General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: fuzeman on June 20, 2023, 10:47:49 AM
Title: Titanic
Post by: fuzeman on June 20, 2023, 10:47:49 AM
I’m hoping the Titanic didn’t claim five more souls. It doesn’t even seem like they know where it is.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Nefarious on June 20, 2023, 10:58:23 AM
If the sub lost power and remained buoyant, it may be drifting. If it lost power and sank to the bottom before it reached the Titanic it may have drifted off before it reached the bottom.
Either way, It doesn't look good.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: 100Coogn on June 20, 2023, 12:44:12 PM
I'm sure all of those rich folks that bought a ticket ($250,000 each) had to sign some type of waiver. So it's all good. They will be missed, just not by me. :cheers:
Coogan
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: knorB on June 20, 2023, 02:17:11 PM
I'm sure all of those rich folks that bought a ticket ($250,000 each) had to sign some type of waiver. So it's all good. They will be missed, just not by me. :cheers:
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Eagler on June 20, 2023, 03:00:50 PM
Must be odd to be that rich...
Bored to the point of this or riding the giant weiner rocket into the sky..hoping the entire time stuff like this does not happen..
Peace to their families
Eagler
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Shuffler on June 20, 2023, 03:45:44 PM
It has several ways of becoming buoyant, even without power. The problem.... if they are on the surface, they can get out and can still run out of air. The sub can only be opened from the outside by removing 17 bolts.
If they are on the bottom, it takes about 12 hours to do a round trip when they tour the Titanic. Most of that is going down and coming up.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Devil 505 on June 20, 2023, 04:44:27 PM
Bored to the point of this or riding the giant weiner rocket into the sky..hoping the entire time stuff like this does not happen..
Peace to their families
Eagler
If I had that kind of money it's what I'd spend it on. Space and deep sea exploration are the stuff dreams are made of.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Rocco on June 20, 2023, 07:30:41 PM
I would absolutely go in to space if given the chance. Bottom of the ocean not so much.
The more I learn about the sub the more I wonder why anyone would use it, let alone billionaires. I read the whole thing is controlled by a Logitech controller. Only comms to the surface (which is their only NAV support) is through short texts. And now I find out they have no way to open the hatch from the inside? Seriously.
It's not lost on me that there are 5 ppl who could die in the next couple days, if they aren't already dead. But there is some irony to the fact that 111 years later the Titanic may claim 3 more billionaires.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Vulcan on June 20, 2023, 08:58:55 PM
They keep saying it 7 ways to get back up, sounds like a good indicator of a catastrophic failure tbh. Is SOSUS still operating? They probably picked it up.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Shuffler on June 20, 2023, 09:28:59 PM
Now I have heard the tiny view window on the sub was only certified for 1300 meters (because it was an experimental sub). That is just over 4200 ft. The window was designed by the same bunch that designed the experimental sub. They did not want to pay the cost of a window certified for the depth they were going to. After multiple dives, if that view window let loose, they would instantly die at those crushing depths (13000 ft).
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Devil 505 on June 20, 2023, 09:33:58 PM
Now I have heard the tiny view window on the sub was only certified for 1300 meters (because it was an experimental sub). That is just over 4200 ft. The window was designed by the same bunch that designed the experimental sub. They did not want to pay the cost of a window certified for the depth they were going to. After multiple dives, if that view window let loose, they would instantly die at those crushing depths (13000 ft).
That seems like such a disparity between the rated depth and useage depth, that it would have failed on the first dive if it were the case.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Shuffler on June 20, 2023, 09:40:05 PM
That seems like such a disparity between the rated depth and useage depth, that it would have failed on the first dive if it were the case.
The window may have been stronger. They would only certify it to 1300 because it was an experimental. It was said a "certified" window could be manufactured for the sub, they just did not want to pay the amount required. I imagine one certified would be to some design that has been proven.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Nefarious on June 21, 2023, 05:52:42 AM
a couple stories I read this morning seems to indicate banging noises were detected and search locations being changed because of it.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Eagler on June 21, 2023, 08:47:54 AM
Yes if you had the cash you too could do crazy things like this
I just wouldn't expect anyone but their family and friends lose sleep over it as they should have known the risks
Eagler
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 21, 2023, 10:01:27 AM
I would absolutely go in to space if given the chance. Bottom of the ocean not so much.
