The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.
When we talk about climate change, we talk about changes in long-term averages of daily weather. Today, children always hear stories from their parents and grandparents about how snow was always piled up to their waists as they trudged off to school. Children today in most areas of the country haven't experienced those kinds of dreadful snow-packed winters, except for the Northeastern U.S. in January 2005. The change in recent winter snows indicate that the climate has changed since their parents were young.
If summers seem hotter lately, then the recent climate may have changed. In various parts of the world, some people have even noticed that springtime comes earlier now than it did 30 years ago. An earlier springtime is indicative of a possible change in the climate.
In addition to long-term climate change, there are shorter term climate variations. This so-called climate variability can be represented by periodic or intermittent changes related to El Niño, La Niña, volcanic eruptions, or other changes in the Earth system.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Eagler on August 04, 2022, 07:04:45 AM
The issue is to what extent human behavior affects said climate change and what is just noise..
Pretty sure the last 100's of billions of inflationary fiat printed $$$ will do nothing to change anything..
It's all just the latest bogeyman we can fight against/ fight against each other about and piss away money on while the top crooks get richer imo
Eagler
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: zack1234 on August 04, 2022, 07:34:45 AM
The fact that temperatures dropped in the 14th century is not addressed.
The fact it is me and you have to change while the elites don’t is not addressed
The fact that non white people are to sacrifice their futures is not addressed
These Climate radicals are not willing to sacrifice their lifestyles only the lifestyles of others.
Gated, bezo and Zuckerberg have a carbon footprint that is larger than you peasants
If your into climate change it is because your a self righteous bigot who has no country, religion or a grasp off reality
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: FLS on August 04, 2022, 09:36:58 AM
Climate is always changing. As I've mentioned before, we are in an inter-glacial warm period of climate change. The climate change issue is a debunked attack on the oil industry.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 04, 2022, 09:45:05 AM
The fact that temperatures dropped in the 14th century is not addressed.
The fact it is me and you have to change while the elites don’t is not addressed
The fact that non white people are to sacrifice their futures is not addressed
These Climate radicals are not willing to sacrifice their lifestyles only the lifestyles of others.
Gated, bezo and Zuckerberg have a carbon footprint that is larger than you peasants
If your into climate change it is because your a self righteous bigot who has no country, religion or a grasp off reality
Yep!
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 04, 2022, 10:05:50 AM
Another lie that is perpetuated is that weather is getting worse and that hurricanes are getting stronger and more prevalent..
It's all a bunch of malarkey. Hurricanes are not worse than they were before and they're not more frequent.
Droughts are not more frequent.
In fact, we should count our blessings. More people are alive today than ever in the history of the world. And that has to do with a warmer climate where we can grow food in a lot of places. The real danger is when the climate starts to cool, and it surely will start to cool one day.
Somebody posted about hurricanes being more destructive. That's an example of disingenuous spouting of information in order to make people think that hurricanes are worse. In reality there are a lot more people in the areas where hurricanes strike and there are a lot more infrastructure and buildings and homes than there ever were. That's why there might be more damage sometimes. It also matters where a hurricane hits.
But there are less deaths from hurricanes now than there were in the past. Even though there are more people.
There are also less hurricanes now than there have been since 1900s.
Climate alarmists are ignorant of basic history that anybody can look up. They want to buy into the whole alarmist thing for some reason. I don't get it at all. The world is not ending and the climate is not a problem. It will be a problem when everything freezes over.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: zack1234 on August 04, 2022, 10:09:59 AM
Hurricanes with tank destroying cannon rounds are very good :old:
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: MiloMorai on August 04, 2022, 11:32:05 AM
Modern records reveal an unnatural global warming trend taking hold of Earth's climate in recent decades. By burning fossil fuels, humans are sending heat-trapping carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere that are raising global temperatures.
And the dino-killing asteroid hitting Earth at the end of the Cretaceous period (145 million to 66 million years ago) plunged parts of the sky into cold darkness for years under dense clouds of ash and particles; then, Earth's temperatures spiked for 100,000 years, due to the colossal amount of carbon dioxide the asteroid kicked up when it smashed into the Yucatán Peninsula; a massive asteroid strike is still technically a natural event, albeit a sad one for the dinosaurs.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Chalenge on August 04, 2022, 11:44:05 AM
Earth's temperatures spiked for 100,000 years, due to the colossal amount of carbon dioxide the asteroid kicked up when it smashed into the Yucatán Peninsula;
Hogwash! I suppose there was a cache of pure carbon dioxide just sitting there waiting to be hit? Specious nonsense!
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 04, 2022, 11:50:11 AM
And let's not forget that even though the climate is warming, we are benefiting from that. There is nothing bad that is happening.
These climate alarmists that want us to believe that bad things are happening because of the climate have nothing. There are no bad things happening because of the climate getting warmer. There are more benefits than negatives for the climate being as warm as it is now.
