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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bj229r on September 10, 2022, 08:02:27 AM
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(https://large.shootingsportsmedia.com/769884.jpg) Colt Defender...shorty 1911, love this gun
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I only carry my hands, they can be lethal so I have to be careful with how I use them...
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Glock 26 or 42 for me.
But currently having a tough time here in DPRNY. :(
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Got a safe with various options in various calibers. It depends on what I'm going to be wearing (summer/winter clothes concealed carry) and to an extent where I'm going.
My old school fave though is a Colt Cobra in .38spl. Light (14 oz empty), literally a fraction of an inch wider than most cc autos, 6 shots vs 5 in a S&W snubbie, essentially foolproof/jam proof. 6.75" in Long, 1.25" wide 4.5" high
This one isn't mine, just an internet pic.
(https://dygtyjqp7pi0m.cloudfront.net/i/9487/10487711_1.jpg?v=8CDD81EA39557C0)
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My brain generally keeps me out of trouble. :old:
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My brain generally keeps me out of trouble. :old:
Have you got a permit for that Wildin? :old:
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It was a crime when Colt stopped making revolvers
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Can't carry where I live, but would like to get a revolver for protection at home.
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(http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/36526/31536276_1.jpg?v=8D63694E4ED71D0)
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( has to be a rule violation in here someplace but the inner zack in me can’t resist. )
(( just like Elvis, we all have a little zack in us. even gina . :)
I carry a banana and a pointy stick!
:banana: :banana: :aok :bolt:
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Can't carry where I live, but would like to get a revolver for protection at home.
I've reached the point where I've stopped asking permission from people who've no authority to grant it
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It depends on time of year (warm weather vs cold) and what I am doing. If I am going dress up slacks, shirt and tie I'll pack a Rugar LCP. Typical warm weather, and I do wear cargo shorts / pants, is a Sig 938 with laser. Cooler weather a Hellcat OSP with a crimson trace optic. Since I am far too fast approaching my 7th decade I like the red dot over irons. Once in a great while I'll drag out the old S&W 642 with laser but carrying extra rounds is a PITA for a wheel gun.
Almost all of my carry is pocket but I do have IWB & appendix holsters. There is no competition in the area so OWB holsters aren't being used as the ranges locally do not allow draw and fire practice due to liability concerns and far too many folks who lack training / skills. One would think the San Antonio area would have combat pistol competitions or at lease SASS but nothing shows up on search.
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Yeah, I just assume/hope whatever transpires doesn't require more than 7 rounds
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I carry a .45 with an extra clip where ever I go. I have CC permit.
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To me, the idea of carrying is to arm myself for the retrograde movement. I have no desire to get into a 40 round spray and pray affair. I do carry a zip strip with an additional 6 though if I use the Cobra.
Even with the various capacity autos I bring along another magazine. Never can tell how far I'll have to retrograde.
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Big stick, Teddy style.
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What is retrograde?
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Kimber .45 with spare mags.
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Big stick, Teddy style.
So you carry around a metaphor? :D
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I carry a .45 with an extra magazine where ever I go. I have CC permit.
Fixed, you're welcome ser! :D
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I would invariably lose the extra mag in a motel or something. The only reason I haven't lost the gun is I hook my truck keys thru the belt clip each night
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Winter XD 45, Summer SW 9 mostly. May carry some other depending on how I am dressed. Really like the Hellcat. Will be getting on soon.
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Can't carry where I live, but would like to get a revolver for protection at home.
I'd recommend a Mossburg 500 instead GG
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Going 92f later this year. I haven't actively fired weapons in 30 years so, currently, I do not carry as I don't trust myself to put a round where I want instead of grandma or little Suzy. I'm going to do some range time then pay a buddy of mine for a weekend of combat training (that's what he does for a living. Firearm, hand to hand, hand vs knife, etc) and get what I call 'current' which means to me being able to fire in a situation where there are distractions but still but the round where you want. Until the day I'm comfortable that I can do so I'll just use my brain, situational awareness, and anything I can throw at a miscreant. That's worked for me for 30 years but I'm getting old LOL
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in AH
(https://ww2live.com/sites/default/files/imegenes/M8%20Greyhound%20for%20sale%20or%20hire%20(2).jpg)
In RL
Fast running shoes.