The more I learn about the sub the more I wonder why anyone would use it, let alone billionaires. I read the whole thing is controlled by a Logitech controller. Only comms to the surface (which is their only NAV support) is through short texts. And now I find out they have no way to open the hatch from the inside? Seriously.
It's not lost on me that there are 5 ppl who could die in the next couple days, if they aren't already dead. But there is some irony to the fact that 111 years later the Titanic may claim 3 more billionaires.
Unfortunately, the billionaires who died on the titanic weren't the billionaires we wanted to die, because they were the ones against the Banking cabal our founders had vehemently been against for centuries. Of course soon after the titanic crash, they passed the federal reserve act with their first (D) president since 1892, imo it was the great revenge of the Civil War.
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
Sorry to make this political, but those are the facts, and whether Titanic was actually a conspiracy to remove these men is up in their air. I certainly think it presented a nice opportunity to remove the opposition in an "accident".
I think this submarine accident is horrible. Probably one of the worst and scary ways to die I can think off. No way in hell I'd ever go in one of those. It's interesting I think how much publicity it is getting though. I am thinking the thing sank, since they cannot seem to find it. 13k feet is extremely deep. Crazy to think how deep that actually is.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 21, 2023, 10:53:30 AM
Here's a comment I found about it.
2 hours ago +48 / -0 I was on submarines for awhile. This was bound to happen. There is a video of their CEO saying he doesn’t hire ex submariners, because 50 year old white guys are not inspiring. That idea alone explains why this happened. Typical lefty rich guy idiocy.
The list of problems I saw in these videos is endless. Many of the talking points they use are theoretical. Its max depth is theoretical. It’s never been down to its advertised max. And you are supposed to have reserve depth. So if they claim 4K meters as max operating depth, there should be 500 meters to max crush depth. To give you a reserve. And that should be tested. They should have sent one down and see how far it can actually go before failing.
The life support was a joke and never tested. They didn’t put 5 people in that thing for 96 hours to see what happens. It’s not just a matter of oxygen. You have to scrub air, remove gases. It’s a balancing act. If you get too much oxygen, the air literally explodes into flame from any minute electrical spark. Like one of the Apollos.
It’s carbon fiber with titanium hood bonded onto it. How many times can that cycle between depths before failure? They have no idea. It’s never been done. Usually these super deep vehicles are total spheres, made of metal. This wasn’t a sphere, meaning the pressure is applied unevenly. All it takes is a dent in the carbon weave to create a weak point and it will crush like a Coke can.
They don’t have emergency transponders. This is lunacy. There should be a fail safe transponder that much be reset manually every hour or so. If someone doesn’t reset the thing, it automatically begins sending a signal that can be picked up on the surface for locating. So if the gases get diddlyed up and everyone passes out, or they lose comms and electrical, the surface ship will get an emergency signal.
They have zero contingency plans in case a sub disappears. No backup sub. No plans. Just praying the inevitable never happens. They don’t even have a contract plan with another company that has DSRV, to establish some sort of within 24 hour response time. Anything. Any kind of plan on what to do when a sub disappears.
Apparently they lost comms all the time. This wasn’t solved. Why? That’s lunacy as well. If you can’t rely on your comms, when bad toejam does happen, people are just gonna assume the best. It’s gonna cost you an entire day of rescue time because the people up top are gonna assume it’s just bad comms. Not an emergency. There are plenty of ways to keep comms going. If the system they had didn’t work, they should have spent the money to get one that does.
They lost comms 90 minutes in as the sub reached the bottom. I’m assuming it suffered catastrophic hull failure and everyone was vaporized instantly. They will struggle to ever find this thing. It’s tiny, made of carbon that isn’t a great reflector of sound waves, and it’s almost 3 miles down in the endless chasm of deep ocean.