Any evidence these people try to point to that say things are getting worse and that people are going to be flooded out of their coastal homes or any of that was just pure nonsense.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: rabbidrabbit on August 04, 2022, 11:52:42 AM
Hurricanes with tank destroying cannon rounds are very good :old:
Not nearly as dangerous as tornados with sharks in them. I saw the documentary and am still scared.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: MiloMorai on August 04, 2022, 12:29:19 PM
It is so sad that there are people that are so one dimensional in their thought process.
Experimental data and climate models suggest this warming will affect weather in a variety of ways, making it hotter and colder, more extreme, more chaotic and in a word, "worse." For example, as the world gets warmer, more water evaporates from the surface of dry areas and increases precipitation in wet areas, according to Weart. In other words, dry areas get drier and wet areas get wetter. More moisture in the atmosphere in a warming planet can also lead to heavier snowfall during the winter.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: FLS on August 04, 2022, 12:41:23 PM
Models are no reason to throw away prosperity.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: morfiend on August 04, 2022, 12:43:14 PM
The asteroid caused a large plankton die off which regulates the amount of Co2 thus there was an increase in Co2 in the atmosphere.
Much like the melting of the permafrost is release large amounts of methane that it had trapped,which is another greenhouse gas.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: MiloMorai on August 04, 2022, 12:51:43 PM
And yet everything is fine. The world never ended.
It ended for the dinos.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 04, 2022, 02:16:31 PM
But the Earth was fine! Life on Earth was fine and it went on. Just like we are fine and nothing's going to happen to us because the climate is getting warmer. It's all a bunch of roadkill.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 04, 2022, 02:44:25 PM
I will also note that scientist s tell us that the nuclear winter is what killed the dinosaurs, not warming climate.
So other than a civilization killing asteroid hitting the earth, nothing bad is happening and we're going to be fine.
We are blessed with a warm climate that allows us to grow enough food and to thrive.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: thndregg on August 04, 2022, 02:53:06 PM
Dad was a geologist with over 30 years experience in the field. As I heard from him many times, climate is cyclical. There's plenty of evidence in ice and earth to prove this.
This also brought to mind George Carlin's take on climate change. I miss that guy.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 04, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
Dad was a geologist with over 30 years experience in the field. As I heard from him many times, climate is cyclical. There's plenty of evidence in ice and earth to prove this.
This also brought to mind George Carlin's take on climate change. I miss that guy.
LOL.
He brings up another great point. These goofballs continually tell us that such and such animal going extinct is going to be horrible and affect the whole food chain. And it never happens. Major animals and minor animals go extinct all the time and life continues to go on. Things adapt. Nothing bad ever happens.
Really you would have to be a complete idiot to not understand that climate is cyclical. You'd also have to be a complete idiot to see that nothing bad is happening because we're in a warmer climate and that it's actually a good thing.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: FLS on August 04, 2022, 03:05:42 PM
Ha ha. I mean a trendy computer model is no reason to flush civilization down the toilet.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 04, 2022, 04:14:16 PM
Climate is created due to where the earth is located around the sun and mainly its distance from the sun. Weather is seasonal patterns due to the earths position to the sun given winter or summer and inbetween. Climate and weather are both relative area specific due to the earths sphere shape. The earth doesn't ever drift too far or too close to the sun while it's spinning and orbiting. Therefore climates remain stable in their area.Then you have the coriolis effect at the equator from the earth spinning which causes wind patterns. Wind patterns effect the weather with high and low pressure. Seasonality effects the weather. Weather is very variable but stays within a range given its climate due to precipitation patterns caused by moisture in the atmosphere. Heat effects pressure and during low pressure it rains. In areas that are arid, their is little moisture in the atmosphere. Weather has a lot to do with elevation and location from the equator along with how far that is from the ocean and large lakes/seas mostly. The only thing that would actually increase the earths relative temperature is it's distance to the sun on its orbit which sways variably back and forth.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: guncrasher on August 04, 2022, 04:51:50 PM
I will also note that scientist s tell us that the nuclear winter is what killed the dinosaurs, not warming climate.
So other than a civilization killing asteroid hitting the earth, nothing bad is happening and we're going to be fine.
We are blessed with a warm climate that allows us to grow enough food and to thrive.
so then why argue against lowering emissions, if it causes recession or not it doesn't matter. we have gone thru recessions and it didn't kill us, we are fine.
semp
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: FLS on August 04, 2022, 05:18:10 PM
Climate is created due to where the earth is located around the sun and mainly its distance from the sun. Weather is seasonal patterns due to the earths position to the sun given winter or summer and inbetween. Climate and weather are both relative area specific due to the earths sphere shape. The earth doesn't ever drift too far or too close to the sun while it's spinning and orbiting. Therefore climates remain stable in their area.Then you have the coriolis effect at the equator from the earth spinning which causes wind patterns. Wind patterns effect the weather with high and low pressure. Seasonality effects the weather. Weather is very variable but stays within a range given its climate due to precipitation patterns caused by moisture in the atmosphere. Heat effects pressure and during low pressure it rains. In areas that are arid, their is little moisture in the atmosphere. Weather has a lot to do with elevation and location from the equator along with how far that is from the ocean and large lakes/seas mostly. The only thing that would actually increase the earths relative temperature is it's distance to the sun on its orbit which sways variably back and forth.
