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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1Cane on October 13, 2022, 07:35:29 PM
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Nicholas Cruz shot and killed 17 people. If there ever was a case for someone to be executed after killing unarmed civilians, this is the one. All of these murders occurred on a school ground which is a gun free zone. So, my question is how many you have to kill before you earn the death penalty?
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didn't a guy killed a couple, shed some tears and went home?
semp
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Nicholas Cruz shot and killed 17 people. If there ever was a case for someone to be executed after killing unarmed civilians, this is the one. All of these murders occurred on a school ground which is a gun free zone. So, my question is how many you have to kill before you earn the death penalty?
If it was you, would you prefer death or living some 50 or so years in prison?
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If it was you, would you prefer death or living some 50 or so years in prison?
You will rarely find a death row inmate who chooses death over life imprisonment. It happens occasionally, but most people want to hang on as long as they can. No matter where they're residing.
As a young lawyer (yes, I know, way back when), I was surprised to see how many people are quite comfortable in prison.
- oldman
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You will rarely find a death row inmate who chooses death over life imprisonment. It happens occasionally, but most people want to hang on as long as they can. No matter where they're residing.
As a young lawyer (yes, I know, way back when), I was surprised to see how many people are quite comfortable in prison.
- oldman
comfortable in prison? not even close.
semp
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You will rarely find a death row inmate who chooses death over life imprisonment. It happens occasionally, but most people want to hang on as long as they can. No matter where they're residing.
As a young lawyer (yes, I know, way back when), I was surprised to see how many people are quite comfortable in prison.
- oldman
I would say he is going to be a butt boy.
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comfortable in prison? not even close.
semp
Some people prefer the regimented lifestyle behind bars.
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Some people prefer the regimented lifestyle behind bars.
some, most would rather not be there. from the really bad food to if a guard don't like you to nobody likes you.
semp
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Shooting and killing 17 people shouldnt even have the option of life in prison. The only punishment available should be immediate execution.
Same for people that murder someone and claim they are retarded and shouldnt be punished. If a retard kills someone, they are just as guilty as someone that is not retarded. And mentally insane is the same as mentally retarded.
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If that doesn't get the death penalty nothing will...
Brain dead jurors bought the drunk mother while pregnant brain damage bs and voted for life
The victims families are very upset
The world is a sheet show these days...1 hour of news proves that daily
Eagler
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When my father owned a dairy, we kept a loaded rifle to shoot coyotes or dogs that went after our cows or calf's. It was our job and lively hood to care and protect the herd. I don't hate dogs as long as they don't harm the herd but when they do, they must be destroyed. The same goes for society as long as you don't harm someone live in peace, when you kill a member justice must be harsh and fatal to the offender! :cheers:
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Heck we are going the other way...see crap hole Chicago for where some want to go
https://wgnradio.com/news/on-january-1st-2023-illinois-jails-will-turn-many-prisoners-loose/
https://www.kfvs12.com/2022/09/07/illinois-set-eliminate-cash-bail-2023/
Backwards imo
Eagler
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Yep its going to get bad here. Criminals are not allowed to be punished for their crimes. I can not say anything more because the certain select few people here will report me for speaking the truth
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There's an argument to be made for releasing non-violent offenders, but of course they took that simple concept and the next thing you know they are releasing criminals awaiting trial with no bail who pistol-whip women on the subway, then releasing them aGAIN so they can murder people
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My personal opinion is the parkland shooter should be put down. Given the system we have in place that means year upon years of expensive to tax payer appeals before the sentence is executed. That also allows the appeals to end up reducing the time in prison depending on judges who are also "liberal activists". Why this guy got life without parole, I do not know. I assume since the families are upset that there was a death penalty option but do not know the instructions given to the jurors.
For me, I have found that true evil does exist in this world and the only way to conclusively protect the society from an identified evil person such as this shooter is to remove him from existence. There is a 100% chance that he will not re-offend or endanger anyone in that case. Every other sentence option cannot maintain the same claim. When in custody, escape is always a possibility, as is sentence reduction / parole / pardon even for life without parole. Governors and presidents do stupid things at times at the end of their term.
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When my brother was heinously murdered (est. over 120 blows to head, arms, torso, legs from hands/feet/possibly pipe or pipe wrench) our county attorney’s had to explain to my family that juries are extremely reluctant to give guilty verdict knowing the potential sentence of death is on the table.
When the prosecution makes an agreement with the defense that if convicted they won’t seek death penalty from the judge, it’s then much more likely to get a conviction.