:rofl
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(https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/u/n/untitled-1_4_17.jpg)
I have a XD .45 with light rail attachment for home defense, but that thing is like carrying a bazooka.
If I can't kill it with 10 rounds of 9mm, I'm running from it.
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(https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/u/n/untitled-1_4_17.jpg)
I have a XD .45 with light rail attachment for home defense, but that thing is like carrying a bazooka.
If I can't kill it with 10 rounds of 9mm, I'm running from it.
used to have that gun. got rid of it. for some reason it felt weird.
semp
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I'd recommend a Mossburg 500 instead GG
yes. My friends at FW had recommended that one a lot.
A few months ago I woke up at 3am to a man trying to open my bedroom door. Thought I was someone names Amy and he was a nut job. He showed up again a couple weeks later. So that scared me.
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I have a Mossberg 500 "quick change". Can swap the barrel, stock, grip, without tools. Will come in handy when I need to switch between birds and zombies in the field.
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I'm not legally allowed to carry. Mentally unstable. Instead I just spit on people and throw dung
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I'm not legally allowed to carry. Mentally unstable. Instead I just spit on people and throw dung
well some people are allergic to peanut, so you have some built-in immunity.
semp
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I have a Mossberg 500 "quick change". Can swap the barrel, stock, grip, without tools. Will come in handy when I need to switch between birds and zombies in the field.
I keep a Mossberg 500 with pistol grip, dowl removed, and short bartrel in my truck. Regular stocvk, barrel and dowl are in the smaller safe.
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I conceal carry a full size m91/30 mosin nagant with the bayonet always attached.
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Answering such a question sort of defeats the purpose of concealed carry, doesn't it?
However, if I were to be a person who carried, I imagine it would be a Kimber Ultra Carry II in .45 ACP if I were wearing a belt, and a Ruger .380 LCP if I were wearing suspenders.
Hypothetically, of course.
- oldman
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was just watching 911 crisis center, some guy put his gun in the oven, went to Walmart, came back turned the oven on and it blew up.
so for some of you rednecks buy a cheap holster or perhaps a string like taco ramirez, but whatever you do, don't carry it in a hot oven with you.
semp
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Since my state is very proud of open carry I was day dreaming the other day of reacquiring and walking around with:
(https://i.imgur.com/G08XPg7.png)
but, honestly, not only has it been years since I've been in practice but my post stroke self would be in trouble should someone see it as an invite to a shootout. :old:
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In Finland .357 Dan Wesson owned by me, in Belgium company gave me Glock 17. Both were service guns and in Finland had license to carry them everywhere, also off-time. In Belgium there were certain limitations, as their gun laws are also very strict.
Nowadays I'm retired and live in a country where permit is difficult to obtain if a foreigner so just Walther ProSecur Pepper Gel. And, to be honest, I really do not need a firearm in here, pepper is mostly for animals as I go often to wilderness with my son.
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I carry a key chain kubotan that unscrews and doubles as a Philips or slotted screw driver. My wife never leaves home without hers.
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I thought that in Canada it's illegal to carry any type of weapon for self defense?
we're pretty limited in California. We can only carry pepper spray, stun guns, maybe non-folding knives, etc
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Guess you thought wrong…. It’s just a key chain.
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The other day in California a 25-year-old mother was beheaded by a guy with a sword.
I used to drive Uber and Lyft. I was afraid a couple of times with people in my car. The only thing I carried was pepper spray. If I would have been in Arizona I would have been carrying a gun, even though that's against Lyft and Uber policies.
But in California if you get caught carrying a gun you could be in a lot of trouble. And that's unfortunate.
I believe everybody has a right to defend themselves and what better protection is there than a gun?
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what better protection is there than a gun?
Not being in California in the first place :rofl
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Not being in California in the first place :rofl
So I'm told.