There is also variance in the seasonal axial tilt and minor gravity effects from other planets.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Meatwad on August 04, 2022, 06:17:20 PM
The real reasons the dinos died was they were farting too much and created co2, that made the earth too hot and then they died. It was so hot that they decomposed and turned into oil, then when the earth cooled the humans took over and said far out
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: zack1234 on August 04, 2022, 11:56:33 PM
So which humans need to be destroyed :(them?
You environmental zealots decided yet who needs to be despatched?
You and yours or others?
Bend the knee and put your mask on that’s your badge of honour.
Who will save my monkey :(
The Peasants will soon stop this nonsense when they realise they are not part of the saved righteous class.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 05, 2022, 07:54:43 AM
You environmental zealots decided yet who needs to be despatched?
You and yours or others?
Bend the knee and put your mask on that’s your badge of honour.
Who will save my monkey :(
The Peasants will soon stop this nonsense when they realise they are not part of the saved righteous class.
You'd think so, but the peasants never do stop. That's one reason why they are referred to as useful idiots. They push the agendas that are detrimental to themselves - and they're proud to do it. They think that normal people just don't get it. That we are stupid and don't know what's best for everyone. They can't stay out of other people's lives and they can't stop pushing this nonsense on us.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: sparky127 on August 05, 2022, 11:56:20 AM
The answer to this question is very simple: If it suits the climate change zealots, it's climate. If it doesn't, it's weather.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: morfiend on August 05, 2022, 12:01:38 PM
And yet everything is fine. The world never ended.
Yup I think we should let Darwin sort them out. I suppose you’d have been fine living in the nice warm climate we had when the Dino’s roamed…might have been difficult to breathe but hey the O2 content was twice what it is today so by that logic you’d only need one lung……
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Chalenge on August 05, 2022, 12:12:31 PM
Yup I think we should let Darwin sort them out. I suppose you’d have been fine living in the nice warm climate we had when the Dino’s roamed…might have been difficult to breathe but hey the O2 content was twice what it is today so by that logic you’d only need one lung……
Twice the co2 and life was abundant. No problems at all.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: guncrasher on August 05, 2022, 01:53:05 PM
Yup I think we should let Darwin sort them out. I suppose you’d have been fine living in the nice warm climate we had when the Dino’s roamed…might have been difficult to breathe but hey the O2 content was twice what it is today so by that logic you’d only need one lung……
I don't think anything our corrupt political leaders say or do will change anything about our climate and weather
As any changes would be microscope if measurable at all..its the perfect boogeyman to waste money on while enriching themselves and their buddies and enabling further control of our lifestyles
Eagler
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: knorB on August 05, 2022, 02:40:44 PM
Twice the co2 and life was abundant. No problems at all.
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No twice the oxygen levels,if I would have meant Co2 I would have written it.
As for life being abundant,well yes but there were very few mammals,mostly Dino’s and insects on land with plenty of fish in the sea….
Personally I doubt it,meaning climate change/weather will have any effect on me but that doesn’t stop me from worrying about the world we’ll leave behind for my grandson and his children.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Eagler on August 05, 2022, 03:29:45 PM
I don't think anything our corrupt political leaders say or do will change anything about our climate and weather
As any changes would be microscope if measurable at all..its the perfect boogeyman to waste money on while enriching themselves and their buddies and enabling further control of our lifestyles
Eagler
Well in my short life time I’ve seen the results of some change. In the 60’s if you went to any major city you could literally watch you tshirt get stained form the pollution,then we enacted smog controls on cars and after a few years it stopped. People complained,car makers complained,etc. but it made a difference.
Stopped at a car meet last weekend to check out a few rare cars,almost everyone of them when started all you could smell was gas fumes…… cool cars though.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 05, 2022, 04:07:48 PM
Well in my short life time I’ve seen the results of some change. In the 60’s if you went to any major city you could literally watch you tshirt get stained form the pollution,then we enacted smog controls on cars and after a few years it stopped. People complained,car makers complained,etc. but it made a difference.
Stopped at a car meet last weekend to check out a few rare cars,almost everyone of them when started all you could smell was gas fumes…… cool cars though.
what does that have to do with climate change and weather?
I don't know anybody who doesn't want a clean environment and healthy air.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: guncrasher on August 05, 2022, 04:11:06 PM
And in the face of the fertilizer shortage, Canada is severely restricting it's use. Can't have the nitrogen creating greenhouse gases.
