhood?
I think a lot of people are tired of the racism. I know I am..
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: perdue3 on July 26, 2022, 03:59:20 PM
And they are full of beans. Why can't they just say impoverished people? There are not only black people living in poor areas. I live in a trailer park myself. They try to make it about race as much as possible. They even said in the article that black people suffer more even when they have air conditioning. Black people they said. Why not just poor people? Or why not just people that live in a certain neighborhood?
I think a lot of people are tired of the racism. I know I am..
If you look at impoverished areas, the race demographics are imbalanced. This is because of systemic racism for centuries in our country, not necessarily a result of racism today. Those impoverished areas have been that way for an entire century, I'd argue, or at least that's the way it is here in the South.
I am not arguing, just putting more meat on the bones of this article for you and others.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 26, 2022, 04:38:43 PM
I understand.
I just don't think that what they are mentioning in the article makes sense. Like they were mentioning that black people are more likely to suffer even if they have air conditioning. And that city planning didn't allow them to have trees or whatever.
I don't think these days there is deliberate racial discrimination in city planning. Where I live is mostly Hispanic and black. I'm a minority here. To lump racism into climate change and suffering from heat to me is ridiculous. I mean it doesn't matter what color you are. I don't think climate change attacks minorities more than it attacks anybody else.
Sure, you can make an argument that minorities live in poorer areas but there's a lot of poor white people around too. I just don't like when people put a spin on things and tied into racism. Why can't we just move forward?
You see it a lot too. They try to tell you that climate change affects certain races more than others. I think that's complete BS.
But those articles were mostly about air conditioning being evil now. And a lot of that was anti-American. I don't know if it's because of the heat wave in Europe that they are thinking about this now? Whatever it is that's ridiculous as well. They did mention in the article that some 3% of Germans have air conditioning in their homes and that author was saying how he was mocking Americans that visit him and complain that it's hot and his apartment. Basically saying that air conditioning is not needed. I'll bet you every car sold has air conditioning though. And I'll bet you they all have nice heating.
I just think people are sick of all these games that the media and others are playing on us. I think most people see right through it and I think it's an insult to their intelligence.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: perdue3 on July 26, 2022, 06:16:53 PM
I just don't think that what they are mentioning in the article makes sense. Like they were mentioning that black people are more likely to suffer even if they have air conditioning. And that city planning didn't allow them to have trees or whatever.
I don't think these days there is deliberate racial discrimination in city planning. Where I live is mostly Hispanic and black. I'm a minority here. To lump racism into climate change and suffering from heat to me is ridiculous. I mean it doesn't matter what color you are. I don't think climate change attacks minorities more than it attacks anybody else.
Sure, you can make an argument that minorities live in poorer areas but there's a lot of poor white people around too. I just don't like when people put a spin on things and tied into racism. Why can't we just move forward?
You see it a lot too. They try to tell you that climate change affects certain races more than others. I think that's complete BS.
But those articles were mostly about air conditioning being evil now. And a lot of that was anti-American. I don't know if it's because of the heat wave in Europe that they are thinking about this now? Whatever it is that's ridiculous as well. They did mention in the article that some 3% of Germans have air conditioning in their homes and that author was saying how he was mocking Americans that visit him and complain that it's hot and his apartment. Basically saying that air conditioning is not needed. I'll bet you every car sold has air conditioning though. And I'll bet you they all have nice heating.
I just think people are sick of all these games that the media and others are playing on us. I think most people see right through it and I think it's an insult to their intelligence.
Climate change and racism are not directly linked, obviously. But the effects are felt more with low income families. The percentage of low income families are wildly disproportionate racially. "Like they were mentioning that black people are more likely to suffer even if they have air conditioning." This seems an odd thing to say and they either are actually spouting nonsense as empirical fact or it has been misunderstood. And what they most likely actually mean is something like if they pay for A/C, they can't pay for something else like groceries, insurance, rent, healthcare, etc. "And that city planning didn't allow them to have trees or whatever." This makes much more sense. Most minorities live together in specific parts of cities and that area is generally low cost with a lack of parks, nature, and general upkeep by the municipality. That is not because of racism in 2020 or even 2000, but from the 1950s and even earlier. We call this systemic racism, where it is not explicit, it "just happened" over time.
Saying things like "there are poor white people, too" makes me want to leave this conversation, for it is similar to an oak tree. Of course there are, but look at percentages and weights of the populace. Is it proportionate? You claim that it is BS to say climate change affects other races more than others. That is not true, you are only looking at it from a scientific and literal point of view. Of course, we are all human and heat affects us the same way. That is not what they mean. Think of what climate change does in terms of money required and then weigh in the facts about utilities in this country (going back to my monopoly comment). Utility companies successfully breach the Sherman Anti-Trust Act because of a technicality and because of practicality. Alas, they are allowed to boss the market in your area and a mansion owner pays the same rate a trailer owner pays per watt in the same town/power district. Add in the social geography of minorities and low income families and it suddenly makes perfect sense that global warming affects those people more negatively than middle class. I will say that the article took some liberties with semantics which makes it not a completely unbiased article. With that being said, the point remains that more power usage will affect a low income family more so than a mid to high income family.