I was born here in Long Beach but lived most of my life in Phoenix. I do miss Arizona, but California is pretty nice too.
When I went back to visit recently I went to a bar and one of my girlfriends had her gun right in her purse when we walked out to the car.
By the way, your account was approved. Sorry I didn't notice it for a few days
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I believe everybody has a right to defend themselves and what better protection is there than a gun?
A wiser society where mental illness is addressed.
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Until we can rule out the chance of violence (never), I'll take a gun thank you.
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Practice a lot then such that reality more approaches illusion.
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back to the subject.
I'd like something for home use. I'd feel better if I had a revolver by my bed as opposed to a shotgun that would be hard to use in a small space. My bedroom door is less than 3 feet from the foot of my bed and it's the main entrance. I would have to gave something pretty much under my pillow.
If I ever move back to a sane state, like Arizona, I'd want something that would fit in my purse and easy for me to use.
I'm not sure if I trust anything but a revolver. I'm not a gun person and I'd think simpler is better for me.
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back to the subject.
I'd like something for home use. I'd feel better if I had a revolver by my bed as opposed to a shotgun that would be hard to use in a small space. My bedroom door is less than 3 feet from the foot of my bed and it's the main entrance. I would have to gave something pretty much under my pillow.
If I ever move back to a sane state, like Arizona, I'd want something that would fit in my purse and easy for me to use.
I'm not sure if I trust anything but a revolver. I'm not a gun person and I'd think simpler is better for me.
Is that single or double action?
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I don't know. The kind that can be cocked by hand or the trigger directly pulled.
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There's a bunch that do single and double
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There's a bunch that do single and double
Every double action revolver can do also single action. DAO, double action only, cannot.
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Not all
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Ruger LCP 380
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I don't know. The kind that can be cocked by hand or the trigger directly pulled.
Geeg…you may have heard this before. An old school Colt Agent or Cobra is what you want. Both essentially the same, they are lightweight Colt Detective Specials. The DS is steel frame, the other two are alloy.
Six rounds of .38spl. You won’t notice it under your pillow. Single or double action. Won’t jam. Don’t have to fool with a safety in the dark when startled awake. Amazingly accurate for a 2” barrel. A very easy purse carry.
Plus, whatever you pay it will appreciate. You’ll beat inflation if you ever want to sell.
Just do it.
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Right now I have to save every dime because I'm worried about where I'm going to live and how much money I we'll have to pay. It's stressing me out.
But I would like to have a gun like that, Toad.
Sometimes I get spooked at night when I do noises outside but I've got cameras and stuff and nobody's ever around it's just a cat or something. But it always scares me.
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Gina shop around pawnshops you can find a gun for home for cheap. then you can upgrade. just be careful.
semp
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Not all
If DA revolver cannot act SA, it is not DA but DAO.
DAO means that the weapon can only be fired in double action mode. Examples include the DAO variants of the Beretta 92 and SIG P226 DAK, or it can also sometimes refer to striker fired pistols such as Glock or M&P that are designed with a much heavier trigger pull (such as some police departments like the New York Police Department require). It can also apply to revolvers that have a covered up hammer so they can only be fired in the DA mode only, such as the Ruger LCR or Smith & Wesson 442/642.
DA/SA refers to weapons, and usually semi-automatic pistols, that can be fired in DA or SA mode. The first trigger pull is long and in the DA mode, while all subsequent trigger pulls are in the shorter and crisper SA trigger mode, until the weapon is either empty or safely decocked. Examples include the Beretta 92, SIG P226, Walther P99, and the HK USP. Most DA/SA are hammer fired, but exceptions apply, as a few striker fired pistols like the P99 are DA/SA.
DA is typically used to refer to double action revolvers that can be fired in double action or have the hammer pulled back for single action, and in modern cases, with a swing out cylinder. This includes guns like the Ruger GP100 or the Smith & Wesson 686.
SA is typically used to refer to single action revolvers that can only be fired in single action mode after the hammer is pulled. This includes iconic revolvers like the Colt Peacemaker (AKA the Colt Single Action Army) or the Ruger Vaquero.