Farmers will go broke and out of business, they'll grow less food and Canada will bring in the cricket-past. All will be wonderful.
if there's a shortage of fertilizer shouldn't that by itself be a restriction? now if Canada decides to eat crickets, how does that affect my steak? we got plenty of beef now that Texas are selling their cows because of no water.
this is so ridiculous on so many levels. Canada selling soylent green will affect my porterhouse as much as Cambodia eating bugs. you know what's affecting my steak, it's the dam drought, you choose to ignore. on the other hand no water no reason to use fertilizer.
we should invade Canada.
semp
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 05, 2022, 08:26:55 PM
if there's a shortage of fertilizer shouldn't that by itself be a restriction? now if Canada decides to eat crickets, how does that affect my steak? we got plenty of beef now that Texas are selling their cows because of no water.
this is so ridiculous on so many levels. Canada selling soylent green will affect my porterhouse as much as Cambodia eating bugs. you know what's affecting my steak, it's the dam drought, you choose to ignore. on the other hand no water no reason to use fertilizer.
we should invade Canada.
semp
Not sure what you're getting at. Canada is going to effectively cripple their agriculture with their nitrogen controls. They are insane. Try reading about it and get back. Farmers will lose billions, they will have to drastically cut production. Insanity. All in the name of climate change. These are the same ideas that crippled other countries who did the same exact thing. Of course, you could look it up if you cared.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: guncrasher on August 05, 2022, 08:41:53 PM
Not sure what you're getting at. Canada is going to effectively cripple their agriculture with their nitrogen controls. They are insane. Try reading about it and get back. Farmers will lose billions, they will have to drastically cut production. Insanity. All in the name of climate change. These are the same ideas that crippled other countries who did the same exact thing. Of course, you could look it up if you cared.
in Saudi Arabia people have to act a certain way, in India lots of people don't eat cows.
how do other countries affect how I eat my steak. will they come and take it like for the last 40 years they have been coming to take my guns?
semp
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: RotBaron on August 05, 2022, 08:54:19 PM
Where did she say it’s going to effect YOUR steaks?
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: guncrasher on August 05, 2022, 09:00:36 PM
previous posts, that's why she keeps talking about it. her idea is we will move to eating crickets.
semp
semp
Ok I see 2 posts ago the cricket paste, but it seems like she was suggesting Canada would go there first. Most Americans don’t eat lengua or much of the other stuff I used to box up in the offal room, yet our neighbors do…
When Greta and AOC start eating bugs I’ll be very interested to see the climate alarmists also follow suit, really think anything remotely close will happen?
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: FLS on August 05, 2022, 09:21:20 PM
Eating bug protein is part of the World Economic Forum push to cut beef consumption. They like to make plans for the little people, for their own good.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: guncrasher on August 05, 2022, 09:29:58 PM
Eating bug protein is part of the World Economic Forum push to cut beef consumption. They like to make plans for the little people, for their own good.
you mean the bugs that people have been eating for thousands of years? are they also pushing for armadillo and possum which I ate in texas and Louisiana years ago?
perhaps tlacuache tacos which are so good. or any other fungus and insects that we have been eating for thousands of years.
dam wefies are pushing stuff that taste so good. guess you never had gelatin that's nasty.
semp
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 05, 2022, 09:31:42 PM
I was talking about Canada, but that crap is coming our way.
There's nothing these climate retards won't do in the name of climate change. And the useful idiots are either blind to it all or they even actually support it.
The kings will still have everything they want and us peasants will be eating bugs in our non-airconditioned living cubicle next to the train station.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: guncrasher on August 05, 2022, 09:45:18 PM
I was talking about Canada, but that crap is coming our way.
There's nothing these climate retards won't do in the name of climate change. And the useful idiots are either blind to it all or they even actually support it.
The kings will still have everything they want and us peasants will be eating bugs in our non-airconditioned living cubicle next to the train station.
news flash that crap has been here for hundreds of years.
semp
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 05, 2022, 09:53:24 PM
You don't get it. I'm making a joke about the crickets but it's pretty accurate as an analogy.
In Canada they are severely restricting nitrogen output at farms. The farms will have to cut operations drastically to meet the guidelines. A lot of people will lose their farms or cut their sizes in half. Look it up.
That's what I meant about the useful idiot supporting these people that are in power and enacting completely idiotic things like the nitrogen band that will for sure affect farmers and food output.
How arrogant are those people? That they think it's a luxury to produce food? They're playing with people's lives, livelihoods and the production of food. That's a precious resource they're screwing with. And they're complete idiots.
And these same people are the same people that tried to regulate cow farts. It might seem outrageous at first but they keep going and now it's a serious matter for them to eliminate farm animals in the name of climate change. Severely limit them. And make them prohibitively expensive to grow and bring to market.
