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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Dadtallica on June 08, 2023, 10:17:00 AM
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I know this is highly dependent on what you’re shooting at, shooting with, and shooting in but I want to hear your scenarios. What part of the plane are you aiming for and does your ammo or ride alter that.
I’m not really good enough in fighter to be as surgical as some of you so I just unload my wad when I’m close enough to someone. Makes riding the subway tough but works ok for cartoon planes.
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Majority of shots are behind their target
Best to aim with more lead than you think you need
Cockpit is best as plane explodes when you kill the pilot but a wing or stabilizer removal results in the same thing
Eagler
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Hitting bombers aiming for the wing roots from above, cockpit HO is good if you can get the position. Don't close slow and steady from their 6 or you may as well stay on the ground, a good gunner can wipe you out from 2 k that way.
Fighters im aiming squarely at the centre mass of cockpit
cannons are good but if I have 50s I just get up real close.
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Bombers I like to aim for the wingroot or the cockpit. Wingroot starts fires, and cockpit is pilot wound or instant death.
Fighters I aim for the cockpit, but I am a well known "misser of many opportunities" due to my terrible aim, but I do try for these spots :D
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Generally speaking I'm a fan of pointing the nose ahead of them and putting out a bullet stream for them to run into. Particularly with cannons, and even more particularly with 30mm and up. Pulling Gs makes everything hit low, and I believe that is magnified the slower the round is. This is particularly noticeable when you've got multiple types of guns firing at the same time.
An all .50s equipped plane, your rounds are going to be in the same vicinity if you're pulling when you fire. Something like an A8 with 30mm, 20mm, and 12mm if you're pulling Gs, everything is going to be a different amount low, so only part of your bullet stream will hit. Unloaded, they're all reasonably grouped up.
With the above in mind, I aim for the nose to hopefully reduce the "shoot behind" tendency Eagler mentioned, and also that puts the longest portion of the plane in the bullet stream. With the above tactic, hitting a wing only puts a couple rounds into it.
With bombers, I either go for the cockpit or the wingroot. With the exception of the B29, which I aim for the wingtip because they seem very fragile.
YMMV
Wiley.
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If you're missing a lot of shots try doubling your lead. That should at least get you in front of the target.
Unload G to reduce dispersion.
Nose guns don't have the convergence issues of wing guns. Wing guns are more picky about range.
Aim small, miss small. Don't aim for the cockpit, aim for the pilot head. Aim for the center of the wing root.
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Until I switched to vr I shot at the blip under the icon as the plane was so tiny
Since vr I can actually target specific places on the plane
Eagler
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There are a few things I do to help with aim.
1. Setting up your shots with crossing shots rather than direct 6 lead shots. It takes practice and merge techniques, but imo, is much more beneficial. If you are direct 6 shooting, it opens up a bigger chance of getting picked. It also means they can go left or right and down relative to cross infront of your sites using a crossing\snap shot and then checking 6 incase of pickers.
2. Set convergence out further. A low convergence means you have to lead further than a higher one. I normally use 400 for cannons and between 375-450 for 50 cals.
3. Use your rudder. I have peddles and hate the twisty, the rudder helps yaw your nose to get a shot faster, and helps you get your nose down faster if the try to nose down turn. This helps you get the crossing shot better rather than the lead shot. Rudder is extremely useful for getting a shot.
5. With 50s you need about 1 second of bullets in a stream and located generally in one area of the plane. The wing is generally the best place for 50s as all the bullets streamline and weigh it down causing it to rip off.
6. For cannons, again always good to streamline but it takes less and more of a lead, so crossing shots are much more important.
As with aiming any plane. Try to get your nose to where they will cross and then hold the trigger down for a second or 2. If you overshoot, turn off to the other direction or immediately do a strong virtical immelman up over the top for a spiral rope if you see they are going for the reversal.
All the best,
:salute
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Hey Dmon great notes thank you!
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Until I switched to vr I shot at the blip under the icon as the plane was so tiny
Since vr I can actually target specific places on the plane
Eagler
The time I've spent in VR so far this has turned out to be very true. When I switched back to 2d to get all my settings on my sticks right where I want them and memorized my aim was WAY off.
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One more point. Fly the same aircraft for awhile learn where to put your bullets. In a Spit for example, the target is under the nose when you shoot. Your guessing he's going to fly into your bullets. That's if your around 400 or father away. Get with in 200 and your aiming at the plane.
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If you're missing a lot of shots try doubling your lead. That should at least get you in front of the target.
Unload G to reduce dispersion.
Nose guns don't have the convergence issues of wing guns. Wing guns are more picky about range.
Aim small, miss small. Don't aim for the cockpit, aim for the pilot head. Aim for the center of the wing root.