If you don't believe me, hope you believe him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2be4eS_tMI
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I've never heard the term "DAO", but it sounds appropriate. Ones that do both I've always seen referred to as SA/DA. I have an single action old west clone, it's a blast to play with
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I'm still not clear on what the differences between single and double action. I'm thinking that single action is that you just pull the trigger? Double action is that you can cock t if you want, or pull the trigger in one action?
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You have to cock a single action.
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I'm still not clear on what the differences between single and double action. I'm thinking that single action is that you just pull the trigger? Double action is that you can cock t if you want, or pull the trigger in one action?
T'other way around, it refers to the functionality of the trigger. Single action only releases the sear allowing the hammer to fall and strike like in the old cowboy movies. With double action the trigger also moves the hammer back and rotates the cylinder to align a new (hopefully loaded) chamber and also releases the sear. Some revolvers have shrouded hammers to ease draw from concealement and then you can consider them only double-action. That might be preferable for a beginner because there's less to think about and although the trigger pull is heavier than single action, it is the same for each shot.
There were some self-cocking revolvers once so that each shot was single-action without cocking, but they were used long ago by marksman when the natives didn't like it up 'em. Not relevant today.
Get training because waving a gun around in fear isn't going to help you.
I prefer a Wakasashi myself. It's quieter, relies on gross-motor skills and I don't have to reload it.
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It's a REALLY, REALLY cool sound
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Yes the sound is how you align the blade for a clean cut.
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Thanks for the clarification .
I am good shot. I dont plan on waving a gun around, just to keep at home. If it comes out it will be for inspection or for shooting someone in my place .
🙃
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Get good locks and bars on tactically dubious windows and don't shoot anyone is the better option. :banana:
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That's probably what the Memphis jogger should have done.
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If they are in my place, they're getting shot.
I don't want to ever have to do that.
Having everything locked up is a no brainer. Of course. That won't protect me once they're inside. A gun will
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I prefer a Wakasashi myself. It's quieter, relies on gross-motor skills and I don't have to reload it.
Hmmm Imwould have thought you’d prefer a bolo then when wrapped up you can taunt them with ‘how do you like me now’ until the cops arrive.
For home defence I use a dog breaker stick and my 90 lb bulldog. I’ve spent about a year now training him for man work but he hurt his knee so I’ve stopped,that said with the right command he’ll charge you and take out your legs then slobber all over your face.
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with the right command he’ll charge you and take out your legs then slobber all over your face.
A fate worse than death! :old:
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I miss my dog, Ziggy. He was a chow and a great gaurd dog. I felt pretty safe with him around.
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A fate worse than death! :old:
Yes if you’ve ever seen a bulldog with a full drool on you know there’s no coming back from that.
He’s a big boy from European stock,I had him imported from Poland and is much larger than the usual bulldog you see over here. He’s about 17 inches at the withers and about 44kg,but he’s a Covid dog some he got no scocializing with people as a pup which makes him standoffish. Not the typical bulldog so I decieded to train him for man work,been a long time since I’ve done that as most my previous dogs weren’t suitable for that,you just don’t train bullterriers or staffies for that sort of thing.’
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Some revolvers have shrouded hammers to ease draw from concealement and then you can consider them only double-action. That might be preferable for a beginner because there's less to think about and although the trigger pull is heavier than single action, it is the same for each shot.
Actually, DAOs are meant for professionals, not for noobies. Heavier trigger is preferable, when crap hits the propeller, adrenaline rushes to circulation and fine motoric disappears.
I prefer a Wakasashi myself. It's quieter, relies on gross-motor skills and I don't have to reload it.
Distance, distance... With sword to kill armed attacker you need to get pretty close.
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Actually, DAOs are meant for professionals, not for noobies. Heavier trigger is preferable, when crap hits the propeller, adrenaline rushes to circulation and fine motoric disappears.
I don't quite follow, a heavy trigger and less thinking / fine motor dependence sounds ideal for inexperienced people under pressure?