The Kings will still be able to get whatever meat and steaks they wish, but the common person may not be able to even afford hamburger.
But don't worry, it's better for you to eat crickets and bugs because it's better for the environment and the proteins just as good as meat!
By the way they were promoting cricket protein as more beneficially nutritional than animal protein and more efficient to grow. Then they did steady showing that the crickets that they farm are fed garbage and so their protein quality is very low compared to cricket that would be in the wild or maybe in a grocery store eating the good food.
So even their cricket farming roadkill is complete roadkill. It's not more efficient to grow and it's less quality of a protein.
But toejam like this is coming along in the name of climate change. You will give up your air conditioner. You will give up your car and you will give up your comfortable lifestyle of being able to eat hamburger. If that's what they say you have to do to fight climate change, that's what you're going to do. Whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: RotBaron on August 05, 2022, 09:54:31 PM
Growing up in the ‘80’s I attended an exclusive super liberal “day school”. The teachers kept telling us not to “waste” any water at all because Phoenix was going to run out of water and dry up.
Since then Phoenix metro has grown by ~4 million people and we are still growing. We have a couple suburbs that are nearly 1 million people. How is it possible we haven’t run out of water? :headscratch:
They were lying, imo quite intentionally. Phoenix “valley of the sun” is situated on top of one of the US largest aquifer systems. They were just downright dishonest to further these climate falsehoods, at least our PhD science teacher was.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 05, 2022, 09:57:35 PM
I grew up in north phoenix. The place never stopped growing and it never has.
My family moved there from California when I was 7. I moved back to California when I was about 43... About 14 years ago.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: guncrasher on August 05, 2022, 10:00:38 PM
the Canadian cricket farm makes animal feed. you forgot that fact.
semp
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: FLS on August 05, 2022, 10:17:28 PM
you mean the bugs that people have been eating for thousands of years? are they also pushing for armadillo and possum which I ate in texas and Louisiana years ago?
perhaps tlacuache tacos which are so good. or any other fungus and insects that we have been eating for thousands of years.
dam wefies are pushing stuff that taste so good. guess you never had gelatin that's nasty.
semp
Did you miss the part about cutting meat and replacing it with bugs? Because the part you usually miss is usually the point.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: MiloMorai on August 05, 2022, 10:20:37 PM
Growing up in the ‘80’s I attended an exclusive super liberal “day school”. The teachers kept telling us not to “waste” any water at all because Phoenix was going to run out of water and dry up.
Since then Phoenix metro has grown by ~4 million people and we are still growing. We have a couple suburbs that are nearly 1 million people. How is it possible we haven’t run out of water? :headscratch:
They were lying, imo quite intentionally. Phoenix “valley of the sun” is situated on top of one of the US largest aquifer systems. They were just downright dishonest to further these climate falsehoods, at least our PhD science teacher was.
No mention of the existing aquifer system I’m referring to.
Overestimated % of Phoenix use of the Colorado River.
Concern about Tucson and other parts of the state are not Phoenix’s problem.
Flagstaff and Tucson have major water problems, again not Phoenix’s problem.
The use of the (Apache’s) White and Black River = the Salt River/lake system is a minor problem during years where the White Mountains do not get enough snow.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: RotBaron on August 05, 2022, 10:46:31 PM
I grew up in north phoenix. The place never stopped growing and it never has.
My family moved there from California when I was 7. I moved back to California when I was about 43... About 14 years ago.
It’s sad to see that Phoenix itself is blue these days. Crappy mayor after crappy mayor, one now in the HoR. Thankfully quite a bit of the rest of the valley has retained sanity.
Phoenix became a “little Chicago” when rent/mortgages here were awesome. An enormous change in that in the last few years.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: MiloMorai on August 05, 2022, 10:50:02 PM
Didn't the article say 3% from the aquifer?
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: guncrasher on August 05, 2022, 10:51:22 PM
I got it liberal mayor's banned the rain dance.
semp
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: MiloMorai on August 05, 2022, 10:52:51 PM
Kentucky has lots of water. Maybe some of that water can be pumped west.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: zack1234 on August 06, 2022, 02:31:28 AM
However, they have wasted 100’s of millions on urban renewal in rundown neighborhoods and have it fail all over again with 5-10 years, rinse repeat…
Also, the light rail system that was promised to virtually pay for itself through fares is almost a total failure. It’s not safe in many places, hardly anyone pays the fare and it’s often nearly empty. It did however make 100’s of businesses have to shut down or move across the valley, all so we could say we have eco-friendly mass transit like all the other liberal dumps, yay!
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Eagler on August 06, 2022, 06:59:44 AM
The number one pile of BS that they are pedaling is that a warmer climate is bad when it's the exact opposite. Throughout Earth's history, during the warmest times was when most of the life was thriving. Anytime the climate got cooler things died.