Now they will pass regulations for these things. Regulations the Navy already learned from the Thresher and Scorpion. That’s why you hire sub veterans. Because we already paid the price in blood. It’s always the same for humans. We never learn. We always think we are smarter than the other guy. This fancy carbon fiber shiny vehicle built by college students.
Regulations are always written in blood. It never changes.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: 100Coogn on June 21, 2023, 11:41:37 AM
The submersible imploded upon descent, causing the loss of contact. Pretty easy to put together. Probably that cheap window they put in there. (not a certified window btw). Fish food now.
Coogan
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Shuffler on June 21, 2023, 12:43:40 PM
2 hours ago +48 / -0 I was on submarines for awhile. This was bound to happen. There is a video of their CEO saying he doesn’t hire ex submariners, because 50 year old white guys are not inspiring. That idea alone explains why this happened. Typical lefty rich guy idiocy.
The list of problems I saw in these videos is endless. Many of the talking points they use are theoretical. Its max depth is theoretical. It’s never been down to its advertised max. And you are supposed to have reserve depth. So if they claim 4K meters as max operating depth, there should be 500 meters to max crush depth. To give you a reserve. And that should be tested. They should have sent one down and see how far it can actually go before failing.
The life support was a joke and never tested. They didn’t put 5 people in that thing for 96 hours to see what happens. It’s not just a matter of oxygen. You have to scrub air, remove gases. It’s a balancing act. If you get too much oxygen, the air literally explodes into flame from any minute electrical spark. Like one of the Apollos.
It’s carbon fiber with titanium hood bonded onto it. How many times can that cycle between depths before failure? They have no idea. It’s never been done. Usually these super deep vehicles are total spheres, made of metal. This wasn’t a sphere, meaning the pressure is applied unevenly. All it takes is a dent in the carbon weave to create a weak point and it will crush like a Coke can.
They don’t have emergency transponders. This is lunacy. There should be a fail safe transponder that much be reset manually every hour or so. If someone doesn’t reset the thing, it automatically begins sending a signal that can be picked up on the surface for locating. So if the gases get diddlyed up and everyone passes out, or they lose comms and electrical, the surface ship will get an emergency signal.
They have zero contingency plans in case a sub disappears. No backup sub. No plans. Just praying the inevitable never happens. They don’t even have a contract plan with another company that has DSRV, to establish some sort of within 24 hour response time. Anything. Any kind of plan on what to do when a sub disappears.
Apparently they lost comms all the time. This wasn’t solved. Why? That’s lunacy as well. If you can’t rely on your comms, when bad toejam does happen, people are just gonna assume the best. It’s gonna cost you an entire day of rescue time because the people up top are gonna assume it’s just bad comms. Not an emergency. There are plenty of ways to keep comms going. If the system they had didn’t work, they should have spent the money to get one that does.
They lost comms 90 minutes in as the sub reached the bottom. I’m assuming it suffered catastrophic hull failure and everyone was vaporized instantly. They will struggle to ever find this thing. It’s tiny, made of carbon that isn’t a great reflector of sound waves, and it’s almost 3 miles down in the endless chasm of deep ocean.
Now they will pass regulations for these things. Regulations the Navy already learned from the Thresher and Scorpion. That’s why you hire sub veterans. Because we already paid the price in blood. It’s always the same for humans. We never learn. We always think we are smarter than the other guy. This fancy carbon fiber shiny vehicle built by college students.
Regulations are always written in blood. It never changes.
I was about to post this very thing in bold above. That CEO is on board the vessel now. I wonder if he has any second thoughts. That is if he is still alive.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Chris79 on June 21, 2023, 03:06:21 PM
2 hours ago +48 / -0 I was on submarines for awhile. This was bound to happen. There is a video of their CEO saying he doesn’t hire ex submariners, because 50 year old white guys are not inspiring. That idea alone explains why this happened. Typical lefty rich guy idiocy.
The list of problems I saw in these videos is endless. Many of the talking points they use are theoretical. Its max depth is theoretical. It’s never been down to its advertised max. And you are supposed to have reserve depth. So if they claim 4K meters as max operating depth, there should be 500 meters to max crush depth. To give you a reserve. And that should be tested. They should have sent one down and see how far it can actually go before failing.
