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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: perdue3 on September 25, 2022, 06:33:09 AM
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Off to the Mediterranean for October. Please see the event details and make adjustments to your commitment levels and side preferences.
http://www.ahevents.net/index.php/fso-setups/38-mediterranean-theatre/1324-of-decisive-importance-operation-pedestal
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Bet we'll have a huge attendance for this one
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The Allied CV's seemed very fragile in this FSO. Was the hardness lowered for this FSO?
The last frame it was not possible to setup a defense because we were 5 or 6 sectors from the boat. Is there some reason we could not have launched from the CV group? It's my understanding historically the Spits took off from the CV group.
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The Allied CV's seemed very fragile in this FSO. Was the hardness lowered for this FSO?
The last frame it was not possible to setup a defense because we were 5 or 6 sectors from the boat. Is there some reason we could not have launched from the CV group? It's my understanding historically the Spits took off from the CV group.
The CV and all ships were supposed to be set to MA hardness. If they were not, this was an oversight that I and the staff are apologetic for. However, I am fairly certain, they were set to MA standards.
Although a challenge, it was possible for Spitfires to reach the CV in time. This frame was certainly the most challenging for the Allies as they were asked to do a bulk of the defending with their FAA aircraft since the Spitfires from Furious had already been launched and sent to Malta. Many sorties (some 400) were flown during the week by Spitfires from Malta. This was simulating one of them. The reason why they could not launch from the boat is because they did not fly combat sorties from the CV, only the sortie to Malta on the 11th of August. While your understanding of the Spits rolling from the CV is correct, they did not perform defensive duties on that sortie and instead flew directly to Malta. In Frame 2, we allowed them to roll from the CV AND defend the CV as a way to add fun and playability to the event. That aspect was completely inaccurate and historically, there should have been no Spit 5s in Frame 2.
The remainder of the operation was one of a supply run, mostly aviation fuel and ordnance. However, many Spitfires saw action over the convoy, but those sorties were from Malta. Frame 3 was to be a representation of August 13. This was a larger attack and defensive work done almost solely by the FAA from the carriers in the operation. However, many Spitfires did provide cover from Malta. In the event, the CiC was faced with a tactical dilemma: roll Spits from Malta in hopes of getting there in time and defending the CV or stack the CV defense in hopes of successfully intercepting the Axis. In the end, Frame 3 was the closest frame and the only frame in which the Allies won.
Thank you for your input and interest in our events. I am always happy to discuss balance, designs, etc. with players. If I had to do it again, I would move the CV route closer to Sicily in Frame 2, and closer to Malta in Frame 3. These events, like many aspects of Western culture, cannot improve without criticism. Every event has the potential to be outstanding and to be a dud. Without proper feedback, we designers cannot judge it. So thank you :salute.
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I sank a CV with a peeder and it was FUN as hell.
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I sank a CV with a peeder and it was FUN as hell.
Glad to hear it was fun, Darkwood.
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Well Perdweed,considering your CO of one the squads that bounced us on the only possible route along the 6 sectors we had to fly to get to the fleet, I'm not buying that long and disingenuous load. Will not be flying any fso your involved as Cm .
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The 3rd frame appears to be a predetermined design to prevent a defense to form so I would suggest this be avoided in all future designs. I think you are correct about moving the ships a little closer. We want to have a good offense and a good defense, so we have a good battle :). Thanks for your explanation. :salute
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As the setup CM all CV's were set to MA standards.
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As the setup CM all CV's were set to MA standards.
Hat's off to the buff drivers.
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Well Perdweed,considering your CO of one the squads that bounced us on the only possible route along the 6 sectors we had to fly to get to the fleet, I'm not buying that long and disingenuous load. Will not be flying any fso your involved as Cm .
True, I am the CO of an Axis squad. It is also true that we targeted Spits in the frame that were enroute the CV. I won't repeat what I said earlier to Strike. But, there was a tactical conundrum to be solved. Do you stack the defense with your CV aircraft or try to make it with a lot of Spits? The Axis put a lot of eggs in the Spit basket as we expected the Allies to roll a lot of Spits instead of going the safe route and flying off the boats. In the end, it did not work for the Axis as the Allies won the frame. It was also the only frame that the Allies won.