They tell the common people things like hurricanes are getting more destructive. More destructive? What does that even mean? Does that mean that they are intelligent and that they are now seeking to destroy more? Does it mean that they are more powerful? No. What it means is that they are peddling BS telling you that there is more damage in terms of dollars done recently. All that means is that there are lots of buildings and infrastructure that were in the way of the hurricane. Hurricanes are not stronger and they are not more frequent than they ever were. These climate retards are complete liars but the people that suck it up and take the lies are even stupider. All it takes is a little bit of common sense to look at the situation and find out that they are completely lying to everybody. And most people know that it's a scam to get money out of us. What are these morons going to do when the climate starts to cool off? Are they going to suggest that start burning our wood stoves and burning gas and oil again?
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: zack1234 on August 06, 2022, 07:07:35 AM
How dare you!
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 06, 2022, 07:07:52 AM
And never forget. Climate change affects people of color more than anybody else.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Eagler on August 06, 2022, 07:09:16 AM
Don’t think wearing mask does anything except highlight your a retard.
How many of you still want to wear a mask?
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Eagler on August 06, 2022, 09:03:29 AM
Masks make ugly people prettier...hides some of it from display..
Might be why some still wear them...
:cheers:
Eagler
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 06, 2022, 10:45:13 AM
people are starving because we want to reduce fertilizer use. There are hundreds of more pressing needs than pushing extreme climate regulations, that actually DO harm people.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: TequilaChaser on August 06, 2022, 12:08:58 PM
And let's not forget that even though the climate is warming, we are benefiting from that. There is nothing bad that is happening.
These climate alarmists that want us to believe that bad things are happening because of the climate have nothing. There are no bad things happening because of the climate getting warmer. There are more benefits than negatives for the climate being as warm as it is now.
Any evidence these people try to point to that say things are getting worse and that people are going to be flooded out of their coastal homes or any of that was just pure nonsense.
:aok <----- that :old: feller over there posting this, knew what the global climate warming/ (climate change ie..natural occurring) scientists were upto when they made the pac back in the late 80s then again in 1992 EPA and the HVAC-R industry came up all involved are wanting MORE MONEY....PERIOD!
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: TequilaChaser on August 06, 2022, 12:11:14 PM
And they're trying to sign another pact in the HVAC-R field before October this year....so they can continue to keep on stealing money
The whole thing started after they found the hole in the ozone back over Antarctic in 1947, IIRC...heh
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: morfiend on August 06, 2022, 12:32:46 PM
I’ll just drop this,seems to cover this discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghj5V5cUo1s
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: guncrasher on August 06, 2022, 12:33:14 PM
And never forget. Climate change affects people of color more than anybody else.
kind of sad you ignored some of the facts in your own link. one of them was they shut off electricity to lower income areas with mostly people of color but not in more affluent areas.
also I used to install closet doors, security doors, basically any kind of doors down from swimming valley to palm springs. guess which people mostly didn't have ac on.
so go ahead and laugh.
semp
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: zack1234 on August 06, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
I am a person of colour and I don’t have AC
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: morfiend on August 06, 2022, 05:02:34 PM
Not sure what you're getting at. Canada is going to effectively cripple their agriculture with their nitrogen controls. They are insane. Try reading about it and get back. Farmers will lose billions, they will have to drastically cut production. Insanity. All in the name of climate change. These are the same ideas that crippled other countries who did the same exact thing. Of course, you could look it up if you cared.
so did you even read what you linked us to? It's exactly what I said. Literally everything in that PDF verifies what I said. From that document:
In initial conversations with Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada (AAFC), the government has stated their intention to pursue an absolute emissions reduction of 30%, rather than an emissions intensity reduction of 30%.
This short-sighted approach to reducing emissions will result in the need to reduce nitrogen fertilizer use and will have considerable impact on Canadian farmers’ incomes and reduce overall Canadian exports and GDP.
Canada’s fertilizer industry has a significant role to play in achieving both the government’s target to netzero emissions by 2050 and reaching $75 billion in agri-food and seafood exports by 2025.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: guncrasher on August 06, 2022, 10:19:18 PM
so did you even read what you linked us to? It's exactly what I said. Literally everything in that PDF verifies what I said. From that document:
In initial conversations with Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada (AAFC), the government has stated their intention to pursue an absolute emissions reduction of 30%, rather than an emissions intensity reduction of 30%.
This short-sighted approach to reducing emissions will result in the need to reduce nitrogen fertilizer use and will have considerable impact on Canadian farmers’ incomes and reduce overall Canadian exports and GDP.