Modern day juries (average people) don’t want to feel responsible for the death of the convicted no matter how much they abhor them on the whole.
Stark contrast to less than 100 yrs ago when public hangings drew crowds (last public hanging 1936).
Every attorney (too many) I’ve met would never sacrifice getting a guilty verdict vs acquittal on Murder 1 over life w/out parole vs capital punishment.
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Yep its going to get bad here. Criminals are not allowed to be punished for their crimes. I can not say anything more because the certain select few people here will report me for speaking the truth
he got a life sentence. he'll never see the outside again. how is that not a punishment.
semp
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RotBaron sorry about your brother. I know it's hard.
but if we go back to hanging like we did 100 years ago what kind of society do you want? I know we don't have a perfect criminal system, but sometimes damn, it's out of control, some guilty go free and innocent spend decades on death row only to be told sorry we made A mistake.
I know a person that went to jail because he didn't answer his phone and was released with no charges.
semp
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He wont make 5 years in prison. Someone in the population will see to it.
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I don't know if lawyers ask potential jurors about capital punishment during Voir dire; but if they do not, the odds of finding 12 people that agree on the death penalty are small.
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Death should be handed out far more often and happen far sooner.
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RotBaron sorry about your brother. I know it's hard.
but if we go back to hanging like we did 100 years ago what kind of society do you want? I know we don't have a perfect criminal system, but sometimes damn, it's out of control, some guilty go free and innocent spend decades on death row only to be told sorry we made A mistake.
I know a person that went to jail because he didn't answer his phone and was released with no charges.
semp
I want a society where the law-abiding aren't held hostage to criminals, which is where this one is trending
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he got a life sentence. he'll never see the outside again. how is that not a punishment.
semp
Because he still breathes while 17 kids do not...
1000's are still morning and will until they die
He confessed to the killings...planned it out..
Purchased the gun himself..but he was bullied as he was a nut job kid himself
A new recent change now requires all jurors to vote unanimously for death or it can't be given
Been on a couple of juries..
Each one had at least one total moron in it...one for a meth dealer they had on tape and struggled to get him convicted as one moron wasn't convinced and drug it out another day...
If he confessed he admits his guilt
Either you have the death penalty for crimes like this or it should be removed as a choice of possible punishment
I am glad his mug will now be removed from the evening news as he is disgusting to look at knowing what he did and the possible copycats he might inspire
I feel for the victims families and friends
Eagler
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I want a society where the law-abiding aren't held hostage to criminals, which is where this one is trending
who is holding you hostage.. second amendment don't you believe in it
semp
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Death should be handed out far more often and happen far sooner.
120 persons have gotten the death penalty and have been released after decades because they were innocent. makes you wonder how many innocent were executed.
semp
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Shouldnt of even had the option for life in prison. Judge should of out right said that you will be sentenced to death for the murder of 17 children. $200 will buy some lumber and a rope. Sentenced to death by hanging. A lot less of a mess to clean up if killed by firing squad, and electricity is too high to fry them. Lethal injection way too expensive.
Hangman tree perfect green solution for death penalty. Made by renewable resources, takes no electricity to use, can be used many many times for its cost, and once it is no longer usable, wood can be ground up into mulch or repurposed into something else. But certain people will say its inhumane, ignoring the fact the murderer inhumanely killed their victims. It hurts their feelings for criminals to be punished for their crimes.
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https://www.aol.com/news/parkland-shooter-prosecutors-call-probe-132917761-171409910.html
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — Prosecutors in the case of Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz are calling for an investigation after a juror said she felt threatened by another member of the jury during deliberations that ended Thursday with a life sentence for Cruz's murder of 17 people.
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some, most would rather not be there. from the really bad food to if a guard don't like you to nobody likes you.
semp
Unless you've been there, how would you know any of this?
When I was stationed in Alaska there was a scandal when it came out that dirtbags in the prison system ate better than most Alaskan's did, steak one night a week, seafood another.
One of my brothers was convicted of 3 felonies at the same time, he did 1 year in county lockup in Santa Barbara California. He said there were guys that wanted to stay inside simply because they didn't want to be on the outside for various reasons. He also mentioned that as long as you obey the rules in jail/prison it can be fairly easy to serve your time.
Incidentally, my brother is now a member of the Denver chapter of Hell's Angels.
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Unless you've been there, how would you know any of this?
When I was stationed in Alaska there was a scandal when it came out that dirtbags in the prison system ate better than most Alaskan's did, steak one night a week, seafood another.