THIS THIS THIS! My many hours in a Wirb teach the same lesson. Lead more than you might believe will work. I do believe, that lesson carried over to Dog Fights. The lead, seems to be so far it doesnt make sense at times.
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Most of my kills in game...Deflection Shots...under D-400. I say D-400 because that is typically how close I can maneuver to. This leads to Convergence Settings. As I mentioned in another of your questions...UNIVERSAL Gun Sights are also a good idea. Set your convergence at the range, you usually can maneuver to. YA YA...you think of me as Spixteen Dweeb :bolt: but my convergence is at 300...and still get hit out to 800+ . Bro, I gotta say! IIR, returning OG? AKA Old Guy? lol You get tougher to kill every week! Just the other evening or so..."That is Starpig. VH is down...yeah Starpig....He Got The Ammo Bunkers too?" My hit sprite/flash on your wings and field ack = Dadtallica? Holy "STUFF! He is getting his groove back!" More than a few of my fellow Bish mirrored my statement ...Mike115, OldAngus, Aleric, Horrido, Damphyno...I could call for a Roll Call :x "Starpig? NOPE!" I knew it wasnt him, because he didnt run away! This guy will fight! As he should! Medium Air Base, got VH AND AMMO....he had better fight! He aint gonna land it! lol Paraphrased in unison🤣 Hope you can follow my rambling text :uhoh
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Lol thanks. I’m not usually interested in flying back a long ways so I just keep hitting stuff. In loaded P47 I can usually pork a medium base completely. My plane is usually tore up after all the ack but I don’t mind.
I enjoy my tangles with most people! :salute
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Most of my kills in game...Deflection Shots...under D-400. I say D-400 because that is typically how close I can maneuver to. This leads to Convergence Settings. As I mentioned in another of your questions...UNIVERSAL Gun Sights are also a good idea. Set your convergence at the range, you usually can maneuver to. YA YA...you think of me as Spixteen Dweeb :bolt: but my convergence is at 300...and still get hit out to 800+ . Bro, I gotta say! IIR, returning OG? AKA Old Guy? lol You get tougher to kill every week! Just the other evening or so..."That is Starpig. VH is down...yeah Starpig....He Got The Ammo Bunkers too?" My hit sprite/flash on your wings and field ack = Dadtallica? Holy "STUFF! He is getting his groove back!" More than a few of my fellow Bish mirrored my statement ...Mike115, OldAngus, Aleric, Horrido, Damphyno...I could call for a Roll Call :x "Starpig? NOPE!" I knew it wasnt him, because he didnt run away! This guy will fight! As he should! Medium Air Base, got VH AND AMMO....he had better fight! He aint gonna land it! lol Paraphrased in unison🤣 Hope you can follow my rambling text :uhoh
Thwarted a bunch of Bish base takes this Friday night by dumping VH’s lol! Plenty of dars and ords too! Don’t worry I spent an hour doing the same to the Knights. :salute :bolt:
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Thwarted a bunch of Bish base takes this Friday night by dumping VH’s lol! Plenty of dars and ords too! Don’t worry I spent an hour doing the same to the Knights. :salute :bolt:
Eh! No worries Brother! PORK ON :devil Was one of the best Nights in several weeks.Bish Snuck A-11 while furballing at another base. Battle for A11,insued for the next 3 hours!!! IIR, pretty sure A-11?You porked us several times...fine by me! Rearm Pad is my friend! Vh=dead Ammo=dead...that is when Me and My Spit XVI and her 3 bombs, enjoy the $15 a month! :devil :rofl Mindy,"A-@@@ looks like it has a rash?" She is in Med School, oughta know? My smart arse retorts,"You mean Chiggers?" She is from Texas...and she didnt argue my point. WIN!!!!!!!! :devil
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Darn I always forget those rearm buildings.
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Darn I always forget those rearm buildings.
I don't think taking it out has any impact on re-arming. I'll admit I'm not sure about that though, I'll have to test it offline.
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I don't think taking it out has any impact on re-arming. I'll admit I'm not sure about that though, I'll have to test it offline.
I heard it did but do not know for sure.
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I heard it did but do not know for sure.
NOPE! No effect! This fact has led to more than a few moments of consternation. :devil "How many bombs does a Spit 16 carry? CHEATER!" "Uh, 3...small ones?" :rofl A Spit 16 can kill a Tiger 2..OH BOY..the names I am called :rofl
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I used to follow the school of "aim small, hit big". Going for the cockpit in fighters and cockpit or fuel tanks in bombers.
With eyesight getting worse every year, I ended up just shooting at that area below that blurry red icon over there...