Regarding Europeans, they hate Americans and rightfully so. We are the personification of every cardinal sin, but most egregiously gluttony. In our defense, it gets up to 40C (110F) degrees here in most places. In many places it stays at that temperature or near it for more than a third of the year. So, they can suck it. Like my friends who live up north in NY, MA, and IA wonder why I even need heat when it gets down to only about 45F, northern Europeans wonder why we need so much A/C.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Arlo on July 26, 2022, 06:21:50 PM
Climate change and racism are not directly linked, obviously. But the effects are felt more with low income families. The percentage of low income families are wildly disproportionate racially. "Like they were mentioning that black people are more likely to suffer even if they have air conditioning." This seems an odd thing to say and they either are actually spouting nonsense as empirical fact or it has been misunderstood. And what they most likely actually mean is something like if they pay for A/C, they can't pay for something else like groceries, insurance, rent, healthcare, etc. "And that city planning didn't allow them to have trees or whatever." This makes much more sense. Most minorities live together in specific parts of cities and that area is generally low cost with a lack of parks, nature, and general upkeep by the municipality. That is not because of racism in 2020 or even 2000, but from the 1950s and even earlier. We call this systemic racism, where it is not explicit, it "just happened" over time.
Saying things like "there are poor white people, too" makes me want to leave this conversation, for it is similar to an oak tree. Of course there are, but look at percentages and weights of the populace. Is it proportionate? You claim that it is BS to say climate change affects other races more than others. That is not true, you are only looking at it from a scientific and literal point of view. Of course, we are all human and heat affects us the same way. That is not what they mean. Think of what climate change does in terms of money required and then weigh in the facts about utilities in this country (going back to my monopoly comment). Utility companies successfully breach the Sherman Anti-Trust Act because of a technicality and because of practicality. Alas, they are allowed to boss the market in your area and a mansion owner pays the same rate a trailer owner pays per watt in the same town/power district. Add in the social geography of minorities and low income families and it suddenly makes perfect sense that global warming affects those people more negatively than middle class. I will say that the article took some liberties with semantics which makes it not a completely unbiased article. With that being said, the point remains that more power usage will affect a low income family more so than a mid to high income family.
Regarding Europeans, they hate Americans and rightfully so. We are the personification of every cardinal sin, but most egregiously gluttony. In our defense, it gets up to 40C (110F) degrees here in most places. In many places it stays at that temperature or near it for more than a third of the year. So, they can suck it. Like my friends who live up north in NY, MA, and IA wonder why I even need heat when it gets down to only about 45F, northern Europeans wonder why we need so much A/C.
from the first article - and this is what I was referring to when I said that they said blacks are impacted more - I mean, "air conditioning divide us by race and class" Seriously? This whole paragraph is laughably ridiculous.
They telling me that black people, just because they are black, suffer and pay higher prices for electricity. Which is total BS. They should substitute "poor" for "black" but then they couldn't make it about race.
I'm just tired of this kind of "news" . And the reason I posted this thread was that I kept seeing news stories about air conditioning being touted as evil or somehow gluttonous. I wondered why these articles about AC suddenly are in the news. It's as if someone hired a PR firm to get this message out and I wondered why that is
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Air conditioning divides us by race and class—especially during inflation. Since low-income neighborhoods of color are hotter, it can take more energy (i.e., more money) to cool homes in those communities to the same temperature as wealthier neighborhoods. In addition, a recent study found that Black residents spend hundreds of dollars more on energy bills than white residents even though they were 50% more likely to give up basic necessities and 40% more likely to keep the home at an unhealthy temperature to pay those higher bills. So even when Black households seem to have equal access to energy, the energy infrastructure continues to burden nonwhite residents more intensely than it does whites.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: guncrasher on July 26, 2022, 08:20:21 PM
if you are tired of those type of news, stop reading them. and specially stop posting them.
semp
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: perdue3 on July 26, 2022, 09:08:40 PM
from the first article - and this is what I was referring to when I said that they said blacks are impacted more - I mean, "air conditioning divide us by race and class" Seriously? This whole paragraph is laughably ridiculous.
They telling me that black people, just because they are black, suffer and pay higher prices for electricity. Which is total BS. They should substitute "poor" for "black" but then they couldn't make it about race.
I'm just tired of this kind of "news" . And the reason I posted this thread was that I kept seeing news stories about air conditioning being touted as evil or somehow gluttonous. I wondered why these articles about AC suddenly are in the news. It's as if someone hired a PR firm to get this message out and I wondered why that is
Some of that is refutable and some of it makes sense based on what I have already said. I am not sure what they mean by low-income areas being hotter unless they mean the housing and equipment is overall less efficient and poorly maintained. This, obviously, would drive the price up. I feel like you could have arrived at this meaning yourself with just a little bit of critical thinking. I remember cooling my small home with 4 window units in a super inefficient house and my bill was twice as much as my uncle's 2,750 sq. ft. two story home. But, we were practically neighbors so the outside temperature was not hotter, but it took more energy to cool my house because I did not have the capital to spend on a central HVAC unit that can cost in the neighborhood of $7,000. Again, I think this is a misunderstanding and a fairly poor job of explaining it by them. In their defense, I think they expect readers to have a basic understanding of socioeconomics and cultural geography in America.