I am sorry that you feel my long response was disingenuous, I can assure you it was not. I do not appreciate being called partial as a designer, I am anything but partial. But, from your perspective, I can see where you could make that judgment. I'm very sorry that Frame 3 was not fun for you and that it has tarnished your view of FSO. I promise, it was not my intention to make it favor one side over the other. I will do my utmost in the future to ensure this is obvious. Designing CMs are all objective, impartial, and do everything in their ability to ensure every event us balanced, fair, and interesting for the player base.
Sadly, sometimes we miss as designers. Some events look good on paper and do not play very well in the arena. Sometimes what seems awesome in our minds does not always end up that way in the event. I apologize for delivering a lackluster event for you. I appreciate the feedback as always.
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Well Perdweed,considering your CO of one the squads that bounced us on the only possible route along the 6 sectors we had to fly to get to the fleet, I'm not buying that long and disingenuous load. Will not be flying any fso your involved as Cm .
My group was flying right next Perdweebs group as per our orders. We all got there at the same time.
These guys usually put on a good event. True the plane set did suck but it was FUN either way.
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The 3rd frame appears to be a predetermined design to prevent a defense to form so I would suggest this be avoided in all future designs. I think you are correct about moving the ships a little closer. We want to have a good offense and a good defense, so we have a good battle :). Thanks for your explanation. :salute
It was not predetermined as the Aliied CiC was expected to solve the issue at hand. Had the CiC rolled only a handful of Spits and put 40+ on defense from the CV, it would have been a slaughter. The Axis sent about 20 109s to cut off Spits which there could have been zero of. There was no prevention of defense as the Allies could have rolled all F4F and Hurricanes if they wanted.
I understand your complaint and I think it is warranted. The action should have been a little closer in both frames. But, to argue accuracy or partiality is incorrect. I appreciate your feedback and urge you to always leave feedback on FSO designs. It really helps them improve.
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My group was flying right next Perdweebs group as per our orders. We all got there at the same time.
These guys usually put on a good event. True the plane set did suck but it was FUN either way.
Early war setups need love, too! C'est la vie.
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I was escorting Ju88s in C202s. We were fighting spits off while the bombs were dropping. There were massive clouds of Hurris pouring into the attack as well. Oddly enough, one trio out the front (Goldy) was pounced by a staggering amount of Hurris. This let the others get close enough to drop. Not a whole lot of them got away.
Spits weren't necessary. Way over-kill. Still they were in the frame and despite not having time to get there, from the logs, they managed more than 20 Ju88 kills.
Willing to play frame again, same sides, with Spit V and C202 swap.
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It was not predetermined as the Aliied CiC was expected to solve the issue at hand. Had the CiC rolled only a handful of Spits and put 40+ on defense from the CV, it would have been a slaughter. The Axis sent about 20 109s to cut off Spits which there could have been zero of. There was no prevention of defense as the Allies could have rolled all F4F and Hurricanes if they wanted.
I understand your complaint and I think it is warranted. The action should have been a little closer in both frames. But, to argue accuracy or partiality is incorrect. I appreciate your feedback and urge you to always leave feedback on FSO designs. It really helps them improve.
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Thank you for your replies Perdweeb.
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Well Perdweed,considering your CO of one the squads that bounced us on the only possible route along the 6 sectors we had to fly to get to the fleet, I'm not buying that long and disingenuous load. Will not be flying any fso your involved as Cm .
To any squad that thinks they can cherry pick FSO participation I refer you to this. Squads are required to participate in all the frames
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To any squad that thinks they can cherry pick FSO participation I refer you to this. Squads are required to participate in all the frames
Just so we are clear :). The AK squad never had plans to avoid any FSO's.
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My comment was never aimed at one squad. Just a reminder that while we all have moments. We also have a commitment to all players that we show up. AK's have a long and honorable tradition with FSO. Honestly until you mentioned AK's I did not know the quote I used was even an AK.
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My comment was never aimed at one squad. Just a reminder that while we all have moments. We also have a commitment to all players that we show up. AK's have a long and honorable tradition with FSO. Honestly until you mentioned AK's I did not know the quote I used was even an AK.
Understood. I really do appreciate all the work the CM team does month in and month out.
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Thank you for your replies Perdweeb.
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My pleasure.