Distance, distance... With sword to kill armed attacker you need to get pretty close.
I know.
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I don't quite follow, a heavy trigger and less thinking / fine motor dependence sounds ideal for inexperienced people under pressure?
With over 20 years experience I can tell you, adrenaline takes fine motor skills from everyone. Too light triggers have created lots of accidents, even fatal ones. That's why many service semiauto pistols are DAO. And DA revolver should always be used in service DA, not SA.
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With over 20 years experience I can tell you, adrenaline takes fine motor skills from everyone. Too light triggers have created lots of accidents, even fatal ones. That's why many service semiauto pistols are DAO. And DA revolver should always be used in service DA, not SA.
:headscratch: But I think we agree :rock
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:headscratch: But I think we agree :rock
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/why-switched-double-action/
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When the SHTF small muscle memory goes away.
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Hmmm Imwould have thought you’d prefer a bolo then when wrapped up you can taunt them with ‘how do you like me now’ until the cops arrive.
For home defence I use a dog breaker stick and my 90 lb bulldog. I’ve spent about a year now training him for man work but he hurt his knee so I’ve stopped,that said with the right command he’ll charge you and take out your legs then slobber all over your face.
Sounds like my ex but it wasn't the face. But THAT is a long story.
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I'm thinking about going with the 92f soon. I like the feel of them. Reminds me of my Hi Power back in the day.
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I'm thinking about going with the 92f soon. I like the feel of them. Reminds me of my Hi Power back in the day.
I have one with Crimson Trace grips, and Wilson Combat mods. Shoots great, action is smooth, a lot of my friends complain the grips are too big.
@gg: you might look at the Rock Island Armory wheel gun. The M206 is a SA/DA revolver and very affordable.
https://www.armscor.com/firearms-list/m206-38spl-6rd
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Sounds like my ex but it wasn't the face. But THAT is a long story.
Funny I heard it was a short story,guess it depends on what you call long…. :devil
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we're pretty limited in California. We can only carry pepper spray, stun guns, maybe non-folding knives, etc
You're pretty limited in your county. That's not the case for all of California. In my county, CCW permit is relatively easy to get. I got one, wife got it and most of my friends too. Not a big deal.
Same with the knives. Depends on municipality. My county does not have extra knife laws, so the state law applies which is pretty permissive. No blade length limits for fixed or folding blades. Fixed blades must be carried openly, folding knives can be carried openly or concealed.
Some knives are banned though such as: Ballistic knives, Belt buckle knives, Pen knives, Cane swords or knives, Switchblades/balisongs with blades longer than 2 inches and OTF/Out the front knives with blades longer than 2 inches.
Also, on school grounds and college campuses, you are restricted to knives under 2.5 in.
As you see on bellow image, if you need CCW permit, you need to move in "Shall Issue" county.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/California_CCW_Issuance_Map.png)
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Therein lies the issue--"What my county(state) ALLOWS" They are assuming rights they don't have. If I'm in a non-carry area, and I get in trouble for same, THAT will be the least of my worries
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You're pretty limited in your county. That's not the case for all of California. In my county, CCW permit is relatively easy to get. I got one, wife got it and most of my friends too. Not a big deal.
Same with the knives. Depends on municipality. My county does not have extra knife laws, so the state law applies which is pretty permissive. No blade length limits for fixed or folding blades. Fixed blades must be carried openly, folding knives can be carried openly or concealed.
Some knives are banned though such as: Ballistic knives, Belt buckle knives, Pen knives, Cane swords or knives, Switchblades/balisongs with blades longer than 2 inches and OTF/Out the front knives with blades longer than 2 inches.
Also, on school grounds and college campuses, you are restricted to knives under 2.5 in.
As you see on bellow image, if you need CCW permit, you need to move in "Shall Issue" county.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/California_CCW_Issuance_Map.png)
I think the whole state will or is now a "shall issue" state - due to the Supreme Court ruling. I'm sure they will try to restrict as much as they can in the 'blue' areas, but thank God for that decision.
Thanks for the information. I was aware that other counties had better laws, but not to that extent.