It is not being delivered as evil, it is being delivered as an unforeseen and unexpected byproduct of centuries of systemic racism. You are not reading it that way because you either disagree or are ignorant to the facts the article failed to mention which I have.
If you don't like this type of news, steer away from it. Especially if you can't understand what they mean and believe them to mean one thing when in fact they just did not spell out the underlying issue for you. And, please do not share news that you don't understand AND don't like to read.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 26, 2022, 09:40:46 PM
no, I get it as far as different places can be more or less efficient. It's just that they toss race into it as if --- I mean they actually say this, that air-conditioning divides us by race and class. Yeah?
I'm not disputing that different systems cost more or less to cool the same space. I live in a travel trailer and my place was very hot on hot days with just a window AC trying to keep up. I suffered with that for 14 years. Two weeks ago installed a mini-split. This thing cools the place to the point that it can actually be too cold. It is a lot more efficient, cools a lot better and costs less to run. I guess it's because I'm white that I can now cool my place more efficiently. I'm probably privileged somehow.
I live in an 8 space trailer park. Most of my neighbors are all from south America. All of them are, expect me and one older man. We live in the same small place. Race has nothing to do with any of it and it's ridiculous what these articles are trying to get across. Whatever affects my neighbors affects me exactly the same. Same city planning, same residence. The kind of thinking presented in the "news" article only serves to keep racism alive. I found it laughable and I'll bet most other people do as well.
I'm not a child, thank you. The article doesn't personally upset me. I posted it because it's a good example of how some people turn everything into race and racism. How the media pedals this kind of crap.
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Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: guncrasher on July 26, 2022, 10:47:57 PM
Gina just look up why the 710 stopped at valley Blvd and not to the 210 as planned. what's the difference between the south section and the never completed northern section.
semp
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: RotBaron on July 27, 2022, 04:25:30 AM
I don’t know a single area of the Phx metro valley where minorities are not welcome, except where the hispanics don’t want blacks and vice versa.
However, there are dozens of neighborhoods where whites are very unwelcome. If you’re white and want to give it a test, try standing on the corner of 59th Ave and Indian School Rd and see how long you last at any time of day. 10 minutes at night and up to an hour in the early morning is the maximum I give any white male before they’re unconscious or dead around there (and 100’s of locations I can name in Phx).
Ac units don’t cool minorities homes as well as their white neighbors :rofl. My Lord, CNN must have written that garbage and NPR I’m sure will continue to investigate :old:
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 27, 2022, 06:05:33 AM
These minorities continue to vote for the same people who have left them in the dumps for generations so that their leaders can continue to use them to push an agenda. They will never learn or understand because they will get their pittance handout from those people in order to keep them voting for their own demise. This started big time after the New Deal brought many minorities into the city. Only to fail and leave them dependent. It's generally been the same party leadership for decades controlling those areas. Take Portland or Chicago or Detroit for example. The other thing is that it's not generally even racism. It's their own "kind" who get power and then keep the rest of them down. I recon it's a lot of their own culture holding them back. The gang thug mentality isn't doing them any favors.
Now, back to AC. Black folks have lived in Africa, the hottest place on earth" for thousands of years without AC. Many people there still don't have AC and even running water is a big thing. With that, the minorities in America should be extremely happy they live here, but they will never be happy because they are always used to push a political agenda to make us more like Africa. Many Hispanics are first and second generation families. Those families are generally less well off. It's part of moving to America. This has happened to generally almost every family who immigrated here since 1900. It takes about 3 generations for a family to get into the upper middle class. Generally because that family was very poor when it first got here and they have to build their life here all over again. It's part of naturally becoming American. It's not easy. My whole issue with "muh equality" with regards to income is that they are trying to pit families who have been her for multi generations building up their wealth and families wealth, against families who have been here for 1 or 2 generations. They want more low income immigrants to move here so they can use them to push socialism on everyone and therefore prevent anyone from becoming wealthy. They use them as pawns and say see, vote for us and we will make them poor too while giving you free money. They never say, vote for us and we will help bring you out of poverty with better learning centers. Poor people are the easiest to use for political agendas and division so they can be used to make everyone else feel bad, and therefore lower their standards rather than build the poor communities up.
This doesn't take into consideration the "individual" and the "individuals" decision making that got them into the place they are in. These are just generalities that I've seen with regards to this issue. Many minorities who actually take school seriously, want to work and not join gangs, and don't listen to the divisional agendas, actually do quite well in society. Again it's generally their own holding them back with negative mentalities and thinking that they are behind in life due to "muh racism".
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 07:11:30 AM
Gina just look up why the 710 stopped at valley Blvd and not to the 210 as planned. what's the difference between the south section and the never completed northern section.
semp
I did look it up. There are several reasons but a big reason is that a small group of people that live in an historic town fought this for 60 years and finally won. That's why. They put a Herculean effort into stopping the freeway from coming through their town and wiping it out. It took 60 years
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Eagler on July 27, 2022, 07:46:02 AM
Burning down their businesses every time they "protest" something doesn't bode well for future investments in business in those locations...