Canada’s fertilizer industry has a significant role to play in achieving both the government’s target to netzero emissions by 2050 and reaching $75 billion in agri-food and seafood exports by 2025.
except for they want to get rid of the cows and its coming here.
semp
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: RotBaron on August 07, 2022, 03:52:09 AM
except for they want to get rid of the cows and its coming here.
semp
“We set a goal to get to net-zero, rather than zero, emissions in 10 years because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast,” - AOC
‘That fast” contradicts everything she said when she stated: ‘It’s not to say we’re going to force everybody to go vegan or anything crazy like that.”
‘We’re” :eek: yikes. Who is we (we’re)?
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Eagler on August 07, 2022, 07:19:36 AM
First time spotting your countrymen in Heathrow as a child from New Orleans I thought something was wrong with them as I had never people that ghostly white before
Eagler
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: morfiend on August 07, 2022, 10:03:14 AM
so did you even read what you linked us to? It's exactly what I said. Literally everything in that PDF verifies what I said. From that document:
In initial conversations with Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada (AAFC), the government has stated their intention to pursue an absolute emissions reduction of 30%, rather than an emissions intensity reduction of 30%.
This short-sighted approach to reducing emissions will result in the need to reduce nitrogen fertilizer use and will have considerable impact on Canadian farmers’ incomes and reduce overall Canadian exports and GDP.
Canada’s fertilizer industry has a significant role to play in achieving both the government’s target to netzero emissions by 2050 and reaching $75 billion in agri-food and seafood exports by 2025.
Of course I read it,you on the other hand are just talking out your aZZ,as usual. Reducing emissions and restricting fertilizer are 2 different things so maybe it’s best you stick to what you know and go fix another printer.
Did you read it or just skim through it??? We’ve been cutting back on it for some time already yet have increased output over 30% and canola output by 80%……and cricket output as well. :rofl
As you’ve said many times to me you don’t live here so it’s none of your business,can you vote here?
Unlike you I can live in either country,as it states in the treaty,my passage across the border shall not be infringed. I can live or work in either country and don’t have to report income made in one to the other. I choose to live where I do although I have plenty of family members who live in the USA.
Maybe Zack is right you need to go read a book.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: guncrasher on August 07, 2022, 10:32:41 AM
but you killing the cows oh never mind b that's how we get steaks
semp
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Puma44 on August 07, 2022, 10:34:05 AM
Of course I read it,you on the other hand are just talking out your aZZ,as usual. Reducing emissions and restricting fertilizer are 2 different things so maybe it’s best you stick to what you know and go fix another printer.
Did you read it or just skim through it??? We’ve been cutting back on it for some time already yet have increased output over 30% and canola output by 80%……and cricket output as well. :rofl
As you’ve said many times to me you don’t live here so it’s none of your business,can you vote here?
Unlike you I can live in either country,as it states in the treaty,my passage across the border shall not be infringed. I can live or work in either country and don’t have to report income made in one to the other. I choose to live where I do although I have plenty of family members who live in the USA.
Maybe Zack is right you need to go read a book.
🤣👍
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 07, 2022, 10:35:23 AM
Of course I read it,you on the other hand are just talking out your aZZ,as usual. Reducing emissions and restricting fertilizer are 2 different things so maybe it’s best you stick to what you know and go fix another printer.
Did you read it or just skim through it??? We’ve been cutting back on it for some time already yet have increased output over 30% and canola output by 80%……and cricket output as well. :rofl
As you’ve said many times to me you don’t live here so it’s none of your business,can you vote here?
Unlike you I can live in either country,as it states in the treaty,my passage across the border shall not be infringed. I can live or work in either country and don’t have to report income made in one to the other. I choose to live where I do although I have plenty of family members who live in the USA.
Maybe Zack is right you need to go read a book.
so you didn't understand what you read, because it was against the government's plans. They said (like I said) that that farmers would be forced to use less fertilizer and to cut way back on farming. Agriculture output will be affected drastically.
You're a stoner dimwit liberal moron.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 07, 2022, 10:44:54 AM
Further, the reason your farming output has been increasing is BECAUSE farmers are using so much more fertilizers than they had prior to 1990.
That ends now with this plan.
Or course you don't get it because you're an absolute moron.
The plan is to pursue an absolute emissions reduction of nitrogen by 30 percent, just like that article you linked says.
here's the article he posted, if anyone wants to not understrand it like morphine. https://fertilizercanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Emissions-Reduction-Initiative-Impacts-Solutions.pdf (https://fertilizercanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Emissions-Reduction-Initiative-Impacts-Solutions.pdf)
That article lists the gains in agriculture up to this time and THEN tells us that the new, hard limit on emissions is going to drastically cut all of that. Do you not get it? Incredible.
In initial conversations with Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada (AAFC), the government has stated their intention to pursue an absolute emissions reduction of 30%, rather than an emissions intensity reduction of 30%. This short-sighted approach to reducing emissions will result in the need to reduce nitrogen fertilizer use and will have considerable impact on Canadian farmers’ incomes and reduce overall Canadian exports and GDP.