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you know, I'd forgotten all about the new laws. I might just go ahead and jump through the hoops and get my CC permit.
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you know, I'd forgotten all about the new laws. I might just go ahead and jump through the hoops and get my CC permit.
be careful where you get your permit, there's a company out of Arizona that will issue you a permit that is worthless here. also be careful once you get it where you take it. lots of places don't allow them including restaurants or bars.
semp
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Well I would get a legal permit of course. And I would research where the gun is not allowed but mostly I would just keep it in my car.
It doe in Arizona there is no requirement for a permit to conceal or open carry. I mean somebody would have to be a real idiot to get a fake permit and carry a gun around.
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awesome phrase I heard somewhere--"permits are stolen rights being sold back to you"
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you know, I'd forgotten all about the new laws. I might just go ahead and jump through the hoops and get my CC permit.
Go to https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/index.php
There's tons of information.
For CCW, there are county specific subforums: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=116
Anyways, it's pointless to apply for CCW permit if you don't have a gun. In most counties, gun/s you are allowed to carry is/are listed on CCW.
I'd suggest get yourself a (required for firearms purchase) Firearms Safety Certificate. It's a short test you can do in most gun stores and it cost $25 and is valid for 5 years.
Once in possession of valid FSC, buy a firearm. Handguns you wish to purchase must be listed on California Handgun Roster. You can only buy 1 handgun every 30 days.
When you're buying a firearm you'll have to fill federal form 4473, and pay DROS (Dealer Record of Sale) fee. Not sure how much is now, but last time I purchased a firearm it was $19.
You'll need a valid unexpired California driving license (REAL ID).
There's 10 day waiting period, but DOJ often fools around and it gets delayed. But never more than 30 days. The DROS status can come back OK, rejected, denied or undetermined.
If undetermined, it's up to dealer to sell or not.
Therefore is important to ask before purchase if they deliver on undetermined.
Also, buy yourself a lockable container (for transporting the handgun).
That's it. Go to gun range and make yourself familiar with the gun.
Then you apply for CCW permit.
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Bighorn, thank you for all the information.
Back when the guy tried to get into my room, I did try to go buy a gun. I studied for the firearm safety certificate and planned on taking that at the time of purchase.
I drove to a local gun store after they never answered - just on hold and no one ever came on the phone. I'd tried calling for a couple days, plus other stores. I drove to one and there was a two huge lines. One line out the door to the right and the other out the door and to the left.
I asked what the lines were for. One was to get in and look and the other was to pick up their guns. So I just left.
That was during covid and maybe it's different now.
Then I thought I could just buy one in Arizona when I went for a visit, but read that you can't do that and bring it into the state.
I'll get something eventually. I'll check local shops in a day or two to see how busy they are and if they require an appointment.
As far as shooting guns - I've done that off and on since I was a kid. Shotguns, rifles and semi-auto handguns. I'm a pretty good shot and I know how to shoot. Not proficiently like a cop or someone who trains. but more than good enough to shoot someone 10 feet away if needed. I know stress in that situation plays a big factor, but I'm pretty sure I could protect myself if needed.
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Only criminals can bring guns into California?
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nope. thousands of guns are brought in every day. just follow the laws. same as your state.
semp
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gg, if you live in the PDRK (peepuls demokratik repugnant of kaliophornya) you can buy a rifle or shotgun in AZ but not a pistol. Handgun sales are restricted to the state you legally reside in.
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Then I thought I could just buy one in Arizona when I went for a visit, but read that you can't do that and bring it into the state.
You can buy out of state, but the firearm has to be shipped by seller to CA FFL dealer where you can DROS it. Which usually means paying extra for shipping and storage fees.
I'll get something eventually. I'll check local shops in a day or two to see how busy they are and if they require an appointment.
It's largely back to normal.
Don't forget to buy ammo at the same time.
We can't buy ammo online or out of state anymore and you need to go through background check with every purchase. :(
Only criminals can bring guns into California?