One of my brothers was convicted of 3 felonies at the same time, he did 1 year in county lockup in Santa Barbara California. He said there were guys that wanted to stay inside simply because they didn't want to be on the outside for various reasons. He also mentioned that as long as you obey the rules in jail/prison it can be fairly easy to serve your time.
Incidentally, my brother is now a member of the Denver chapter of Hell's Angels.
like you said unless you have been there. and the food sucks. not sure why in Alaska they had steak and lobster. but sure as hell I didn't.
semp
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Seems to me that the discussion is mute. The Judicial System worked. 12 Jurors convicted and sentenced the offender. I don't agree with the decision; but I respect the process.
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RotBaron sorry about your brother. I know it's hard.
but if we go back to hanging like we did 100 years ago what kind of society do you want? I know we don't have a perfect criminal system, but sometimes damn, it's out of control, some guilty go free and innocent spend decades on death row only to be told sorry we made A mistake.
I know a person that went to jail because he didn't answer his phone and was released with no charges.
semp
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest level of certainty and that burden of proof rests solely on the prosecution. It is often explained to juries, that few (if any) things in this world can be proven without doubt. Prosecutors usually will go to great lengths to make sure the jury understands this especially when the defense attorney(s) have spoken about burden of proof.
The prosecution usually has to fight tooth and nail during admission of evidence (what the judge decides here can significantly effect the verdict).
Getting witnesses to cooperate (appear/speak truthFULLY)is often another huge hurdle for the prosecution.
There are also other obstacles, like jury deliberation instructions. This justice system(laws) forces the prosecution to have so many hurdles so as to prevent innocent from being convicted. Imo, they get it right 99.9% of the time in murder trials, less so with lesser charges and lower burden of proof.
No, it’s not a perfect system, but there isn’t a better one in the world. The stringent burden(s) are to prevent innocent being found guilty at the sake of 10’s of thousands guilty going free.
Since having to sit through 4 murder trial for two vile tweakers, I’ve always felt everyone should sit in on a couple days of pre-trial/evidentiary hearings and a couple days of witness testimony, most people would be in absolute awe, especially when the judges orders the jury recessed for unexpected events.
The show Law & Order did a great job on the humanistic side of things for the victims, but court room scenes are just too simplified and abbreviated.
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I see nothing barbaric about a public hanging and feel it used to be quite a deterrent to see the gallows. It’s considerably more humane than what many middle eastern countries still do.
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Every day I'm in a jail or prison somewhere. It ain't no Olive Garden, but it's good enough, I eat it now and again
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All for bringing back Cool Hand Luke work gangs again
Get the creeps out of their air conditioning and cable tv rooms and put their criminal rear ends to work.
Mirrored sunglasses, shotguns and dogs..all of it
It has become too comfortable for many .. get some work out of them for the taxpayers free room and board
I also believe in karma and reincarnation...
This boy is in for a ton of pain as it comes back to him in reverse form...we don't ever get away with anything negative just as we are always rewarded for positive good works eventually imo
Eagler
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I don't know if lawyers ask potential jurors about capital punishment during Voir dire; but if they do not, the odds of finding 12 people that agree on the death penalty are small.
Having served on a potential death penalty jury in the last year (TX vs Auld) I can tell you that in TX and AZ they DO tell prospective jurors that it is a potential death penalty and the prosecutor does use a strike on a juror that says they could not or would not consider delivering that decision. In the trial last year the jury came back with a guilty verdict in less than 3 hours of deliberation. As a result, the defense atty decided that because of the quick decision they would rather have the judge decide penalty vs the obviously convinced of guilt jury.
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My personal opinion is the parkland shooter should be put down. Given the system we have in place that means year upon years of expensive to tax payer appeals before the sentence is executed. That also allows the appeals to end up reducing the time in prison depending on judges who are also "liberal activists". Why this guy got life without parole, I do not know. I assume since the families are upset that there was a death penalty option but do not know the instructions given to the jurors.
For me, I have found that true evil does exist in this world and the only way to conclusively protect the society from an identified evil person such as this shooter is to remove him from existence. There is a 100% chance that he will not re-offend or endanger anyone in that case. Every other sentence option cannot maintain the same claim. When in custody, escape is always a possibility, as is sentence reduction / parole / pardon even for life without parole. Governors and presidents do stupid things at times at the end of their term.
I'm with Mav. Good post and you coming from a law enforcement background, your post makes sense to me.