The life support was a joke and never tested. They didn’t put 5 people in that thing for 96 hours to see what happens. It’s not just a matter of oxygen. You have to scrub air, remove gases. It’s a balancing act. If you get too much oxygen, the air literally explodes into flame from any minute electrical spark. Like one of the Apollos.
It’s carbon fiber with titanium hood bonded onto it. How many times can that cycle between depths before failure? They have no idea. It’s never been done. Usually these super deep vehicles are total spheres, made of metal. This wasn’t a sphere, meaning the pressure is applied unevenly. All it takes is a dent in the carbon weave to create a weak point and it will crush like a Coke can.
They don’t have emergency transponders. This is lunacy. There should be a fail safe transponder that much be reset manually every hour or so. If someone doesn’t reset the thing, it automatically begins sending a signal that can be picked up on the surface for locating. So if the gases get diddlyed up and everyone passes out, or they lose comms and electrical, the surface ship will get an emergency signal.
They have zero contingency plans in case a sub disappears. No backup sub. No plans. Just praying the inevitable never happens. They don’t even have a contract plan with another company that has DSRV, to establish some sort of within 24 hour response time. Anything. Any kind of plan on what to do when a sub disappears.
Apparently they lost comms all the time. This wasn’t solved. Why? That’s lunacy as well. If you can’t rely on your comms, when bad toejam does happen, people are just gonna assume the best. It’s gonna cost you an entire day of rescue time because the people up top are gonna assume it’s just bad comms. Not an emergency. There are plenty of ways to keep comms going. If the system they had didn’t work, they should have spent the money to get one that does.
They lost comms 90 minutes in as the sub reached the bottom. I’m assuming it suffered catastrophic hull failure and everyone was vaporized instantly. They will struggle to ever find this thing. It’s tiny, made of carbon that isn’t a great reflector of sound waves, and it’s almost 3 miles down in the endless chasm of deep ocean.
Now they will pass regulations for these things. Regulations the Navy already learned from the Thresher and Scorpion. That’s why you hire sub veterans. Because we already paid the price in blood. It’s always the same for humans. We never learn. We always think we are smarter than the other guy. This fancy carbon fiber shiny vehicle built by college students.
Regulations are always written in blood. It never changes.
I bet that CEO wish he had a senior chief as a consultant.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Meatwad on June 21, 2023, 08:32:10 PM
2 hours ago +48 / -0 I was on submarines for awhile. This was bound to happen. There is a video of their CEO saying he doesn’t hire ex submariners, because 50 year old white guys are not inspiring. That idea alone explains why this happened. Typical lefty rich guy idiocy.
The list of problems I saw in these videos is endless. Many of the talking points they use are theoretical. Its max depth is theoretical. It’s never been down to its advertised max. And you are supposed to have reserve depth. So if they claim 4K meters as max operating depth, there should be 500 meters to max crush depth. To give you a reserve. And that should be tested. They should have sent one down and see how far it can actually go before failing.
The life support was a joke and never tested. They didn’t put 5 people in that thing for 96 hours to see what happens. It’s not just a matter of oxygen. You have to scrub air, remove gases. It’s a balancing act. If you get too much oxygen, the air literally explodes into flame from any minute electrical spark. Like one of the Apollos.
It’s carbon fiber with titanium hood bonded onto it. How many times can that cycle between depths before failure? They have no idea. It’s never been done. Usually these super deep vehicles are total spheres, made of metal. This wasn’t a sphere, meaning the pressure is applied unevenly. All it takes is a dent in the carbon weave to create a weak point and it will crush like a Coke can.
They don’t have emergency transponders. This is lunacy. There should be a fail safe transponder that much be reset manually every hour or so. If someone doesn’t reset the thing, it automatically begins sending a signal that can be picked up on the surface for locating. So if the gases get diddlyed up and everyone passes out, or they lose comms and electrical, the surface ship will get an emergency signal.
They have zero contingency plans in case a sub disappears. No backup sub. No plans. Just praying the inevitable never happens. They don’t even have a contract plan with another company that has DSRV, to establish some sort of within 24 hour response time. Anything. Any kind of plan on what to do when a sub disappears.