Eagler
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: perdue3 on July 27, 2022, 08:31:18 AM
Shew, what an enormous waste of my time. TheBug was right.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Eagler on July 27, 2022, 08:36:07 AM
Shew, what an enormous waste of my time. TheBug was right.
Sorry if facts get in the way of your narrative
Eagler
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Shuffler on July 27, 2022, 08:52:05 AM
It is unfortunate that some people and some places, like Oregon, believe people of color are not as smart as other folks. Anyone anywhere can apply themselves and be successful. Generally the only thing holding them back is their own mindset.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 09:07:40 AM
I didn't mean for this to get into a discussion about the supposed traits of any racial group.
My point is strictly that the media loves to tie in things like climate change to race. The constant racial divisions that are made up and constantly droned into everyone.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: MiloMorai on July 27, 2022, 09:13:00 AM
I didn't mean for this to get into a discussion about the supposed traits of any racial group.
My point is strictly that the media loves to tie in things like climate change to race. The constant racial divisions that are made up and constantly droned into everyone.
So CRT should be taught then???
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 09:17:38 AM
I didn't mean for this to get into a discussion about the supposed traits of any racial group.
My point is strictly that the media loves to tie in things like climate change to race. The constant racial divisions that are made up and constantly droned into everyone.
It is traits of some people.... not related to color or position in society. There are lazy people all over and they will use any excuse and blame everyone else.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 09:22:14 AM
you know what I think should be taught?
That God created all of us equal and in his image. People need to be taught to be colorblind, not the other way around. That's what I think.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: MiloMorai on July 27, 2022, 09:33:44 AM
That God created all of us equal and in his image. People need to be taught to be colorblind, not the other way around. That's what I think.
So I look like God.
As God is male then woman aren't God.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Shuffler on July 27, 2022, 09:35:52 AM
I have seen suggestions to turn your thermostats up to 78. What do yall think of this.
In our shop we have always kept them at 78 as our main goal is to lower humidity. We have four 20 ton Tranes on the shop. Helps keep the machining, fabrication, and welding area tolerable. At home I keep it on 72. Our 2 dogs stay inside during the heat of the day.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 27, 2022, 09:37:43 AM
Just look at all of these areas where "systemic racism" is supposedly happening and generally the leadership of that area has been controlled by the same people for decades, many of them today are controlled by "people of color" who use their own people as pawns for their agenda. When are people going to learn.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 09:43:24 AM
I have seen suggestions to turn your thermostats up to 78. What do yall think of this.
In our shop we have always kept them at 78 as our main goal is to lower humidity. We have four 20 ton Tranes on the shop. Helps keep the machining, fabrication, and welding area tolerable. At home I keep it on 72. Our 2 dogs stay inside during the heat of the day.
Humidity is a major factor in being totally uncomfortable. It's usually not that hot where I live here in Southern California but it gets very humid. Like if it's 85° outside and 60 70% humidity it feels miserable to me.
My new mini split air conditioner does it really good job of keeping the humidity lower in my place. I keep it at 75° for now and it just does a great job. Since my place is very limited in where I could install the air handler, I had to install it in a less than ideal location as far as airflow goes, but that thing still cools everything down.
As far as suggesting that people keep their thermostats at 78 degrees? I think that everybody will be different and that they can decide on their own what makes them feel comfortable and what they can afford. I don't think people are so stupid that they need to be told that when they keep their thermostats lower it cost them more money and uses more energy. Lol
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Eagler on July 27, 2022, 09:44:19 AM
A/c gets cranked down to 70 nightly to minimize the wifes night sweats..
It will take the marines to pull that thermostat out of her grasp lol
Eagler
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Arlo on July 27, 2022, 09:44:28 AM
Just look at all of these areas where "systemic racism" is supposedly happening and generally the leadership of that area has been controlled by the same people for decades, many of them today are controlled by "people of color" who use their own people as pawns for their agenda. When are people going to learn.
Rather asinine post.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 09:53:52 AM
A/c gets cranked down to 70 nightly to minimize the wifes night sweats..
It will take the marines to pull that thermostat out of her grasp lol
Eagler
I get night sweats and hot flashes as well. That's not fun at all.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Shuffler on July 27, 2022, 09:55:09 AM
One of my secretaries keeps her apartment at 65. Her husband freezes.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 09:59:07 AM
And they say women are usually ones that are cold. Lol!
The hot flashes caused by menopause can last many years. You feel like you're burning up, but then when you wake up with sweat all over your neck and chest you are freezing. It's not good for sleep or anything else. Lol
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: MiloMorai on July 27, 2022, 09:59:58 AM
The best bedroom temperature for sleep is approximately 65 degrees Fahrenheit (18.3 degrees Celsius). This may vary by a few degrees from person to person, but most doctors recommend keeping the thermostat set between 60 to 67 degrees Fahrenheit (15.6 to 19.4 degrees Celsius) for the most comfortable sleep.
Our bodies are programmed to experience a slight dip in core temperature in the evening. Turning the thermostat down at night may help with temperature regulation and signal your body that it’s time for bed.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: perdue3 on July 27, 2022, 10:04:06 AM
My point is strictly that the media loves to tie in things like climate change to race. The constant racial divisions that are made up and constantly droned into everyone.