Pretty much, same with the ammo. CA legislature is extremely anti-gun and each year they dream up some more toejamty anti-gun laws. Can't really tell how I feel about because it would lock the thread instantly.
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gg, if you live in the PDRK (peepuls demokratik repugnant of kaliophornya) you can buy a rifle or shotgun in AZ but not a pistol. Handgun sales are restricted to the state you legally reside in.
That's federal law, which also says FFLs can only sell in compliance with the buyer’s state laws and CA law says you can't do that.
CA says you can't go to another state, buy and bring back with you any firearms or ammo (black powder stuff being an exception).
All out of state purchases have to be shipped to CA FFL.
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Heya big,long time….. :aok
:salute
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Gun laws like all other laws are only for law abiding civilized among us..
The animal criminal element could care less...
Additional gun laws will do zero in lowering crimes committed with them...
To the op..9mm glock..that's if it gets past the pit bull
Eagler
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Gun laws like all other laws are only for law abiding civilized among us..
The animal criminal element could care less...
Additional gun laws will do zero in lowering crimes committed with them...
To the op..9mm glock..that's if it gets past the pit bull
Eagler
I bet the 4.65 I have in my bank account that you don't know any law abiding citizen. but you know lots of people who think the laws they broke aren't that important.
semp
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Keep your $5...not sure what circles you run in but I know plenty of law abiding citizens..I mean to the letter
Some post here just to see themselves speak it seems..you being one of the biggest
Eagler
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Some post here just to see themselves speak it seems..you being one of the biggest
Eagler
I could say the same thing about you. always complaining about one thing or another.
like your previous statement which is silly. laws are only for law abiding civilized among us. if there were no laws, we wouldn't have criminals either.
semp
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I could say the same thing about you. always complaining about one thing or another.
like your previous statement which is silly. laws are only for law abiding civilized among us. if there were no laws, we wouldn't have criminals either.
semp
What Eagler meant was that criminals don't abide by the law so any law passed really only affects the law abiding since they are the ones abiding by it. Laws also exist as a means to provide a legalized punishment for those that do wrong, like stealing or murder for instance. The existence of the laws doesn't prevent crime or create it. Crime exists because there is evil in the hearts of men. :old:
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Only the Shadow knows ... where the thread went outlaw. :D
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Thanks for explaining it to semp Elfie
Welcome back arblo :)
Eagler
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Thanks for explaining it to semp Elfie
Welcome back arblo :)
Eagler
Didn't go anywhere, Eag. Just watching the inevitable. :)
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Thanks for explaining it to semp Elfie
Welcome back arblo :)
Eagler
Short for Simpleton...... makes all the sense when you know that.
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What Eagler meant was that criminals don't abide by the law so any law passed really only affects the law abiding since they are the ones abiding by it. Laws also exist as a means to provide a legalized punishment for those that do wrong, like stealing or murder for instance. The existence of the laws doesn't prevent crime or create it. Crime exists because there is evil in the hearts of men. :old:
sorry but you are so wrong. not even funny Shuffler agrees with you.
let's take the crime of murder. you say it only affects the law abiding citizen, exactly how. you mean to say the only thing stopping you from killing is the law. that's some dark way of thinking.
but you are right, evil people can be evil. but you can be evil without committing a crime.
semp
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sorry but you are so wrong. not even funny Shuffler agrees with you.
let's take the crime of murder. you say it only affects the law abiding citizen, exactly how. you mean to say the only thing stopping you from killing is the law. that's some dark way of thinking.
but you are right, evil people can be evil. but you can be evil without committing a crime.
semp
What Eagler meant was that criminals don't abide by the law so any law passed really only affects the law abiding since they are the ones abiding by it. Laws also exist as a means to provide a legalized punishment for those that do wrong, like stealing or murder for instance. The existence of the laws doesn't prevent crime or create it. Crime exists because there is evil in the hearts of men.
I'm not sure how you arrive at that outcome, are you reading every 3rd word he typed?
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sorry, semp. You don't give good advice on CA. gun laws. lol
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The existence of the laws doesn't prevent crime or create it.
Technically both of these are wrong.