Apparently they lost comms all the time. This wasn’t solved. Why? That’s lunacy as well. If you can’t rely on your comms, when bad toejam does happen, people are just gonna assume the best. It’s gonna cost you an entire day of rescue time because the people up top are gonna assume it’s just bad comms. Not an emergency. There are plenty of ways to keep comms going. If the system they had didn’t work, they should have spent the money to get one that does.
They lost comms 90 minutes in as the sub reached the bottom. I’m assuming it suffered catastrophic hull failure and everyone was vaporized instantly. They will struggle to ever find this thing. It’s tiny, made of carbon that isn’t a great reflector of sound waves, and it’s almost 3 miles down in the endless chasm of deep ocean.
Now they will pass regulations for these things. Regulations the Navy already learned from the Thresher and Scorpion. That’s why you hire sub veterans. Because we already paid the price in blood. It’s always the same for humans. We never learn. We always think we are smarter than the other guy. This fancy carbon fiber shiny vehicle built by college students.
Regulations are always written in blood. It never changes.
If that is true, then it sounds like the gene pool just got a little cleaner. Hope that CEO had a little "accident" also
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Dichotomy on June 22, 2023, 07:12:26 AM
Debris field found on ocean floor near the Titanic. Believed to be the Titan... :joystick:
Coogan
Honestly, that was what I was expecting for them to find. Depths like those they were entering are very unforgiving, and the slightest flaw becomes catastrophic before the crew even has a chance to react.
Condolences to the family and friends of those onboard.
:salute
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: 100Coogn on June 22, 2023, 12:59:45 PM
Honestly, that was what I was expecting for them to find. Depths like those they were entering are very unforgiving, and the slightest flaw becomes catastrophic before the crew even has a chance to react.
Condolences to the family and friends of those onboard.
:salute
Indeed. :salute
Coogan
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 22, 2023, 02:24:07 PM
Interesting that CBS had a story in Nov 2022 on Oceangate and their trip to the Titanic. Apparently this wasn't their first trip?
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Devil 505 on June 22, 2023, 03:18:37 PM
That the strange thing about all the news I've been reading/watching about this incident. Nothing was ever stated about it being a maiden voyage for the Titan, nor were previous successful dives to RMS Titanic mentioned - just the 3000 meter test dive. The actual dive history of the sub is incredibly vague.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Arlo on June 22, 2023, 03:21:59 PM
Material fatigue?
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: fuzeman on June 22, 2023, 06:21:06 PM
It’s being reported US did detect an implosion about the time communications were lost. The tail cone was found about 600 yards off the bow.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 22, 2023, 10:07:04 PM
Yeah, it's more and more clear to me by how much the media is covering this, that this is a "look here but don't look there" distraction, given all the other events that happened this week that are way more important to the American public, and are surely detrimental to the larger powers. This story is taking a lot of air time and isn't really "big news". My spidy senses are tingling about the timing of this and the amount of air time it's getting muffeling out the more important news.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: CptTrips on June 23, 2023, 08:26:03 AM
Yeah, it's more and more clear to me by how much the media is covering this, that this is a "look here but don't look there" distraction, given all the other events that happened this week that are way more important to the American public, and are surely detrimental to the larger powers. This story is taking a lot of air time and isn't really "big news". My spidy senses are tingling about the timing of this and the amount of air time it's getting muffeling out the more important news.
:rolleyes:
It's a conspiracy. Imagine that. Maybe even the guys in the sub were in on it? Maybe there never was a sub? Do you personally know any of those people exist? Maybe it was an inside job? Were there any chem-trials over the site at the time? An Italian satellite overhead at the time? Maybe someone on the sub had dirt on someone important?
Maybe. Just maybe. Do your own research.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 23, 2023, 08:36:54 AM
It's a conspiracy. Imagine that. Maybe even the guys in the sub were in on it? Maybe there never was a sub? Do you personally know any of those people exist? Maybe it was an inside job? Were there any chem-trials over the site at the time? An Italian satellite overhead at the time? Maybe someone on the sub had dirt on someone important?
Maybe. Just maybe. Do your own research.