Dude, what do you not get? I and the article have already explained how the two are related. It is not a direct link but a byproduct. It has to do with low-income housing and the nature of power companies. Ask yourself, how can a $20k income family spend more in power per month than an $80k income family? When you get your answer, you should arrive at the link between systemic racism in our country's past and global warming. If you do, then you can decide if you agree or disagree with the link. The facts are indisputable, but there is a socioeconomic theory in there that you'd have to subscribe to. If you don't, I can't help you any more. You just simply do not have enough background knowledge or lack the ability to think critically to have this conversation.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: perdue3 on July 27, 2022, 10:05:13 AM
Actually, the facts I have laid out in this conversation are either being ignored or not understood to fit gg's narrative of "everything is about race and it is bad."
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 10:08:23 AM
I never said but everything was about race. That article sure is though. in a ridiculous matter.
Have acknowledged your points.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: AKIron on July 27, 2022, 10:12:13 AM
I grew up in Texas without air conditioning. I was outside almost all of the time in the summer. It was hot. You'll get my a/c when you pry it from my COLD dead fingers.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: perdue3 on July 27, 2022, 10:15:30 AM
It is like historical causality. If you subscribe to a certain methodology, you'd agree that the fall of Constantinople indirectly led to Age of Exploration. If I wrote a thesis that said "The Fall of Constantinople led to the American colonies being founded;" if you read that and took it at face value, as you have done with the A/C racism article, you'd say that's ridiculous. But, there is a link and the facts in that chain are indisputable, I am just arguing that because the Ottomans dominated trade in Arabia and Europe, European nations needed a new route around the Ottomans to trade via. That began the search for the Northwest passage and the opening of African, Indian, and Pacific markets. All because the Ottoman Empire was dominant in Eurasia.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 10:15:33 AM
I grew up in Texas without air conditioning. I was outside almost all of the time in the summer. It was hot. You'll get my a/c when you pry it from my COLD dead fingers.
Hi, iron!
How have you been? You should come join ICOM.
I worked outside for many years in Arizona. It was brutal and I dreded the onset of summer every year
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 27, 2022, 10:50:10 AM
Dude, what do you not get? I and the article have already explained how the two are related. It is not a direct link but a byproduct. It has to do with low-income housing and the nature of power companies. Ask yourself, how can a $20k income family spend more in power per month than an $80k income family? When you get your answer, you should arrive at the link between systemic racism in our country's past and global warming. If you do, then you can decide if you agree or disagree with the link. The facts are indisputable, but there is a socioeconomic theory in there that you'd have to subscribe to. If you don't, I can't help you any more. You just simply do not have enough background knowledge or lack the ability to think critically to have this conversation.
The real question is why are they only making 20k a year in 2022 in the land of opportunity? It's their own culture and leadership keeping them down. Not racism or climate change. Those are both excuses to cover up for a poorly guided culture that cannot escape from their past and push toward a greater future. They just want to bring the rest of us down to their level. Black culture in France, Germany, Canada, and Britain for example, are much more successful because their mentality and culture are geared towards success rather than gangs, drugs, being rappers, and being held down by the past as an excuse to why they aren't successful today.
It's very important to read from Thomas Sowell and Herman Cain about this. They truely understand this situation. They became very successful. They didn't believe that anyone was holding them back.
One of my favorite quotes
"Argue for you limitations and sure enough they are yours."
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: MiloMorai on July 27, 2022, 11:00:22 AM
The Tulsa race massacre took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents, some of whom had been deputized and given weapons by city officials, attacked black residents and destroyed homes and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 11:10:33 AM
Dude, what do you not get? I and the article have already explained how the two are related. It is not a direct link but a byproduct. It has to do with low-income housing and the nature of power companies. Ask yourself, how can a $20k income family spend more in power per month than an $80k income family? When you get your answer, you should arrive at the link between systemic racism in our country's past and global warming. If you do, then you can decide if you agree or disagree with the link. The facts are indisputable, but there is a socioeconomic theory in there that you'd have to subscribe to. If you don't, I can't help you any more. You just simply do not have enough background knowledge or lack the ability to think critically to have this conversation.
What do you not get? I acknowledge what you said and even gave an example of myself paying more for air conditioning than somebody who could afford a better air conditioner or more insulation or whatever.
The article is ridiculous no matter what you say. We can disagree and that's that we don't need to discuss it any further. But the line in the article that says that air conditioning divides us by race and status is complete BS. That'd be like saying car tires divide us all by race and status. They do not.
And you are missing that the point of the article is to demonize air conditioning and make it a racial issue.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 11:13:20 AM
Also, I don't appreciate being called dude. I'm sure that was meant to be a slight. Not an accident. But whatever. Just like the forum busybody calling me and Milo calling me an 'it".
You know if we are talking about minorities I'm probably in one of the very smallest minorities that there is. I also have family members that are black they are no different than me, well actually most of them are higher status than me. They make more money and are better off than me.
If you want to be one of these people that thinks racism is integrated into every little thing, including air conditioning, then that's your business. I think it's totally ridiculous. They article is ridiculous no matter what you're saying.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: AKIron on July 27, 2022, 11:16:31 AM
Stayin' cool gg. The heat in southern Idaho is a lot more tolerable than places with higher humidity. Maybe I'll drop by ICOM, thanks.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 11:18:15 AM
And you are missing that the point of the article is to demonize air conditioning and make it a racial issue.