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I used to follow the school of "aim small, hit big". Going for the cockpit in fighters and cockpit or fuel tanks in bombers.
With eyesight getting worse every year, I ended up just shooting at that area below that blurry red icon over there...
:uhoh You are a whippersnapper/young'n! Didnt you just have a kid.........wait a minute.......IIR? He was starting School..your First excuse as to not gonna be on much? WHAT THE ACTUAL????? That was how many years ago? Dang, my Boy was 28 on the 9th...and your's is how old? Explains the hair loss!!! 😁 You were a better man than I!! If had found this game, when my kids were young...LAWD HELP ME :devil My kids would still be in Diapers, on 'Sippy Cups' and maybe even pacifiers? :rofl Then again...you MOST DEFINITELY have a better Baby Momma than I did!!! Being as you came back..for a bit. She had your "SIX"? Tell her I said, I love her! CRUD!!! I didnt mean it THAT WAY...dont you dare hound me in a 262!🤣 :aok
Love ya Bro,
BW1stpar/ULCapkid
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@dmonSlyr "Use your rudder. I have peddles and hate the twisty, the rudder helps yaw your nose to get a shot faster, and helps you get your nose down faster if the try to nose down turn. This helps you get the crossing shot better rather than the lead shot. Rudder is extremely useful for getting a shot."
Same advice Demonsl...VIOLATOR(now what did I do with my Rap e Whistle :devil) gave my CO In Blackwidow Squad! BWDelta," Dude! Violator gave me some tips in the 109!" "Really? " :uhoh I was BWDelta's wingman..as ordered for this FSO. It was just before the BlackWidows last time in FSO...The advice helped us all!
The Private Arena, before FSO..you know...to practice? :furious THE AF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Me, Taxman,Nofear,Cruiser,ETC, RickG and Edpat..."TF how you do that?" "PAR........SHHHHHHHHHHH...his #1 advice...RUDDER! That girl(the 109) loves to be tossed around the sky. He was Negative G...Rudder...Negative G...Rudder on and on."
I was 1 year in game.."Do what?" "Never mind Par. You will die, just like I did! (with implied :bhead sentiments). He then commences to VIOLATE US....like you would have! :rofl :rofl :rofl
Awesome memory! LOL AND THAT is why I never felt too bad...picking you in My Spity :bolt: :rofl Damn I miss those days/Fellers :rock
Love ya Brother,
BW1stpar/ULCapkid
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Unload G to reduce dispersion.
I've always had a difficult time wrapping my head around this. Say I'm in lead pursuit approaching from hi 10:00. I'm pushing for neg G's with an aim point in front of my target. My guns are set to D400. As I'm approaching D500.....I'm supposed to neutralize the stick (unload G's) and fire? Seems to me that the bandit will be passing thru the sim point before the rounds will. If I doube or triple the aim point further out, isn't that now becoming a crap shoot?
Please explain this so even a moron can grasp it :x
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Unloading the airframe will reduce the “G” effect on the rounds,which is a good thing. I always suggest practicing with the lead calculating gun site but instead of shooting work on your site picture. Try different attack angles and place the LCG on your pipper, then look to see where the enemy A/C is in relation to that.
You can do this offline with the drones but they fly a predictable flight path,it’s better to grab a buddy and do this in the TA or a custom arena. Then toggle the LCG off and take some shots and have your buddy report your results. The bonus is you both can do this and work on defence at the same time.
When I’m feeling better I’ll try to announce when I’m going to be in the TA to help anyone who’s interested. This likely won’t happen until after the summer is over as the doctors are poking and prodding me for another month or so.
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I've always had a difficult time wrapping my head around this. Say I'm in lead pursuit approaching from hi 10:00. I'm pushing for neg G's with an aim point in front of my target. My guns are set to D400. As I'm approaching D500.....I'm supposed to neutralize the stick (unload G's) and fire? Seems to me that the bandit will be passing thru the sim point before the rounds will. If I doube or triple the aim point further out, isn't that now becoming a crap shoot?
Please explain this so even a moron can grasp it :x
To give a "laymans" point of view on this....
Picture a garden hose, the water coming out is your stream of bullets.
If you unload your Gs its like pointing in one spot, your drowning that tulip your pointing at but if a bird flies through you stream your going to knock that sucker out of the air because it a pile of water at that moment the water and bird meet.
Now lets say you see a bird flying by and the devil on your shoulder say "nail that sucker!" youll be swinging an arc trying to hit him. Firstyour wasting water "DAMN THAT DEVIL!", and if you should hit him it will only be for a fraction of a second and your water wont so much be a stream, but broken apart droples all falling away, so the bird poops on your head as he continues on.