The amount of media this is getting for something that's not really that big of a story speaks volumes. Not saying it didn't happen. Just that it's a great excuse to use as a distraction for this week's more important news stories that they would rather not have that much attention on.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Arlo on June 23, 2023, 08:51:36 AM
You should have stayed in Mallorca longer. :cool:
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: CptTrips on June 23, 2023, 08:55:08 AM
The amount of media this is getting for something that's not really that big of a story speaks volumes. Not saying it didn't happen. Just that it's a great excuse to use as a distraction for this week's more important news stories that they would rather not have that much attention on.
Same thing with that Malaysian airliner that vanished.
Or the soccer team trapped in the cave in Thailand.
It's not a conspiracy as much as you enjoy them. It is simply human nature. People are interested in the topic.
You've posted in this topic. It must be interesting to you. Why would you expect other people to not be interested?
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 23, 2023, 09:05:22 AM
Same thing with that Malaysian airliner that vanished.
Or the soccer team trapped in the cave in Thailand.
It's not a conspiracy as much as you enjoy them. It is simply human nature. People are interested in the topic.
You've posted in this topic. It must be interesting to you. Why would you expect other people to not be interested?
They are interested because the media is shoving it down everyone's throats. Even Fox News shows were giving this story like 30 minutes to the hour. Not to mention, they already knew the damn thing blew up, but kept the suspense going for 3 days long enough to muffle the real news stories and testimonials this week. Sure is convenient. Just saying.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: guncrasher on June 23, 2023, 09:14:38 AM
They are interested because the media is shoving it down everyone's throats. Even Fox News shows were giving this story like 30 minutes to the hour. Not to mention, they already knew the damn thing blew up, but kept the suspense going for 3 days long enough to muffle the real news stories and testimonials this week. Sure is convenient. Just saying.
can you post a story that is being ignored?
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: CptTrips on June 23, 2023, 09:25:01 AM
They are interested because the media is shoving it down everyone's throats. Even Fox News shows were giving this story like 30 minutes to the hour. Not to mention, they already knew the damn thing blew up, but kept the suspense going for 3 days long enough to muffle the real news stories and testimonials this week. Sure is convenient. Just saying.
If it failed to get them views, they would stop in a second.
If they stopped too soon, viewers would switch to the other channel to see the latest on those rich people, trapped in complete darkness, crammed together in a tiny tin can, slowly running out of oxygen, banging on the hull hoping someone would hear them. (Or at least people were thinking at the time.) Of course that is a human interest story.
There is no conspiracy. They are trying to make money by attracting views to things that people are interested in (at the moment).
That's Capitalism. They are filling a market desire. You're for Capitalism, right?
Now, I think the coverage is a bit much. Not as bad as the Malaysian airliner story, but I quickly lost interest. However, all I see is media grasping for views to make money on advertising. Not some vast Reptilian Illuminati conspiracy.
I get it, dude. Conspiracies are a lot more fun. Real or not.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 23, 2023, 10:01:28 AM
If it failed to get them views, they would stop in a second.
If they stopped too soon, viewers would switch to the other channel to see the latest on those rich people, trapped in complete darkness, crammed together in a tiny tin can, slowly running out of oxygen, banging on the hull hoping someone would hear them. (Or at least people were thinking at the time.) Of course that is a human interest story.
There is no conspiracy. They are trying to make money by attracting views to things that people are interested in (at the moment).
That's Capitalism. They are filling a market desire. You're for Capitalism, right?
Now, I think the coverage is a bit much. Not as bad as the Malaysian airliner story, but I quickly lost interest. However, all I see is media grasping for views to make money on advertising. Not some vast Reptilian Illuminati conspiracy.
I get it, dude. Conspiracies are a lot more fun. Real or not.
Rich people trapped was a lie. They died instantly after 2 hours and it should have been known based on the Navy reports. Instead, once again they played peoples emotions. Capitalism? sure. MSM over playing to muffle more serius news that embarrassed the intellegnece agencies and their corruption, absolutely. No one would even know about this event if the media wasn't all over it. Another shiny object to dangle infront of the masses. Then you throw in all the "poorly made" BS, and you have all of these people digging deeper into "why". It's a great distraction during a very important week in Washington, that's all I'm saying. It's not a conspiracy, it's just the truth.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on June 23, 2023, 10:13:12 AM
The truth is somewhere in between.