No, you are missing the point of the article. It is demonizing inequality as it pertains to utilities. But, I am done explaining. I appreciate the acknowledgement. It is your opinion that the article is ridiculous. Fair enough. Bowing out of this thread.
Sorry for saying dude, it was not a slight. In the same way I say "Dude!" after spilling coffee on the floor. The Millennial equivalent of "Bruh."
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 12:03:27 PM
Okay, I'm sorry about that. Thank you for explaining. I don't mean to be sensitive about that either.
My original point was that instead of using race as the divide they should have just used poverty or money because that's more accurate. When they slant the article as air conditioning dividing us by race, that is not true.
I don't like all of the race baiting and this article to me was that.
Like when they say climate change affects minorities more than other people that gets under my skin. You should just say it affects impoverished people if that's what they're thinking. There are lots of impoverished people of all races everywhere around the world.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 27, 2022, 12:17:25 PM
The Tulsa race massacre took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents, some of whom had been deputized and given weapons by city officials, attacked black residents and destroyed homes and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Crazy thing is about 36 people died total however many were left homeless and injured. Definitely a terrible thing. What's even more crazy is that there were 800 homicides in Chicago last year and about 75% of them were black people murdered by other black people. 1,000 homicides the year before. So we are clearly looking at a cultural issue in 2022, not a racist one that you seen 100 years ago.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: perdue3 on July 27, 2022, 12:19:11 PM
Okay, I'm sorry about that. Thank you for explaining. I don't mean to be sensitive about that either.
Had I known you were sensitive, I'd have been much more careful. My sincerest apologies, again.
Fair point on impoverished people versus minorities. That is where the article author becomes biased and loses a little credibility in terms of objectivity. Having said that, 40% of African-Americans have a family household income of less than $35k and 30% of Hispanics have a family household income less than $35k. So, the author took liberties, as aforementioned in the thread, but was not far off although it does create bias. This generalization is dangerous for it creates rhetoric and both sides are guilty of this. That is venturing into politics, so I will stop there.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Tig on July 27, 2022, 12:31:59 PM
Dude, what do you not get? I and the article have already explained how the two are related. It is not a direct link but a byproduct. It has to do with low-income housing and the nature of power companies. Ask yourself, how can a $20k income family spend more in power per month than an $80k income family? When you get your answer, you should arrive at the link between systemic racism in our country's past and global warming. If you do, then you can decide if you agree or disagree with the link. The facts are indisputable, but there is a socioeconomic theory in there that you'd have to subscribe to. If you don't, I can't help you any more. You just simply do not have enough background knowledge or lack the ability to think critically to have this conversation.
Ad hominem and bandwagon reasoning. Nothing personal, but I do not listen to arguments that use that. There is no theory that anyone "has to" subscribe to. Different people can draw vastly different conclusions from the same thing. Nothing is "indisputable" Everyone is perfectly within their rights to have their own ideas and reasoning. Superimposing viewpoints does not help anyone.
Nothing personal, perdue3, but you could have approached that a lot better lol.
Maybe instead of arguing over how racism and global warming are affecting people, maybe focus on helping people make smart financial and life decisions, and get their voter cards to make educated votes. :aok
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: perdue3 on July 27, 2022, 12:39:39 PM
Ad hominem and bandwagon reasoning. Nothing personal, but I do not listen to arguments that use that. There is no theory that anyone "has to" subscribe to. Different people can draw vastly different conclusions from the same thing. Nothing is "indisputable" Everyone is perfectly within their rights to have their own ideas and reasoning. Superimposing viewpoints does not help anyone.
Nothing personal, perdue3, but you could have approached that a lot better lol.
Maybe instead of arguing over how racism and global warming are affecting people, maybe focus on helping people make smart financial and life decisions, and get their voter cards to make educated votes. :aok
I agree that I may have showed frustration there, but it was not intended as ad hominem. Many things are indisputable, these are facts. Pearl Harbor was attacked on December 7, 1941. Water molecule is made up of 3 atoms. And many, many more. No one has to subscribe to any specific theory, a reason why it is a theory. Where people get confused is the difference between fact and theory. Believing theory is fine, not believing fact is not fine. I never claimed that global warming directly affects one race more than the other, I only tried to connect the dots between that claim in the article. GG's last post ends the discussion. The author should have used impoverished people instead of minorities, even though minorities make up a huge portion of the impoverished population.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Tig on July 27, 2022, 12:41:52 PM
I agree that I may have showed frustration there, but it was not intended as ad hominem. Many things are indisputable, these are facts. Pearl Harbor was attacked on December 7, 1941. Water molecule is made up of 3 atoms. And many, many more. No one has to subscribe to any specific theory, a reason why it is a theory. Where people get confused is the difference between fact and theory. Believing theory is fine, not believing fact is not fine. I never claimed that global warming directly affects one race more than the other, I only tried to connect the dots between that claim in the article. GG's last post ends the discussion. The author should have used impoverished people instead of minorities, even though minorities make up a huge portion of the impoverished population.