Total Emission Reduction puts a cap on the total emissions allowable from fertilizer at 30% below 2020 levels. As the yield of Canadian crops is directly linked to proper fertilizer application this creates a ceiling on Canadian agricultural productivity well below 2020 levels.
That is from your article. You may have read it but you're too dumb to realize that it was written in opposition to the hard-limit in emissions.
Try being less baked all day.
All in the name of climate change. Screw the farmers and your own industry. Cut off your nose to spite your face.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Puma44 on August 07, 2022, 11:13:58 AM
Name calling = Nothing credible to say and emotionally out of control.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 07, 2022, 11:22:27 AM
I have plenty of credible things to say. I offer real opinions and lay out arguments in a logical way.
That fool refers to me as an "it" and has no respect for me, so I have no respect for him. He's a stoner and he's an idiot
You should mind your own business. Maybe add something to the conversation, or if you don't like what I have to say please feel free to ignore me and to hit the complainer button to report my horrible behavior.
That fool posted a PDF that says exactly what I was saying -and then told me I'm the stupid one. He not only does not understand that fact, but comes here and basically tells me I'm stupid. He's actually done that many times to me. So I pointed out that HE's the one who doesn't get it. He's the stupid one.
He's a total stoner though, so go figure. Brags that he's an Indian and gets baked all day - and never shy about stating how superior he is to everyone else. Delusional and a fool.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: FLS on August 07, 2022, 11:31:43 AM
You really don't know what you're talking about. You keep insulting people who disagree with whatever you read lately.
Argue the point not the man, it's always good advice.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Puma44 on August 07, 2022, 11:39:40 AM
You should mind your own business. Maybe add something to the conversation, or if you don't like what I have to say please feel free to ignore me and to hit the complainer button to report my horrible behavior.
Perhaps you should follow your own advice. Plusing up your post count doesn’t impress anyone, nor does it validate your name calling. It’s clear that you have some sort of deep seated anger issue outside of this forum.
Morfiend has long standing credibility in AH, that you don’t, and never will with the continual angry name calling.
There. There’s a contribution. :salute
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 07, 2022, 11:43:23 AM
I return the insults. I do not argue based on insults either. I present my arguments. He posted some article that backed up what I was saying and then told me I was talking out my AZZ.
This guy knows me and I've know him. For a long time. I temporarily banned him from my two forums because him and his buddy were referring to me as an "it". But I pm'd him and told him that I opened his account back up. He replied and told me to shove it and that he'd not be back, but he secretly logs in anyway.
All him and his buddy Milo did was talk crap about people behind their back. Talking about how they were going to troll people. How they think Americans are stupid
So I do know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 07, 2022, 11:46:59 AM
Perhaps you should follow your own advice. Plusing up your post count doesn’t impress anyone, nor does it validate your name calling. It’s clear that you have some sort of deep seated anger issue outside of this forum.
Morfiend has long standing credibility in AH, that you don’t, and never will with the continual angry name calling.
There. There’s a contribution. :salute
Post count? lol. I don't give to craps.
And Morphine has been a member of two of my forums. One for 14 years. So do know him. I know him pretty well.
You on the other hand do not know me at all. You don't know a thing about my credibility and my integrity.
Please feel free to keep your yap shut, ignore me or report me. If you engage me, I will probably engage back. That's how it works.
Post count. What laugh.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Puma44 on August 07, 2022, 11:48:34 AM
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: -gg- on August 07, 2022, 11:51:24 AM
AH credibility?
Sorry, but I did not properly address that.
I'm still a paying customer. I have played since 2001 and maintained an account for most of that time.
I have an AH page on my forum. HiTech was a member of my forum - as were/are about 800 people from AH.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Chris79 on August 07, 2022, 01:23:21 PM
Weather, right now, 1404 est Sarasota Florida at my house it is, partly cloudy with a temperature of 32.5 Celsius. There is a east wind of 12kmh. The dew point is 21-22 Celsius. To the south there is scattered cumulus with the base being at around 2000 meters and the ceiling being around 3000 meters. To the west over the gulf it is mostly sunny. To the north and east there is scattered towering cumulus with the bases averaging 2000 meters and the ceilings averaging 6000 meters. This afternoon’s forecast has a 85 percent chance of a thunderstorm after 4pm. Climate. The high temperature for early august ought to range between 31-34 degrees Celsius with a 30-40 percent chance of rain. This holds true from around the 1st week of June when the rainy season starts to the first week of October when the rainy season ends. Although the rainy season has started as early as mid May and ended as late as the last week of October. Last year the rainy season ended in mid September a bit early and started this year the first week of June which is normal. Basically weather is what is or will be in the near future, climate is what ought to be using long term averages.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: knorB on August 07, 2022, 01:43:16 PM
Celsius? Meters?
You aint no floridian.
Title: Re: What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
Post by: Chris79 on August 07, 2022, 01:54:28 PM