Is the mainstream malignancy on a quest for profits? Sure.
Is the mainstream malignancy also directing the attention of the masses where they and their cohorts want it? Of course.
Does the mainstream malignancy support a specific agenda, and attempt to drive the masses toward it? Absolutely.
Is the mainstream malignancy using certain news stories as a distraction from other things? Certainly.
Is there profit for the mainstream malignancy in manipulating the masses, as an added bonus? No doubt.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Meatwad on June 23, 2023, 10:52:18 AM
At least the corrupt CEO went down with the ship
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: CptTrips on June 23, 2023, 11:02:41 AM
Are you saying the media is intentionally giving this story more weight to avoid covering other issues for political reasons?
That is a conspiracy. You are claiming a conspiracy to use this event as concealment. That their coverage is politically motivated and not because people find the story interesting (for a while).
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on June 23, 2023, 11:42:21 AM
Are you saying the media is intentionally giving this story more weight to avoid covering other issues for political reasons?
That is a conspiracy. You are claiming a conspiracy to use this event as concealment. That their coverage is politically motivated and not because people find the story interesting (for a while).
If you want to call it a "conspiracy".
It should be readily apparent to anyone paying attention that the mainstream malignancy has a very obvious agenda. One need only look at the amount of coverage given to both sides of any significant story. Or to how any number of stories are "reported" and/or "portrayed". That the mainstream malignancy is gleefully willing to pass on covering certain stories that do not suit their agenda, and to fluff stories that distract from things contrary to their agenda, is no secret. Even the Founding Fathers commented on that 200-240 years ago.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: CptTrips on June 23, 2023, 11:50:41 AM
It should be readily apparent to anyone paying attention that the mainstream malignancy has a very obvious agenda. One need only look at the amount of coverage given to both sides of any significant story. Or to how any number of stories are "reported" and/or "portrayed". That the mainstream malignancy is gleefully willing to pass on covering certain stories that do not suit their agenda, and to fluff stories that distract from things contrary to their agenda, is no secret. Even the Founding Fathers commented on that 200-240 years ago.
So you are saying that every media platform including FOX NEWS has all decided to excessively cover this, not because it is getting them views, but as part of a multi-corporation conspiracy to hide <insert random fever dream>?
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 23, 2023, 12:18:27 PM
So you are saying that every media platform including FOX NEWS has all decided to excessively cover this, not because it is getting them views, but as part of a multi-corporation conspiracy to hide <insert random fever dream>?
If it was someone else's son pleading guilty with IRS whistle-blower testimony on top of it, along with testimony from a major prosecutor investigating someone else, you can bet this sub story be a side story on yahoo news with 1 possible 5 minute segment from MSM. Yes, they are all incahoots because they serve the intelligence agencies, not the American people.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: CptTrips on June 23, 2023, 12:24:13 PM
There was a line from a movie, "Some men, can't be reached."
There are hoof prints in the dust.
Some men think...horses.
Other men think...unicorns or maybe centaurs!
Because the latter is more fun.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 23, 2023, 12:38:05 PM
You are a perfect example of the systemic approach from counter intellegence at attempting to discredit critical thinkers to maintain the programed agenda in order to keep the masses "inline" with the narrative. That grip is slipping because more and more are realizing that news media works through narrative, rather than "investigational" research and journalism. That is why your sites like YouTube had to ban thousands of accounts in order to "Maintain the narrative". Which has ultimately shot youtube in the foot and why they now have to play 2 damn commercials every 5 minutes to maintain revenue..pretty soon it will be 3 commercials, then 5, and then people just aren't going to go there anymore. This is exactly what is happening to your counter intelligence approach to discrediting.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: CptTrips on June 23, 2023, 12:40:26 PM
You are a perfect example of the systemic approach from counter intellegence at attempting to discredit critical thinkers to maintain the programed agenda in order to keep the masses "inline" with the narrative. That grip is slipping because more and more are realizing that news media works through narrative, rather than "investigational" research and journalism. That is why your sites like YouTube had to ban thousands of accounts in order to "Maintain the narrative". Which has ultimately shot youtube in the foot and why they now have to play 2 damn commercials every 5 minutes to maintain revenue..pretty soon it will be 3 commercials, then 5, and then people just aren't going to go there anymore. This is exactly what is happening to your counter intelligence approach to discrediting.