:aok Cool beans, no hard feelings. :cheers:
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: guncrasher on July 27, 2022, 01:58:28 PM
. Black culture in France, Germany, Canada, and Britain for example, are much more successful because their mentality and culture are geared towards success rather than gangs, drugs, being rappers, and being held down by the past as an excuse to why they aren't successful today.
assuming that all blacks in the usa make below 20k, do drugs and want to be rappers is one gigantic racist statement. actually your whole post is. you make assumptions that well aren't true.
notice I said you made one racist statement not that you were racist, which I believe you are not.
semp
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Arlo on July 27, 2022, 02:02:15 PM
Dontcha know, Semp that systemic racism is always the fault of its victims? :noid
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: MiloMorai on July 27, 2022, 02:32:35 PM
Crazy thing is about 36 people died total however many were left homeless and injured. Definitely a terrible thing. What's even more crazy is that there were 800 homicides in Chicago last year and about 75% of them were black people murdered by other black people. 1,000 homicides the year before. So we are clearly looking at a cultural issue in 2022, not a racist one that you seen 100 years ago.
That is what happens when ppl are forced into ghettos.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: -gg- on July 27, 2022, 02:41:45 PM
Thanks again, Purdue. No hard feelings here either.
😊
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: FLS on July 27, 2022, 02:45:34 PM
assuming that all blacks in the usa make below 20k, do drugs and want to be rappers is one gigantic racist statement. actually your whole post is. you make assumptions that well aren't true.
notice I said you made one racist statement not that you were racist, which I believe you are not.
semp
No, it's comparing different cultues of black people between America and Europe. Critiquing culture is not being racist. It's like comparing the difference between white liberals and white Conservatives or white american culture to white European culture. Obviously they are not the same. Speaking in generalities though.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Arlo on July 27, 2022, 03:53:28 PM
No, it's comparing different cultues of black people between America and Europe. Critiquing culture is not being racist. It's like comparing the difference between white liberals and white Conservatives or white american culture to white European culture. Obviously they are not the same. Speaking in generalities though.
no when you imply that blacks in America they just want to drink colt45s do drugs be uneducated and blaming the man for it. that is so wrong and untrue. you don't see it as wrong because you have been told that over and over you believe it as fact. but it's little things like that that when you hear a lot it makes you believe damn people thought we were past that.
it's little comments like that makes people believe in institusialized racism. while not being racist, you sometimes make a racist comment and Idon't mean you. you don't believe it is but it actually is.
I hear that alot. cool people that always say something stupid then turn to me and say, you know me, I get along with everyone. and I have to explain no you aren't racist but you did make a racist comment and they believe they're not wrong.
which you are about to do and come with some nonsense like we'll now I'll have to watch what I say because some people get offended while the only one that is getting offended is you.
btw most white kids listen to rap. it's not just a black music. actually no matter which race most listen to it.
semp
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: AKIron on July 27, 2022, 04:49:05 PM
Talking about or comparing cultures is not racist.
Actually, it very much can be. I'd ask you to look back through your posts with a critical eye but I suspect you wouldn't see it (even if I took great pains to point it out to you).
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 27, 2022, 05:31:06 PM
I'd ask you to study to the statistical analysis of black on black crime in major cities but I'd suspect you'd still have some kind of excuse as to how its the white man's fault, which is actually the racist connotation that GG is referring to.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: guncrasher on July 27, 2022, 05:48:54 PM
I'd ask you to study to the statistical analysis of black on black crime in major cities but I'd suspect you'd still have some kind of excuse as to how its the white man's fault, which is actually the racist connotation that GG is referring to.
nope it would make me question why you aren't interested in white on white crimes.
I would like your answer. but I already know it.
semp
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Arlo on July 27, 2022, 05:50:18 PM
Just look at all of these areas where "systemic racism" is supposedly happening and generally the leadership of that area has been controlled by the same people for decades, many of them today are controlled by "people of color" who use their own people as pawns for their agenda. When are people going to learn.
To paraphrase: 'It's the black people's fault that they are impoverished. It's the black people's fault that they have gang crime. White supremacy has never once played a part.'
Knowing what sources you rely on for your world pov it isn't surprising when you make such claims.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Meatwad on July 27, 2022, 06:14:47 PM
I'd ask you to study to the statistical analysis of black on black crime in major cities but I'd suspect you'd still have some kind of excuse as to how its the white man's fault, which is actually the racist connotation that GG is referring to.
This is how crime is seen by certain groups and organizations
Black on black crime - white mans fault because white man racist Black on white crime - white mans fault because white man racist White on black crime - white mans fault because white man racist, then proceed to loot, murder, burn down, riot everything you see because of "social injustice"
And before someone cries about "this post be racist", doing a search online will prove the above. But you cant say that because "you is racist" for speaking out about other groups getting a free pass on racism
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: TryHard on July 27, 2022, 06:15:25 PM
If white man not evil why he air condition his own house?
turn air conditioner around and cool the world :salute
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Meatwad on July 27, 2022, 06:19:06 PM
To paraphrase: 'It's the black people's fault that they are impoverished. It's the black people's fault that they have gang crime. White supremacy has never once played a part.'