Laws in theory create crime because if there was not a law against something, it would not be a crime to do that thing. So if you create a law that makes something criminal, you are now creating crime.
In terms of prevent crime, laws don't prevent all crime but they do substantially minimize the probability or likelihood of someone committing a crime strictly out of fear. For example, if drinking while driving weren't a crime, many more people would do so without fear of repercussion and the possibility of issues happening in their own life (eg. jail time, losing job, losing license, etc.). But to my point, if DWI wasn't illegal, it would not be a crime to do so, so now that the law is in place, the law effectively created crime. :)
I will say, if someone wants to commit a crime or do something of that nature, they will find a way.
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I'm not sure how you arrive at that outcome, are you reading every 3rd word he typed?
was hoping somebody would catch the error of his own statement. I purposely didn't include it the first time.
but first a question, how is a law against murder affect me. I don't intend to commit murder.
but to expand on his statements. don't you think legalized punishment affects the criminal too. I mean they go to jail and I don't think it's a mild inconvenience.
semp
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(Well contingent upon where you ARE, you WON'T go to jail) The major point of his post was gun laws only affect legal owners/buyers, thus ineffective
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(Well contingent upon where you ARE, you WON'T go to jail) The major point of his post was gun laws only affect legal owners/buyers, thus ineffective
I never would have known that absolutely nobody has ever been arrested for breaking a gun law but for your post. ;)
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Laws in theory create crime because if there was not a law against something, it would not be a crime to do that thing. So if you create a law that makes something criminal, you are now creating crime.
In most cases the crime already exists, laws simply codify the crimes. Like the aforementioned crimes of stealing and murder, those things are already criminal in nature, laws simply codify them so we can punish the wrong doers.
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sorry but you are so wrong. not even funny Shuffler agrees with you.
let's take the crime of murder. you say it only affects the law abiding citizen, exactly how. you mean to say the only thing stopping you from killing is the law. that's some dark way of thinking.
but you are right, evil people can be evil. but you can be evil without committing a crime.
semp
You should probably read what I wrote again because what you're saying here doesn't really match up to what I said.
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was hoping somebody would catch the error of his own statement. I purposely didn't include it the first time.
but first a question, how is a law against murder affect me. I don't intend to commit murder.
but to expand on his statements. don't you think legalized punishment affects the criminal too. I mean they go to jail and I don't think it's a mild inconvenience.
semp
Why do you think the criminal goes to jail? It's certainly not because he was abiding by the laws. The law didn't affect his behavior, if it had, he wouldn't be sitting in jail next to his new wife Hubba Bubba.
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Too much philosophy. Not enough gun pics.
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Too much philosophy. Not enough gun pics.
And I wonder how in earth almost every topic turns to an argue. Tolerants tolerating..? :confused:
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If the thousands of gun laws actually deterred criminals from getting/using firearms, there wouldn't be as much gun crime as there actually is.
How many times have you seen a person arrested for some criminal act like robbery that also gets charged for being a felon in possession of a firearm?
Obviously, the prohibition on felons possessing firearms doesn't deter the thousands of criminals that get caught committing some other crime from possessing firearms.
Thus what BJ said. The thousands of gun laws essentially deter...no one. Criminals ignore those laws.
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The real purpose of all those gun laws isn't to deter crime but to deter gun ownership.
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How many times have you seen a person arrested for some criminal act like robbery that also gets charged for being a felon in possession of a firearm?
Did not take long find this based on the criteria:
1.) Arrested (eg. found, not still investigating)
2.) Armed Robbery (have to have a firearm to be charged with a firearm crime)
3.) Charged with criminal possession of a weapon
https://www.nyspnews.com/state-police-arrest-queensbury-man-after-armed-robbery.htm
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Heya big,long time….. :aok
Howdy Morf, How's life treating you? Hope all is well! :old:
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Sig Sauer P220st .45acp/super
Sig Sauer P229 .40S&W
Sig Sauer P239 .40S&W
All 3 are listed on my California CCW permit but I typically carry my Sig Sauer P239.