I could describe your would view in a lot of ways, DmonSlyr. The phrase, "critical thinking" wouldn't be in the text.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: 100Coogn on June 23, 2023, 12:50:17 PM
I could describe your would view in a lot of ways, DmonSlyr. The phrase, "critical thinking" wouldn't be in the text.
You couldn't, because based on the things you've already stated that you think I believe, have been flawed and conclusional, which isnt representive of my actual view on the world. You seem to think I must believe every thing your idea of the "movement" from the view of your counter intellegence agenda wants you to think I believe. That is infact incorrect thinking and is again, part of the counter intellegence agenda to discredit an entire group rather than view them as individuals coming to conclusions on their own. This is infact an easy way for counter intellegence to group label and discredit anyone within this group regardless of their individual opinions, so that they can attempt to discredit an entire movement in order to push their agenda and narrative to the so called "normal people" aka, people who don't have time or will to deep research topics.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: CptTrips on June 23, 2023, 01:02:10 PM
The thread is sinking quicker than the Titanic. :confused:
I'm just posting my opinion on the situation. He wants to attack that opinion due to what ever narrative he wants to protect. He doesn't have to reply or attack my opinion. He can post his own opinion. The attack on my opinion presumes that he feels threatened that ive exposed the real reason this is getting so much attention in the media despite other more important news worthy events this week. This in my opinion concludes that it probably is a distraction since he feels threatened that I've exposed it as as a distraction. :D
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: CptTrips on June 23, 2023, 01:24:54 PM
I attack your opinion, because your opinion is always whack-job, QANON silliness.
You always see unicorns, when horses is probably the more likely answer.
:rolleyes: :rofl: Don't blame me for counter intellegence ruining their own trust in society, especially over the last 10 years. Their disgrace and embarrassment of the US is what created people like me. There is nothing they can do now as more people awaken to their schemes and manipulation. I'll call it like I see it so that more people may have the ability to wake up from their idiotic and currupt agenda.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: guncrasher on June 23, 2023, 03:36:34 PM
Debating with him is likely more frustrating for you than it is for him.
FK off idiot.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: icepac on June 23, 2023, 04:45:22 PM
Did this pressure vessel ever get below freezing?……perhaps while stored for the winter? If there were any voids that had water pushed into them, there would be no problems UNLESS that water were to freeze.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: GasTeddy on June 23, 2023, 04:52:31 PM
Not any more. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyDyOweu-PA)
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Meatwad on June 23, 2023, 04:59:23 PM
Here is a conspiracy theory just for fun
One of the members of the sub had inside info that would finally take down the clinton crime family for good and was planning to release the info after the excursion, so the sub was "sank" to prevent certain people in power from getting jailed for life
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Bopgun on June 23, 2023, 11:29:49 PM
The thread is sinking quicker than the Titanic. :confused:
Implosion is inevitable! All the experts say!
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: fuzeman on June 24, 2023, 04:37:27 AM
Another thread turned into a pissing contest.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: LCADolby on June 24, 2023, 06:18:43 AM
The US government announced 3 odd billion for Military shizz is missing then this Titanic nonsense has been needlessly overpowering other stories in the media..
Last time a few Trillion went missing the next day some plane hit some towers.
:banana:
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Eagler on June 24, 2023, 07:24:30 AM
Read where the aunt said the 19 year old kid was terrified of the sub trip..
But ole dad had more money than brains..
Eagler
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Eagler on June 24, 2023, 07:28:41 AM
The US government announced 3 odd billion for Military shizz is missing then this Titanic nonsense has been needlessly overpowering other stories in the media..
Last time a few Trillion went missing the next day some plane hit some towers.