Knowing what sources you rely on for your world pov it isn't surprising when you make such claims.
Yeah, referring to a prominent black educated historian isn't a good source? LOL.
Every race has been enslaved by a group that perceives them to be more dominant or supremacist. No other race uses that as a crutch to justify their failures. If you cannot critique a culture of a specific race murdering their own kind in outrageous #s in a single city, run by a black lesbain woman, than that is part of the problem. Yes, it's their own fault individually because they are the ones individually making those decisions. No white man told them to join Gangs and murder their own people.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 27, 2022, 06:22:09 PM
This is how crime is seen by certain groups and organizations
Black on black crime - white mans fault because white man racist Black on white crime - white mans fault because white man racist White on black crime - white mans fault because white man racist, then proceed to loot, murder, burn down, riot everything you see because of "social injustice"
And before someone cries about "this post be racist", doing a search online will prove the above. But you cant say that because "you is racist" for speaking out about other groups getting a free pass on racism
Exactly!
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Arlo on July 27, 2022, 06:23:40 PM
Yeah, referring to a prominent black educated historian isn't a good source? LOL.
Every race has been enslaved by a group that perceives them to be more dominant or supremacist. No other race uses that as a crutch to justify their failures. If you cannot critique a culture of a specific race murdering their own kind in outrageous #s in a single city, run by a black lesbain woman, than that is part of the problem. Yes, it's their own fault individually because they are the ones individually making those decisions. No white man told them to join Gangs and murder their own people.
Yeah, referring to a prominent black educated historian isn't a good source? LOL.
Every race has been enslaved by a group that perceives them to be more dominant or supremacist. No other race uses that as a crutch to justify their failures. If you cannot critique a culture of a specific race murdering their own kind in outrageous #s in a single city, run by a black lesbain woman, than that is part of the problem. Yes, it's their own fault individually because they are the ones individually making those decisions. No white man told them to join Gangs and murder their own people.
then why not criticize the white race for white on white crime. who's fault is that?
semp
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 27, 2022, 06:46:41 PM
You're the racist. You enjoy Watching black people kill each other and watching them murder their unborn children. Clown.
It's best not to interact with the fool. He likes to accuse people of being racists and extremists and he refers to certain people as "it"
He's not a good person. It's so much better to just ignore him. I know it's tough because he's so abrasive and self righteous and he injects himself into everyone else's business.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Arlo on July 27, 2022, 06:56:58 PM
If it really was merely a matter of 'choice' then we'd all be rich. People don't chose poverty no matter how much you might like to believe that.
Some people do choose poverty by refusing to work hard and earn something better for themselves. Here in America I'm talking about. Of course it gets harder and harder the longer you make the wrong choices. Yes, most living in poverty here chose it.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Arlo on July 27, 2022, 09:10:46 PM
Some people do choose poverty by refusing to work hard and earn something better for themselves. Here in America I'm talking about. Of course it gets harder and harder the longer you make the wrong choices. Yes, most living in poverty here chose it.
False perception, I assure you.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: MiloMorai on July 27, 2022, 09:31:39 PM
Choosing poverty is not the same as wanting to be poor. It means for most living in poverty that while they might want riches, or even more than what they have, they are unwilling to do what is required for it. I'm sure you understand this. Right?
When I say poverty, I mean the official designation for the US. It's an actual income amount and is pretty low. Anyone working full time at McDonalds will exceed the poverty level, even for a family of 4 as the sole earner.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: MiloMorai on July 27, 2022, 11:06:12 PM
According to the latest data from the U.S. Census Bureau — namely, the 2019 American Community Survey, 5-Year Estimates — the U.S. poverty rate nationally is 13.4%. This means that 13.4% of the national population lives below the poverty line. This is equal to more than approximately 42.5 million Americans living below the poverty line.
Mississippi: 20.3% of population lives below the poverty line Louisiana: 19.2% of population lives below the poverty line New Mexico: 19.1% of population lives below the poverty line West Virginia: 17.6% of population lives below the poverty line Kentucky: 17.3% of population lives below the poverty line Arkansas: 17.0% of population lives below the poverty line Alabama: 16.7% of population lives below the poverty line Oklahoma: 15.7% of population lives below the poverty line Tennessee: 15.2% of population lives below the poverty line South Carolina: 15.2% of population lives below the poverty line
Choosing poverty is not the same as wanting to be poor. It means for most living in poverty that while they might want riches, or even more than what they have, they are unwilling to do what is required for it. I'm sure you understand this. Right?
When I say poverty, I mean the official designation for the US. It's an actual income amount and is pretty low. Anyone working full time at McDonalds will exceed the poverty level, even for a family of 4 as the sole earner.
But you're also making the assumption that riches is actually accomplishable by everyone (not just anyone) and that everyone has that opportunity available, which is not reality in the remotest way. You're making a class distinction in a political way with such a claim and painting everyone struggling as lazy ... by choice.
Title: Re: Air conditioning is now evil
Post by: Arlo on July 28, 2022, 07:18:30 AM
Now add in all the assistance they get and you'll find they aren't so poor.
Receive or that you perceive? Someone on this forum told a story about their neighbor taking vacations to Hawaii and Europe on assistance. The tale seemed a bit tall.