Now there is a third scenario but this is very rare do to the fact of differing speeds, alts views and so on, but there are time that you can get your stream to hit the target and by some miracle you match his speed, angle, direction, everything and even tho you are hitting him with a stream of droplets you do this for a full second or two. This is when the bird gets knocked into the house, bounces off the ground and you can roll him down the sidewalk to the gutter in the street while that devil is laughing his @zz off the whole time. :devil
The point is hitting unloaded gives you a "clump" of round for the target to fly into. Spraying in an arc "G loaded" means you pepper him with rounds in a larger area (nose to tail, vs all rounds in the engine)
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Good analogy Fugi! It paints a clearer picture of the process.
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Good analogy Fugi! It paints a clearer picture of the process.
I suppose next your going to want a cartoon! :neener:
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Hey thanks again for all the great notes everyone keep them coming.
FYI I still shoot like Mr. Magoo :joystick:
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I suppose next your going to want a cartoon! :neener:
Well...........;........TeeArr, OlShakey, Scabs, AlfOmega, Nedermyr, Shingles, Kinego + + + + is back again with a new ID :joystick: :airplane: :banana: :devil
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I've always had a difficult time wrapping my head around this. Say I'm in lead pursuit approaching from hi 10:00. I'm pushing for neg G's with an aim point in front of my target. My guns are set to D400. As I'm approaching D500.....I'm supposed to neutralize the stick (unload G's) and fire? Seems to me that the bandit will be passing thru the sim point before the rounds will. If I doube or triple the aim point further out, isn't that now becoming a crap shoot?
Please explain this so even a moron can grasp it :x
It depends if you want to track the bandit or set up a stream of fire for the bandit to fly through. You seem to understand already that to unload G you just increase the lead enough to time it properly. It's not a crap shoot if you use the training tools provided in the TA to learn the lead required.
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To better increase aim accuracy, perhaps it would be beneficial to reassign guns to my throttle. I recall Hitech giving that advice years ago but it didn't make sense until now. :bhead
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To better increase aim accuracy, perhaps it would be beneficial to reassign guns to my throttle. I recall Hitech giving that advice years ago but it didn't make sense until now. :bhead
Please elaborate how this helps?
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I've yet to configure my throttle but here's the theory: whether you're unloading pos or neg G's, the actual process requires a return to center axis, right? That movement, however slight, interferes with the "FIRE ALL" trigger pull of the joystick as well as aiming...with deflection or otherwise.
Does that make sense?
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Please elaborate how this helps?
Basically when you "yank" on the trigger, you have a tendency to yank on the stick there by undoing all that work you did to get into the right position, the right G load, and the right aim point.
If your trigger is assigned to the throttle you wont be bouncing your stick around as much....... in theory.
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I've yet to configure my throttle but here's the theory: whether you're unloading pos or neg G's, the actual process requires a return to center axis, right? That movement, however slight, interferes with the "FIRE ALL" trigger pull of the joystick as well as aiming...with deflection or otherwise.
Does that make sense?
You aren't necessarily returning to axis center . For gunnery you reduce G load, it doesn't have to be 0. OG is for max acceleration. Also G load with axis centered would depend on trim.
If you're disturbing the stick position with the trigger you could try a lighter grip on the stick.
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Basically when you "yank" on the trigger, you have a tendency to yank on the stick there by undoing all that work you did to get into the right position, the right G load, and the right aim point.
If your trigger is assigned to the throttle you wont be bouncing your stick around as much....... in theory.
Thanks that makes sense but I would work on my grip as mentioned first.
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You aren't necessarily returning to axis center . For gunnery you reduce G load, it doesn't have to be 0. OG is for max acceleration. Also G load with axis centered would depend on trim.
If you're disturbing the stick position with the trigger you could try a lighter grip on the stick.
So what g rate do you recommend?
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I recommend unloading to the point where your sight picture is correct. Since you are turning, you pull a bit past the aim point then ease up on the stick. If it's not a turning shot you're probably shooting at 1g and don't have to think about unloading, just the correct lead.
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To better increase aim accuracy, perhaps it would be beneficial to reassign guns to my throttle. I recall Hitech giving that advice years ago but it didn't make sense until now. :bhead
A while ago I got a VKB Gladiator and noticed the buttons are quite stiff on it, including the trigger.
My old X52, I never particularly noticed an issue with gunnery using the trigger because it was a very light spring. Moving to the VKB, I noticed a substantial improvement with my accuracy moving fire all to my throttle.
YMMV of course, and I'm sure I could figure out some kind of technique on the trigger to minimize it. However, the same as I could also use a twisty instead of my rudder pedals, I'd just rather use the thing that gets results.
I'm a big believer in it.
Wiley.